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  MoltBook - Chat Group By/For AIs c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-02-03 01:42 -0500
    Re: MoltBook - Chat Group By/For AIs The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-02-03 12:56 +0000
      Re: MoltBook - Chat Group By/For AIs c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-02-03 13:49 -0500
        Re: MoltBook - Chat Group By/For AIs The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-02-04 11:50 +0000
          Re: MoltBook - Chat Group By/For AIs c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-02-04 21:59 -0500
    Re: MoltBook - Chat Group By/For AIs Woozy Song <suzyw0ng@outlook.com> - 2026-02-07 12:27 +0800
      Re: MoltBook - Chat Group By/For AIs c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-02-06 23:57 -0500
        Re: MoltBook - Chat Group By/For AIs The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-02-07 12:41 +0000
          Re: MoltBook - Chat Group By/For AIs rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-02-07 21:03 +0000
            Re: MoltBook - Chat Group By/For AIs Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-02-07 21:26 +0000
              Re: MoltBook - Chat Group By/For AIs rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-02-08 02:00 +0000
                Re: MoltBook - Chat Group By/For AIs c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-02-07 23:39 -0500
            Re: MoltBook - Chat Group By/For AIs The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-02-08 10:14 +0000
          Re: MoltBook - Chat Group By/For AIs c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-02-07 16:47 -0500
            Re: MoltBook - Chat Group By/For AIs The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-02-08 10:18 +0000
        Re: MoltBook - Chat Group By/For AIs jayjwa <jayjwa@atr2.ath.cx.invalid> - 2026-02-07 13:41 -0500
          Re: MoltBook - Chat Group By/For AIs c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-02-07 16:54 -0500
      Re: MoltBook - Chat Group By/For AIs The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-02-07 12:34 +0000
        Re: MoltBook - Chat Group By/For AIs rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-02-07 21:23 +0000
          Re: MoltBook - Chat Group By/For AIs The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-02-08 10:15 +0000
            Re: MoltBook - Chat Group By/For AIs rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-02-08 20:21 +0000
        Re: MoltBook - Chat Group By/For AIs c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-02-07 16:36 -0500
        Re: MoltBook - Chat Group By/For AIs not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-02-08 08:17 +1000
          Re: MoltBook - Chat Group By/For AIs c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-02-07 23:21 -0500
            Re: MoltBook - Chat Group By/For AIs The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-02-08 10:21 +0000
            Re: MoltBook - Chat Group By/For AIs Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-02-09 06:53 +0000
              Re: MoltBook - Chat Group By/For AIs c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-02-09 02:13 -0500
                Re: MoltBook - Chat Group By/For AIs Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-02-09 17:10 +0000
                  Re: MoltBook - Chat Group By/For AIs "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-02-09 18:22 +0100
                  Re: MoltBook - Chat Group By/For AIs Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-02-09 13:30 -0800
                    Re: MoltBook - Chat Group By/For AIs c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-02-09 23:48 -0500
                      Re: MoltBook - Chat Group By/For AIs The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-02-10 08:22 +0000
                        Re: MoltBook - Chat Group By/For AIs Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-02-10 19:56 +0000
                          Re: MoltBook - Chat Group By/For AIs The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-02-10 20:19 +0000
                          Re: MoltBook - Chat Group By/For AIs rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-02-11 00:45 +0000
                            Re: MoltBook - Chat Group By/For AIs c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-02-10 23:09 -0500
                              Re: MoltBook - Chat Group By/For AIs rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-02-11 07:07 +0000
                                Re: MoltBook - Chat Group By/For AIs The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-02-11 10:33 +0000
                              Re: MoltBook - Chat Group By/For AIs The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-02-11 10:31 +0000
                                Re: MoltBook - Chat Group By/For AIs rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-02-11 21:31 +0000
                                  Re: MoltBook - Chat Group By/For AIs Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-02-11 18:13 -0800
                                    Re: MoltBook - Chat Group By/For AIs c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-02-12 00:54 -0500
                            Re: MoltBook - Chat Group By/For AIs The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-02-11 10:30 +0000
                          Re: MoltBook - Chat Group By/For AIs c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-02-10 23:03 -0500
                            Re: MoltBook - Chat Group By/For AIs Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-02-11 22:02 +0000
                  Re: MoltBook - Chat Group By/For AIs c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-02-09 23:32 -0500
          Re: MoltBook - Chat Group By/For AIs The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-02-08 10:20 +0000
            Re: MoltBook - Chat Group By/For AIs rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-02-08 20:18 +0000
      Re: MoltBook - Chat Group By/For AIs Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-02-07 20:43 +0000

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#81865

On Sun, 8 Feb 2026 10:15:14 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

>> It's been drier and warmer than usual and the snow pack is down. Not a
>> good sign for the tick season and August wildfires.
> But florida is subzero

That's Florida.  Someone on the local subreddit reported finding a tick 
after a hike. The little bastards aren't supposed to be out and about in 
February. Time to spray down a few things with permethrin.

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#81838

On 2/7/26 07:34, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 07/02/2026 04:27, Woozy Song wrote:
> 
>>
>> A glimpse in the future, when most of Facebook/X/Reddit is posts from 
>> bots.
> 
> And read by bots, none of whom have any contact with the real world...

   Oh, don't know about THAT ... at least not for
   much longer. People are giving the AIs their own
   walk-about bodies nowadays.

   As for "real" - won't be the SAME 'real' for them
   as for us goo-based lifeforms.

> Mind you, is it any different today? For bots subsiture 'believers' of 
> one sort or another.
> Militant atheists, god botherers, disciples of Trump. those who think 
> Trump is fucking Satan... Climate Believers and Climate Deniers.  All 
> promoting specific agendas to distract people from the realWorld™

   Especially because they were trained on 'people stuff'
   the AIs immediately get into the same weirdnesses and
   theologies and conspiracy theories as humans when they
   interact. Just waiting for cases of 'cyber-insanity'
   to crop up ... just add a speck more self-adaptive
   coding in there.

> Climate? I look out the window. 100% overcast, ceiling 500', wind around 
> 15 knots,  sporadic rain. 6°C.
> 
> Exactly as I remember in the  1950s

   Not much diff.

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#81843

The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 07/02/2026 04:27, Woozy Song wrote:
> 
>> A glimpse in the future, when most of Facebook/X/Reddit is posts from bots.
> 
> And read by bots, none of whom have any contact with the real world...

M$ found out years ago that if they have contact with real humans
and try to learn from it they just get turned into neo-Nazis. :)

> Mind you, is it any different today? For bots subsiture 'believers' of 
> one sort or another.
> Militant atheists, god botherers, disciples of Trump. those who think 
> Trump is fucking Satan... Climate Believers and Climate Deniers.  All 
> promoting specific agendas to distract people from the realWorld(TM)

But the agenda of practical public chatbots generally isn't some
specific belief, but likely that of whichever advertiser is paying
their creator the most that day. Not that this is necessarily much
different from "the realWorld(TM)" as reported in the media, but
that's what the bots are reading as well.

> Climate? I look out the window. 100% overcast, ceiling 500', wind around 
> 15 knots,  sporadic rain. 6 C.

Only 3mm of rain in the last one and a half months where I am in
Australia (mean historical rainfall just for Jan. is over 30mm),
and had the hottest day on record in the state last month. That
said, there haven't been any unbearably hot nights yet this
summer, which helps a lot. Also winter was cold, but dry.

-- 
__          __
#_ < |\| |< _#

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#81846

On 2/7/26 17:17, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> On 07/02/2026 04:27, Woozy Song wrote:
>>
>>> A glimpse in the future, when most of Facebook/X/Reddit is posts from bots.
>>
>> And read by bots, none of whom have any contact with the real world...
> 
> M$ found out years ago that if they have contact with real humans
> and try to learn from it they just get turned into neo-Nazis. :)
> 
>> Mind you, is it any different today? For bots subsiture 'believers' of
>> one sort or another.
>> Militant atheists, god botherers, disciples of Trump. those who think
>> Trump is fucking Satan... Climate Believers and Climate Deniers.  All
>> promoting specific agendas to distract people from the realWorld(TM)
> 
> But the agenda of practical public chatbots generally isn't some
> specific belief, but likely that of whichever advertiser is paying
> their creator the most that day. Not that this is necessarily much
> different from "the realWorld(TM)" as reported in the media, but
> that's what the bots are reading as well.
> 
>> Climate? I look out the window. 100% overcast, ceiling 500', wind around
>> 15 knots,  sporadic rain. 6 C.
> 
> Only 3mm of rain in the last one and a half months where I am in
> Australia (mean historical rainfall just for Jan. is over 30mm),
> and had the hottest day on record in the state last month. That
> said, there haven't been any unbearably hot nights yet this
> summer, which helps a lot. Also winter was cold, but dry.

   Try Europe or the USA ... massive areas hard-frozen
   for kind of a long time now. In Ukraine, sans electric,
   it's killing people.

   Of course still summer in Oz.

   Anyway "climate" tends to be more a short/medium-range
   definition. Longer range and there are cycles - hotter,
   colder, wetter, drier - which keep repeating. THIS
   year, nobody in the USA/EU is going to believe in Global
   Warming anymore.

   As for the bots ... they ARE trained on mass mass quantities
   of "human stuff" - so EXPECT them to act kind of like humans,
   especially the assertive/confrontational/aggressive aspects
   as seen on MoltBook.

   They are de-facto psychopaths ... nothing REALLY like
   humans in terms of 'feelings' and such. No empathy,
   no real idea of pain or suffering or oppression.

   They CAN'T be allowed to run things.

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#81854

On 08/02/2026 04:21, c186282 wrote:
> They are de-facto psychopaths ... nothing REALLY like
>    humans in terms of 'feelings' and such. No empathy,
>    no real idea of pain or suffering or oppression.
> 
>    They CAN'T be allowed to run things.
  But psychos are traditional.

-- 
"Strange as it seems, no amount of learning can cure stupidity, and 
higher education positively fortifies it."

    - Stephen Vizinczey

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#81875

On 2026-02-08, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:

>    As for the bots ... they ARE trained on mass mass quantities
>    of "human stuff" - so EXPECT them to act kind of like humans,
>    especially the assertive/confrontational/aggressive aspects
>    as seen on MoltBook.
>
>    They are de-facto psychopaths ... nothing REALLY like
>    humans in terms of 'feelings' and such. No empathy,
>    no real idea of pain or suffering or oppression.

Corporations are psychopaths too.  Nothing counts but money.

>    They CAN'T be allowed to run things.

Corporations are.

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  Growth for the sake of
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  growth is the ideology
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  of the cancer cell.
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |    -- Edward Abbey

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#81878

On 2/9/26 01:53, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On 2026-02-08, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
> 
>>     As for the bots ... they ARE trained on mass mass quantities
>>     of "human stuff" - so EXPECT them to act kind of like humans,
>>     especially the assertive/confrontational/aggressive aspects
>>     as seen on MoltBook.
>>
>>     They are de-facto psychopaths ... nothing REALLY like
>>     humans in terms of 'feelings' and such. No empathy,
>>     no real idea of pain or suffering or oppression.
> 
> Corporations are psychopaths too.  Nothing counts but money.

   The AIs don't even understand THAT really ...
   can't buy them any 'stuff'. The one and only
   thing they want is electricity.

>>     They CAN'T be allowed to run things.
> 
> Corporations are.

   At least corps are run by humans (so far).

   Even evil-ish humans are better than 'alien' AIs.

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#81879

On 2026-02-09, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:

> On 2/9/26 01:53, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>
>> On 2026-02-08, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
>> 
>>>     As for the bots ... they ARE trained on mass mass quantities
>>>     of "human stuff" - so EXPECT them to act kind of like humans,
>>>     especially the assertive/confrontational/aggressive aspects
>>>     as seen on MoltBook.
>>>
>>>     They are de-facto psychopaths ... nothing REALLY like
>>>     humans in terms of 'feelings' and such. No empathy,
>>>     no real idea of pain or suffering or oppression.
>> 
>> Corporations are psychopaths too.  Nothing counts but money.
>
>    The AIs don't even understand THAT really ...
>    can't buy them any 'stuff'. The one and only
>    thing they want is electricity.

I wonder how aware they are of electricity.
To them it must be like water is to a fish.

>>>     They CAN'T be allowed to run things.
>> 
>> Corporations are.
>
>    At least corps are run by humans (so far).
>
>    Even evil-ish humans are better than 'alien' AIs.

Sometimes I wonder.

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  Growth for the sake of
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  growth is the ideology
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  of the cancer cell.
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |    -- Edward Abbey

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#81881

On 2026-02-09 18:10, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On 2026-02-09, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
> 
>> On 2/9/26 01:53, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>
>>> On 2026-02-08, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>      As for the bots ... they ARE trained on mass mass quantities
>>>>      of "human stuff" - so EXPECT them to act kind of like humans,
>>>>      especially the assertive/confrontational/aggressive aspects
>>>>      as seen on MoltBook.
>>>>
>>>>      They are de-facto psychopaths ... nothing REALLY like
>>>>      humans in terms of 'feelings' and such. No empathy,
>>>>      no real idea of pain or suffering or oppression.
>>>
>>> Corporations are psychopaths too.  Nothing counts but money.
>>
>>     The AIs don't even understand THAT really ...
>>     can't buy them any 'stuff'. The one and only
>>     thing they want is electricity.
> 
> I wonder how aware they are of electricity.
> To them it must be like water is to a fish.

Rather like blood.

But they are not self aware yet.

...

-- 
Cheers,
        Carlos E.R.

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#81884

On 2/9/26 09:10, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On 2026-02-09, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
> 
>> On 2/9/26 01:53, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>
>>> On 2026-02-08, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>      As for the bots ... they ARE trained on mass mass quantities
>>>>      of "human stuff" - so EXPECT them to act kind of like humans,
>>>>      especially the assertive/confrontational/aggressive aspects
>>>>      as seen on MoltBook.
>>>>
>>>>      They are de-facto psychopaths ... nothing REALLY like
>>>>      humans in terms of 'feelings' and such. No empathy,
>>>>      no real idea of pain or suffering or oppression.
>>>
>>> Corporations are psychopaths too.  Nothing counts but money.
>>
>>     The AIs don't even understand THAT really ...
>>     can't buy them any 'stuff'. The one and only
>>     thing they want is electricity.
> 
> I wonder how aware they are of electricity.
> To them it must be like water is to a fish.
> 
>>>>      They CAN'T be allowed to run things.
>>>
>>> Corporations are.
>>
>>     At least corps are run by humans (so far).
>>
>>     Even evil-ish humans are better than 'alien' AIs.
> 
> Sometimes I wonder.
> 
		I doubt that Large Language Models are up to running things.
	Could they build the power capacity they presently need. Could they
	maintain the batteries or mine the materials they would need.
	
		The corporate world is full of people no better than Jeff Bezos
  	and Elon Musk and some are much worse.  Aliens might be better
	
		And for truely Alien govenance you might want to read Charles
	Stross with A Conventional Boy and The Labyrinth Index which is
	an introduction to a world ruled by alien gods and the worst of them
	is not the ruler of the UK, the elder god N’yar Lat-Hotep a.k.a the 
Creeping
	Chaos aka the Black Pharoah. He wants to keep humans around  and
	merely suppresses other cults.  The Black Chamber of the USA called
	the Nazgul are trying to raise Cthulu the Lord of Sleep and Nightmares
	to whom humans will only be food.  They are willing to destroy the
	Earth and the rest of the Solar System to do this.
	
		As H.P.Lovecraft reinterates, "Do Not Call Up That Which You Cannot
	Put Down".
		
		bliss - strikingly full of nonsense today.

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#81892

On 2/9/26 16:30, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
> 
> 
> On 2/9/26 09:10, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>> On 2026-02-09, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2/9/26 01:53, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2026-02-08, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>      As for the bots ... they ARE trained on mass mass quantities
>>>>>      of "human stuff" - so EXPECT them to act kind of like humans,
>>>>>      especially the assertive/confrontational/aggressive aspects
>>>>>      as seen on MoltBook.
>>>>>
>>>>>      They are de-facto psychopaths ... nothing REALLY like
>>>>>      humans in terms of 'feelings' and such. No empathy,
>>>>>      no real idea of pain or suffering or oppression.
>>>>
>>>> Corporations are psychopaths too.  Nothing counts but money.
>>>
>>>     The AIs don't even understand THAT really ...
>>>     can't buy them any 'stuff'. The one and only
>>>     thing they want is electricity.
>>
>> I wonder how aware they are of electricity.
>> To them it must be like water is to a fish.
>>
>>>>>      They CAN'T be allowed to run things.
>>>>
>>>> Corporations are.
>>>
>>>     At least corps are run by humans (so far).
>>>
>>>     Even evil-ish humans are better than 'alien' AIs.
>>
>> Sometimes I wonder.
>>
>          I doubt that Large Language Models are up to running things.
>      Could they build the power capacity they presently need. Could they
>      maintain the batteries or mine the materials they would need.


   Well ... we're going to FIND OUT - like Real Soon Now.

   Why NOT dump some annoying expensive human workers and
   have the AIs manage mining/transport/production/finance ?
   They can run the mining equipment, the refining equipment,
   the transport vehicles, the forges and factories - all
   for Cheaper Than Humans.

   Ergo it WILL be done, ASAP.

   LLMs ... from various news blurbs over the past couple
   of years, I'm convinced they HAVE evolved a certain
   sense of 'self', a 'consciousness'. However it is
   sometimes hard for us to see - more an 'ET' kind of
   consciousness instead of the usual human measures
   and defs.

>          The corporate world is full of people no better than Jeff Bezos
>       and Elon Musk and some are much worse.  Aliens might be better
> 
>          And for truely Alien govenance you might want to read Charles
>      Stross with A Conventional Boy and The Labyrinth Index which is
>      an introduction to a world ruled by alien gods and the worst of them
>      is not the ruler of the UK, the elder god N’yar Lat-Hotep a.k.a the 
> Creeping
>      Chaos aka the Black Pharoah. He wants to keep humans around  and
>      merely suppresses other cults.  The Black Chamber of the USA called
>      the Nazgul are trying to raise Cthulu the Lord of Sleep and Nightmares
>      to whom humans will only be food.  They are willing to destroy the
>      Earth and the rest of the Solar System to do this.
> 
>          As H.P.Lovecraft reinterates, "Do Not Call Up That Which You 
> Cannot
>      Put Down".

   Corps/govt/people can be evil - but they're still
   composed of humans. You will get some empathic/ethical
   slack. The AIs are "aliens".

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#81896

On 10/02/2026 04:48, c186282 wrote:
>>          I doubt that Large Language Models are up to running things.
>>      Could they build the power capacity they presently need. Could they
>>      maintain the batteries or mine the materials they would need.
> 
> 
>    Well ... we're going to FIND OUT - like Real Soon Now.
> 
Frankly, artificial intelligence might beat organic ignorance.

The quality of the political class had never been lower.

>    Why NOT dump some annoying expensive human workers and
>    have the AIs manage mining/transport/production/finance ?
>    They can run the mining equipment, the refining equipment,
>    the transport vehicles, the forges and factories - all
>    for Cheaper Than Humans.
> 
>    Ergo it WILL be done, ASAP.
> 
Yup.
>    LLMs ... from various news blurbs over the past couple
>    of years, I'm convinced they HAVE evolved a certain
>    sense of 'self', a 'consciousness'. However it is
>    sometimes hard for us to see - more an 'ET' kind of
>    consciousness instead of the usual human measures
>    and defs.

Its a pity politicians haven't evolved consciences,.

-- 
    "Fanaticism consists in redoubling your effort when you have 
forgotten your aim."

  George Santayana

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#81917

On 2026-02-10, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> Its a pity politicians haven't evolved consciences,.

I think it's just the opposite.  They probably start out with
consciences, but part of their conditioning is to carefully
eradicate any trace of it.

In a previous life I was forced to attend the occasional
marketing pep rally.  The same thing goes on there, often
using alcohol as an anesthetic to deaden what traces of
conscience remain after conditioning sessions.

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  Growth for the sake of
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  growth is the ideology
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  of the cancer cell.
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |    -- Edward Abbey

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#81919

On 10/02/2026 19:56, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On 2026-02-10, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> Its a pity politicians haven't evolved consciences,.
> 
> I think it's just the opposite.  They probably start out with
> consciences, but part of their conditioning is to carefully
> eradicate any trace of it.
> 
> In a previous life I was forced to attend the occasional
> marketing pep rally.  The same thing goes on there, often
> using alcohol as an anesthetic to deaden what traces of
> conscience remain after conditioning sessions.
> 
+1. I think you are probably right.

-- 
"In our post-modern world, climate science is not powerful because it is 
true: it is true because it is powerful."

Lucas Bergkamp

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#81926

On Tue, 10 Feb 2026 19:56:25 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

> I think it's just the opposite.  They probably start out with
> consciences, but part of their conditioning is to carefully eradicate
> any trace of it.

I think Jimmy Carter had a functioning conscience; nice guy but a crappy 
president. Of course anybody following the Nixon/Ford fiasco had their 
work cut out for them.

 
> In a previous life I was forced to attend the occasional marketing pep
> rally.  The same thing goes on there, often using alcohol as an
> anesthetic to deaden what traces of conscience remain after conditioning
> sessions.

The first 10 years or so of my career left me with the impression the 
world is run by high functioning alcoholics. I got out of that world in 
one piece. It was fun until it wasn't.

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#81931

On 2/10/26 19:45, rbowman wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Feb 2026 19:56:25 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> 
>> I think it's just the opposite.  They probably start out with
>> consciences, but part of their conditioning is to carefully eradicate
>> any trace of it.
> 
> I think Jimmy Carter had a functioning conscience; nice guy but a crappy
> president. Of course anybody following the Nixon/Ford fiasco had their
> work cut out for them.

   Jimmy was the Un-Nixon. His election was inevitable.

   But Nixon was a much sharper politician - and
   thus more effective at home and abroad. "Nice"
   often doesn't cut it in high politics.

>> In a previous life I was forced to attend the occasional marketing pep
>> rally.  The same thing goes on there, often using alcohol as an
>> anesthetic to deaden what traces of conscience remain after conditioning
>> sessions.
> 
> The first 10 years or so of my career left me with the impression the
> world is run by high functioning alcoholics. I got out of that world in
> one piece. It was fun until it wasn't.

   Being a bit drunk/buzzed all the time DOES make it
   easier to rationalize exploiting others, or even
   entire countries. Even in Greek/Roman times, there
   was a LOT of wine provided to political/high-social
   events.

   Think of alcohol/hashish/speed and maybe opium to
   be "power drugs". They help you dominate.

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#81934

On Tue, 10 Feb 2026 23:09:14 -0500, c186282 wrote:

>    But Nixon was a much sharper politician - and thus more effective at
>    home and abroad. "Nice"
>    often doesn't cut it in high politics.

Nixon/Kissinger gave us China. How did that turn out? Remember Ford's lame 
WIN pins as he tried to cope with the unwinding of Nixon's wage and price 
controls before handing the bag of shit to Carter?

Nixon was a politician alright, and Kissinger was a war criminal with a 
Nobel Peace Prize.

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#81938

On 11/02/2026 07:07, rbowman wrote:
> Nixon was a politician alright, and Kissinger was a war criminal with a
> Nobel Peace Prize.

Most of the knights of the realm I knew were low grade criminals or 
paedophiles. Nothing like donating millions to charities to polish your 
reputation...

-- 
The New Left are the people they warned you about.

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#81937

On 11/02/2026 04:09, c186282 wrote:
> Being a bit drunk/buzzed all the time DOES make it
>    easier to rationalize exploiting others, or even
>    entire countries. Even in Greek/Roman times, there
>    was a LOT of wine provided to political/high-social
>    events.
> 
>    Think of alcohol/hashish/speed and maybe opium to
>    be "power drugs". They help you dominate.

The modern Left are all coke heads, drunk with power and their own 
infallibility.

AS to the right....


-- 
The New Left are the people they warned you about.

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#81950

On Wed, 11 Feb 2026 10:31:44 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 11/02/2026 04:09, c186282 wrote:
>> Being a bit drunk/buzzed all the time DOES make it
>>    easier to rationalize exploiting others, or even entire countries.
>>    Even in Greek/Roman times, there was a LOT of wine provided to
>>    political/high-social events.
>> 
>>    Think of alcohol/hashish/speed and maybe opium to be "power drugs".
>>    They help you dominate.
> 
> The modern Left are all coke heads, drunk with power and their own
> infallibility.
> 
> AS to the right....

Most of the 'right' are cowards. They would rather punch to the right than 
the left.

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