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| Started by | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| First post | 2026-04-30 07:50 +0000 |
| Last post | 2026-05-05 01:09 +0000 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 487 — 21 participants |
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Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-04-30 07:50 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2026-04-30 12:29 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-04-30 17:29 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-04-30 09:53 -0700
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-04-30 18:02 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-04-30 10:15 -0700
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-04-30 22:26 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-05-01 13:56 -0700
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-01 22:41 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-05-01 15:54 -0700
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-01 23:07 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-05-04 08:32 -0700
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-04 23:40 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-05-04 15:20 -0700
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-04 23:52 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-05-05 08:12 -0700
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-05-05 15:57 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-05-05 09:10 -0700
Re: Wayland Makes Progress cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-05-05 18:14 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-06 17:41 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-05 21:52 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-05-05 15:26 -0700
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-06 04:11 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-05-06 08:43 -0700
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-05-06 16:30 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-06 21:13 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-06 22:06 -0400
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-05-07 03:49 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-07 16:37 -0400
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-07 13:06 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-05-07 18:35 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-07 21:30 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-08 12:54 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-08 19:07 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-08 21:58 -0400
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-09 03:31 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-09 00:48 -0400
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-09 07:44 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-09 13:46 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-09 16:42 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-09 22:02 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-09 23:38 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-10 19:31 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-15 13:55 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-15 17:04 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-24 07:01 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-24 09:54 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-24 09:30 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-24 10:46 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-24 17:39 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-24 17:33 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-25 01:47 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-25 11:42 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-25 12:57 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-05-26 08:28 -0700
Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-26 17:43 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-05-26 23:02 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-27 07:49 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-27 08:34 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-27 11:03 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-05-27 12:20 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-27 22:53 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-28 02:54 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-29 00:04 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-05-28 23:55 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-29 02:06 -0400
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-29 01:19 +0000
TV scripts and their computation by machine (was: Re: Wayland Makes Progress) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-29 09:29 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-05-28 15:45 -0700
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-29 09:11 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-27 14:05 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-27 14:29 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-05-27 18:28 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-27 21:36 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-27 18:44 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-27 23:53 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-28 07:37 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-28 09:07 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-28 13:37 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-09 23:39 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-10 20:09 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-11 03:19 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-11 01:03 -0400
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-11 06:05 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-11 11:35 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-11 16:38 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-11 20:21 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-05-11 09:10 -0700
Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-11 19:42 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 01:58 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-12 12:18 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 15:43 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-12 18:27 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-13 03:17 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-13 13:08 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-05-12 10:34 -0700
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-13 03:22 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-11 12:13 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-11 16:11 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-11 11:20 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-11 15:45 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-11 19:48 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 01:43 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-12 12:26 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 22:15 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-12 02:57 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-09 13:42 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-09 16:35 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-09 22:04 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-09 12:47 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-09 12:15 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-09 17:26 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-10 01:04 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-10 12:33 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-10 23:12 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-11 13:12 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-11 14:45 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-11 16:05 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-11 17:37 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 02:35 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-11 23:42 -0400
Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-12 12:31 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 16:27 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-13 10:41 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-13 16:12 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-12 20:46 -0400
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-13 03:55 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-05-12 21:44 -0700
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-13 17:09 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-05-13 19:47 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-14 10:25 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-05-14 18:38 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-13 12:34 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-13 17:10 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-05-13 21:34 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-14 10:26 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-14 12:43 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-14 11:54 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-05-14 18:38 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-14 22:33 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-05-14 23:28 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-15 04:36 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-05-15 04:58 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-05-15 08:01 -0700
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-15 17:20 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-05-15 11:21 -0700
Re: Wayland Makes Progress c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-15 02:37 -0400
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-15 17:17 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-17 05:25 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-14 17:08 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-13 12:27 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-13 17:36 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-12 14:18 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-12 14:22 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-12 20:41 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-13 12:21 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-13 16:04 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-12 13:24 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-12 15:10 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-05-12 08:54 -0700
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 16:29 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 16:23 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-12 14:16 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 16:36 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-05-12 09:51 -0700
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-13 03:52 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-05-12 19:55 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-13 03:45 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-05-11 09:46 -0700
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-11 18:09 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 02:55 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-11 23:46 -0400
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-12 14:25 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 16:07 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 16:00 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-05-11 20:58 -0700
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-12 14:27 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-12 14:24 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-11 21:05 -0400
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-12 13:19 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-12 15:04 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-12 18:39 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-05-12 10:44 -0700
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-13 04:28 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-05-12 21:50 -0700
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-13 12:10 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-13 16:22 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-13 11:49 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-13 16:59 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-13 11:34 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-13 04:23 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-13 12:14 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-13 11:23 +0100
Peoples [Was: Wayland Makes Progress] "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-13 13:34 +0200
Re: Peoples [Was: Wayland Makes Progress] Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-05-15 20:17 +0000
Re: Peoples [Was: Wayland Makes Progress] "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-15 22:28 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-16 08:17 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-17 00:02 -0400
Pre-history (was Re: Wayland Makes Progress) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-05-18 15:56 -0700
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-13 13:21 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-13 14:43 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-14 12:55 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-14 14:19 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-14 16:51 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-14 23:08 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-14 22:35 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-14 23:39 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-15 14:04 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-16 12:45 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-16 20:46 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-13 15:49 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-05-13 09:10 -0700
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-29 07:33 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-11 22:54 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 03:24 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-12 14:31 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 16:39 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-13 10:55 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-12 13:18 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-12 14:51 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 15:50 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-28 07:17 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-05-12 08:23 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-12 14:38 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-11 12:04 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-07 21:29 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-05-09 10:18 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-09 13:49 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-05-10 13:00 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-05-09 20:46 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-10 01:06 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-05-10 13:08 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-09 23:33 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-08 21:45 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-05-08 15:23 -0700
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-09 03:42 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-06 01:35 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-06 17:49 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-06 19:05 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-07 12:59 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-07 16:55 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-07 21:32 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-08 12:56 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-05-08 18:05 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-05-08 13:01 -0700
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-08 21:41 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-09 14:03 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-05-09 15:46 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-09 16:56 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-09 18:04 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-09 16:51 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-09 18:40 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-05-10 16:50 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-10 22:46 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-05-15 19:58 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-15 21:23 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-05-15 21:08 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-05-17 08:01 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-17 03:35 -0400
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-17 10:31 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-05-17 11:11 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-17 14:52 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-17 16:35 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-17 21:00 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-22 06:51 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-05-22 11:04 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-22 22:38 -0400
Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-05-23 09:19 +0200
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-23 09:22 +0100
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-05-23 14:04 +0200
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-23 14:04 +0100
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-05-23 19:43 +0200
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-24 09:27 +0100
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-24 10:49 +0200
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-05-24 12:09 +0200
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-05-23 13:26 +0000
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-23 15:22 +0100
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-05-23 14:26 +0000
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-24 10:00 +0200
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-23 17:01 +0100
Moving sshd to a different port (Was: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress)) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2026-05-23 16:28 +0000
Re: Moving sshd to a different port (Was: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress)) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-23 17:43 +0100
Re: Moving sshd to a different port (Was: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress)) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-24 01:06 -0400
Re: Moving sshd to a different port (Was: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress)) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2026-05-24 05:36 +0000
Re: Moving sshd to a different port (Was: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress)) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-24 02:45 -0400
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-05-23 19:44 +0200
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-23 14:57 +0200
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-23 16:53 +0000
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-24 12:20 +0100
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-05-23 19:46 +0200
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-24 10:08 +0200
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-05-24 10:32 +0200
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-24 10:50 +0200
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-24 21:57 -0400
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-05-24 08:54 +1000
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-05-24 10:33 +0200
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-24 11:26 +0100
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-05-24 17:04 +0000
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-05-24 20:00 +0200
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-24 22:23 +0200
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-05-25 08:09 +1000
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-05-25 07:34 +0200
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-25 06:18 +0000
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-05-25 10:29 +0200
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-25 21:54 +0000
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-05-25 07:25 +0100
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-25 06:45 +0000
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-25 08:38 +0100
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-05-25 10:50 +0100
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-05-25 10:35 +0200
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-05-25 10:54 +0100
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-25 13:41 +0200
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-05-26 09:14 +1000
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> - 2026-05-25 18:01 +1000
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-25 11:54 +0200
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-25 11:48 +0200
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-05-25 11:04 +0100
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-25 13:44 +0200
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-26 00:46 +0000
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-05-27 12:38 +0100
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-27 22:47 +0000
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-25 06:17 +0000
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-05-25 10:35 +0200
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-24 17:54 +0000
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-24 06:58 +0000
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-05-24 10:36 +0200
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-25 04:13 +0000
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (was: title without w in "was:"?) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-24 11:29 +0100
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-05-24 17:04 +0000
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-24 17:47 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-23 14:47 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-10 00:28 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-02 10:25 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-05-04 09:43 -0700
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-05-01 15:32 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-05-01 22:21 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-05-01 20:36 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-01 22:37 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-01 23:40 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-05-02 09:07 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-05-02 12:32 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-05-02 12:29 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-05-02 20:22 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-02 23:27 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-01 23:39 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-03 09:20 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-04-30 14:39 -0400
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-05-01 15:29 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-05-01 09:30 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-01 13:36 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-01 22:36 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-02 12:43 +0200
VMware (Was: Wayland Makes Progress) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2026-05-02 10:53 +0000
Re: VMware (Was: Wayland Makes Progress) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-02 13:14 +0200
Re: VMware (Was: Wayland Makes Progress) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-02 13:29 +0000
Re: VMware (Was: Wayland Makes Progress) Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-05-02 13:39 +0200
Re: VMware (Was: Wayland Makes Progress) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2026-05-02 11:52 +0000
Re: VMware (Was: Wayland Makes Progress) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-02 13:32 +0000
Re: VMware (Was: Wayland Makes Progress) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-02 15:09 +0100
Re: VMware (Was: Wayland Makes Progress) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-02 18:29 +0000
Re: VMware (Was: Wayland Makes Progress) Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-05-02 19:15 +0200
Re: VMware (Was: Wayland Makes Progress) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-02 20:25 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-03 12:34 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-03 13:50 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-03 22:03 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-04 12:51 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-05-04 19:35 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-07 12:56 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-07 16:53 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-05-07 17:39 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-07 20:10 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-08 13:04 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-08 14:27 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-08 19:05 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-09 14:01 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-09 15:15 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-09 16:24 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-05-09 14:44 -0700
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-09 23:08 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-10 00:30 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-05-10 13:04 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-08 21:53 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-05-08 15:13 -0700
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-09 13:55 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-05-09 15:52 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-10 13:10 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-05-10 18:46 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-11 13:38 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-05-11 17:46 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-11 18:57 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-11 20:07 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-15 09:10 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 02:04 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-11 22:49 -0400
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 16:38 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-12 12:34 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-10 23:30 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-11 13:30 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-11 16:56 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-05-11 22:38 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 02:25 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-05-12 08:02 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-12 02:24 -0400
Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-12 12:53 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 17:09 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 17:06 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 22:54 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-13 13:39 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-13 12:58 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-13 16:03 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-13 22:54 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-13 15:56 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-13 13:13 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-12 12:51 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-16 08:20 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-16 20:24 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-11 22:30 -0400
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 16:44 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-13 12:15 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-13 16:16 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-11 23:01 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 02:11 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-05-11 19:58 -0700
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 16:53 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-12 12:56 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-12 12:44 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-12 14:40 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 16:49 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-05-12 08:06 -0700
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-13 10:34 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 16:47 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-12 12:40 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-09 17:03 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-10 00:33 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-10 13:01 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-10 23:21 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-11 13:52 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-05-08 09:23 +1000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-05-09 10:02 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-09 12:58 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-09 17:14 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-05-09 20:46 +0000
Dump Truck (Was: Wayland Makes Progress) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2026-05-09 21:30 +0000
Re: Dump Truck (Was: Wayland Makes Progress) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-10 00:58 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-05-09 14:38 -0700
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-09 23:12 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-05-09 16:22 -0700
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-05-09 23:33 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-10 01:02 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-05-10 17:40 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-11 12:11 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-11 15:52 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-05-11 09:22 -0700
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 03:51 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-05-11 21:14 -0700
Re: Wayland Makes Progress c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-12 01:14 -0400
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 16:58 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-12 00:36 -0400
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 17:03 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-11 12:40 -0400
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 03:27 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-05-09 17:02 -0700
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-10 01:00 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-10 00:57 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-05-10 17:40 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-10 22:54 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-11 12:12 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-11 15:55 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-05-11 09:32 -0700
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-11 17:46 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-11 21:50 -0400
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-12 14:12 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 03:23 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 03:16 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-05-11 21:23 -0700
Re: Wayland Makes Progress c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-12 01:23 -0400
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-12 14:29 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 16:41 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-10 23:16 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-05-09 14:35 -0700
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-09 23:52 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-10 01:08 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-05-10 13:33 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-10 23:15 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-04 23:57 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-07 12:50 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-05 01:09 +0000
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-05-05 21:52 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10tdork$oc5h$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #86147 |
On Tue, 5 May 2026 08:12:30 -0700, John Ames wrote: > So, re-implementing a window manager within the confines of a window > - one which would have no relation to the user's actual, preferred > window manager ... Strange. I thought you said that Wayland would only account for some small minority of KiCad users. Now you’re describing it as “the user’s actual, preferred window manager” ... Worth mentioning that apps like Photoshop and GIMP used to have that same kind of multiwindow interface, before they switched to the current single-window interface. Inkscape also does the same. And as you know, Blender has always had its own internal “window manager” operating within a single application window, as an important part of being able to define multiple custom “workspaces” within a document, and switch quickly between them. Maybe the KiCad folk should see the writing in the wall ... ?
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| From | John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-05-05 15:26 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <20260505152642.000071fd@gmail.com> |
| In reply to | #86155 |
On Tue, 5 May 2026 21:52:52 -0000 (UTC) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: > Strange. I thought you said that Wayland would only account for some > small minority of KiCad users. Now you’re describing it as “the user’s > actual, preferred window manager” ... Wayland is the display server; I'm talking about the window manager, the component that determines window appearance/behavior. Implementing a pseudo-window manager within a single window (as you suggest) would mean that the user's preferred settings in the actual window manager (decorations/theme, mouse/keyboard focus behavior, etc.) would have no bearing on the behavior of $APPLICATION's pseudo-windows, because they aren't real windows and are not handled by the window manager. This would be anything from annoying to a usability impairment, depending on the user's preferences or accessibility needs. Your proposed solution would, in fact, create a whole new class of problems. > Maybe the KiCad folk should see the writing in the wall ... ? *Why* should they? Clearly this works for them, and for their paying customers - and by their own account, the only environment where it presents a problem (Wayland/Linux) represents a minority of a minority of their userbase. Why should they feel an obligation to change just to save the Wayland devs from having to provide feature parity with X11 in this proposed X11 replacement?
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-05-06 04:11 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10tef2c$u1ph$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #86157 |
On Tue, 5 May 2026 15:26:42 -0700, John Ames wrote: > On Tue, 5 May 2026 21:52:52 -0000 (UTC) > Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: > >> Maybe the KiCad folk should see the writing in the wall ... ? > > *Why* should they? Clearly this works for them, and for their paying > customers ... Maybe it doesn’t work as well as it should. The only way to be sure is to do actual user-interface testing.
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| From | John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-05-06 08:43 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <20260506084347.000049fe@gmail.com> |
| In reply to | #86162 |
On Wed, 6 May 2026 04:11:56 -0000 (UTC) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: > > > Maybe the KiCad folk should see the writing in the wall ... ? > > > > *Why* should they? Clearly this works for them, and for their paying > > customers ... > > Maybe it doesn’t work as well as it should. The only way to be sure is > to do actual user-interface testing. You're assuming they don't - but either way, that's their affair and is not at *all* germane to the question of whether it's reasonable of you to expect application developers to redesign their entire layout/work- flow to suit the idiosyncracies of the Wayland devs' worldview.
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| From | Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> |
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| Date | 2026-05-06 16:30 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <18ad06ee0d21bf57$37606$2332849$802601b3@news.usenetexpress.com> |
| In reply to | #86178 |
On Wed, 6 May 2026 08:43:47 -0700, John Ames wrote: > > You're assuming they don't - but either way, that's their affair and is > not at *all* germane to the question of whether it's reasonable of you > to expect application developers to redesign their entire layout/work- > flow to suit the idiosyncracies of the Wayland devs' worldview. > It is an excellent argument but it is also a losing battle. The mainstream distros are in de facto control of GNU/Linux. They make the decisions as to what the future will be, and the vast hordes of users, who depend entirely on distros, will only obediently follow. There are alternatives but such projects will always lack the sufficient manpower and resources to compete with the mainstream distros, most of which have large corporate backing. The dream of a truly free (as in "freedom" and not "beer") operating system is already quite dead. Watch what happens when Torvalds retires.
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-05-06 21:13 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10tgau7$1gi8h$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #86180 |
On Wed, 06 May 2026 16:30:47 +0000, Leroy H wrote: > The mainstream distros are in de facto control of GNU/Linux. Who decides what is “mainstream”?
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-05-06 22:06 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <1uednaytofMlbmb0nZ2dnZfqnPidnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #86190 |
On 5/6/26 17:13, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > On Wed, 06 May 2026 16:30:47 +0000, Leroy H wrote: > >> The mainstream distros are in de facto control of GNU/Linux. > > Who decides what is “mainstream”? Only the public. The highest-ranking distros vary over time - sometimes including weird ones I'd never heard of before. Canonical probably has the most influence of all ... and you can see their foul stench in a number of related distros.
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| From | Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> |
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| Date | 2026-05-07 03:49 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <18ad2bf14eddd470$9813$2713986$802601b3@news.usenetexpress.com> |
| In reply to | #86195 |
On Wed, 6 May 2026 22:06:35 -0400, c186282 wrote: >> >> Who decides what is “mainstream”? > > Only the public. The highest-ranking distros > vary over time > Do they? The multiplicity of distros is only an illusion. The vast majority of distros are derived from the BIG THREE: Debian, RedHat, and ArchLinux. Thus, choice and freedom are also illusions. Any remaining bastions will not survive. (LFS has already folded.) Only the deluded will disagree. > > Canonical probably has the most influence of > all ... and you can see their foul stench in > a number of related distros. > Surprisingly, you got that right. That bloated chrome-dome known as Steve Balmer could not have caused as much degradation to GNU/Linux as has Ubuntu.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-05-07 16:37 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <jL-dnR7wHeKpZWH0nZ2dnZfqnPGdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #86196 |
On 5/6/26 23:49, Leroy H wrote: > On Wed, 6 May 2026 22:06:35 -0400, c186282 wrote: > >>> >>> Who decides what is “mainstream”? >> >> Only the public. The highest-ranking distros >> vary over time >> > > Do they? > > The multiplicity of distros is only an illusion. > The vast majority of distros are derived from the > BIG THREE: Debian, RedHat, and ArchLinux. Well, almost all automobiles use four-stroke combustion engines. Does that mean that Herr Otto owns it all ? The big 'base' distros became thus because they were GOOD - great platforms upon which to customize, have a lot of people working behind the scenes on the upkeep. There ARE a few other 'bases' - esp Slack - plus a number of more truly independent works. Not as if you're totally trapped. Try GenToo. Try some of the BSDs .... Dragonfly and Ghost are nice. > Thus, choice and freedom are also illusions. > Any remaining bastions will not survive. (LFS > has already folded.) > > Only the deluded will disagree. "Freedom" and "choice" are always a sort of illusion - and not just where Linux is concerned :-) >> >> Canonical probably has the most influence of >> all ... and you can smell their foul stench in >> a number of related distros. >> > > Surprisingly, you got that right. > > That bloated chrome-dome known as Steve Balmer could > not have caused as much degradation to GNU/Linux as > has Ubuntu. It is my opinion that Canonical fucked up Debian. Now it's just another, unnecessarily weird, flavor of Ubuntu rather than the other way around.
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| From | Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-05-07 13:06 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrn10vp3is.92m.boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> |
| In reply to | #86180 |
On 2026-05-06, Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> wrote: > On Wed, 6 May 2026 08:43:47 -0700, John Ames wrote: > >> >> You're assuming they don't - but either way, that's their affair and is >> not at *all* germane to the question of whether it's reasonable of you >> to expect application developers to redesign their entire layout/work- >> flow to suit the idiosyncracies of the Wayland devs' worldview. >> > > It is an excellent argument but it is also a losing battle. > > The mainstream distros are in de facto control of GNU/Linux. They > make the decisions as to what the future will be, and the vast hordes > of users, who depend entirely on distros, will only obediently follow. > > There are alternatives but such projects will always lack the sufficient > manpower and resources to compete with the mainstream distros, most of which > have large corporate backing. > > The dream of a truly free (as in "freedom" and not "beer") operating system > is already quite dead. > > Watch what happens when Torvalds retires. > No, the hordes will move elsewhere. The problem with opinionated developers, is they have a mentality where they think that they, and not the user, get to decide how everyone perceives things. I find that there is a particular political bent, which is prominent in Open Source, which has this model of the world. "We know better, and we presume that people will follow us". It may take a while, but if the platform doesn't suit the user, the user will move. In the end, the user dicates the future, especially when they DO have choices. All another distro has to do is put its hand up and say "We don't have this bullshit"
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-05-07 18:35 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <yX4LR.611725$MLx9.271156@fx23.iad> |
| In reply to | #86210 |
On 2026-05-07, Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> wrote: > The problem with opinionated developers, is they have a mentality where > they think that they, and not the user, get to decide how everyone > perceives things. I find that there is a particular political bent, > which is prominent in Open Source, which has this model of the world. > "We know better, and we presume that people will follow us". > > It may take a while, but if the platform doesn't suit the user, the user > will move. > > In the end, the user dicates the future, especially when they DO have > choices. All another distro has to do is put its hand up and say "We don't > have this bullshit" I wish I could share your optimism. But from what I've seen, people will put up with almost any indignity, as long as it's shiny. For the most part, people will just shrug their shoulders and accept it as a part of "progress". As you pointed out above, this applies not just to computers but to politics in general - and the peepul have gone along with all sorts of stupid things for centuries. Remember that old saying, "Suppose they gave a war and no one came?" Look how far that one got. -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | Growth for the sake of \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | growth is the ideology X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | of the cancer cell. / \ if you read it the right way. | -- Edward Abbey
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-05-07 21:30 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10tj09d$2dneu$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #86219 |
On Thu, 07 May 2026 18:35:10 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > But from what I've seen, people will put up with almost any > indignity, as long as it's shiny. Doesn’t mean you have to do the same, though. What does it matter to you what other people do?
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| From | Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-05-08 12:54 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrn10vrn89.cs1.boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> |
| In reply to | #86219 |
On 2026-05-07, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote: > On 2026-05-07, Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> wrote: > >> The problem with opinionated developers, is they have a mentality where >> they think that they, and not the user, get to decide how everyone >> perceives things. I find that there is a particular political bent, >> which is prominent in Open Source, which has this model of the world. >> "We know better, and we presume that people will follow us". >> >> It may take a while, but if the platform doesn't suit the user, the user >> will move. >> >> In the end, the user dicates the future, especially when they DO have >> choices. All another distro has to do is put its hand up and say "We don't >> have this bullshit" > > I wish I could share your optimism. But from what I've seen, people > will put up with almost any indignity, as long as it's shiny. For > the most part, people will just shrug their shoulders and accept it > as a part of "progress". > > As you pointed out above, this applies not just to computers but > to politics in general - and the peepul have gone along with all > sorts of stupid things for centuries. Remember that old saying, > "Suppose they gave a war and no one came?" Look how far that one got. > IF there is the perception that moving away is trouble. People will put up with Windows, because it is seen as a "standard" and if you go off it, you go into unknown territory. But if Linux pissses a new convert off, they can easily just "revert". You are kind of right, but the thing is, alternatives to come along. Thats why, even in politics, some parts of the West are worried about so called "fringe parties". One party here has surged in the polls, being niche, and is challenging the two major parties. Its slow, but it does happen.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-05-08 19:07 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n66qjvFbb2tU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #86240 |
On Fri, 8 May 2026 12:54:33 -0000 (UTC), Borax Man wrote: > You are kind of right, but the thing is, alternatives to come along. > Thats why, even in politics, some parts of the West are worried about so > called "fringe parties". One party here has surged in the polls, being > niche, and is challenging the two major parties. Its slow, but it does > happen. In this country Ross Perot's party was the only one that wasn't a complete joke in my lifetime and all he accomplished was to get Clinton elected.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-05-08 21:58 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <D5ecnQGq0slACWP0nZ2dnZfqn_udnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #86249 |
On 5/8/26 15:07, rbowman wrote: > On Fri, 8 May 2026 12:54:33 -0000 (UTC), Borax Man wrote: > >> You are kind of right, but the thing is, alternatives to come along. >> Thats why, even in politics, some parts of the West are worried about so >> called "fringe parties". One party here has surged in the polls, being >> niche, and is challenging the two major parties. Its slow, but it does >> happen. > > In this country Ross Perot's party was the only one that wasn't a complete > joke in my lifetime and all he accomplished was to get Clinton elected. I think the Dems engineered Perot's 3rd party just for that reason. Do NOT be surprised if a 3rd party suddenly and mysteriously appears next year sometime. Follow the money. Follow the influence. Humans ... well ... we do best with TWO choices. Call them 'good' and 'evil' or whatever, but it seems to sync well with our brains. The UK and some others have LOTS of parties, which mostly seem aimed at keeping the main two in charge - places to safely drain-off the 'nutter' votes. Oh, DID get Leap to install in VBox ... but had to create an 'illegal' setting for the vid to get past the Wayland issue. Alas the size of the display is unstable between boots - but I wasn't planning to use it for video games. Setting 'bridged' adapter I was able to get it to use my local wifi network just fine. It THINKS it's a wired adapter, but it ain't. BTW, it didn't even load 'yast2' - had to use zypper to install that. Also have GhostBSD ... will install that in VBox as well and decide which will work best with a little server idea I have in mind. I've fooled with GBSD before, it's pretty nice.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-05-09 03:31 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n67o58Ff7eeU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #86261 |
On Fri, 8 May 2026 21:58:46 -0400, c186282 wrote: > The UK and some others have LOTS of parties, > which mostly seem aimed at keeping the main two in charge - places to > safely drain-off the 'nutter' votes. 'Borgen' is a very interesting series about Danish politics and the sausage making involved with forming a government. The parties are fictional but closely resemble the actual ones. There are a few of them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_parties_in_Denmark The current PM, Mette Frederiksen, is a Social Democrat but has a coalition with Venstre and the Moderates. Despite meaning 'left' Venstre is center right. The Moderates is a new party that was named after the fictional one in 'Borgen', and leans right. Strange bedfellows. The SD might lean left but unlike the US Democrats its immigration policy is 'Sweden is that way. Keep moving' unless you're a white, Christian Ukrainian. > BTW, it didn't even load 'yast2' - had to use zypper to install that. Yast2 was replaced by MyrLyn if you want a graphical installer. It looks a lot like yast. Yast wasn't getting much love and changes in Ruby meant a lot of rework. Ruby was obscure with most of the documentation in Japanese until Ruby on Rails made it into a shooting star. Rails doesn't scale well and its better ideas found their way to Django and frameworks in other languages. As an aside, Hansson, who developed Rails, pissed off the Rails people by supporting the British anti-immigration movement. his current project says up front that it's opinionated. Cycling back to Borgen, he is a Dane. https://omarchy.org/ Omarchy uses Hyprland which has also pissed off its own set of snowflakes so when Framework Computers donated to Omarchy it rippled to another batch of Karens.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-05-09 00:48 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <r7SdnV3hGqxQIWP0nZ2dnZfqn_qdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #86264 |
On 5/8/26 23:31, rbowman wrote: > On Fri, 8 May 2026 21:58:46 -0400, c186282 wrote: > >> The UK and some others have LOTS of parties, >> which mostly seem aimed at keeping the main two in charge - places to >> safely drain-off the 'nutter' votes. > > 'Borgen' is a very interesting series about Danish politics and the > sausage making involved with forming a government. The parties are > fictional but closely resemble the actual ones. There are a few of them. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_parties_in_Denmark Hmm, interesting - I have a few Danish relatives. I'll have to ask them about this. In any case, I'll still maintain that "3rd parties" are mostly intended as garbage dumpsters for the 'nutters' - and thus protect the MAJOR parties. > The current PM, Mette Frederiksen, is a Social Democrat but has a > coalition with Venstre and the Moderates. Despite meaning 'left' Venstre > is center right. The Moderates is a new party that was named after the > fictional one in 'Borgen', and leans right. Strange bedfellows. The SD > might lean left but unlike the US Democrats its immigration policy is > 'Sweden is that way. Keep moving' unless you're a white, Christian > Ukrainian. "Left", "right", "center" ... not the same as the USA defs. This seems to confuse Americans. >> BTW, it didn't even load 'yast2' - had to use zypper to install that. > > Yast2 was replaced by MyrLyn if you want a graphical installer. It looks a > lot like yast. Yast wasn't getting much love and changes in Ruby meant a > lot of rework. Ruby was obscure with most of the documentation in > Japanese until Ruby on Rails made it into a shooting star. Rails doesn't > scale well and its better ideas found their way to Django and frameworks > in other languages. Didn't see MyrLyn in the menus either ... will try to install it with zypper. > As an aside, Hansson, who developed Rails, pissed off the Rails people by > supporting the British anti-immigration movement. his current project says > up front that it's opinionated. Cycling back to Borgen, he is a Dane. > > https://omarchy.org/ > > Omarchy uses Hyprland which has also pissed off its own set of snowflakes > so when Framework Computers donated to Omarchy it rippled to another batch > of Karens. Yea, alas, conventional politics seems to permeate, contaminate, EVERYTHING these days. Not good. Hey, if you claim 2+2=4 these days, and you're a known 'conservative', then everyone will assert 2+2 != 4 Just Because. All trace of logic/sense/evidence is GONE from the western world. WHOM does that serve ???
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-05-09 07:44 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n686vkFhqroU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #86265 |
On Sat, 9 May 2026 00:48:30 -0400, c186282 wrote: > Didn't see MyrLyn in the menus either ... will try to install it with > zypper. I see two entries on the System menu. One requires a password and is the sudo version, the other is a read only version. I installed the KDE/Plasma version and the Myrlyn 'About' says it uses Qt. I don't know if it is on the GNOME version. I originally loaded that one into the VM but plain vanilla GNOME sucks so badly I didn't spend much time before reinstalling. At least Ubuntu tweaks GNOME enough that it has a taskbar. I thing that's the GNOME 'dash on panel' extension. To install yast2 I had to uninstall busybox-hostname. yast2 doesn't show up on the menu but starting it from the command line results in a TUI that looks like it escaped from 1995 and doesn't do much.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-05-09 13:46 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <ddj3dmx31t.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #86268 |
On 2026-05-09 09:44, rbowman wrote: > On Sat, 9 May 2026 00:48:30 -0400, c186282 wrote: > >> Didn't see MyrLyn in the menus either ... will try to install it with >> zypper. > > I see two entries on the System menu. One requires a password and is the > sudo version, the other is a read only version. I installed the KDE/Plasma > version and the Myrlyn 'About' says it uses Qt. I don't know if it is on > the GNOME version. I originally loaded that one into the VM but plain > vanilla GNOME sucks so badly I didn't spend much time before > reinstalling. At least Ubuntu tweaks GNOME enough that it has a taskbar. > I thing that's the GNOME 'dash on panel' extension. > > To install yast2 I had to uninstall busybox-hostname. yast2 doesn't show > up on the menu but starting it from the command line results in a TUI that > looks like it escaped from 1995 and doesn't do much. "yast" produces the TUI. yast2 produces the GUI. yast is a symlink to yast2. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-05-09 16:42 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n696evFmk36U3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #86277 |
On Sat, 9 May 2026 13:46:21 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: > "yast" produces the TUI. yast2 produces the GUI. yast is a symlink to > yast2. You are correct that yast is a symlink to yast2. 'sudo yast' and 'sudo yast2' on Leap 16 produce the same TUI. I believe the problems with Ruby 3.4 that caused yast to be dropped from Leap 16 may be the problem.
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