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Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released

Started byFarley Flud <fsquared@fsquared.linux>
First post2025-12-09 11:18 +0000
Last post2025-12-11 00:07 -0500
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  Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released Farley Flud <fsquared@fsquared.linux> - 2025-12-09 11:18 +0000
    Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2025-12-09 23:30 +0000
      Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2025-12-09 23:58 +0000
        Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-12-10 10:30 +0100
          Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-10 05:16 -0500
            Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 11:23 +0000
            Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2025-12-10 12:18 +0000
              Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-10 22:34 -0500
                Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released Farley Flud <fsquared@fsquared.linux> - 2025-12-11 12:13 +0000
              Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2026-02-10 03:37 +0000
                Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-02-10 04:35 +0000
                  Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-02-10 11:41 +0100
                    Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-02-10 12:55 +0000
                      Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-02-10 14:09 +0100
                        Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-02-10 13:36 +0000
                          Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-02-10 14:51 +0100
                            Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-02-10 15:21 +0100
                              Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-02-10 19:53 +0000
                                Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-02-12 08:43 +0100
                              Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-02-10 22:28 +0100
                                Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-02-11 10:28 +0000
                                  Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-02-11 12:06 +0100
                                    Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-02-11 12:15 +0000
                                      Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-02-11 13:57 +0100
                                    Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-02-11 22:53 +0000
                                      Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-02-12 00:12 +0100
                                        Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-02-12 00:03 +0000
                                          Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-02-12 11:43 +0100
                                            Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-02-12 12:48 +0000
                                            Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-02-12 23:55 +0000
                                          Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2026-02-12 19:40 +0000
                                            Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-02-12 12:17 -0800
                                            Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-02-12 23:56 +0000
                                  Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-02-12 08:45 +0100
                                    Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-02-12 11:45 +0100
                                      Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-02-12 21:07 +0000
                                        Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-02-12 22:27 +0100
                        Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-02-10 15:20 +0100
                          Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-02-10 20:32 +0000
                        Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-02-10 20:27 +0000
                        Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-02-10 22:51 -0500
                          Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-02-11 11:50 +0100
                            Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-02-11 21:05 +0000
                              Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-02-11 23:45 +0100
                                Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-02-12 04:15 +0000
                                  Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-02-12 11:51 +0100
                              Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-02-11 18:00 -0800
                              Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-02-12 12:45 +0000
                                Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-02-12 21:12 +0000
                              Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2026-02-13 21:54 +0000
                                Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-02-13 22:59 +0100
                                  Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-02-14 00:48 +0000
                      Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-02-10 20:26 +0000
                        Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-02-10 23:00 +0100
                          Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-02-11 00:40 +0000
                    Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-02-10 20:01 +0000
                Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-02-10 05:32 +0000
                  Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-02-10 02:31 -0500
                    Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-02-10 03:20 -0500
                      Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-02-10 19:38 +0000
                  Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-02-10 19:34 +0000
                    Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-02-11 11:55 +0100
                      Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-02-11 20:50 +0000
                        Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-02-11 23:52 +0100
                          Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-02-12 03:38 +0000
                            Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-02-12 11:55 +0100
                              Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-02-12 20:39 +0000
                                Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-02-12 22:30 +0100
                                  Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-02-13 01:15 +0000
            Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-11 03:17 +0000
              Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-11 01:06 -0500
                Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-11 22:22 +0000
                  Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-12-12 09:59 -0500
            Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2026-02-10 03:37 +0000
              Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-02-10 04:40 +0000
                Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2026-02-12 20:03 +0000
          Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 11:21 +0000
          Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2025-12-10 11:35 +0000
            Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-12-13 12:35 +0000
          Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-12-10 08:58 -0800
            Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 17:17 +0000
            Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-11 01:03 -0500
              Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-11 09:43 +0000
                Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-12-11 12:15 +0100
                  Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-11 12:44 +0000
                Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-11 22:50 -0500
                  Freighters "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-12 12:15 +0100
                    Re: Freighters rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-12 19:33 +0000
                      Re: Freighters "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-13 13:24 +0100
              Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-12-13 12:43 +0000
                Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released Farley Flud <fflud@gnu.rocks> - 2025-12-13 15:17 +0000
                  Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released bonkmaykr <bonkyboo@canithesis.org> - 2025-12-13 09:30 -0600
                    Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-12-13 10:46 -0500
                    Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released Farley Flud <fflud@gnu.rocks> - 2025-12-13 16:02 +0000
                  Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-12-13 16:08 +0000
            Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2026-02-10 03:37 +0000
          Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-12-13 12:27 +0000
            Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-13 23:46 +0100
              Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-14 02:05 +0000
              Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-12-14 11:33 +0000
                Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-14 20:25 +0000
                  Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-12-15 01:31 +0000
                  Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2025-12-15 10:43 +0000
                Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-15 01:06 +0100
                  Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-15 03:41 +0000
                    Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-12-15 03:49 +0000
                      Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-15 04:05 +0000
                    Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-17 23:46 +0100
                Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-14 22:14 -0500
        Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released CtrlAltDel <Altie@BHam.com> - 2025-12-10 23:58 +0000
      Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 11:19 +0000
        Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-12-10 10:45 -0600
          Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2025-12-11 04:06 +0000
            Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-11 01:25 -0500
              Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-11 09:38 +0000
              Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-11 22:36 +0000
                Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-11 23:41 -0500
                  Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-12 08:15 +0000
                    Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-12 22:36 -0500
                Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-12 11:45 +0000
                  Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-12 19:59 +0000
            Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-15 00:28 +0000
              Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2025-12-15 00:41 +0000
                Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-15 00:45 +0000
                  Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2025-12-15 01:14 +0000
                    Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-15 02:59 +0000
                      Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2025-12-15 03:41 +0000
                        Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-15 04:46 +0000
                          Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2025-12-16 04:17 +0000
                            Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-16 21:52 +0000
          Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-11 00:07 -0500

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#81935

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-02-11 10:28 +0000
Message-ID<10mhlji$fipt$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#81923
On 10/02/2026 21:28, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2026-02-10 15:21, Marc Haber wrote:
>> "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>> However, you can simply switch the greeter and that will stop loading
>>> libraries from the other desktop, before starting the desktop.
>>
>> Dotfiles left around by the other desktop will still be there. And
>> probably be used.
> 
> Not if the programs that used them are gone, or you don't run them.
> 
An interesting case of similar is when I cloned the home directory of an 
x86 machine onto a PI.

Desktop icons referring to nonexistent programs remained in place

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#81941

From"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2026-02-11 12:06 +0100
Message-ID<mv3658F5c0iU4@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#81935
On 2026-02-11 11:28, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> 
> On 10/02/2026 21:28, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> On 2026-02-10 15:21, Marc Haber wrote:
>>> "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>>> However, you can simply switch the greeter and that will stop loading
>>>> libraries from the other desktop, before starting the desktop.
>>>
>>> Dotfiles left around by the other desktop will still be there. And
>>> probably be used.
>>
>> Not if the programs that used them are gone, or you don't run them.
>>
> An interesting case of similar is when I cloned the home directory of an 
> x86 machine onto a PI.
> 
> Desktop icons referring to nonexistent programs remained in place
> 

So? :-)

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        Carlos E.R.

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#81942

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-02-11 12:15 +0000
Message-ID<10mhrsf$hs1j$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#81941
On 11/02/2026 11:06, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2026-02-11 11:28, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>
>> On 10/02/2026 21:28, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>> On 2026-02-10 15:21, Marc Haber wrote:
>>>> "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> However, you can simply switch the greeter and that will stop loading
>>>>> libraries from the other desktop, before starting the desktop.
>>>>
>>>> Dotfiles left around by the other desktop will still be there. And
>>>> probably be used.
>>>
>>> Not if the programs that used them are gone, or you don't run them.
>>>
>> An interesting case of similar is when I cloned the home directory of 
>> an x86 machine onto a PI.
>>
>> Desktop icons referring to nonexistent programs remained in place
>>
> 
> So? :-)
> 
So a clean install doesnt do that.

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#81943

From"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2026-02-11 13:57 +0100
Message-ID<mv3clqF5c0iU7@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#81942
On 2026-02-11 13:15, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 11/02/2026 11:06, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> On 2026-02-11 11:28, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>
>>> On 10/02/2026 21:28, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>> On 2026-02-10 15:21, Marc Haber wrote:
>>>>> "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>> However, you can simply switch the greeter and that will stop loading
>>>>>> libraries from the other desktop, before starting the desktop.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dotfiles left around by the other desktop will still be there. And
>>>>> probably be used.
>>>>
>>>> Not if the programs that used them are gone, or you don't run them.
>>>>
>>> An interesting case of similar is when I cloned the home directory of 
>>> an x86 machine onto a PI.
>>>
>>> Desktop icons referring to nonexistent programs remained in place
>>>
>>
>> So? :-)
>>
> So a clean install doesnt do that.
> 

Deleting your home directory too, or a new user.

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        Carlos E.R.

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#81958

FromLawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2026-02-11 22:53 +0000
Message-ID<10mj18p$109s6$5@dont-email.me>
In reply to#81941
On Wed, 11 Feb 2026 12:06:16 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:

>> Desktop icons referring to nonexistent programs remained in place
>
> So? :-)

The thing with .desktop files (which is what those icons represent) is
that they can invoke arbitrary commands when selected. So they are not
just simple links to particular executables, that can be autoremoved
by a simple find-dangling-references search.

Systemwide .desktop files can of course be removed as part of the
package which installed them. The same is not true of user-created
ones.

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#81959

From"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2026-02-12 00:12 +0100
Message-ID<mv4gmoFbh73U3@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#81958
On 2026-02-11 23:53, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Feb 2026 12:06:16 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> 
>>> Desktop icons referring to nonexistent programs remained in place
>>
>> So? :-)
> 
> The thing with .desktop files (which is what those icons represent) is
> that they can invoke arbitrary commands when selected. So they are not
> just simple links to particular executables, that can be autoremoved
> by a simple find-dangling-references search.
> 
> Systemwide .desktop files can of course be removed as part of the
> package which installed them. The same is not true of user-created
> ones.

But if they refer to nonexistent programs, they no longer work. They are 
just cosmetic noise.

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Cheers,
        Carlos E.R.

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#81960

FromLawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2026-02-12 00:03 +0000
Message-ID<10mj5cp$11pgi$4@dont-email.me>
In reply to#81959
On Thu, 12 Feb 2026 00:12:24 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:

> But if they refer to nonexistent programs, they no longer work. They
> are just cosmetic noise.

How do you tell without trying them all?

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#81975

From"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2026-02-12 11:43 +0100
Message-ID<mv5p6aFiljoU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#81960
On 2026-02-12 01:03, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
> On Thu, 12 Feb 2026 00:12:24 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> 
>> But if they refer to nonexistent programs, they no longer work. They
>> are just cosmetic noise.
> 
> How do you tell without trying them all?

Because the premise of this subthread, which you removed, was:

   On 2026-02-11 11:28, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

   > Desktop icons referring to nonexistent programs remained in place



-- 
Cheers,
        Carlos E.R.

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#81983

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-02-12 12:48 +0000
Message-ID<10mki6j$1er09$5@dont-email.me>
In reply to#81975
On 12/02/2026 10:43, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2026-02-12 01:03, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
>> On Thu, 12 Feb 2026 00:12:24 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>
>>> But if they refer to nonexistent programs, they no longer work. They
>>> are just cosmetic noise.
>>
>> How do you tell without trying them all?
> 
> Because the premise of this subthread, which you removed, was:
> 
>    On 2026-02-11 11:28, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> 
>    > Desktop icons referring to nonexistent programs remained in place
> 
> 
> 
I did in fact try them all.

Now they were no more than an oddity and presented no threat, but they 
are a typical example of what can remain in place when you only 
reinstall part of a new OS and do not wipe the slate clean.

-- 
Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the 
gospel of envy.

Its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.

Winston Churchill

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#82000

FromLawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2026-02-12 23:55 +0000
Message-ID<10mlp96$1svdi$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#81975
On Thu, 12 Feb 2026 11:43:22 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:

> On 2026-02-12 01:03, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, 12 Feb 2026 00:12:24 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>
>>> But if they refer to nonexistent programs, they no longer work.
>>> They are just cosmetic noise.
>>
>> How do you tell without trying them all?
>
> Because the premise of this subthread, which you removed, was:
>
>    On 2026-02-11 11:28, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>    > Desktop icons referring to nonexistent programs remained in place

We already discussed why it’s not exactly trivial to determine that
they *are* referring to nonexistent programs ...

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#81991

Fromcandycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid>
Date2026-02-12 19:40 +0000
Message-ID<slrn10osatp.39po6.candycanearter07@candydeb.host.invalid>
In reply to#81960
Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote at 00:03 this Thursday (GMT):
> On Thu, 12 Feb 2026 00:12:24 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>
>> But if they refer to nonexistent programs, they no longer work. They
>> are just cosmetic noise.
>
> How do you tell without trying them all?


You could parse the target field and check if the file is still
existing?
-- 
user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom

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#81993

FromBobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com>
Date2026-02-12 12:17 -0800
Message-ID<10mlch9$1om7v$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#81991

On 2/12/26 11:40, candycanearter07 wrote:
> Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote at 00:03 this Thursday (GMT):
>> On Thu, 12 Feb 2026 00:12:24 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>
>>> But if they refer to nonexistent programs, they no longer work. They
>>> are just cosmetic noise.

	A good reminder to download and install those programs if usable in the 
new DE.
>>
>> How do you tell without trying them all?
> 
> 
> You could parse the target field and check if the file is still
> existing?

	bliss

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#82001

FromLawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2026-02-12 23:56 +0000
Message-ID<10mlpca$1svdi$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#81991
On Thu, 12 Feb 2026 19:40:04 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:

> Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote at 00:03 this Thursday (GMT):
>>
>> On Thu, 12 Feb 2026 00:12:24 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>
>>> But if they refer to nonexistent programs, they no longer work.
>>> They are just cosmetic noise.
>>
>> How do you tell without trying them all?
>
> You could parse the target field and check if the file is still
> existing?

*What* “target field”?

<https://specifications.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry/latest/>

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#81972

FromMarc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us>
Date2026-02-12 08:45 +0100
Message-ID<10mk0ed$1432s$1@news1.tnib.de>
In reply to#81935
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>On 10/02/2026 21:28, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> On 2026-02-10 15:21, Marc Haber wrote:
>>> "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>>> However, you can simply switch the greeter and that will stop loading
>>>> libraries from the other desktop, before starting the desktop.
>>>
>>> Dotfiles left around by the other desktop will still be there. And
>>> probably be used.
>> 
>> Not if the programs that used them are gone, or you don't run them.
>> 
>An interesting case of similar is when I cloned the home directory of an 
>x86 machine onto a PI.
>
>Desktop icons referring to nonexistent programs remained in place

It is enough to work with xfce, lxde, lxqt and kde interleaved. kde
might get quite confused by the settings you did in lxde.

Chaning the desktop in the same account is a common use case when you
use a development version of your distribtion where your daily desktop
may be broken von time to time, or when you access your desktop
remotely over thin links, falling back to a desktop that isn't as
graphcally challenging.

Greetings
Marc
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#81976

From"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2026-02-12 11:45 +0100
Message-ID<mv5papFiljoU2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#81972
On 2026-02-12 08:45, Marc Haber wrote:
> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> On 10/02/2026 21:28, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>> On 2026-02-10 15:21, Marc Haber wrote:
>>>> "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> However, you can simply switch the greeter and that will stop loading
>>>>> libraries from the other desktop, before starting the desktop.
>>>>
>>>> Dotfiles left around by the other desktop will still be there. And
>>>> probably be used.
>>>
>>> Not if the programs that used them are gone, or you don't run them.
>>>
>> An interesting case of similar is when I cloned the home directory of an
>> x86 machine onto a PI.
>>
>> Desktop icons referring to nonexistent programs remained in place
> 
> It is enough to work with xfce, lxde, lxqt and kde interleaved. kde
> might get quite confused by the settings you did in lxde.
> 
> Chaning the desktop in the same account is a common use case when you
> use a development version of your distribtion where your daily desktop
> may be broken von time to time, or when you access your desktop
> remotely over thin links, falling back to a desktop that isn't as
> graphcally challenging.

Or when they tell me about this or that wonderful feature the other 
desktop has, and I temporarily switch to find out about it. :-)

-- 
Cheers,
        Carlos E.R.

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#81995

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-02-12 21:07 +0000
Message-ID<mv6tnmFo8ioU7@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#81976
On Thu, 12 Feb 2026 11:45:45 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:

> On 2026-02-12 08:45, Marc Haber wrote:
>> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>> On 10/02/2026 21:28, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>> On 2026-02-10 15:21, Marc Haber wrote:
>>>>> "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>> However, you can simply switch the greeter and that will stop
>>>>>> loading libraries from the other desktop, before starting the
>>>>>> desktop.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dotfiles left around by the other desktop will still be there. And
>>>>> probably be used.
>>>>
>>>> Not if the programs that used them are gone, or you don't run them.
>>>>
>>> An interesting case of similar is when I cloned the home directory of
>>> an x86 machine onto a PI.
>>>
>>> Desktop icons referring to nonexistent programs remained in place
>> 
>> It is enough to work with xfce, lxde, lxqt and kde interleaved. kde
>> might get quite confused by the settings you did in lxde.
>> 
>> Chaning the desktop in the same account is a common use case when you
>> use a development version of your distribtion where your daily desktop
>> may be broken von time to time, or when you access your desktop
>> remotely over thin links, falling back to a desktop that isn't as
>> graphcally challenging.
> 
> Or when they tell me about this or that wonderful feature the other
> desktop has, and I temporarily switch to find out about it. :-)

That's when you either use the live feature or fire up a VM.

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#81997

From"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2026-02-12 22:27 +0100
Message-ID<mv6uu1Fmeg8U5@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#81995
On 2026-02-12 22:07, rbowman wrote:
> On Thu, 12 Feb 2026 11:45:45 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> 
>> On 2026-02-12 08:45, Marc Haber wrote:
>>> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>> On 10/02/2026 21:28, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>>> On 2026-02-10 15:21, Marc Haber wrote:
>>>>>> "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>> However, you can simply switch the greeter and that will stop
>>>>>>> loading libraries from the other desktop, before starting the
>>>>>>> desktop.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dotfiles left around by the other desktop will still be there. And
>>>>>> probably be used.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not if the programs that used them are gone, or you don't run them.
>>>>>
>>>> An interesting case of similar is when I cloned the home directory of
>>>> an x86 machine onto a PI.
>>>>
>>>> Desktop icons referring to nonexistent programs remained in place
>>>
>>> It is enough to work with xfce, lxde, lxqt and kde interleaved. kde
>>> might get quite confused by the settings you did in lxde.
>>>
>>> Chaning the desktop in the same account is a common use case when you
>>> use a development version of your distribtion where your daily desktop
>>> may be broken von time to time, or when you access your desktop
>>> remotely over thin links, falling back to a desktop that isn't as
>>> graphcally challenging.
>>
>> Or when they tell me about this or that wonderful feature the other
>> desktop has, and I temporarily switch to find out about it. :-)
> 
> That's when you either use the live feature or fire up a VM.
> 

Nope. I just login another user in that other desktop. Simultaneously. And accessing the same files and resources :-)

-- 
Cheers,
        Carlos E.R.

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#81906

FromMarc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us>
Date2026-02-10 15:20 +0100
Message-ID<10mferf$iuob$1@news1.tnib.de>
In reply to#81900
"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>On 2026-02-10 13:55, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 10/02/2026 10:41, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>> On 2026-02-10 05:35, rbowman wrote:
>>>> I was messing around with a VM on another machine and loaded openSUSE 
>>>> Leap
>>>> 16 with GNOME. As we used to say, that sucks green donkey dicks. Delete
>>>> VM, reinstall with the KDE DE. The host box is Fedora/KDE so they look
>>>> pretty much the same.
>>>
>>> Why reinstall? Just use the package manager and install plasma, remove 
>>> gnome if you wish.
>>>
>> That does not always result in a clean install.
>> 
>> deleting a test VM is trivially easy too.
>
>openSUSE is designed so that you can install any desktop. Even all of 
>them at the same time.

So is Debian and Fedora. But I would recommend doing such experiments
at least with a clean account. I have experienced cases where a tested
new Desktop Environment left settings in ~ that also influenced the
behavior of my usual Desktop Environment. Getting rid of that
influence was a major hassle. I would believe that this could happen
on any distribution.

Doing such experiments in VMs has the advantage that your usual
account and your usual desktop is not only safe, but also normally
available while you do the experimentation.

And, a test VM is easy to set up. If one finds that this is needed
frequently, I'd recommend installing a test VM, taking a snapshot,
doing experiments and then just resetting to the snapshot. Keeping
that test VM current is work, so if such experiments only happen like
once a year it might be the wise decision to just reinstall.

Greetings
Marc
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#81922

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-02-10 20:32 +0000
Message-ID<mv1iu7Frtm0U4@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#81906
On Tue, 10 Feb 2026 15:20:31 +0100, Marc Haber wrote:

> So is Debian and Fedora. But I would recommend doing such experiments at
> least with a clean account. I have experienced cases where a tested new
> Desktop Environment left settings in ~ that also influenced the behavior
> of my usual Desktop Environment. Getting rid of that influence was a
> major hassle. I would believe that this could happen on any
> distribution.

That's my experience -- it *mostly* works. I didn't mind experimenting 
with Xfce on a LM MATE installation since I planned to go to a fresh 
Cinnamon install. Even with i3 I found that starting MATE GUIs got into 
some strange area fixed by rebooting.

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#81921

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-02-10 20:27 +0000
Message-ID<mv1il4Frtm0U3@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#81900
On Tue, 10 Feb 2026 14:09:25 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:

> On 2026-02-10 13:55, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 10/02/2026 10:41, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>> On 2026-02-10 05:35, rbowman wrote:
>>>> I was messing around with a VM on another machine and loaded openSUSE
>>>> Leap 16 with GNOME. As we used to say, that sucks green donkey dicks.
>>>> Delete VM, reinstall with the KDE DE. The host box is Fedora/KDE so
>>>> they look pretty much the same.
>>>
>>> Why reinstall? Just use the package manager and install plasma, remove
>>> gnome if you wish.
>>>
>> That does not always result in a clean install.
>> 
>> deleting a test VM is trivially easy too.
> 
> openSUSE is designed so that you can install any desktop. Even all of
> them at the same time.

Perhaps. My experience is that can get weird and I prefer not to.

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