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Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out

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  Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-03-14 03:38 -0400
    Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-03-14 09:52 +0000
      Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-03-14 06:07 -0400
        Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-03-14 10:15 +0000
          Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-03-14 06:25 -0400
            Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-14 13:18 +0000
              Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-14 17:19 +0000
        Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-03-14 13:53 +0100
          Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-03-14 18:48 +0000
            Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-03-14 22:45 +0100
          Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-03-14 21:47 -0400
        Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-14 13:16 +0000
      Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-14 13:12 +0000
    Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-03-14 13:51 +0100
    Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-14 13:03 +0000
      Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-03-14 21:49 -0400
    Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-14 17:13 +0000
    Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 <jmj@energokod.gda.pl> - 2026-03-14 22:03 +0100
      Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-15 02:09 +0000
        Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-03-14 19:23 -0700
          Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-03-14 22:26 -0400
          Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-15 05:03 +0000
            Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-03-15 04:11 -0400
            Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-03-15 09:00 -0700
        Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 <jmj@energokod.gda.pl> - 2026-03-15 10:05 +0100
          Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-15 20:51 +0000
          Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-15 21:25 +0000
            Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 <jmj@energokod.gda.pl> - 2026-03-16 00:30 +0100
              Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-16 02:36 +0000
                Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 <jmj@energokod.gda.pl> - 2026-03-16 06:00 +0100
                  Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-16 06:19 +0000
                    Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 <jmj@energokod.gda.pl> - 2026-03-16 09:52 +0100
                    Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-03-16 05:15 -0400
                    Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-16 20:05 +0000
        Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-03-16 00:51 -0400
          Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-16 05:59 +0000
          Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-16 13:05 +0000
            Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-03-16 09:50 -0400
              Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-16 14:11 +0000
                Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-03-17 01:47 -0400
                  Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-17 18:27 +0000
                    Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-03-18 03:36 -0400
              Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-03-16 22:00 +0100
                Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-03-17 03:05 -0400
                  Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-03-17 12:43 +0100
            Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-16 20:04 +0000
              Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-03-16 22:10 +0100
                Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-17 09:14 +0000
              Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-16 23:01 +0000
                Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-03-17 00:02 +0000
                  Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-17 00:47 +0000
                    Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-17 06:10 +0000
                      Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-17 09:19 +0000
                        Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-03-17 19:35 +0000
                    Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-03-17 03:37 -0400
                    Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-03-17 12:48 +0100
                      Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-18 00:25 +0000
                        Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-03-18 11:32 +0100
                    Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-03-17 19:35 +0000
                  Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-17 00:49 +0000
                Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-17 00:41 +0000
                  Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-22 12:04 +0000
                    Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-03-22 08:49 -0400
                      Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-22 16:40 +0000
                Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-03-17 03:09 -0400
    Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-03-15 02:52 +0000
    Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 <jmj@energokod.gda.pl> - 2026-04-14 14:51 +0200
      Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 <jmj@energokod.gda.pl> - 2026-04-14 17:41 +0200
        Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-04-14 19:23 -0400
          Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-04-15 11:00 +0200
            Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-04-15 20:22 -0400
              Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-04-16 00:28 +0000
                Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-04-17 08:03 +1000
                  Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-04-17 11:44 +0000
                    Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-04-17 13:02 +0100
                      Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-04-18 08:23 +1000
                      Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-04-17 21:01 -0700
                    Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-04-17 20:39 +0200
                      Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-04-17 21:06 +0000
                        Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-04-17 18:10 -0400
                          Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-04-18 13:25 +0200
                            Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-04-18 20:33 +0000
                              Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-04-19 16:48 -0400
                                Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-04-19 21:55 +0100
                                  Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-04-19 23:02 +0200
                                  Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-04-20 14:57 -0400
                                    Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-04-20 20:54 +0100
                                      Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-04-21 00:29 +0200
                                      Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-04-20 21:08 -0400
                                        Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-04-21 02:51 +0000
                                          Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-04-21 09:54 +0100
                                        Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-04-21 12:27 +0200
                                    Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-04-21 00:27 +0200
                                      Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-04-20 21:09 -0400
                                        Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-04-21 09:54 +0100
                                        Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-04-21 12:32 +0200
                                          Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-04-21 13:11 +0100
                                            Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-04-21 19:12 -0400
                                              Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-04-22 07:03 +0200
                                                Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-04-22 15:59 -0400
                                                  Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-04-22 22:40 +0200
                                              Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-04-22 10:06 +0100
                                                Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-04-22 15:37 +0000
                                          Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-04-21 17:39 +0100
                                            Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-04-21 18:24 +0100
                                              Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-04-21 21:33 +0100
                                                Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-04-22 10:06 +0100
                                                  Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-04-22 17:31 +0100
                  Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-04-17 18:03 -0400
              Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-04-16 11:01 +0200
      Re: Small Practical Usenet-Related Question - Keep Thunderbird From Dropping Out 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 <jmj@energokod.gda.pl> - 2026-04-21 00:12 +0200

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#83015

From	c186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date	2026-03-14 22:26 -0400
Message-ID	<B7ednfxAFoVuhSv0nZ2dnZfqnPGdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to	#83014

On 3/14/26 22:23, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
> 
> 
> On 3/14/26 19:09, rbowman wrote:
>> On Sat, 14 Mar 2026 22:03:26 +0100, 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 wrote:
>>
>>> I have TB + GigaNews also, and I have the same problem. For 100% this is
>>> not related to Internet connection. The problem is with TB or with
>>> GigaNews. I am unsure, because I upgrade TB from official Ubuntu repo to
>>> 115.18.0 (64 bity) version, and switch to GigaNews in the same time.
>>
>> I've used news.individual.net for years. I use TB for email and used it
>> for usenet too, but at some point the Ubuntu version had various problems
>> including formatting issue and I switched to Pan with slrn on another
>> machine as a backup.
>>
>> https://news.individual.net/
>>
>> I wasn't aware of it but 'Discontinuation of the NetNews / Usenet service
>> as of 30 September 2027'
>>
>> The cartoon says 'FAREWELL, USENET!  THE ERA OF USENET IS OVER'
>>
>> I'll worry about it next year. I'm not super fond of either but most of
>> the technical stuff I'm interested in has moved to Reddit, Discord, and
>> other forums.
>>
>      When I was younger and had money to spare I was a client of 
> Individual news.net.
>      They changed their way they billed and my cc was no longer acceptable
> for reasons not entirely clear.  They were a very good service and I wish
> they had not shut down or changed the payment method.

   I've adjusted all the relevant timeouts I could
   find in TBird, but it's still ultra-twitchy. So,
   it's probably at the providers end of things,
   THEIR servers are over-sensitive to even small
   interruptions.

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#83022

From	rbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date	2026-03-15 05:03 +0000
Message-ID	<n1mssoFd0c6U3@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#83014

On Sat, 14 Mar 2026 19:23:05 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

> 	When I was younger and had money to spare I was a client of 
Individual
> news.net.
> 	They changed their way they billed and my cc was no longer 
acceptable
> for reasons not entirely clear.  They were a very good service and I
> wish they had not shut down or changed the payment method.

They were using a European version of PayPal, something like Click'n'Buy. 
Every year MasterCard would flag the transaction and call to verify the 
charge. Quite a few years back they switched to PayPal and it's a lot 
smoother. I can handle 10 Euros a year. Besides it keeps me in touch with 
the exchange rate.

Way back my ISP had usenet. It was rather slow and I could get usenet from 
Berlin a lot faster than 8 miles away. The ISP dropped it since usenet 
required a lot of spinning rust when drives were measured in GB not TB. 
Individual.net was free at that time.

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#83025

From	c186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date	2026-03-15 04:11 -0400
Message-ID	<7aacnfM-U5Qg9Cv0nZ2dnZfqn_SdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to	#83022

On 3/15/26 01:03, rbowman wrote:
> On Sat, 14 Mar 2026 19:23:05 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
> 
>> 	When I was younger and had money to spare I was a client of
> Individual
>> news.net.
>> 	They changed their way they billed and my cc was no longer
> acceptable
>> for reasons not entirely clear.  They were a very good service and I
>> wish they had not shut down or changed the payment method.
> 
> They were using a European version of PayPal, something like Click'n'Buy.
> Every year MasterCard would flag the transaction and call to verify the
> charge. Quite a few years back they switched to PayPal and it's a lot
> smoother. I can handle 10 Euros a year. Besides it keeps me in touch with
> the exchange rate.
> 
> Way back my ISP had usenet. It was rather slow and I could get usenet from
> Berlin a lot faster than 8 miles away. The ISP dropped it since usenet
> required a lot of spinning rust when drives were measured in GB not TB.
> Individual.net was free at that time.

   One of my ISPs had free usenet for a LONG time.
   Alas, last year, they decided to drop it.

   My GUESS is that the one creaky old guy who knew
   how to keep the server running retired.

   Oh, the ffmpeg thing ... it craps pretty exactly
   around 09:45, only sporadic partial success all day,
   then comes back perfect around 18:30 ... super weird.
   Checked how I was using time/date stuff - it's
   innocent. Even fooled with the camera settings and
   adding/removing what looked 'optional' in the
   ffmpeg command line.

   Using the Python command to RE-start the pgm in-place
   does work better than looping or letting it drop through
   so systemd can restart it ... but still no joy for that
   segment of the day.

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#83038

From	Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com>
Date	2026-03-15 09:00 -0700
Message-ID	<10p6l2p$17kpc$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to	#83022

On 3/14/26 22:03, rbowman wrote:
> On Sat, 14 Mar 2026 19:23:05 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
> 
>> 	When I was younger and had money to spare I was a client of
> Individual
>> news.net.
>> 	They changed their way they billed and my cc was no longer
> acceptable
>> for reasons not entirely clear.  They were a very good service and I
>> wish they had not shut down or changed the payment method.
> 
> They were using a European version of PayPal, something like Click'n'Buy.
> Every year MasterCard would flag the transaction and call to verify the
> charge. Quite a few years back they switched to PayPal and it's a lot
> smoother. I can handle 10 Euros a year. Besides it keeps me in touch with
> the exchange rate.
> 
> Way back my ISP had usenet. It was rather slow and I could get usenet from
> Berlin a lot faster than 8 miles away. The ISP dropped it since usenet
> required a lot of spinning rust when drives were measured in GB not TB.
> Individual.net was free at that time.

Well I contributed to the AmigaBBS where i first began to deal in an 
uncertain
and plodding way with Usenet but then the man who ran it had to go to a 
real
job and shut down his hobby. I went to another BBS then to a Unix BBS and
finally later than most got an DSL when I had firmly adopted the use of 
Mandriva
Linux. But there was an interlude with FidoNet so that I could stay in 
touch with
Team Amiga(a private mailing list). We had an insider with one or more 
of the
companies who tried to get the Amiga IP on hardware again, engineers of the
soft and hardware.  It was a hopeful time but ultimately a disappointment.

	bliss -

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#83026

From	🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 <jmj@energokod.gda.pl>
Date	2026-03-15 10:05 +0100
Message-ID	<5_qcne9QX63x6yv0nZ2dnZfqn_ednZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to	#83011

W dniu 15.03.2026 o 03:09, rbowman pisze:
> https://news.individual.net/
> 
> I wasn't aware of it but 'Discontinuation of the NetNews / Usenet service
> as of 30 September 2027'
> 
> The cartoon says 'FAREWELL, USENET!  THE ERA OF USENET IS OVER'
> 
> I'll worry about it next year.

My advice is: you should switch ASAP to some commercial Usenet service 
provider, because currently you can not pay for news.individual.net 
Usenet service. This mean you will make "secret debt". This is very 
dangerous, at some value of this debt, on the "final court" after death, 
they can punish such parasitan to be ant or bee in next life (among 
other possibilities) in order to get back their human debts by daily 
physical work. I wrote whole report about this nightmare practise: "17. 
Raport Totaliztyczny - Patroni Kontra Bankierzy", but it is in Polish, 
URL is in my signature. Short this report summary: pay for every 
internet  service and for all software you use and reject any gratis. If 
you can't pay donation for some interesting WWW site, or software this 
always mean "secret debt". So: no social media except commercial Usenet 
service, short list of regular donated WWW news sites, regular donated 
Linux distro, avoid any soft outside its official repo except commercial 
soft or FOSS with your donation). The only problem I can't solve are 
Internet Search Engines (ISE) services - none of them allow to pay nor 
donate. So using Google.com or other ISE today mean "secret debts", and 
this is evil big corpos practise.

-- 
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tel.: +48-609-170-742,   najlepiej w godz.: 5:00-5:55 lub 16:00-17:25;
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#83045

From	rbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date	2026-03-15 20:51 +0000
Message-ID	<n1okffFkshvU10@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#83026

On Sun, 15 Mar 2026 10:05:43 +0100, 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 wrote:

>  dniu 15.03.2026 o 03:09, rbowman pisze:
>> https://news.individual.net/
>> 
>> I wasn't aware of it but 'Discontinuation of the NetNews / Usenet
>> service as of 30 September 2027'
>> 
>> The cartoon says 'FAREWELL, USENET!  THE ERA OF USENET IS OVER'
>> 
>> I'll worry about it next year.
> 
> My advice is: you should switch ASAP to some commercial Usenet service
> provider, because currently you can not pay for news.individual.net
> Usenet service. This mean you will make "secret debt".

Since individual stopped being free, I've paid every year, first through 
Click'n'Buy, which was a hassle, and not PayPal.

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#83049

From	Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date	2026-03-15 21:25 +0000
Message-ID	<10p783r$1eam9$4@dont-email.me>
In reply to	#83026

On Sun, 15 Mar 2026 10:05:43 +0100, 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 wrote:

> My advice is: you should switch ASAP to some commercial Usenet
> service provider, because currently you can not pay for
> news.individual.net Usenet service. This mean you will make "secret
> debt". This is very dangerous, at some value of this debt, on the
> "final court" after death, they can punish such parasitan to be ant
> or bee in next life (among other possibilities) in order to get back
> their human debts by daily physical work.

Surely a bigger, stronger creature would be capable of much more
physical work. Or why do we need a living thing to do the work, when
we have machines that never tire or take meal breaks? And last longer
than any ant or bee, too.

Does that work both ways? If you build up a big profit in one life, do
you get reborn as something higher in the next life?

Where would today’s billionaires end up?

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#83057

From	🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 <jmj@energokod.gda.pl>
Date	2026-03-16 00:30 +0100
Message-ID	<fPidnYCcFryS3Cr0nZ2dnZfqnPidnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to	#83049

W dniu 15.03.2026 o 22:25, Lawrence D’Oliveiro pisze:
> Where would today’s billionaires end up?

It depends if they are moral or immoral. If they will be "bad", they 
will be punished. "Good" will be rewarded. Like Bible says.

BTW: About "good and moral business" I wrote short brochure (in Polish), 
and I publish it for free (like free beer) on my WWW site:

<https://energokod.gda.pl/monografie/Teoria%20Organizacji%20w%20Uj%C4%99ciu%20Totaliztycznym.pdf>

It is again completely unique publication, but I feel that I am not 
skilled enough in English to correctly translate.

-- 
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#83063

From	Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date	2026-03-16 02:36 +0000
Message-ID	<10p7qbq$1kltr$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to	#83057

On Mon, 16 Mar 2026 00:30:18 +0100, 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 wrote:

> W dniu 15.03.2026 o 22:25, Lawrence D’Oliveiro pisze:
>
>> On Sun, 15 Mar 2026 10:05:43 +0100, 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 wrote:
>>
>>> This mean you will make "secret debt". This is very dangerous, at
>>> some value of this debt, on the "final court" after death, they
>>> can punish such parasitan to be ant or bee in next life (among
>>> other possibilities) in order to get back their human debts by
>>> daily physical work.
>>
>> Where would today’s billionaires end up?
>>
> It depends if they are moral or immoral.

But doesn’t your “secret debt” principle work both ways? If you build
up a big profit in one life, do you get reborn as something higher in
the next life?

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#83071

From	🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 <jmj@energokod.gda.pl>
Date	2026-03-16 06:00 +0100
Message-ID	<TaudnTbFbZXCEyr0nZ2dnZfqnPednZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to	#83063

W dniu 16.03.2026 o 03:36, Lawrence D’Oliveiro pisze:
> On Mon, 16 Mar 2026 00:30:18 +0100, 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 wrote:
> 
>> W dniu 15.03.2026 o 22:25, Lawrence D’Oliveiro pisze:
>>
>>> On Sun, 15 Mar 2026 10:05:43 +0100, 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 wrote:
>>>
>>>> This mean you will make "secret debt". This is very dangerous, at
>>>> some value of this debt, on the "final court" after death, they
>>>> can punish such parasitan to be ant or bee in next life (among
>>>> other possibilities) in order to get back their human debts by
>>>> daily physical work.
>>>
>>> Where would today’s billionaires end up?
>>>
>> It depends if they are moral or immoral.
> 
> But doesn’t your “secret debt” principle work both ways? If you build
> up a big profit in one life, do you get reborn as something higher in
> the next life?

This is quite simple: economy is controlled by Economy Mechanics 
discovered by me (like Classic Mechanics was discovered by Isaac Newton 
from GB, and Totaliztic Mechanics was discovered by prof. Jan Pająk from 
NZ). All three mechanics control our Space. All three mechanics have 
dual energy form (kinematic and potential). Currently this is only my 
theory, that Economic Energy works similar to Moral Energy, and it flow 
through chakras in both way. So if you earn more money it is registered 
not only in bank account, but also in your soul chakras. The same is 
true when someone take loan from a bank. There is one fact that prove 
this theory: recently I notice that if somebody get something valuable 
"for free"/"as gratis" he/she enjoy like child, and can't stop laugh. 
This effect is only possible if reasonable amount of energy flow through 
chakras.

-- 
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#83075

From	Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date	2026-03-16 06:19 +0000
Message-ID	<10p87dp$1o8r2$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to	#83071

On Mon, 16 Mar 2026 06:00:19 +0100, 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 wrote:

> W dniu 16.03.2026 o 03:36, Lawrence D’Oliveiro pisze:
>>
>> On Mon, 16 Mar 2026 00:30:18 +0100, 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱
>> wrote:
>>
>>> W dniu 15.03.2026 o 22:25, Lawrence D’Oliveiro pisze:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 15 Mar 2026 10:05:43 +0100, 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> This mean you will make "secret debt". This is very dangerous,
>>>>> at some value of this debt, on the "final court" after death,
>>>>> they can punish such parasitan to be ant or bee in next life
>>>>> (among other possibilities) in order to get back their human
>>>>> debts by daily physical work.
>>>>
>>>> Where would today’s billionaires end up?
>>>>
>>> It depends if they are moral or immoral.
>>
>> But doesn’t your “secret debt” principle work both ways? If you
>> build up a big profit in one life, do you get reborn as something
>> higher in the next life?
>
> So if you earn more money it is registered not only in bank account,
> but also in your soul chakras.

So what happens to the huge surplus of this that the billionaires rack
up, in terms of what they get reincarnated as next? Is there some step
higher than a regular human being?

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#83082

From	🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 <jmj@energokod.gda.pl>
Date	2026-03-16 09:52 +0100
Message-ID	<4NmdnaEmgLUqWSr0nZ2dnZfqn_udnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to	#83075

W dniu 16.03.2026 o 07:19, Lawrence D’Oliveiro pisze:
> On Mon, 16 Mar 2026 06:00:19 +0100, 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 wrote:
> 
>> W dniu 16.03.2026 o 03:36, Lawrence D’Oliveiro pisze:
>>>
>>> On Mon, 16 Mar 2026 00:30:18 +0100, 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> W dniu 15.03.2026 o 22:25, Lawrence D’Oliveiro pisze:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 15 Mar 2026 10:05:43 +0100, 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> This mean you will make "secret debt". This is very dangerous,
>>>>>> at some value of this debt, on the "final court" after death,
>>>>>> they can punish such parasitan to be ant or bee in next life
>>>>>> (among other possibilities) in order to get back their human
>>>>>> debts by daily physical work.
>>>>>
>>>>> Where would today’s billionaires end up?
>>>>>
>>>> It depends if they are moral or immoral.
>>>
>>> But doesn’t your “secret debt” principle work both ways? If you
>>> build up a big profit in one life, do you get reborn as something
>>> higher in the next life?
>>
>> So if you earn more money it is registered not only in bank account,
>> but also in your soul chakras.
> 
> So what happens to the huge surplus of this that the billionaires rack
> up, in terms of what they get reincarnated as next? Is there some step
> higher than a regular human being?

This is not only related to economy, but mainly to morality. Generally 
yes, higher beings than human exists. There are plenty evidences for 
this. If you are interested read (in English for your convenience):

<https://pajak.org.nz/god_proof.htm>

HINT 1: Scroll to chapter:

"Part #E: The body of evidence for the existence of God that is known to 
physical sciences, but the availability of which physicists seem to be 
embarrassed to reveal:"

HINT 2: Read also next chapter:

"Part #F: The body of evidence for the existence of God that is known to 
biological sciences, but the availability of which biologists seem to be 
embarrassed to reveal:"

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#83085

From	c186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date	2026-03-16 05:15 -0400
Message-ID	<yUidnf6DKf6tVyr0nZ2dnZfqn_WdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to	#83075

On 3/16/26 02:19, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Mar 2026 06:00:19 +0100, 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 wrote:
> 
>> W dniu 16.03.2026 o 03:36, Lawrence D’Oliveiro pisze:
>>>
>>> On Mon, 16 Mar 2026 00:30:18 +0100, 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> W dniu 15.03.2026 o 22:25, Lawrence D’Oliveiro pisze:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 15 Mar 2026 10:05:43 +0100, 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> This mean you will make "secret debt". This is very dangerous,
>>>>>> at some value of this debt, on the "final court" after death,
>>>>>> they can punish such parasitan to be ant or bee in next life
>>>>>> (among other possibilities) in order to get back their human
>>>>>> debts by daily physical work.
>>>>>
>>>>> Where would today’s billionaires end up?
>>>>>
>>>> It depends if they are moral or immoral.
>>>
>>> But doesn’t your “secret debt” principle work both ways? If you
>>> build up a big profit in one life, do you get reborn as something
>>> higher in the next life?
>>
>> So if you earn more money it is registered not only in bank account,
>> but also in your soul chakras.
> 
> So what happens to the huge surplus of this that the billionaires rack
> up, in terms of what they get reincarnated as next? Is there some step
> higher than a regular human being?

   How it works with billionaires :

   1) GrandPa makes it.
   2) Sonny cruises on it.
   3) The grandkids BLOW it all.

   So don't worry, money is something that comes back 'round.

   Hmmm ... now as fast as tech is progressing, maybe GrandPa
   CAN reincarnate in pseudo-flesh or the cyber-verse ???

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#83128

From	rbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date	2026-03-16 20:05 +0000
Message-ID	<n1r63pF2hu3U7@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#83075

On Mon, 16 Mar 2026 06:19:37 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:

> So what happens to the huge surplus of this that the billionaires rack
> up,
> in terms of what they get reincarnated as next? Is there some step
> higher than a regular human being?

I think Dante would put them in the 7th circle of hell with the perverts 
and usurers.

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#83070

From	c186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date	2026-03-16 00:51 -0400
Message-ID	<je6dnQ_IXuvzESr0nZ2dnZfqnPWdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to	#83011

On 3/14/26 22:09, rbowman wrote:
> On Sat, 14 Mar 2026 22:03:26 +0100, 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 wrote:
> 
>> I have TB + GigaNews also, and I have the same problem. For 100% this is
>> not related to Internet connection. The problem is with TB or with
>> GigaNews. I am unsure, because I upgrade TB from official Ubuntu repo to
>> 115.18.0 (64 bity) version, and switch to GigaNews in the same time.
> 
> I've used news.individual.net for years. I use TB for email and used it
> for usenet too, but at some point the Ubuntu version had various problems
> including formatting issue and I switched to Pan with slrn on another
> machine as a backup.
> 
> https://news.individual.net/
> 
> I wasn't aware of it but 'Discontinuation of the NetNews / Usenet service
> as of 30 September 2027'
> 
> The cartoon says 'FAREWELL, USENET!  THE ERA OF USENET IS OVER'
> 
> I'll worry about it next year. I'm not super fond of either but most of
> the technical stuff I'm interested in has moved to Reddit, Discord, and
> other forums.

   I'm sure neither of you have a problem with TB/GN
   because you have SOLID CONNECTIVITY. My wireless
   jobbie fades in and out and there's nothing to do
   about it right now until somebody adds more/nearer
   towers. DID have a hardwire connection - and TB/GN
   were perfect. Then The Company decided it wasn't
   going to support that anymore, so ......

   I've explained why I won't go fiber - it would be THE
   excuse to zap my great old landline phone forever.

   May look into alternative wireless net providers, but
   I suspect they all use the SAME physical towers, maybe
   the same hardware. Getting permits for new towers
   is apparently quite slow/tedious/expensive.

   Hmm ... in THEORY Comcast might be able to plug
   "micro-towers" into their main lines ... with
   maybe quarter-mile range. Their wire to my place
   will soon be doomed, too many trees on top of
   it and a $5000 estimate for clearing those. When
   it goes it goes. Dish TV after that (love channel
   surfing, not 'on-demand/$$$-per-byte').

   Odd, those trees USED to be so small ...   :-)

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#83073

From	rbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date	2026-03-16 05:59 +0000
Message-ID	<n1pkiaFpnlsU3@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#83070

On Mon, 16 Mar 2026 00:51:44 -0400, c186282 wrote:

>    May look into alternative wireless net providers, but I suspect they
>    all use the SAME physical towers, maybe the same hardware. Getting
>    permits for new towers is apparently quite slow/tedious/expensive.

Meshtastic!

https://meshtastic.org/

I was going to play with it but so far the nodes are far enough down the 
valley it's a no-go. I like the concept though.

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#83099

From	The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date	2026-03-16 13:05 +0000
Message-ID	<10p8v64$1vi0v$12@dont-email.me>
In reply to	#83070

On 16/03/2026 04:51, c186282 wrote:
> I've explained why I won't go fiber - it would be THE
>    excuse to zap my great old landline phone forever.

I bless the last day I ever had to have a carburettor in my daily drive...

-- 
Those who want slavery should have the grace to name it by its proper 
name. They must face the full meaning of that which they are advocating 
or condoning; the full, exact, specific meaning of collectivism, of its 
logical implications, of the principles upon which it is based, and of 
the ultimate consequences to which these principles will lead. They must 
face it, then decide whether this is what they want or not.

Ayn Rand.

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#83105

From	c186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date	2026-03-16 09:50 -0400
Message-ID	<IWSdnR8OepMAlyX0nZ2dnZfqn_udnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to	#83099

On 3/16/26 09:05, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 16/03/2026 04:51, c186282 wrote:
>> I've explained why I won't go fiber - it would be THE
>>    excuse to zap my great old landline phone forever.
> 
> I bless the last day I ever had to have a carburettor in my daily drive...

   Um ... I never had much trouble with carbs. Once
   in a great while you might have to replace the
   bowl gasket, but otherwise.

   But EFI is perfectly good now too - UNLESS the
   'brain' has a fart, then you're screwed.

   In any case I have 'survival' reasons to hang on
   to the landline - so I'm not going to give them
   ANY excuse.

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#83109

From	The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date	2026-03-16 14:11 +0000
Message-ID	<10p932m$1vi0v$26@dont-email.me>
In reply to	#83105

On 16/03/2026 13:50, c186282 wrote:
> On 3/16/26 09:05, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 16/03/2026 04:51, c186282 wrote:
>>> I've explained why I won't go fiber - it would be THE excuse to
>>> zap my great old landline phone forever.
>> 
>> I bless the last day I ever had to have a carburettor in my daily 
>> drive...
> 
> Um ... I never had much trouble with carbs. Once in a great while you
> might have to replace the bowl gasket, but otherwise.
> 
Constant jet blocks here.

Fuel injection mandated the use of fuel filters.

And electronic ignition made for a far more reliable and timely spark


> But EFI is perfectly good now too - UNLESS the 'brain' has a fart,
> then you're screwed.
> 
> In any case I have 'survival' reasons to hang on to the landline - so
> I'm not going to give them ANY excuse.
> 
Your choice. I will get rid of mine when I can find a SIP provider that
suits what I already have. Not what they want to sell me.

Since I had fibre installed I have had no reason to call ISP for support
ever.

Some stuff is just 'clever science man say shiny new thing make
everything better', some is a real advance in utility and reliability

Fibre, fuel injection and electronic ignition are stiff that works., 
Chrome, tailfins and I-phones are just marketing bollocks


-- 
When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men in a society, over
the course of time they create for themselves a legal system that
authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it.

  Frédéric Bastiat

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#83192

From	c186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date	2026-03-17 01:47 -0400
Message-ID	<EV-dncmohbaXdiX0nZ2dnZfqn_ednZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to	#83109

On 3/16/26 10:11, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 16/03/2026 13:50, c186282 wrote:
>> On 3/16/26 09:05, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 16/03/2026 04:51, c186282 wrote:
>>>> I've explained why I won't go fiber - it would be THE excuse to
>>>> zap my great old landline phone forever.
>>>
>>> I bless the last day I ever had to have a carburettor in my daily 
>>> drive...
>>
>> Um ... I never had much trouble with carbs. Once in a great while you
>> might have to replace the bowl gasket, but otherwise.
>>
> Constant jet blocks here.

   Bad filter ?

> Fuel injection mandated the use of fuel filters.

   Yet WISE with carbs since forever. Did nobody
   ever rec/provide ?

> And electronic ignition made for a far more reliable and timely spark

   Point/coil ignition worked "OK" ... though
   periodic adjustment is necessary it's not
   usually THAT much of a burden. Modern IS
   snappier - but also more fragile. Those
   old engines will probably still work even
   after an EMP attack.

>> But EFI is perfectly good now too - UNLESS the 'brain' has a fart,
>> then you're screwed.
>>
>> In any case I have 'survival' reasons to hang on to the landline - so
>> I'm not going to give them ANY excuse.
>>
> Your choice. I will get rid of mine when I can find a SIP provider that
> suits what I already have. Not what they want to sell me.
> 
> Since I had fibre installed I have had no reason to call ISP for support
> ever.

   Checked around, they WILL yank my landline if
   they bring in fiber. So ... no.

   But again I don't stream 8k movies, so I don't
   need THAT much speed.

> Some stuff is just 'clever science man say shiny new thing make
> everything better', some is a real advance in utility and reliability

   Occasionally.

   But if I can find a '57 Chevy that's not all
   bond-o and thick paint I'll buy it.

   My fave were the late 60s Fords and Chevys.
   The 200ci Ford straight-6 was reliable and
   super easy to service.

> Fibre, fuel injection and electronic ignition are stiff that works., 
> Chrome, tailfins and I-phones are just marketing bollocks

   Aww ... the fins let you think you're piloting
   a modern new JET plane !!!  :-)

   Good place to mount the tail-lights too.

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