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  Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released Farley Flud <fsquared@fsquared.linux> - 2025-12-09 11:18 +0000
    Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2025-12-09 23:30 +0000
      Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2025-12-09 23:58 +0000
        Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-12-10 10:30 +0100
          Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-10 05:16 -0500
            Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 11:23 +0000
            Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2025-12-10 12:18 +0000
              Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-10 22:34 -0500
                Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released Farley Flud <fsquared@fsquared.linux> - 2025-12-11 12:13 +0000
              Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2026-02-10 03:37 +0000
                Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-02-10 04:35 +0000
                  Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-02-10 11:41 +0100
                    Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-02-10 12:55 +0000
                      Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-02-10 14:09 +0100
                        Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-02-10 13:36 +0000
                          Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-02-10 14:51 +0100
                            Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-02-10 15:21 +0100
                              Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-02-10 19:53 +0000
                                Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-02-12 08:43 +0100
                              Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-02-10 22:28 +0100
                                Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-02-11 10:28 +0000
                                  Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-02-11 12:06 +0100
                                    Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-02-11 12:15 +0000
                                      Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-02-11 13:57 +0100
                                    Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-02-11 22:53 +0000
                                      Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-02-12 00:12 +0100
                                        Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-02-12 00:03 +0000
                                          Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-02-12 11:43 +0100
                                            Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-02-12 12:48 +0000
                                            Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-02-12 23:55 +0000
                                          Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2026-02-12 19:40 +0000
                                            Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-02-12 12:17 -0800
                                            Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-02-12 23:56 +0000
                                  Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-02-12 08:45 +0100
                                    Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-02-12 11:45 +0100
                                      Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-02-12 21:07 +0000
                                        Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-02-12 22:27 +0100
                        Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-02-10 15:20 +0100
                          Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-02-10 20:32 +0000
                        Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-02-10 20:27 +0000
                        Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-02-10 22:51 -0500
                          Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-02-11 11:50 +0100
                            Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-02-11 21:05 +0000
                              Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-02-11 23:45 +0100
                                Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-02-12 04:15 +0000
                                  Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-02-12 11:51 +0100
                              Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-02-11 18:00 -0800
                              Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-02-12 12:45 +0000
                                Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-02-12 21:12 +0000
                              Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2026-02-13 21:54 +0000
                                Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-02-13 22:59 +0100
                                  Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-02-14 00:48 +0000
                      Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-02-10 20:26 +0000
                        Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-02-10 23:00 +0100
                          Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-02-11 00:40 +0000
                    Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-02-10 20:01 +0000
                Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-02-10 05:32 +0000
                  Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-02-10 02:31 -0500
                    Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-02-10 03:20 -0500
                      Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-02-10 19:38 +0000
                  Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-02-10 19:34 +0000
                    Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-02-11 11:55 +0100
                      Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-02-11 20:50 +0000
                        Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-02-11 23:52 +0100
                          Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-02-12 03:38 +0000
                            Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-02-12 11:55 +0100
                              Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-02-12 20:39 +0000
                                Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-02-12 22:30 +0100
                                  Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-02-13 01:15 +0000
            Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-11 03:17 +0000
              Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-11 01:06 -0500
                Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-11 22:22 +0000
                  Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-12-12 09:59 -0500
            Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2026-02-10 03:37 +0000
              Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-02-10 04:40 +0000
                Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2026-02-12 20:03 +0000
          Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 11:21 +0000
          Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2025-12-10 11:35 +0000
            Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-12-13 12:35 +0000
          Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-12-10 08:58 -0800
            Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 17:17 +0000
            Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-11 01:03 -0500
              Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-11 09:43 +0000
                Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-12-11 12:15 +0100
                  Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-11 12:44 +0000
                Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-11 22:50 -0500
                  Freighters "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-12 12:15 +0100
                    Re: Freighters rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-12 19:33 +0000
                      Re: Freighters "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-13 13:24 +0100
              Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-12-13 12:43 +0000
                Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released Farley Flud <fflud@gnu.rocks> - 2025-12-13 15:17 +0000
                  Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released bonkmaykr <bonkyboo@canithesis.org> - 2025-12-13 09:30 -0600
                    Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-12-13 10:46 -0500
                    Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released Farley Flud <fflud@gnu.rocks> - 2025-12-13 16:02 +0000
                  Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-12-13 16:08 +0000
            Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2026-02-10 03:37 +0000
          Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-12-13 12:27 +0000
            Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-13 23:46 +0100
              Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-14 02:05 +0000
              Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-12-14 11:33 +0000
                Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-14 20:25 +0000
                  Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-12-15 01:31 +0000
                  Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2025-12-15 10:43 +0000
                Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-15 01:06 +0100
                  Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-15 03:41 +0000
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                      Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-15 04:05 +0000
                    Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-17 23:46 +0100
                Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-14 22:14 -0500
        Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released CtrlAltDel <Altie@BHam.com> - 2025-12-10 23:58 +0000
      Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 11:19 +0000
        Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-12-10 10:45 -0600
          Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2025-12-11 04:06 +0000
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              Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-11 22:36 +0000
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                  Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-12 08:15 +0000
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                Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-12 11:45 +0000
                  Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-12 19:59 +0000
            Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-15 00:28 +0000
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#81928

On 2/10/26 08:09, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2026-02-10 13:55, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 10/02/2026 10:41, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>> On 2026-02-10 05:35, rbowman wrote:
>>>> I was messing around with a VM on another machine and loaded 
>>>> openSUSE Leap
>>>> 16 with GNOME. As we used to say, that sucks green donkey dicks. Delete
>>>> VM, reinstall with the KDE DE. The host box is Fedora/KDE so they look
>>>> pretty much the same.
>>>
>>> Why reinstall? Just use the package manager and install plasma, 
>>> remove gnome if you wish.
>>>
>> That does not always result in a clean install.
>>
>> deleting a test VM is trivially easy too.
> 
> openSUSE is designed so that you can install any desktop. Even all of 
> them at the same time.

   The user was saying, and is kind-of correct, that
   add-on environments don't always fully/properly
   install and may require a lot of fucking around.
   If selected DURING initial install the results
   are better.

   IF you don't have a lot of time vested in the VM
   then it CAN be easier/faster to just zap it and
   create a new one.

   As for Gnome - DOES suck green donkey dicks - and
   KDE ... hate 'em both. XFCE or LXDE for me ! JUST
   enough, no bullshit or excess eye-candy.

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#81939

On 2026-02-11 04:51, c186282 wrote:
> On 2/10/26 08:09, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> On 2026-02-10 13:55, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 10/02/2026 10:41, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>> On 2026-02-10 05:35, rbowman wrote:
>>>>> I was messing around with a VM on another machine and loaded 
>>>>> openSUSE Leap
>>>>> 16 with GNOME. As we used to say, that sucks green donkey dicks. 
>>>>> Delete
>>>>> VM, reinstall with the KDE DE. The host box is Fedora/KDE so they look
>>>>> pretty much the same.
>>>>
>>>> Why reinstall? Just use the package manager and install plasma, 
>>>> remove gnome if you wish.
>>>>
>>> That does not always result in a clean install.
>>>
>>> deleting a test VM is trivially easy too.
>>
>> openSUSE is designed so that you can install any desktop. Even all of 
>> them at the same time.
> 
>    The user was saying, and is kind-of correct, that
>    add-on environments don't always fully/properly
>    install and may require a lot of fucking around.
>    If selected DURING initial install the results
>    are better.
> 
>    IF you don't have a lot of time vested in the VM
>    then it CAN be easier/faster to just zap it and
>    create a new one.

I have several desktops installed in most of my machines, and I don't 
notice ill effects from that.

> 
>    As for Gnome - DOES suck green donkey dicks - and
>    KDE ... hate 'em both. XFCE or LXDE for me ! JUST
>    enough, no bullshit or excess eye-candy.
> 

Wow, hate... I can not ascribe such strong sentiments to any desktop.

-- 
Cheers,
        Carlos E.R.

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#81947

On Wed, 11 Feb 2026 11:50:25 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:

> I have several desktops installed in most of my machines, and I don't
> notice ill effects from that.

You're lucky. Not everyone's experience is the same.


>>    As for Gnome - DOES suck green donkey dicks - and KDE ... hate 'em
>>    both. XFCE or LXDE for me ! JUST enough, no bullshit or excess
>>    eye-candy.
>> 
>> 
> Wow, hate... I can not ascribe such strong sentiments to any desktop.

GNOME haters is a big club. Do you know how many new DEs were created when 
GNOME3 arrived? I've never used MacOS but as I understand it Apple people 
are right at home. GNOME2 was bad enough,

I'll come right out and say it. I want a DE to look like Windows XP or 
Windows 7, not something that belongs on a phone or tablet.

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#81954

On 2026-02-11 22:05, rbowman wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Feb 2026 11:50:25 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> 
>> I have several desktops installed in most of my machines, and I don't
>> notice ill effects from that.
> 
> You're lucky. Not everyone's experience is the same.
> 
> 
>>>     As for Gnome - DOES suck green donkey dicks - and KDE ... hate 'em
>>>     both. XFCE or LXDE for me ! JUST enough, no bullshit or excess
>>>     eye-candy.
>>>
>>>
>> Wow, hate... I can not ascribe such strong sentiments to any desktop.
> 
> GNOME haters is a big club. Do you know how many new DEs were created when
> GNOME3 arrived? I've never used MacOS but as I understand it Apple people
> are right at home. GNOME2 was bad enough,
> 
> I'll come right out and say it. I want a DE to look like Windows XP or
> Windows 7, not something that belongs on a phone or tablet.

I also abandoned gnome on version 2, I think it was. Years ago. They 
changed the paradigm, I voted with my feet. But hate? No.

SUSE, the enterprise version, only ships Gnome. They consider that the 
paying enterprise clients prefer gnome. And have been doing this for 
many years. The KDE offering comes from the community instead.

-- 
Cheers,
        Carlos E.R.

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#81965

On Wed, 11 Feb 2026 23:45:28 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:

> SUSE, the enterprise version, only ships Gnome. They consider that the
> paying enterprise clients prefer gnome. And have been doing this for
> many years. The KDE offering comes from the community instead.

Okay. I haven't been keeping up on SUSE things and thought they had went 
to GNOME across the board. I was happy to see the KDE and Xfce options in 
the installer.

Way back when I went to SuSE because of KDE and yast. Maybe the people 
using SLED have different tastes.

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#81978

On 2026-02-12 05:15, rbowman wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Feb 2026 23:45:28 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> 
>> SUSE, the enterprise version, only ships Gnome. They consider that the
>> paying enterprise clients prefer gnome. And have been doing this for
>> many years. The KDE offering comes from the community instead.
> 
> Okay. I haven't been keeping up on SUSE things and thought they had went
> to GNOME across the board. I was happy to see the KDE and Xfce options in
> the installer.
> 
> Way back when I went to SuSE because of KDE and yast. Maybe the people
> using SLED have different tastes.

It is one difference between SUSE (SLES/SLED) and openSUSE.

-- 
Cheers,
        Carlos E.R.

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#81962

On 2/11/26 13:05, rbowman wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Feb 2026 11:50:25 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> 
>> I have several desktops installed in most of my machines, and I don't
>> notice ill effects from that.
> 
> You're lucky. Not everyone's experience is the same.
> 
> 
>>>     As for Gnome - DOES suck green donkey dicks - and KDE ... hate 'em
>>>     both. XFCE or LXDE for me ! JUST enough, no bullshit or excess
>>>     eye-candy.
>>>
>>>
>> Wow, hate... I can not ascribe such strong sentiments to any desktop.
> 
> GNOME haters is a big club. Do you know how many new DEs were created when
> GNOME3 arrived? I've never used MacOS but as I understand it Apple people
> are right at home. GNOME2 was bad enough,
> 
> I'll come right out and say it. I want a DE to look like Windows XP or
> Windows 7, not something that belongs on a phone or tablet.

	I want something that looks just like KDE Plasma 5 or Plasma 6 but does
not require the use of systemd.  By the way Plasma can look just like
any Windows system or any other GNU/Linux Desktop environment but I prefer
it to look like AmigaOS 3.1 but that is just because I learned more about
computing and developed my workflow there.

bliss- Dell Precision 7730- PCLOS 2026.01- Linux 6.12.68 pclos1- KDE 
Plasma 6.5.5

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#81982

On 11/02/2026 21:05, rbowman wrote:
> GNOME haters is a big club. Do you know how many new DEs were created when
> GNOME3 arrived? I've never used MacOS but as I understand it Apple people
> are right at home. GNOME2 was bad enough,
> 
Oh MAC OS is nice looking. I have used some of its features on my MATE 
desktop...

> I'll come right out and say it. I want a DE to look like Windows XP or
> Windows 7, not something that belongs on a phone or tablet.

Well absolutely. I loathe androids interface with a passion. 
Unfortunately there is no real alternative .


-- 
“It is not the truth of Marxism that explains the willingness of 
intellectuals to believe it, but the power that it confers on 
intellectuals, in their attempts to control the world. And since...it is 
futile to reason someone out of a thing that he was not reasoned into, 
we can conclude that Marxism owes its remarkable power to survive every 
criticism to the fact that it is not a truth-directed but a 
power-directed system of thought.”
Sir Roger Scruton

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#81996

On Thu, 12 Feb 2026 12:45:12 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 11/02/2026 21:05, rbowman wrote:
>> GNOME haters is a big club. Do you know how many new DEs were created
>> when GNOME3 arrived? I've never used MacOS but as I understand it Apple
>> people are right at home. GNOME2 was bad enough,
>> 
> Oh MAC OS is nice looking. I have used some of its features on my MATE
> desktop...

I'll take your word for it. I'm not an Apple hater but I've never used 
Apple devices. Well, there was the iPod shuffle that introduced my to 
iTunes. Now that interface at least on Windows is worthy of hate. What's 
wrong with just coming up as a mass storage device like every other mp3 
player in the world?

> 
>> I'll come right out and say it. I want a DE to look like Windows XP or
>> Windows 7, not something that belongs on a phone or tablet.
> 
> Well absolutely. I loathe androids interface with a passion.
> Unfortunately there is no real alternative .

A menu system would be a real PITA; my big fat peasant fingers don't taper 
to a point.  

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#82021

At 11 Feb 2026 21:05:33 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 11 Feb 2026 11:50:25 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>
> > I have several desktops installed in most of my machines, and I
> > don't notice ill effects from that.
>
> You're lucky. Not everyone's experience is the same.
>
>
> >>    As for Gnome - DOES suck green donkey dicks - and KDE ... hate
> >>    'em both. XFCE or LXDE for me ! JUST enough, no bullshit or
> >>    excess eye-candy.
> >>
> >>
> > Wow, hate... I can not ascribe such strong sentiments to any
> > desktop.
>
> GNOME haters is a big club. Do you know how many new DEs were created
> when GNOME3 arrived? I've never used MacOS but as I understand it
> Apple people are right at home. GNOME2 was bad enough,
>
> I'll come right out and say it. I want a DE to look like Windows XP or 
> Windows 7, not something that belongs on a phone or tablet.

I like Xfce as a DE, as it is simple and configures easily.

Unfortunately, the latest NVIDIA drivers have a problem with
Xfce compositing, so I can't use them.  Thus, I'm stuck here
on Linux 6.18.10 because I need fixed drivers to make the leap
to 6.19.

Stop the presses!  I just came across a workaround that doesn't
say "turn off the compositor":

https://forums.developer.nvidia.com/t/580-release-feedback-discussion/341205/1007

Haven't tried that yet, but it looks promising...

$ xfwm4 --vblank=off --replace

-- 
-v System76 Thelio Mega v1.1 x86_64 Mem: 258G
   OS: Linux 6.18.10 D: Mint 22.3 DE: Xfce 4.18 (X11)
   NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090Ti (24G) (580.105.08)
   "An error? Impossible! My modem is error correcting."

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#82022

On 2026-02-13 22:54, vallor wrote:
> At 11 Feb 2026 21:05:33 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> 
>> On Wed, 11 Feb 2026 11:50:25 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>
>>> I have several desktops installed in most of my machines, and I
>>> don't notice ill effects from that.
>>
>> You're lucky. Not everyone's experience is the same.
>>
>>
>>>>     As for Gnome - DOES suck green donkey dicks - and KDE ... hate
>>>>     'em both. XFCE or LXDE for me ! JUST enough, no bullshit or
>>>>     excess eye-candy.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Wow, hate... I can not ascribe such strong sentiments to any
>>> desktop.
>>
>> GNOME haters is a big club. Do you know how many new DEs were created
>> when GNOME3 arrived? I've never used MacOS but as I understand it
>> Apple people are right at home. GNOME2 was bad enough,
>>
>> I'll come right out and say it. I want a DE to look like Windows XP or
>> Windows 7, not something that belongs on a phone or tablet.
> 
> I like Xfce as a DE, as it is simple and configures easily.

Me too.

> 
> Unfortunately, the latest NVIDIA drivers have a problem with
> Xfce compositing, so I can't use them.  Thus, I'm stuck here
> on Linux 6.18.10 because I need fixed drivers to make the leap
> to 6.19.

I got tired of NVidia issues, so my current computers have AMD hardware 
and graphics. No more extra drivers.

> 
> Stop the presses!  I just came across a workaround that doesn't
> say "turn off the compositor":
> 
> https://forums.developer.nvidia.com/t/580-release-feedback-discussion/341205/1007
> 
> Haven't tried that yet, but it looks promising...
> 
> $ xfwm4 --vblank=off --replace
> 


-- 
Cheers,
        Carlos E.R.
        ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#82024

On Fri, 13 Feb 2026 22:59:55 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:

> I got tired of NVidia issues, so my current computers have AMD hardware
> and graphics. No more extra drivers.

I've got both Intel and AMD hardware and haven't had problems with either. 
I don't do anything that requires a GPU. It might be nice for ML stuff 
that defaults to the CPU if it can't find a CUDA device but not nice 
enough for all the headaches.

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#81920

On Tue, 10 Feb 2026 12:55:06 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 10/02/2026 10:41, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> On 2026-02-10 05:35, rbowman wrote:
>>> I was messing around with a VM on another machine and loaded openSUSE
>>> Leap 16 with GNOME. As we used to say, that sucks green donkey dicks.
>>> Delete VM, reinstall with the KDE DE. The host box is Fedora/KDE so
>>> they look pretty much the same.
>> 
>> Why reinstall? Just use the package manager and install plasma, remove
>> gnome if you wish.
>> 
> That does not always result in a clean install.
> 
> deleting a test VM is trivially easy too.

I forget the distro but it started with a GNOME2 DE and I added KDE. It 
sort of worked but it was a little fragile when updating and there were 
some strange effects. Even with i3 on top of Cinnamon and sway on top of 
KDE I'm careful about invoking GUIs from the other DE. 

With an offline iso creating a new VM is easy. That was a learning 
experience too. The openSUSE iso is 4.2 GB, too big to copy to a 
thumbdrive with the default vfat format so I had to format it to exfat. 
Neither Endeavour or LM are that big.

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#81924

On 2026-02-10 21:26, rbowman wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Feb 2026 12:55:06 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> 
>> On 10/02/2026 10:41, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>> On 2026-02-10 05:35, rbowman wrote:
>>>> I was messing around with a VM on another machine and loaded openSUSE
>>>> Leap 16 with GNOME. As we used to say, that sucks green donkey dicks.
>>>> Delete VM, reinstall with the KDE DE. The host box is Fedora/KDE so
>>>> they look pretty much the same.
>>>
>>> Why reinstall? Just use the package manager and install plasma, remove
>>> gnome if you wish.
>>>
>> That does not always result in a clean install.
>>
>> deleting a test VM is trivially easy too.
> 
> I forget the distro but it started with a GNOME2 DE and I added KDE. It
> sort of worked but it was a little fragile when updating and there were
> some strange effects. Even with i3 on top of Cinnamon and sway on top of
> KDE I'm careful about invoking GUIs from the other DE.
> 
> With an offline iso creating a new VM is easy. That was a learning
> experience too. The openSUSE iso is 4.2 GB, too big to copy to a
> thumbdrive with the default vfat format so I had to format it to exfat.
> Neither Endeavour or LM are that big.

Why copy? I don't understand. The openSUSE isos are intended to be 
"burned", they contain their own formatting and partitioning.

dd if=isofile of=/dev/sdX bs=16M status=progress

-- 
Cheers,
        Carlos E.R.

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#81925

On Tue, 10 Feb 2026 23:00:23 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:

> Why copy? I don't understand. The openSUSE isos are intended to be
> "burned", they contain their own formatting and partitioning.
> 
> dd if=isofile of=/dev/sdX bs=16M status=progress

Read up on virt-manager and QEMU/KVM.  

Why did I copy it? I downloaded the iso at the library onto a 11" netbook 
because that is convenient to carry around. With 4GB of RAM it isn't 
exactly a good choice for a VM. I could have transferred it to the target 
machine with sftp, but if I put it on a thumb drive it was one and done if 
I wanted to install a VM on one of the other boxes. 

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#81918

On Tue, 10 Feb 2026 11:41:22 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:

> On 2026-02-10 05:35, rbowman wrote:
>> I was messing around with a VM on another machine and loaded openSUSE
>> Leap 16 with GNOME. As we used to say, that sucks green donkey dicks.
>> Delete VM, reinstall with the KDE DE. The host box is Fedora/KDE so
>> they look pretty much the same.
> 
> Why reinstall? Just use the package manager and install plasma, remove
> gnome if you wish.

Because I have the offline iso. Delete the old VM and select KDE for the 
new installation and it doesn't have to phone home. The only thing I'd 
installed on the GNOME version was Vim, so it was no big deal.

The offline iso also has Xfce but my preference is KDE. I used to use SUSE 
because it was KDE when other distros tended to be GNOME. GNOME 2 on Red 
Hat Linux wasn't too bad. GNOME 3 might be acceptable if you could figure 
out the extensions but I'm not into 'ricing' a DE. Just a taskbar with the 
stuff I use would probably be good enough but I couldn't get past the 
stupid Windows 8 (MacOS?) look.

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#81893

On Tue, 10 Feb 2026 03:37:53 -0000 (UTC), Gremlin wrote:

> Dolphin is a much better file manager than Thunar, imo.

KDE used to offer Konqueror as their all-singing, all-dancing
universal browser for files, websites, man pages -- just about
everything. And it still does: just give it a suitable URL, and
it will figure out what to do.

But it seems users want a conventional file manager, like they’re
accustomed to on other GUIs, and they consider the extra functionality
to be a bug somehow, and not a feature. So the KDE folks had to oblige
with Dolphin.

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#81894

Why is it that "Common Desktop" reminds me
too much of M$/Apple ?  :-)

Screw 'common' ...

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#81895

On 2/10/26 2:31 AM, c186282 wrote:

> Why is it that "Common Desktop" reminds me
> too much of M$/Apple ?  :-)
> 
> Screw 'common' ...


I use Cinnamon on Debian, it's the greatest, it still puts the taskbar 
buttons left-justified, I keep seeing Mint screenshots where they've 
copied Win11's centering default (I changed that in Win11, right away). 
It's got the visual and tactile advantages of Windows, but is Linux.

-- 
Joel W. Crump

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#81915

On Tue, 10 Feb 2026 03:20:47 -0500, Joel W. Crump wrote:

> I use Cinnamon on Debian, it's the greatest, it still puts the taskbar
> buttons left-justified, I keep seeing Mint screenshots where they've
> copied Win11's centering default (I changed that in Win11, right away).
> It's got the visual and tactile advantages of Windows, but is Linux.

I haven't done any configuration so Linux Mint Cinnamon 22.3 left 
justifies the icons on the panel by default.

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