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| Started by | Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> |
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| First post | 2025-11-29 12:45 -0700 |
| Last post | 2025-12-13 08:25 +0000 |
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Re: Recent history of vi Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-11-29 12:45 -0700
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-30 10:37 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-30 11:06 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-30 16:20 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-01 08:54 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-13 08:22 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-12-13 11:55 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-13 14:44 +0000
Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-13 23:35 +0100
Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-14 01:48 +0000
Re: Python drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) - 2025-12-14 20:00 +0000
Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-14 20:43 +0000
Re: Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-15 02:40 -0500
Re: Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-15 18:48 +0000
Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-15 21:43 +0000
Re: Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-15 18:45 +0000
Re: Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-15 18:44 +0000
Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-15 22:17 +0000
Re: Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-15 23:55 +0000
Re: Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-19 22:57 +0100
Re: Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-13 23:27 -0500
Re: Python Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-12-14 11:56 +0000
Re: Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-14 23:29 +0000
Re: Python mm0fmf <none@invalid.com> - 2025-12-15 12:57 +0000
Re: Python Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-12-15 22:57 +0100
Re: Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-15 22:31 -0500
Re: Python Greg Ewing <greg.ewing@canterbury.ac.nz> - 2025-12-16 17:51 +1300
Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-16 08:32 +0000
Re: Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-16 21:45 +0000
Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-17 01:54 +0000
Re: Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-17 03:11 -0500
Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-17 19:17 +0000
Re: Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-17 22:10 -0500
Re: Python John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-12-18 03:28 +0000
Re: Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-17 23:02 -0500
Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-18 06:54 +0000
Re: Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-18 04:25 -0500
Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-18 19:22 +0000
Re: Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-19 01:14 -0500
Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-18 06:44 +0000
Re: Python Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-12-18 07:40 -0700
Re: Python Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-18 18:00 +0000
Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-18 18:28 +0000
Re: Python Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-12-18 12:52 -0700
Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-19 03:53 +0000
Re: Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-19 00:37 -0500
Re: Python "Michael F. Stemper" <michael.stemper@gmail.com> - 2026-03-04 10:32 -0600
Re: Python ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2026-03-04 20:01 +0000
Re: Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-03-04 21:29 +0100
Re: Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-04 20:37 +0000
Re: Python Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-03-04 14:09 -0700
Re: Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-04 22:35 +0000
Re: Python Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-04 23:10 +0000
Re: Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-03-04 20:30 -0500
Re: Python Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-03-04 20:13 -0700
Re: Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-05 03:49 +0000
Re: Python Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-03-05 17:42 +0000
Re: Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-03-05 20:02 +0100
Re: Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-03-05 14:42 -0500
Re: Python Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-06 00:12 +0000
Re: Python Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2026-03-06 09:02 +0000
Re: Python Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-03-05 02:44 +0000
Re: Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-05 03:50 +0000
Re: Python Piergiorgio Sartor <piergiorgio.sartor.this.should.not.be.used@nexgo.REMOVETHIS.de> - 2026-03-04 22:14 +0100
Re: Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-04 22:20 +0000
Re: Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-19 00:29 -0500
Re: Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-20 12:38 +0100
Re: Python Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2025-12-17 16:17 -0500
Re: Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-17 22:11 +0000
Re: Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-17 22:18 -0500
Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-18 07:07 +0000
Re: Python Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-17 22:13 +0000
Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-18 00:52 +0000
Re: Python Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-12-18 08:03 +0100
Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-18 07:39 +0000
Re: Python scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-12-18 15:43 +0000
Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-18 18:38 +0000
Re: Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-19 00:56 -0500
Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-19 08:18 +0000
Re: Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-19 03:30 -0500
Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-19 19:38 +0000
Re: Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-20 04:01 -0500
Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-21 04:08 +0000
Re: Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-27 22:36 +0100
Re: Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-18 09:55 +0000
Re: Python Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-12-18 11:19 +0100
Re: Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-18 12:36 +0000
Re: Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-14 23:36 -0500
Re: Python candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-12-19 13:30 +0000
Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-19 19:50 +0000
Re: Python scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-12-19 20:03 +0000
Re: Python Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-12-19 21:00 +0000
Re: Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-20 04:16 -0500
Re: Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-20 04:15 -0500
Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-21 04:14 +0000
Re: Python Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-12-21 09:06 -0500
Re: Python drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) - 2025-12-21 18:31 +0000
Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-21 21:00 +0000
Re: Python Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-12-22 07:29 +0100
Linux at work in the old days Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-12-22 07:20 -0500
Re: Linux at work in the old days rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-22 19:18 +0000
Re: Linux at work in the old days c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-23 01:41 -0500
Re: Linux at work in the old days Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-12-23 07:26 -0700
Re: Linux at work in the old days Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-23 20:21 +0000
Re: naughty Python John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-12-22 21:26 +0000
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-23 00:49 +0000
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-23 01:55 -0500
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-23 11:21 +0000
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-23 06:34 -0500
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-23 12:38 +0000
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-23 20:28 +0000
Re: naughty Python Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-23 14:21 -0800
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-23 23:55 +0000
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-24 05:33 -0500
The power of languages (Re: naughty Python) Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-24 15:49 +0000
Re: The power of languages (Re: naughty Python) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-24 23:28 +0000
Re: The power of languages (Re: naughty Python) Thomas Prufer <prufer.public@mnet-online.de.invalid> - 2025-12-27 15:29 +0100
Re: The power of languages (Re: naughty Python) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-27 21:21 +0000
Re: The power of languages (Re: naughty Python) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-27 23:17 +0000
Re: The power of languages (Re: naughty Python) Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-28 04:09 +0000
Re: The power of languages (Re: naughty Python) Bob Vloon <usenet@bananacorp.nl.invalid> - 2025-12-28 18:00 +0000
Re: naughty Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-28 22:22 +0100
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-28 21:06 -0500
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-29 04:04 +0000
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-29 01:07 -0500
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-29 06:38 +0000
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-29 02:31 -0500
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-29 17:09 +0000
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-29 13:35 +0000
Re: naughty Python Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-12-29 07:33 -0700
Re: naughty Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-29 21:59 +0000
Re: naughty Python John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-12-29 15:40 -0800
Re: naughty Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-30 01:30 +0000
Re: naughty Python John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-12-30 08:57 -0800
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-30 12:51 -0500
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-30 19:00 +0000
Re: naughty Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-30 19:06 +0000
Re: naughty Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-30 09:38 +0100
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-30 11:11 +0000
Re: naughty Python Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-12-30 07:38 -0700
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-30 15:04 +0000
Innovation (was Re: naughty Python) Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-30 21:40 +0000
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-30 22:02 +0000
Re: naughty Python Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-12-29 19:23 -0700
Re: naughty Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-30 03:53 +0000
OT: incompetence of companies (was: Re: naughty Python) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-30 10:03 +0000
Re: OT: incompetence of companies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-30 11:12 +0000
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-30 03:14 -0500
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-30 11:18 +0000
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-30 21:49 +0000
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-30 19:47 -0500
Re: naughty Python Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-31 01:01 +0000
Re: naughty Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-31 03:07 +0000
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-30 23:45 -0500
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-31 07:12 +0000
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-30 23:11 -0500
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-31 07:57 +0000
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-31 09:13 -0500
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-31 19:13 +0000
Re: naughty Python Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-31 18:55 +0000
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-31 14:21 -0500
Re: naughty Python Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-31 22:34 +0000
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-31 22:32 -0500
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-31 22:35 +0000
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-31 22:07 -0500
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-01 12:49 +0000
Re: naughty Python Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-01 07:28 -0700
Re: naughty Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-01 15:55 +0100
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 02:40 -0500
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-02 19:29 +0000
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 15:18 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-02 22:22 +0100
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-03 08:31 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-03 20:12 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-04 07:56 -0700
Re: naughty Pascal Don_from_AZ <djatechNOSPAM@comcast.net.invalid> - 2026-01-04 09:22 -0700
Re: naughty Pascal Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-04 21:16 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-04 21:00 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-04 15:11 +0100
Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-05 10:49 -0800
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-05 19:57 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-05 20:37 -0700
Re: naughty Pascal Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-06 04:10 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-05 23:21 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-06 06:28 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-06 18:57 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-06 16:04 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-06 14:22 -0800
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-06 20:47 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-07 02:00 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-06 22:37 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-07 08:56 -0800
Re: naughty Pascal Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-08 04:57 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Ian <${send-direct-email-to-news1021-at-jusme-dot-com-if-you-must}@jusme.com> - 2026-01-08 09:57 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-07 08:57 -0800
Re: naughty Pascal Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-01-07 09:41 -0800
Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-07 10:29 -0800
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-07 22:33 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-08 04:57 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-08 00:42 -0500
Re: Naughty Advertising (was Re: naughty Pascal) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-08 07:01 +0000
Re: Naughty Advertising (was Re: naughty Pascal) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-08 08:45 -0800
Re: Naughty Advertising (was Re: naughty Pascal) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-08 18:23 +0000
Re: Naughty Advertising (was Re: naughty Pascal) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-08 19:16 +0000
Re: Naughty Advertising (was Re: naughty Pascal) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-08 20:11 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-08 11:27 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-08 19:16 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-08 20:23 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-09 01:48 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-01-08 19:32 -0800
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-08 23:36 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-09 06:44 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-08 18:46 -0800
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-08 22:15 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-08 20:13 -0800
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-08 23:40 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-08 22:23 -0800
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-09 07:04 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-09 07:58 -0800
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-09 18:47 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-09 20:08 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-09 10:00 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-09 08:06 -0800
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-09 18:51 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-09 10:54 -0800
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-09 20:36 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-09 13:24 -0800
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-10 10:27 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-10 07:42 -0700
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-10 19:44 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-10 13:03 -0700
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-10 23:56 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-11 11:02 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-01-10 15:39 -0800
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-11 11:05 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-11 21:49 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-11 21:19 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-12 07:45 -0700
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-12 18:35 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-12 20:52 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-12 20:58 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-13 06:03 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-13 12:45 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-12 14:26 -0800
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-12 18:17 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-13 06:26 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-13 09:26 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-13 05:56 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-20 14:26 +0100
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-20 13:29 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-11 11:01 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-10 18:23 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-01-10 15:50 -0800
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-10 22:48 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-11 11:19 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-11 11:17 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-11 11:07 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-11 16:47 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-11 19:44 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2026-01-10 12:14 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-10 09:45 -0800
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-09 20:32 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-10 20:51 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-10 20:03 -0700
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-10 22:31 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-11 05:39 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-11 01:17 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-11 11:00 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-11 11:47 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-11 11:29 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2026-01-11 17:44 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-11 19:46 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2026-01-11 20:23 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-11 20:30 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2026-01-11 21:17 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-11 18:05 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-11 17:58 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-12 03:47 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-12 23:41 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-12 22:58 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-13 05:40 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-13 07:41 -0700
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-13 12:38 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-13 18:00 +0000
Naughty Cat Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-13 14:29 -0500
Re: Naughty Cat rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-14 00:42 +0000
Re: Naughty Cat Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-14 07:27 -0700
Re: naughty Pascal scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-13 19:34 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-14 00:49 +0000
Tinned tuna [Was: naughty Pascal] "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-20 14:58 +0100
Oil down the drain [Was: naughty Pascal] "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-20 14:53 +0100
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-11 20:57 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-12 11:50 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-12 18:31 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-11 07:43 -0700
Re: naughty Pascal scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-11 16:44 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-11 21:34 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2026-01-11 21:38 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-12 08:11 -0800
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-12 18:45 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-12 19:52 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-13 05:22 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-13 00:37 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-13 08:18 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-12 13:15 -0700
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-12 18:10 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-12 00:47 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-12 04:10 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-12 15:44 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-12 18:52 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-12 20:46 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-12 18:12 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-13 05:50 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-13 12:41 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-13 18:17 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-13 22:41 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-14 01:01 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-16 21:40 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Daniel <me@sc1f1dan.com> - 2026-01-18 12:30 -0800
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-18 21:08 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-19 16:22 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-13 09:23 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-12 08:25 -0800
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-12 18:22 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-11 11:26 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-11 21:35 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-12 11:57 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-12 23:41 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-13 06:32 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Harold Stevens <wookie@aspen.localdomain> - 2026-01-13 04:35 -0600
Re: naughty Pascal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-20 15:38 +0100
Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-09 09:36 -0800
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-09 06:58 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-01-09 09:19 -0800
Re: naughty Pascal Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-07 06:33 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-07 09:55 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-07 21:46 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-08 04:57 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-07 18:48 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-07 06:33 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-07 07:31 -0700
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-05 23:18 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-06 07:42 -0700
Re: naughty Pascal Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-06 20:01 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-07 07:27 -0700
Re: naughty Pascal antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-01-06 22:32 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-06 20:53 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-01-07 11:51 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-06 08:20 -0800
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-06 10:15 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-06 06:33 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-06 19:20 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-06 09:14 -0800
Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-05 12:33 -0700
Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-05 11:50 -0800
Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-05 13:37 -0800
Re: naughty Pascal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-06 13:19 +0100
Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-06 08:30 -0800
Re: naughty Pascal cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-01-06 17:04 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-06 16:30 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-07 13:40 +0100
Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-07 07:47 -0700
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-07 20:08 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-07 20:18 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-08 04:57 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-08 00:36 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-08 07:00 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-08 08:33 -0800
Re: naughty Pascal Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-08 20:00 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-08 20:21 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-08 22:45 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-08 23:52 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-09 16:03 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-08 07:51 -0700
Re: naughty Pascal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-07 13:38 +0100
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-07 22:03 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-07 19:21 -0700
Re: naughty Pascal Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-08 02:26 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-07 23:20 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-08 11:20 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-08 08:34 -0800
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-08 20:19 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-09 01:42 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-09 09:57 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-08 14:43 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-08 20:15 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-09 01:44 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-09 09:56 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-08 19:28 -0700
Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-08 07:47 -0700
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-08 19:52 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-08 22:45 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-09 01:35 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-09 10:02 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-09 08:16 -0700
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-09 18:46 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-09 20:40 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-09 20:38 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-09 20:56 -0700
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-10 10:58 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-01-10 03:12 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-10 19:39 +0000
Re: naughty useless code (was Re: naughty Pascal) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-10 20:52 +0000
Re: naughty useless code (was Re: naughty Pascal) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-11 00:02 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-09 16:04 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-08 20:54 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-09 06:36 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-09 08:13 -0700
Re: Naughty PL/I (was Re: naughty Pascal) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-09 18:38 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-01-10 14:40 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-10 20:50 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-11 02:00 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-11 16:55 +0000
Re: Naughty Fortran (was Re: naughty Pascal) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-11 20:24 +0000
Re: Naughty Fortran (was Re: naughty Pascal) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-11 18:00 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-11 21:31 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-08 19:49 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-08 20:43 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-10 19:39 +0000
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-10 20:47 +0000
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-11 00:27 +0000
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-10 18:41 -0800
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-10 20:06 -0700
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-10 22:44 -0500
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-11 07:40 -0700
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-11 03:50 +0000
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Harold Stevens <wookie@aspen.localdomain> - 2026-01-11 05:55 -0600
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-01-11 14:18 +0000
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2026-01-11 17:00 +0100
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-11 20:44 +0000
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-12 11:49 +0000
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-12 07:52 -0700
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-12 17:03 +0000
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-12 19:57 +0000
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-12 20:05 +0000
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2026-01-12 20:16 +0000
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-13 05:01 +0000
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2026-01-13 06:31 +0000
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-13 08:09 +0000
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2026-01-13 14:21 +0000
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-13 17:54 +0000
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-13 04:46 +0000
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-13 04:31 +0000
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-12 19:56 +0000
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-13 00:24 +0000
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-13 00:36 +0000
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-12 23:04 -0500
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-11 01:52 -0500
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-10 23:34 -0800
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-11 02:50 -0500
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-01-11 14:55 +0000
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-01-12 02:42 +0000
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-12 07:50 -0700
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-12 09:14 -0800
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-12 13:12 -0700
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Harold Stevens <wookie@aspen.localdomain> - 2026-01-12 14:48 -0600
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-11 07:48 -0700
Re: naughty Pascal antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-01-11 01:32 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-11 11:21 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-06 19:22 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-07 13:41 +0100
Re: naughty Pascal Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-05 21:42 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-05 20:33 -0700
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-05 22:58 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-05 20:27 -0700
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-05 22:54 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-06 07:40 -0700
Re: naughty Pascal Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-06 04:09 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-06 10:10 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-06 07:46 -0700
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-06 17:19 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-06 12:39 -0700
Re: naughty Pascal cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-01-06 19:56 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-07 06:33 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-07 09:44 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-06 19:57 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-06 21:53 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-06 19:17 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-06 16:06 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-01-06 23:44 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-07 09:57 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-07 09:56 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-07 22:08 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-08 11:21 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-08 04:57 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-08 00:41 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-08 11:26 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-08 19:59 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-08 22:45 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-08 21:00 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-08 20:00 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-08 20:09 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-09 02:02 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-09 10:05 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-09 16:02 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-09 18:48 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-09 20:27 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-10 10:15 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-06 15:31 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-06 10:39 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-06 09:25 -0800
Re: naughty Pascal scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-05 20:35 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-06 13:25 +0100
Re: naughty Pascal Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-06 20:00 +0000
Re: naughty Python Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-02 14:51 -0700
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-01 21:00 +0000
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-01 21:43 +0000
Re: naughty Python antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-01-01 23:54 +0000
Re: naughty Python Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-01 20:14 -0700
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-02 06:03 +0000
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-02 11:02 +0000
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-02 05:59 +0000
Re: naughty Python ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2026-01-02 06:01 +0000
Re: naughty Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-02 06:58 +0000
Re: naughty Python ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2026-01-02 17:14 +0000
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 14:58 -0500
Re: naughty Python ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2026-01-02 21:11 +0000
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 05:37 -0500
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-02 11:04 +0000
Re: naughty Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-02 12:24 +0100
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 06:51 -0500
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-02 19:56 +0000
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-02 10:59 +0000
Re: naughty Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-02 12:27 +0100
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 06:54 -0500
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-02 11:57 +0000
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 07:10 -0500
Re: naughty Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-02 14:34 +0100
Re: naughty Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-02 14:38 +0100
Re: naughty Python John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-02 08:49 -0800
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-01-02 18:26 +0000
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 15:08 -0500
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-01-02 20:32 +0000
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-03 00:08 +0000
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-01-03 02:47 +0000
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-03 07:03 -0500
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-03 19:43 +0000
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-04 06:42 -0500
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-04 20:29 +0000
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-04 15:14 +0100
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-04 09:43 -0500
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-04 19:41 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-04 21:18 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-04 19:04 -0500
Re: Naughty C♯ rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-05 03:55 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-05 11:29 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-05 06:59 -0500
Re: Naughty C♯ Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-05 06:55 -0500
Re: Naughty C♯ rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-05 17:43 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2026-01-05 18:08 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-05 20:32 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-05 17:25 -0500
Re: Naughty C♯ Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-01-06 07:55 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-06 06:19 -0500
Re: Naughty C♯ c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-05 08:26 -0500
Re: Naughty C♯ rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-05 18:09 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-05 18:16 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-05 05:57 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-05 17:48 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-05 18:09 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-05 18:20 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-05 18:24 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-05 21:44 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-05 19:31 -0500
Re: Naughty C♯ antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-01-06 12:16 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-06 11:12 -0500
Re: Naughty C♯ cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-01-06 16:25 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-06 17:59 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-01-06 19:59 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-06 21:57 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-01-07 13:37 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-07 15:30 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-06 17:26 +0000
Re: Re: Naughty C♯ cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-01-06 17:50 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-06 19:06 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-06 16:24 -0500
Re: Naughty C♯ antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-01-06 23:10 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-07 00:22 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-06 21:00 -0500
Re: Naughty C♯ rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-07 21:24 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-01-08 01:00 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-07 06:33 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-07 15:27 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-07 21:29 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-07 10:02 +0000
Re: Re: Naughty C♯ cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-01-07 11:53 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-07 07:34 -0700
Re: Re: Naughty C♯ cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-01-07 15:13 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-07 12:20 -0700
Re: Naughty C♯ John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-07 11:40 -0800
Re: Naughty C♯ Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-07 20:20 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-07 21:36 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-07 20:09 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-06 13:36 +0100
Re: Naughty C♯ Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-06 07:55 -0700
Re: Naughty PL/I (was Re: Naughty C♯) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-06 20:04 +0000
What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-01-06 15:15 +0000
Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-06 18:57 +0000
Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-06 20:10 +0000
Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-06 21:59 +0000
Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-06 22:54 +0000
Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-07 01:40 +0000
Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-07 06:33 +0000
Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-07 13:30 +0100
Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-07 22:49 +0000
Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-08 00:47 -0500
Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-08 11:23 +0000
Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-08 19:16 +0000
Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-08 20:34 +0000
Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-08 22:45 +0000
Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) sean@conman.org - 2026-01-09 00:23 +0000
Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-09 04:54 +0000
Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-09 07:08 +0000
Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-09 16:18 +0000
Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-12 15:44 +0100
Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-12 18:57 +0000
Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-12 19:59 +0000
Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-13 06:13 -0500
Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-13 18:22 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-06 17:17 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-06 18:59 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-05 11:26 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-05 03:34 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-05 08:24 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-05 19:06 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-05 06:50 -0500
Re: Naughty C♯ Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-01-06 08:03 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-06 19:11 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ Bob Vloon <usenet@bananacorp.nl.invalid> - 2026-01-07 12:01 +0000
Re: Naughty Java (was Re: Naughty C♯) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-07 20:18 +0000
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-05 03:09 +0000
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-05 13:31 +0100
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-04 20:04 +0000
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-05 13:25 +0100
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-05 15:47 +0000
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-05 21:45 +0000
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-05 09:20 -0800
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2026-01-05 18:10 +0000
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-05 21:45 +0000
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2026-01-05 23:28 +0000
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-06 00:14 +0000
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-06 00:23 +0000
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-06 00:57 +0000
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-06 06:24 +0000
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-06 08:14 -0800
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-06 18:57 +0000
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-06 11:03 -0800
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-07 06:33 +0000
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-07 09:00 -0800
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-07 12:23 -0500
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-08 14:01 +0100
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2026-01-07 20:55 +0000
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-06 20:58 +0000
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-07 09:48 +0000
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-07 20:17 +0000
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-08 04:57 +0000
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-06 15:29 +0000
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-06 06:21 -0500
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-05 18:13 +0000
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-05 18:16 +0000
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-04 19:48 +0000
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-05 13:37 +0100
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-04 21:17 +0000
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-05 04:01 +0000
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-05 07:07 -0500
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-05 11:05 -0800
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-03 18:32 +0000
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-02 19:38 +0000
Re: naughty Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-02 21:33 +0000
Re: naughty Python Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-02 15:00 -0700
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-03 00:52 +0000
Re: naughty Python Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-02 19:51 -0700
Re: naughty Python Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-03 06:09 +0000
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-03 20:38 +0000
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-03 16:58 -0500
Re: naughty Python Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-04 08:01 -0700
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-04 16:25 -0500
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-05 04:12 +0000
Re: naughty Python Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-04 07:14 -0500
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-04 20:25 +0000
Re: naughty Python Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-04 07:59 -0700
Re: naughty Python Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2026-01-04 16:31 +0000
Re: naughty Python Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-04 19:41 +0000
Re: naughty Python Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2026-01-04 20:05 +0000
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-05 04:17 +0000
Re: naughty Python Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-05 05:57 +0000
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-05 19:20 +0000
Re: naughty Python Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-05 17:35 -0500
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-06 06:36 +0000
Re: naughty Python Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-01-06 03:31 +0000
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-06 10:20 +0000
Case-dependant file systems Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-01-06 18:48 +0000
Re: Case-dependent file systems Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-06 22:02 +0000
Re: Case-dependent file systems Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-01-07 00:27 +0000
Re: Case-dependent file systems Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-07 02:09 +0000
Re: Case-dependent file systems Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-01-07 14:18 +0000
Re: Case-dependent file systems Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-07 20:40 +0000
Re: Case-dependent file systems Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-07 22:23 +0000
Re: Case-dependent file systems Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-01-10 14:36 +0000
Re: Case-dependent file systems Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-01-10 14:53 +0000
Re: Case-dependent file systems Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-10 15:08 +0000
Re: Case-dependent file systems Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-11 02:00 +0000
Re: Case-dependent file systems Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-01-11 14:34 +0000
Re: Case-dependent file systems Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-01-11 16:14 +0000
Re: Case-dependent file systems Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-11 20:31 +0000
Re: Case-dependent file systems Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-01-11 21:38 +0000
Re: Case-dependant file systems Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-06 23:09 +0000
Re: Case-dependant file systems "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-08 14:17 +0100
Re: Case-dependant file systems The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-08 13:36 +0000
Re: Case-dependant file systems Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-01-08 14:05 +0000
Re: Case-dependant file systems Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-01-08 14:15 +0000
Re: Case-dependant file systems Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-08 14:02 +0000
Re: Case-dependant file systems Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-01-08 14:13 +0000
Re: Case-dependant file systems Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-08 22:12 +0000
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-06 21:08 +0000
Re: C structures, was naughty Python John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-01-02 22:41 +0000
Re: C structures, was naughty Python John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-02 15:44 -0800
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 02:19 -0500
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 02:08 -0500
Re: naughty Python Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-02 02:18 +0000
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-31 21:57 +0000
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-31 20:07 -0500
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-01 12:17 +0000
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 00:06 -0500
Re: language design, naughty Python John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-01-02 18:30 +0000
Re: language design, naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 15:15 -0500
Re: language design, naughty Python John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-01-02 20:34 +0000
Re: language design, naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-03 00:17 +0000
Re: language design, naughty Python Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-03 07:11 -0500
Re: language design, naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-03 19:46 +0000
Re: language design, naughty Python Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-04 06:45 -0500
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-31 03:05 +0000
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-30 23:42 -0500
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-31 07:55 +0000
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-31 09:12 -0500
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-31 19:03 +0000
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-31 14:50 -0500
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-31 12:39 +0000
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-31 09:21 -0500
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-31 15:08 +0000
Re: naughty Python Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-31 15:38 +0000
Re: naughty Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-31 20:41 +0000
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-01 00:55 +0000
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-31 22:11 -0500
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-01 13:09 +0000
The Egg (was: Re: naughty Python) vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2026-01-02 01:54 +0000
Re: naughty Python Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-02 02:18 +0000
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-02 11:10 +0000
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 06:39 -0500
Re: naughty Python Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-02 07:51 -0700
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-02 19:34 +0000
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-01 12:12 +0000
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-31 22:17 +0000
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-31 11:46 -0500
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-31 22:28 +0000
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-31 21:50 -0500
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-01 12:37 +0000
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 01:15 -0500
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-02 11:35 +0000
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-02 20:02 +0000
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-31 12:23 +0000
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-31 09:16 -0500
Re: naughty Python antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-01-01 10:30 +0000
Re: naughty Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-01 19:00 +0000
Re: naughty Python Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-01 19:12 +0000
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-01 20:10 +0000
Re: naughty Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-01 21:37 +0100
Re: naughty Python Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-02 02:18 +0000
Re: naughty Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-02 03:23 +0000
Re: naughty Python Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-02 04:56 +0000
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-02 06:24 +0000
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-02 06:32 +0000
Re: naughty Python "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-01-02 13:06 +0000
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 09:41 -0500
Electronic calculators "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-02 21:57 +0100
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-02 19:36 +0000
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-02 19:57 +0000
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-03 01:07 +0000
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-03 08:36 +0000
Re: naughty Python antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-01-03 08:50 +0000
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-03 10:54 +0000
Re: naughty Python Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-03 07:39 -0700
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-03 14:22 -0500
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-03 20:14 +0000
Re: naughty Python Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-04 07:57 -0700
Re: naughty Python scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-03 18:34 +0000
Re: naughty Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-02 21:47 +0100
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-03 00:27 +0000
Re: naughty Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-03 14:24 +0100
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-03 14:08 -0500
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-03 20:48 +0000
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-01 21:01 +0000
Re: naughty Python antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-01-02 02:53 +0000
Re: naughty Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-02 03:24 +0000
Re: naughty Python antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-01-02 05:04 +0000
Re: naughty Python Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-02 13:15 +0000
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 02:44 -0500
Re: naughty Python Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-02 07:43 -0700
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 10:06 -0500
Re: naughty Python Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2026-01-02 17:41 +0000
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 15:04 -0500
Re: naughty Python Ian <${send-direct-email-to-news1021-at-jusme-dot-com-if-you-must}@jusme.com> - 2026-01-03 08:01 +0000
Re: naughty Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-02 20:56 +0000
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-03 00:44 +0000
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-01 20:05 +0000
Re: naughty Python antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-01-02 15:27 +0000
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-02 19:21 +0000
Re: naughty Python antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-01-03 02:12 +0000
Re: naughty Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-03 03:15 +0000
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 14:25 -0500
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-01 23:35 -0500
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-02 06:35 +0000
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-02 11:13 +0000
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-02 19:46 +0000
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-02 19:58 +0000
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-03 01:03 +0000
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-03 08:34 +0000
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-03 20:54 +0000
Re: naughty Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-04 15:19 +0100
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 15:26 -0500
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-31 12:17 +0000
Re: naughty Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-29 13:27 +0100
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-29 13:34 +0000
Re: naughty Python John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-12-29 09:53 -0800
Re: naughty Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-29 21:37 +0100
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-30 02:56 -0500
Re: naughty Python Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-30 18:53 +0000
Re: naughty Python John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-12-29 04:43 +0000
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-29 01:22 -0500
Re: naughty Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-29 13:34 +0100
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-24 12:41 +0000
Re: naughty Python Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-24 23:28 +0000
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-24 21:30 -0500
Intellectuals (Re: naughty Python) Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-25 22:05 +0000
Re: Intellectuals (Re: naughty Python) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-25 22:20 -0500
Re: Intellectuals (Re: naughty Python) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-26 07:02 +0000
Re: Intellectuals (Re: naughty Python) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-26 02:16 -0500
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-24 12:40 +0000
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-24 12:32 +0000
Re: Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-27 22:40 +0100
Re: Python Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-27 23:21 +0000
Re: Python dillinger <dillinger@invalid.not> - 2025-12-28 02:05 +0100
Re: Python Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-27 18:16 -0800
Re: Python dillinger <dillinger@invalid.not> - 2025-12-28 04:59 +0100
Re: Python Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-28 08:32 -0800
Re: Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-28 13:48 +0100
Re: Python dillinger <dillinger@invalid.not> - 2025-12-28 14:14 +0100
Re: Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-28 14:42 +0100
Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-28 17:41 +0000
Re: Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-28 22:11 +0100
Re: Python Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-12-28 22:06 +0000
Re: Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-28 23:30 +0100
Re: Python Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2025-12-29 10:47 +0000
Re: Python Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2025-12-29 11:11 +0000
Re: Python Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-01-04 14:15 +0000
Re: Python Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2026-01-04 16:34 +0000
Re: Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-28 21:23 -0500
Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-29 04:15 +0000
Re: Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-29 01:17 -0500
Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-29 06:40 +0000
Re: Python Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-28 23:20 -0800
Re: Python Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-29 10:42 +0000
Re: Python Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-12-29 07:31 -0700
Re: Python Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-29 15:52 +0000
Re: Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-29 11:12 -0500
Re: Python Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-29 20:48 +0000
Re: Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-30 02:58 -0500
Re: Python Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-30 10:03 +0000
Re: Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-30 11:06 +0000
Re: Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-29 17:28 +0000
Re: Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-29 21:50 +0100
Re: Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-30 11:06 +0000
Re: Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-30 01:13 -0500
Re: Python Diego Garcia <dg@linux.rocks> - 2025-12-30 08:08 +0000
Re: Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-30 11:14 +0000
Re: Python Farley Flud <fsquared@fsquared.linux> - 2025-12-30 12:43 +0000
Re: Python Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-30 17:34 +0000
Re: Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-30 15:55 -0500
Re: one time pads, not Python John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-01-02 04:55 +0000
Re: one time pads, not Python Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-02 09:15 +0000
Re: one time pads, not Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 05:45 -0500
Re: one time pads, not Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-02 20:59 +0000
Re: one time pads, not Python Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-02 21:17 +0000
Re: one time pads, not Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-03 08:26 +0000
Re: one time pads, not Python Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-03 11:45 +0000
Re: one time pads, not Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-03 20:56 +0000
Re: one time pads, not Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 05:14 -0500
Re: Python antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-12-30 18:46 +0000
Re: Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-30 19:03 +0000
Re: Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-30 15:43 -0500
Re: “Quantum” Computing (was Re: Python) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-29 21:56 +0000
Re: “Quantum” Computing (was Re: Python) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-30 03:17 -0500
Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-29 17:15 +0000
Re: Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-29 02:52 -0500
Re: Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-29 13:40 +0000
Re: Python Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-12-29 07:29 -0700
Re: Python Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-29 16:27 +0000
Re: Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-20 02:52 -0500
Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-21 04:00 +0000
Re: Python candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-12-23 16:00 +0000
Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-23 20:30 +0000
Re: Python scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-12-23 21:14 +0000
Re: Python Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-12-19 20:57 +0000
Re: Python Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-19 22:09 +0000
Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-20 05:37 +0000
Re: Python Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-12-20 10:34 +0000
Re: Python Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-20 11:45 +0000
Re: Python Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-12-20 13:32 +0000
Re: Python Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-20 16:36 +0000
Re: Python Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-20 16:37 +0000
Re: Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-14 13:16 +0100
Re: Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-15 00:45 -0500
Re: Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-15 18:55 +0000
Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-15 22:39 +0000
Re: Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-15 23:53 +0000
Re: Python (was Re: Recent history of vi) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-14 02:05 +0000
Re: Python (was Re: Recent history of vi) candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-12-19 13:30 +0000
Re: Python (was Re: Recent history of vi) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-19 20:58 +0000
Re: Python (was Re: Recent history of vi) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-20 05:48 +0000
Re: Python (was Re: Recent history of vi) Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-20 10:12 +0000
Re: Python (was Re: Recent history of vi) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-20 05:25 -0500
Re: Python (was Re: Recent history of vi) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-21 04:22 +0000
Re: Python (was Re: Recent history of vi) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-20 22:28 +0000
Re: Python (was Re: Recent history of vi) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-21 04:25 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-15 18:39 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi John Bokma <contact@johnbokma.com> - 2025-12-15 19:46 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-15 23:54 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-30 18:33 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi David Goodwin <david+usenet@zx.net.nz> - 2025-12-01 11:09 +1300
Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-13 08:23 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-30 12:29 +0000
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-01-02 15:04 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: naughty Python |
| Message-ID | <Va2dncg_UrdFucX0nZ2dnZfqnPWdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #80327 |
On 1/2/26 12:41, Niklas Karlsson wrote: > On 2026-01-01, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >> On Thu, 1 Jan 2026 10:30:54 -0000 (UTC), Waldek Hebisch wrote: >> >>> But are 'expert systems' really AI? >> >> What is really “AI”? At one point, the argument was over whether >> computers could “think”. Then you had to define “thinking”, and >> somebody tried to settle the question by saing: “thinking is what >> computers cannot do”. > > "The question of whether a computer can think is no more interesting > than the question of whether a submarine can swim." - Edsger Dijkstra > > Mr. Dijkstra had his issues, but I'd say he hit the nail on the head > there. Ummm ... not so sure anymore. LLMs *are* showing signs of "self" (and self-preservation) already. Intelligence/thinking/self ... the underlying engine is irrelevant - once you've got 'em you've got 'em. LLM/NN "thinking"/"self" won't be Just Like Ours - too many existential differences. It will be kind of "alien" instead. That might be good, might be bad. In any case we're going to find out SOON.
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| From | Ian <${send-direct-email-to-news1021-at-jusme-dot-com-if-you-must}@jusme.com> |
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| Date | 2026-01-03 08:01 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: naughty Python |
| Message-ID | <slrn10lhj5s.3j0.${send-direct-email-to-news1021-at-jusme-dot-com-i@vm46.home.jusme.com> |
| In reply to | #80345 |
On 2026-01-02, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: > Ummm ... not so sure anymore. LLMs *are* showing > signs of "self" (and self-preservation) already. No, they're not. Some hypemongers may be pretending they are, and random garbage can sometimes seem like "intelligence" in a very small sample, but LLMs do nothing more than regurgitate their training data in somewhat unpredictable ways. Anyone claiming otherwise is a fool or a fraudster. "AI turned off my computer when I tried to delete it" type stories are pure bullshit. -- Ian "Tamahome!!!" - "Miaka!!!"
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-01-02 20:56 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: naughty Python |
| Message-ID | <10j9bec$mp8i$6@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #80327 |
On 2 Jan 2026 17:41:34 GMT, Niklas Karlsson wrote: > "The question of whether a computer can think is no more interesting > than the question of whether a submarine can swim." - Edsger Dijkstra > > Mr. Dijkstra had his issues, but I'd say he hit the nail on the head > there. Sometimes I think he managed to make a career out of trolling ...
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-01-03 00:44 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: naughty Python |
| Message-ID | <mrr72tF6763U5@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #80353 |
On Fri, 2 Jan 2026 20:56:44 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > On 2 Jan 2026 17:41:34 GMT, Niklas Karlsson wrote: > >> "The question of whether a computer can think is no more interesting >> than the question of whether a submarine can swim." - Edsger Dijkstra >> >> Mr. Dijkstra had his issues, but I'd say he hit the nail on the head >> there. > > Sometimes I think he managed to make a career out of trolling ... We once had a server name 'djikstra'. The chief engineer couldn't spell for shit. His own machine was 'warfrat'. It made text searches in the code interesting. My familiarity with his work is mostly the SP algorithm.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-01-01 20:05 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: naughty Python |
| Message-ID | <mro2c4FkkjlU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #80223 |
On Thu, 1 Jan 2026 10:30:54 -0000 (UTC), Waldek Hebisch wrote: > But are 'expert systems' really AI? Theoretically so called expert > system shells could do smart things, but examples I saw were essentially > a bunch of "if ... then ..." which could be written in almost any > programming language. One example of samewhat succesful 'expert system' > is supposed to guide a user trough installing Unix. Description > suggests that is is not smarter than modern Debian installer. And > nobody thinks that Debian installer is AI. I never thought so. Like you I've looked at Lisp and Prolog and came away with the thought 'you *could* use that approach but why would you? It adds nothing to C but obfuscation.' I don't think they call it an expert system but Arch Linux has a very detailed description of installing the system. There is also a sketchily maintained script that automates much of the process although the 'I use Arch btw' crowd considers that cheating. Then there is EndeavourOS and a couple of others that act like Debian, Ubuntu, or other installers and install Arch, throwing in several useful tools. Then there was 'fuzzy logic' that had its day although you don't hear much about it lately. Perhaps it was overtaken by neural networks. During training of a NN in successive iterations you calculate the loss function until you reach a point where it's 'good enough'. That technology is interesting that while you can define and explain each mathematical operation what's going on in the total sum is cloudy.
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| From | antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) |
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| Date | 2026-01-02 15:27 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: naughty Python |
| Message-ID | <10j8o5c$3j39$1@paganini.bofh.team> |
| In reply to | #80245 |
In alt.folklore.computers rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 1 Jan 2026 10:30:54 -0000 (UTC), Waldek Hebisch wrote:
>
>> But are 'expert systems' really AI? Theoretically so called expert
>> system shells could do smart things, but examples I saw were essentially
>> a bunch of "if ... then ..." which could be written in almost any
>> programming language. One example of samewhat succesful 'expert system'
>> is supposed to guide a user trough installing Unix. Description
>> suggests that is is not smarter than modern Debian installer. And
>> nobody thinks that Debian installer is AI.
>
> I never thought so. Like you I've looked at Lisp and Prolog and came away
> with the thought 'you *could* use that approach but why would you? It adds
> nothing to C but obfuscation.'
You mean 'expert system' coded in Lisp or Prolog? Or just general
coding in Lisp or Prolog? Concerning general coding IMO Prolog
is great for backtracking search and a few similar problem, but
not good for most of programs. On the other hand Lisp is quite
capable general purpose language.
> I don't think they call it an expert system but Arch Linux has a very
> detailed description of installing the system. There is also a sketchily
> maintained script that automates much of the process although the 'I use
> Arch btw' crowd considers that cheating. Then there is EndeavourOS and a
> couple of others that act like Debian, Ubuntu, or other installers and
> install Arch, throwing in several useful tools.
>
> Then there was 'fuzzy logic' that had its day although you don't hear much
> about it lately. Perhaps it was overtaken by neural networks.
I looked a bit at 'fuzzy logic'. But I did not see more in it than
principle "if you do not know better, then use crude approximation".
This principle is resonable, but I did not see any reason to prefer
specific crude approximations advocated in various texts (with
approximation varying depending on the text).
> During
> training of a NN in successive iterations you calculate the loss function
> until you reach a point where it's 'good enough'. That technology is
> interesting that while you can define and explain each mathematical
> operation what's going on in the total sum is cloudy.
--
Waldek Hebisch
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-01-02 19:21 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: naughty Python |
| Message-ID | <mrqk5mF3b8bU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #80323 |
On Fri, 2 Jan 2026 15:27:42 -0000 (UTC), Waldek Hebisch wrote: > You mean 'expert system' coded in Lisp or Prolog? Or just general > coding in Lisp or Prolog? Concerning general coding IMO Prolog is > great for backtracking search and a few similar problem, but not good > for most of programs. On the other hand Lisp is quite capable general > purpose language. I meant the general case. There were precedents and other people involved in the evolution but as shorthand I'll say Lisp embodies the was McCarthy thinks, and Prolog does the same for Roussel. At that point it gets philosophical. How does a person structure and perceive reality? In another thread Hume and Kant came up. Hume triggered Kant's thought but Kant approached the world differently. Less esoterically, I looked at Lisp, or Scheme precisely in the Wizard book, and I could understand the concepts and follow the thought processes but they were not a natural approach for the way i address the world. I didn't mean a general indictment of the language when I said I couldn't understand why someone would do it that way, but a very specific *I*. Prolog is either further away for me. It sounds contradictory but I'm logical but never was comfortable with formal logic.
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| From | antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) |
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| Date | 2026-01-03 02:12 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: naughty Python |
| Message-ID | <10j9tuj$b4ol$1@paganini.bofh.team> |
| In reply to | #80331 |
In alt.folklore.computers rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 2 Jan 2026 15:27:42 -0000 (UTC), Waldek Hebisch wrote:
>
>> You mean 'expert system' coded in Lisp or Prolog? Or just general
>> coding in Lisp or Prolog? Concerning general coding IMO Prolog is
>> great for backtracking search and a few similar problem, but not good
>> for most of programs. On the other hand Lisp is quite capable general
>> purpose language.
>
> I meant the general case. There were precedents and other people involved
> in the evolution but as shorthand I'll say Lisp embodies the was McCarthy
> thinks, and Prolog does the same for Roussel. At that point it gets
> philosophical. How does a person structure and perceive reality? In
> another thread Hume and Kant came up. Hume triggered Kant's thought but
> Kant approached the world differently.
>
> Less esoterically, I looked at Lisp, or Scheme precisely in the Wizard
> book, and I could understand the concepts and follow the thought processes
> but they were not a natural approach for the way i address the world. I
> didn't mean a general indictment of the language when I said I couldn't
> understand why someone would do it that way, but a very specific *I*.
I do not look philosophy, for me a programming language is a practial
(or mabye inpractical) tool. When people now write Lisp the usual
assumption is that they mean Common Lisp. Scheme is different, it
is much smaller language (but there are many dialect, some have
quite a lot of extentions). Concerning Common Lisp, if you want
description bordering philosophical, then it is an WSL (wide
spectrum language). Which means that staying withing the
language you can have quite different looking code. In standard
Common Lisp you can essentially write code as if it was Fortran
66 or 77. If you want to write C in Lisp, then there are some
limitations: Lisp do not have pointers, you are supposed to
use arrays instead (or take advantage of fact that most Lisp
data have reference sematics). Lisp structures behave is a different
way than C structures: in C structure may contain a substructure
or programmer may explicitely use a pointer referencing some
other structure. In Lisp substructures are always references.
But that is getting too technical, if you ignore technicalities
you can program in similar style to C or Pascal. But you can
also write higher level code. Lisp has garbage collection,
so no need to manualy free memory. Which means that you can
build new things at any time without risk of leaking memory.
Lisp has object system, so if you are OO zealot you can
have your classes, methods and objects. Or you may prefer
functional style, building a complex data structures which
share many substuctures. You can create closures and return
them.
Some folks like symbols, but if you want you can use strings.
Hash tables are included in the standard, for more special
things therea are libraries.
Common Lisp was standarized in eigthies, but that followed long
tradition, so there are several historical warts. One is that
internally Common Lisp is case sensitive and all system things
have upper case names. That is usually obscured by input
system (technicall 'Lisp reader') which in default setting
uppercases everthing, so sources look as if Common Lisp was
case insenitive. But sometimes discrepancy between upper
case inside and what you see in the source may catch you.
Or you may write many things in upper case, but than the
code look like Nigerian scam. Another wart is that to
call a function passed as a parameter you need something
like
(FUNCALL foo x y z)
instead of more natual
(foo x y z)
BTW: this is one of most visible differences between Common
Lisp and Scheme.
People who look first time at Lisp note a lot of parenthesis.
Essentially, Lisp programer writes parse tree of the program
using parenthesis to delimit subtrees. Initally (around 1958),
this was just a shortcut to avoid writing proper parser (parser
for parenthesised notation is very simple). But it was noticed
that Lisp sources can be transformed under program control
and such transformations are easy because the Lisp source has
the same form as Lisp data. Anyway, this capability is
frequently used and support for it is main reason to keep
parenthesised notation.
BTW: Passage from textual source to data structures is programmable.
In principle you can write a support library such that small
magic sequence of characters switches input notation to someting
completely different. For example, there is well-known package
allowing infix notation for expressions. If somebody really
wanted to, it should be not very hard to allow say Pascal sources
as Lisp programs. In fact, computer algebra system Reduce uses
a Lisp dialect as implementation language. But most sources
is written in a Pascal-like language. Everything read from
a file eventually leads to Lisp expression, but notation used
can vary within the file.
> Prolog is either further away for me. It sounds contradictory but I'm
> logical but never was comfortable with formal logic.
--
Waldek Hebisch
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-01-03 03:15 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: naughty Python |
| Message-ID | <10ja1lb$v2pj$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #80384 |
On Sat, 3 Jan 2026 02:12:37 -0000 (UTC), Waldek Hebisch wrote: > Lisp has garbage collection, so no need to manualy free memory. > Which means that you can build new things at any time without risk > of leaking memory. It reduces the risk, it doesn’t make it disappear completely. > But it was noticed that Lisp sources can be transformed under > program control and such transformations are easy because the Lisp > source has the same form as Lisp data. Anyway, this capability is > frequently used and support for it is main reason to keep > parenthesised notation. This is called “homoiconicity”. It leads to nice properties like macro processing and an EVAL function that behave in useful, powerful ways, with a minimum of surprises such as you get with the C/C++ preprocessor.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-01-02 14:25 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: naughty Python |
| Message-ID | <Va2dnc4_UrddhsX0nZ2dnZfqnPWdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #80323 |
On 1/2/26 10:27, Waldek Hebisch wrote: > In alt.folklore.computers rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: >> On Thu, 1 Jan 2026 10:30:54 -0000 (UTC), Waldek Hebisch wrote: >> >>> But are 'expert systems' really AI? Theoretically so called expert >>> system shells could do smart things, but examples I saw were essentially >>> a bunch of "if ... then ..." which could be written in almost any >>> programming language. One example of samewhat succesful 'expert system' >>> is supposed to guide a user trough installing Unix. Description >>> suggests that is is not smarter than modern Debian installer. And >>> nobody thinks that Debian installer is AI. >> >> I never thought so. Like you I've looked at Lisp and Prolog and came away >> with the thought 'you *could* use that approach but why would you? It adds >> nothing to C but obfuscation.' > > You mean 'expert system' coded in Lisp or Prolog? Or just general > coding in Lisp or Prolog? Concerning general coding IMO Prolog > is great for backtracking search and a few similar problem, but > not good for most of programs. On the other hand Lisp is quite > capable general purpose language. > >> I don't think they call it an expert system but Arch Linux has a very >> detailed description of installing the system. There is also a sketchily >> maintained script that automates much of the process although the 'I use >> Arch btw' crowd considers that cheating. Then there is EndeavourOS and a >> couple of others that act like Debian, Ubuntu, or other installers and >> install Arch, throwing in several useful tools. >> >> Then there was 'fuzzy logic' that had its day although you don't hear much >> about it lately. Perhaps it was overtaken by neural networks. > > I looked a bit at 'fuzzy logic'. But I did not see more in it than > principle "if you do not know better, then use crude approximation". > This principle is resonable, but I did not see any reason to prefer > specific crude approximations advocated in various texts (with > approximation varying depending on the text). > >> During >> training of a NN in successive iterations you calculate the loss function >> until you reach a point where it's 'good enough'. That technology is >> interesting that while you can define and explain each mathematical >> operation what's going on in the total sum is cloudy. Fuzzy is good if you need to monitor three or four dynamic inputs and strike some balance between them. One or two, may as well use a more straight-up coding approach, more than four or five and the fuzzy gets kind of difficult to set up. NNs seem like overkill for a lot of little stuff. Both "have their place". Consider a typical problem ... you have a large-ish building and one big central AC/Heat unit. How do you do a fair job at making sure all the rooms are about the same temperature ? Actuated in-duct flow changers need to be part of the solution, temperature sensors in each room are part of the solution, turning on or off the HVAC system is part of the solution. Airflow also can't be too restricted, or free, through the HVAC system either ... ie you can't close off, or totally open, all the in-duct controllers ... so a flow meter or low-range pressure gauge is part of the solution. Sun comes up and the east side of the building gets too hot. Afternoon the west side gets too hot ... and regardless SOME dink is going to open a window in one of the rooms. Fuzzy CAN handle it, NNs CAN handle it. Which to use ?
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-01-01 23:35 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: naughty Python |
| Message-ID | <wY6dnRpFXIaG1sr0nZ2dnZfqnPSdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #80223 |
On 1/1/26 05:30, Waldek Hebisch wrote: > In alt.folklore.computers rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: >> On Tue, 30 Dec 2025 19:47:23 -0500, c186282 wrote: >> >>> They've THOUGHT they had 'AI' more than once. Minsky was sure it'd be >>> easy during the 60s. Then, as you said, the 80s came and went but no >>> 'AI' worth a damn. >> >> Much of the neural network operations are still the same today but the >> hardware didn't exist to do millions of tensor operations in any finite >> time for anything but a toy app. 'I need 50 billion to build a center that >> will suck up the power and water from three states' wasn't going to happen >> even if the hardware did exist. >> >> The neural network approach was taken over by 'expert systems' The >> problem was you more or less needed a human expert on hand. > > But are 'expert systems' really AI? Theoretically so called > expert system shells could do smart things, but examples I saw > were essentially a bunch of "if ... then ..." which could be > written in almost any programming language. One example of > samewhat succesful 'expert system' is supposed to guide a user > trough installing Unix. Description suggests that is is not > smarter than modern Debian installer. And nobody thinks that > Debian installer is AI. "Expert systems", 80s def, really WERE mostly just a bunch of if/then/else stuff - very simple rules, unenlightened, unintelligent. Good Enough for a lot of jobs though. "Fuzzy" is kinda similar, but at least compared a bunch of values to reach its decision. Don't cuss "fuzzy", used it for a number of motor- control pgms quite successfully - minimal code that yielded good results ... used integers (vals * 100) instead of the usual 'reals' however. >> Blend NN and >> expert and you have something that sucks in petabytes of data, sort of >> links together tokens (words) that commonly are used together, declares >> itself an expert, and spits out pieces it has acquired like a vomiting >> magpie. > > Statistics people for ages construct decision trees. NN-s seem > to be much smarter, but once you have a decision tree (or more > fancy thing like forest with voting), you get quite ordinary > program. NNs are 'different'. Not 'expert', not 'fuzzy', not LLM. A little closer to how biological brains work. The bitch has been finding suitable elements that can be compactly put on chips. They're getting better at that. Maybe 10 years and decently good 'AI' will fit INSIDE a bot instead of a 20 acre gigawatt data center. Then we're in trouble .....
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-01-02 06:35 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: naughty Python |
| Message-ID | <mrp78uFqpumU3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #80266 |
On Thu, 1 Jan 2026 23:35:34 -0500, c186282 wrote: > NNs are 'different'. Not 'expert', not 'fuzzy', not LLM. A little > closer to how biological brains work. The bitch has been finding > suitable elements that can be compactly put on chips. They're getting > better at that. Maybe 10 years and decently good 'AI' will fit INSIDE > a bot instead of a 20 acre gigawatt data center. You keep drifting to analog NNs. I'm not holding my breathe for them to do anything useful event compared to artificial NNs.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-01-02 11:13 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: naughty Python |
| Message-ID | <10j899n$at2l$6@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #80266 |
On 02/01/2026 04:35, c186282 wrote:
> NNs are 'different'. Not 'expert', not 'fuzzy', not LLM.
> A little closer to how biological brains work. The bitch
> has been finding suitable elements that can be compactly
> put on chips. They're getting better at that. Maybe 10
> years and decently good 'AI' will fit INSIDE a bot instead
> of a 20 acre gigawatt data center.
Yes. They are ultimately pattern recognition engines.
Trouble with those is you have to get the gain right, I cant remember
what happened to that software you fed images too and it turned them
into eyes, and dogs where there used to be plants. Because it tried too
hard.
Great fun
--
"First, find out who are the people you can not criticise. They are your
oppressors."
- George Orwell
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-01-02 19:46 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: naughty Python |
| Message-ID | <mrqlldF3b8bU5@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #80301 |
On Fri, 2 Jan 2026 11:13:59 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 02/01/2026 04:35, c186282 wrote: >> NNs are 'different'. Not 'expert', not 'fuzzy', not LLM. >> A little closer to how biological brains work. The bitch has been >> finding suitable elements that can be compactly put on chips. >> They're getting better at that. Maybe 10 years and decently good >> 'AI' will fit INSIDE a bot instead of a 20 acre gigawatt data >> center. > > Yes. They are ultimately pattern recognition engines. > > Trouble with those is you have to get the gain right, I cant remember > what happened to that software you fed images too and it turned them > into eyes, and dogs where there used to be plants. Because it tried too > hard. > > Great fun The 'hello world' of image recognition is classify dogs and cats. There is a very large dataset of cat and dog images to work with. One of the early problems was the dogs tended to be photographed outside and the cats inside. After training the model was very good in classifying furry animals in an outside setting versus those inside. Speaking in an anthropomorphic way classifiers can have acceptable behavior but you're never too sure exactly what they're 'thinking'. There is a whole field of research trying to figure out what the hell goes on in the black box. At least with a classifier it's easy to see a problem if it calls a Great Dane a horse but LLM fantasies tend to get accepted as facts.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-01-02 19:58 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: naughty Python |
| Message-ID | <10j981o$le81$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #80338 |
On 02/01/2026 19:46, rbowman wrote: > At least with a classifier it's easy to see a problem if it calls a Great > Dane a horse but LLM fantasies tend to get accepted as facts. To a young child, if its got 4 legs and fur, its a 'doggie'. -- “There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn’t true; the other is to refuse to believe what is true.” —Soren Kierkegaard
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-01-03 01:03 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: naughty Python |
| Message-ID | <mrr87fF6n51U2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #80343 |
On Fri, 2 Jan 2026 19:58:48 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 02/01/2026 19:46, rbowman wrote: >> At least with a classifier it's easy to see a problem if it calls a >> Great Dane a horse but LLM fantasies tend to get accepted as facts. > > To a young child, if its got 4 legs and fur, its a 'doggie'. To an even younger child it's close to a Ding an sich. 'Doggie' already is a departure from immediate reality. Mommy intrudes and says 'No it is a cat.' Later Mommy adds the concept of 'two cats' and we're off to the races. Eventually the kid gets a PhD in math and lives in a completely abstract world unable to make a pot of coffee.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-01-03 08:34 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: naughty Python |
| Message-ID | <10jakae$13ji1$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #80373 |
On 03/01/2026 01:03, rbowman wrote: > On Fri, 2 Jan 2026 19:58:48 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >> On 02/01/2026 19:46, rbowman wrote: >>> At least with a classifier it's easy to see a problem if it calls a >>> Great Dane a horse but LLM fantasies tend to get accepted as facts. >> >> To a young child, if its got 4 legs and fur, its a 'doggie'. > > To an even younger child it's close to a Ding an sich. 'Doggie' already is > a departure from immediate reality. Mommy intrudes and says 'No it is a > cat.' Later Mommy adds the concept of 'two cats' and we're off to the > races. Eventually the kid gets a PhD in math and lives in a completely > abstract world unable to make a pot of coffee. Oh, you met him? -- Canada is all right really, though not for the whole weekend. "Saki"
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-01-03 20:54 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: naughty Python |
| Message-ID | <mrtdvtFh1ovU7@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #80401 |
On Sat, 3 Jan 2026 08:34:22 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 03/01/2026 01:03, rbowman wrote: >> On Fri, 2 Jan 2026 19:58:48 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> >>> On 02/01/2026 19:46, rbowman wrote: >>>> At least with a classifier it's easy to see a problem if it calls a >>>> Great Dane a horse but LLM fantasies tend to get accepted as facts. >>> >>> To a young child, if its got 4 legs and fur, its a 'doggie'. >> >> To an even younger child it's close to a Ding an sich. 'Doggie' already >> is a departure from immediate reality. Mommy intrudes and says 'No it >> is a cat.' Later Mommy adds the concept of 'two cats' and we're off to >> the races. Eventually the kid gets a PhD in math and lives in a >> completely abstract world unable to make a pot of coffee. > > Oh, you met him? Several times. A PhD friend of mine was in a minor car accident. He admitted he was thinking of something rather than staying on his side of the road. Despite the degree being in electronics I watched him short out a car battery with a piece of 14 gauge wire. I'm sure he could have done a complete circuit analysis of why it vaporized.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-01-04 15:19 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: naughty Python |
| Message-ID | <uf9q2mx7o4.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #80432 |
On 2026-01-03 21:54, rbowman wrote: > On Sat, 3 Jan 2026 08:34:22 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >> On 03/01/2026 01:03, rbowman wrote: >>> On Fri, 2 Jan 2026 19:58:48 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>> >>>> On 02/01/2026 19:46, rbowman wrote: >>>>> At least with a classifier it's easy to see a problem if it calls a >>>>> Great Dane a horse but LLM fantasies tend to get accepted as facts. >>>> >>>> To a young child, if its got 4 legs and fur, its a 'doggie'. >>> >>> To an even younger child it's close to a Ding an sich. 'Doggie' already >>> is a departure from immediate reality. Mommy intrudes and says 'No it >>> is a cat.' Later Mommy adds the concept of 'two cats' and we're off to >>> the races. Eventually the kid gets a PhD in math and lives in a >>> completely abstract world unable to make a pot of coffee. >> >> Oh, you met him? > > Several times. A PhD friend of mine was in a minor car accident. He > admitted he was thinking of something rather than staying on his side of > the road. Despite the degree being in electronics I watched him short out > a car battery with a piece of 14 gauge wire. I'm sure he could have done a > complete circuit analysis of why it vaporized. ROTFL! :-D -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-01-02 15:26 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: naughty Python |
| Message-ID | <Va2dnco_Urd7tMX0nZ2dnZfqnPWdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #80338 |
On 1/2/26 14:46, rbowman wrote: > On Fri, 2 Jan 2026 11:13:59 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >> On 02/01/2026 04:35, c186282 wrote: >>> NNs are 'different'. Not 'expert', not 'fuzzy', not LLM. >>> A little closer to how biological brains work. The bitch has been >>> finding suitable elements that can be compactly put on chips. >>> They're getting better at that. Maybe 10 years and decently good >>> 'AI' will fit INSIDE a bot instead of a 20 acre gigawatt data >>> center. >> >> Yes. They are ultimately pattern recognition engines. >> >> Trouble with those is you have to get the gain right, I cant remember >> what happened to that software you fed images too and it turned them >> into eyes, and dogs where there used to be plants. Because it tried too >> hard. >> >> Great fun > > The 'hello world' of image recognition is classify dogs and cats. There is > a very large dataset of cat and dog images to work with. > > One of the early problems was the dogs tended to be photographed outside > and the cats inside. After training the model was very good in classifying > furry animals in an outside setting versus those inside. > > Speaking in an anthropomorphic way classifiers can have acceptable > behavior but you're never too sure exactly what they're 'thinking'. There > is a whole field of research trying to figure out what the hell goes on in > the black box. > > At least with a classifier it's easy to see a problem if it calls a Great > Dane a horse but LLM fantasies tend to get accepted as facts. I remember that utility he was talking about ... I think it was a Google software project. SOME wag made a movie of himself at a supermarket and then ran the frames through utility, about a 5-minute film. VERY bizarre !!! The lower you made the "Ah HA !" threshold the weirder the images. I think LSD does something like that both visually and in terms of 'thinking'.
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