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| Started by | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| First post | 2025-12-23 22:51 +0000 |
| Last post | 2025-12-29 13:29 +0000 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 195 — 22 participants |
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Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-23 22:51 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice kouya <kouyaheika@canithesis.org> - 2025-12-24 06:27 -0600
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-24 13:24 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-24 19:08 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-25 02:21 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-24 21:35 -0500
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-12-26 09:06 -0800
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-26 18:38 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-12-26 11:53 -0800
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-26 23:15 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-26 22:49 -0500
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-27 12:52 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Jim Jackson <jj@franjam.org.uk> - 2026-01-06 23:09 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-06 15:25 -0800
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-26 20:49 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-27 03:56 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-26 20:37 -0800
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-27 05:59 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-27 08:51 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-27 09:13 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-27 23:01 +0000
X11 forks (was: Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-28 10:43 +0000
Re: X11 forks (was: Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-29 03:35 +0000
Re: X11 forks Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> - 2025-12-29 18:14 +1000
Re: X11 forks c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-29 03:28 -0500
Re: X11 forks not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-12-30 07:30 +1000
Re: X11 forks "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-30 09:33 +0100
Re: X11 forks Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-30 08:47 +0000
Re: X11 forks "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-30 14:46 +0100
Wayland hardware requirements (was: Re: X11 forks) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-31 09:25 +0000
Re: Wayland hardware requirements The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-31 12:12 +0000
Re: Wayland hardware requirements not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-01-01 07:31 +1000
Re: X11 forks rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-31 03:19 +0000
Re: X11 forks "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-31 11:50 +0100
Re: X11 forks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-31 12:09 +0000
Re: X11 forks "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-31 18:48 +0100
Re: X11 forks Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-31 20:59 +0000
Re: X11 forks "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-01 02:51 +0100
Re: X11 forks Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-01 02:33 +0000
Re: X11 forks rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-01 06:01 +0000
Re: X11 forks rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-01 03:10 +0000
Re: X11 forks Harold Stevens <wookie@aspen.localdomain> - 2026-01-01 04:04 -0600
Re: X11 forks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-01 13:10 +0000
Re: X11 forks "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-01 14:28 +0100
Re: X11 forks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-01 14:00 +0000
Re: X11 forks Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-01 19:12 +0000
Re: X11 forks vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2026-01-02 04:15 +0000
Re: X11 forks rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-31 19:54 +0000
Re: X11 forks John-Paul Stewart <jpstewart@personalprojects.net> - 2025-12-31 14:28 -0500
Re: X11 forks "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-31 20:43 +0100
Re: X11 forks rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-31 20:00 +0000
Re: X11 forks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-31 22:58 +0000
Re: X11 forks rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-01 02:56 +0000
Re: X11 forks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-31 22:45 +0000
Re: X11 forks rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-30 02:20 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-27 09:48 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-27 06:22 -0500
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-27 12:55 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-27 11:50 -0500
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-27 18:20 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-27 22:33 -0500
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-29 03:40 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-29 00:50 -0500
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-29 13:31 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-27 22:55 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-27 23:35 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-12-27 13:29 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-27 11:53 -0500
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-27 21:32 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-27 12:54 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-27 22:52 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-28 14:11 +0100
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-28 13:35 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-27 01:05 -0500
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-27 08:59 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-27 04:42 -0500
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-27 22:11 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-28 14:05 +0100
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-28 13:34 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-29 03:21 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-29 12:58 +0100
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-26 22:56 -0500
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-27 12:57 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-27 22:31 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-28 14:33 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-28 12:40 -0500
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-28 20:12 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-28 21:00 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-28 22:17 +0100
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-28 22:56 +0000
Service startup errors Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-29 00:16 +0000
Re: Service startup errors Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-29 02:08 +0000
Re: Service startup errors "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-29 03:15 +0100
Re: Service startup errors Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-29 03:39 +0000
Re: Service startup errors "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-29 12:59 +0100
Re: Service startup errors c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-28 21:47 -0500
Re: Service startup errors Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-30 18:53 +0000
Re: Service startup errors rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-31 03:12 +0000
Re: Service startup errors vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2025-12-31 04:40 +0000
Re: Service startup errors rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-31 08:24 +0000
Re: Service startup errors Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-31 18:55 +0000
Re: Service startup errors Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-01-01 04:29 +0000
Re: Service startup errors Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-01 04:38 +0000
Re: Service startup errors Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-01-01 04:58 +0000
Re: Service startup errors The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-01 13:13 +0000
Re: Service startup errors Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-31 09:13 +0000
Re: Service startup errors Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-31 09:53 +0000
Re: Service startup errors Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-31 09:59 +0000
Re: Service startup errors Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-31 21:04 +0000
Re: Service startup errors rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-01 02:31 +0000
Re: Service startup errors rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-31 19:49 +0000
Re: Service startup errors Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-31 18:55 +0000
Re: Service startup errors rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-31 19:41 +0000
Re: Service startup errors Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-31 20:13 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-29 03:16 +0100
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-29 03:49 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-29 01:00 -0500
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-29 13:12 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-29 13:04 +0100
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-30 19:14 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-30 22:43 +0100
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-30 22:09 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-30 23:24 +0100
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-30 22:12 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-30 23:27 +0100
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-30 22:29 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-31 11:59 +0100
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-26 22:45 -0500
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-25 03:26 +0000
How distros can get choosen by chance (was: Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-25 10:51 +0000
Re: How distros can get choosen by chance jayjwa <jayjwa@atr2.ath.cx.invalid> - 2025-12-25 13:27 -0500
Re: How distros can get choosen by chance rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-25 18:40 +0000
Re: How distros can get choosen by chance Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-25 12:34 -0800
Re: How distros can get choosen by chance rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-25 22:11 +0000
Re: How distros can get choosen by chance Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-25 14:55 -0800
Re: How distros can get choosen by chance "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-28 14:28 +0100
Re: How distros can get choosen by chance rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-29 02:09 +0000
Re: How distros can get choosen by chance Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-25 21:05 +0000
Re: How distros can get choosen by chance rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-25 22:22 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice kouya <kouyaheika@canithesis.org> - 2025-12-24 21:37 -0600
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-25 11:46 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-25 11:59 -0500
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-26 07:04 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-26 02:27 -0500
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice kouya <kouyaheika@canithesis.org> - 2025-12-25 23:07 -0600
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-28 13:56 +0100
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-28 13:32 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-28 14:51 +0100
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-28 14:02 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-28 21:46 +0100
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-28 16:24 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-28 17:31 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-28 12:53 -0500
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-28 20:16 +0000
Linux GUIs Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-29 00:10 +0000
Re: Linux GUIs Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-29 02:09 +0000
Re: Linux GUIs c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-28 21:50 -0500
Re: Linux GUIs Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-29 10:16 +0000
Re: Linux GUIs c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-29 05:23 -0500
Re: Linux GUIs "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-29 13:09 +0100
Re: Linux GUIs Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-12-29 14:29 +0100
Re: Linux GUIs The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-29 17:25 +0000
Re: Linux GUIs c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-30 01:04 -0500
Re: Linux GUIs rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-31 02:53 +0000
Re: Linux GUIs not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-12-30 07:32 +1000
Re: Linux GUIs rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-30 01:07 +0000
Re: Linux GUIs John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-12-30 09:01 -0800
Re: Linux GUIs c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-30 12:58 -0500
Re: Linux GUIs rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-31 02:47 +0000
Re: Linux GUIs Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-12-30 13:02 +0100
Re: Linux GUIs Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-29 06:43 -0800
Re: Linux GUIs Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-29 22:09 +0000
Re: Linux GUIs c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-28 21:29 -0500
Re: Linux GUIs rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-29 02:57 +0000
Re: Linux GUIs c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-28 22:13 -0500
Re: Linux GUIs "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-29 13:11 +0100
Re: Linux GUIs The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-29 13:21 +0000
Re: Linux GUIs Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-29 15:56 +0000
Re: Linux GUIs Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-29 22:08 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-29 02:37 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-28 20:57 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-29 02:35 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-29 10:08 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-29 13:32 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-29 22:07 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-29 02:21 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-28 22:08 -0500
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-28 20:56 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-28 20:43 -0500
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-29 03:23 +0100
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-29 03:16 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-29 03:15 +0000
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-31 18:55 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Service startup errors |
| Message-ID | <Zke5R.694260$LrS.202570@fx09.iad> |
| In reply to | #80150 |
On 2025-12-31, vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> wrote:
> At 31 Dec 2025 03:12:29 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 30 Dec 2025 18:53:56 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>
>> > But if it means something to them, it's still miles ahead of a
>> > "something went wrong" message. If you're lucky you might find a list
>> > of what the error codes mean.
>>
>> https://www.thegeekstuff.com/2010/10/linux-error-codes/
>>
>> printf("Oh shit! %s\n", strerror(errno));
>
> Some of those look a bit silly when errno is 0...
>
> ("Oh shit! Success")
At a PPOE I once saw the hardware equivalent. I glanced into
the machine room and saw a flashing light on a UPS. Going over
to the unit for a closer look, I saw that it was an indicator:
NORMAL ... NORMAL ... NORMAL ...
--
/~\ Charlie Gibbs | Growth for the sake of
\ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | growth is the ideology
X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | of the cancer cell.
/ \ if you read it the right way. | -- Edward Abbey
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| From | Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> |
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| Date | 2026-01-01 04:29 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Service startup errors |
| Message-ID | <slrn10lbu0i.h9a.spamtrap42@one.localnet> |
| In reply to | #80182 |
On 2025-12-31, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
> On 2025-12-31, vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> wrote:
>
>> At 31 Dec 2025 03:12:29 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 30 Dec 2025 18:53:56 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>>
>>> > But if it means something to them, it's still miles ahead of a
>>> > "something went wrong" message. If you're lucky you might find a list
>>> > of what the error codes mean.
>>>
>>> https://www.thegeekstuff.com/2010/10/linux-error-codes/
>>>
>>> printf("Oh shit! %s\n", strerror(errno));
>>
>> Some of those look a bit silly when errno is 0...
>>
>> ("Oh shit! Success")
>
> At a PPOE I once saw the hardware equivalent. I glanced into
> the machine room and saw a flashing light on a UPS. Going over
> to the unit for a closer look, I saw that it was an indicator:
>
> NORMAL ... NORMAL ... NORMAL ...
Are you sure that wasn't the intended behavior?
I have seen embedded devices where an an LED was intentionally
toggled every so often if everything was working properly. If
the RTOS or something connected to it were to hang, the LED would
get stuck either off or on.
--
Robert Riches
spamtrap42@jacob21819.net
(Yes, that is one of my email addresses.)
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-01-01 04:38 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Service startup errors |
| Message-ID | <10j4to3$37c86$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #80217 |
On 1 Jan 2026 04:29:06 GMT, Robert Riches wrote: > I have seen embedded devices where an an LED was intentionally > toggled every so often if everything was working properly. If > the RTOS or something connected to it were to hang, the LED would > get stuck either off or on. I can think of a better design: a light that is powered by the discharge of a capacitor, that needs to be recharged by a controller signal a few times a second, to keep it lit steadily. So if the controller ever fails, the light will go out.
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| From | Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> |
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| Date | 2026-01-01 04:58 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Service startup errors |
| Message-ID | <slrn10lbvo3.t3c.spamtrap42@one.localnet> |
| In reply to | #80218 |
On 2026-01-01, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: > On 1 Jan 2026 04:29:06 GMT, Robert Riches wrote: > >> I have seen embedded devices where an an LED was intentionally >> toggled every so often if everything was working properly. If >> the RTOS or something connected to it were to hang, the LED would >> get stuck either off or on. > > I can think of a better design: a light that is powered by the > discharge of a capacitor, that needs to be recharged by a controller > signal a few times a second, to keep it lit steadily. So if the > controller ever fails, the light will go out. Yes, that would be much better from an observer's perspective. On the other hand, bean counters and PHBs are accustomed to wringing blood out of a BoM turnip. In many cases, the incremental monetary cost of that capacitor across (tens of) millions of units would not likely not be approved. -- Robert Riches spamtrap42@jacob21819.net (Yes, that is one of my email addresses.)
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-01-01 13:13 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Service startup errors |
| Message-ID | <10j5ru5$3etcd$9@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #80217 |
On 01/01/2026 04:29, Robert Riches wrote: > I have seen embedded devices where an an LED was intentionally > toggled every so often if everything was working properly. If > the RTOS or something connected to it were to hang, the LED would > get stuck either off or on. I've got several here. My Ethernet switches have LEDS to indicate 'normal activity' My Pi PICO thermometers blink to show successful transmission to the server. A light is a simple way to show activity in a circuit that lacks sound or a screen -- All political activity makes complete sense once the proposition that all government is basically a self-legalising protection racket, is fully understood.
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| From | Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-31 09:13 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Service startup errors |
| Message-ID | <10j2pfc$2eoas$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #80147 |
On 2025-12-31, rbowman wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Dec 2025 18:53:56 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>
>> But if it means something to them, it's still miles ahead of a
>> "something went wrong" message. If you're lucky you might find a list
>> of what the error codes mean.
>
> https://www.thegeekstuff.com/2010/10/linux-error-codes/
>
> printf("Oh shit! %s\n", strerror(errno));
Unless coffee is playing tricks on me,
perror("Oh shit!");
ought to be the same except for an additional colon.
Its online manual page (section 3p here, hence POSIX) seems to indicate
it's also in the C standard.
--
Nuno Silva
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| From | Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-31 09:53 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Service startup errors |
| Message-ID | <wwv8qejht9a.fsf@LkoBDZeT.terraraq.uk> |
| In reply to | #80158 |
Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> writes:
> On 2025-12-31, rbowman wrote:
>> On Tue, 30 Dec 2025 18:53:56 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>> But if it means something to them, it's still miles ahead of a
>>> "something went wrong" message. If you're lucky you might find a list
>>> of what the error codes mean.
>>
>> https://www.thegeekstuff.com/2010/10/linux-error-codes/
>>
>> printf("Oh shit! %s\n", strerror(errno));
>
> Unless coffee is playing tricks on me,
>
> perror("Oh shit!");
>
> ought to be the same except for an additional colon.
Not quite; printf writes to stdout, perror writes to stderr, which is
where the diagnostic ought to be.
> Its online manual page (section 3p here, hence POSIX) seems to indicate
> it's also in the C standard.
It is.
--
https://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/
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| From | Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-31 09:59 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Service startup errors |
| Message-ID | <10j2s6p$2eoas$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #80160 |
On 2025-12-31, Richard Kettlewell wrote:
> Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> writes:
>> On 2025-12-31, rbowman wrote:
>>> On Tue, 30 Dec 2025 18:53:56 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>>> But if it means something to them, it's still miles ahead of a
>>>> "something went wrong" message. If you're lucky you might find a list
>>>> of what the error codes mean.
>>>
>>> https://www.thegeekstuff.com/2010/10/linux-error-codes/
>>>
>>> printf("Oh shit! %s\n", strerror(errno));
>>
>> Unless coffee is playing tricks on me,
>>
>> perror("Oh shit!");
>>
>> ought to be the same except for an additional colon.
>
> Not quite; printf writes to stdout, perror writes to stderr, which is
> where the diagnostic ought to be.
/me headdesks
You know, I *did* look at it to confirm it was printing to
stderr. Unfortunately, I managed to read strerror() as that. Nevermind
that it's on the wrong side of the function call, besides r not being d,
printf not being fprintf and so on...
I'll have to have more coffee today, for sure.
>> Its online manual page (section 3p here, hence POSIX) seems to indicate
>> it's also in the C standard.
>
> It is.
--
Nuno Silva
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-31 21:04 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Service startup errors |
| Message-ID | <10j435d$2s72e$9@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #80160 |
On Wed, 31 Dec 2025 09:53:37 +0000, Richard Kettlewell wrote: > ... perror writes to stderr, which is where the diagnostic ought to > be. Also, the argument to perror(3) should be an indication of *where* the error occurred. perror(3) itself will provide the rest.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-01-01 02:31 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Service startup errors |
| Message-ID | <mrm4kqFabpiU8@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #80197 |
On Wed, 31 Dec 2025 21:04:45 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > On Wed, 31 Dec 2025 09:53:37 +0000, Richard Kettlewell wrote: > >> ... perror writes to stderr, which is where the diagnostic ought to be. > > Also, the argument to perror(3) should be an indication of *where* the > error occurred. perror(3) itself will provide the rest. The 'log_error()' function we used provided more information.' [Thu Sep 05 15:10:51.255024 2024 (90.058331)] (pid = 1640) (fd = 73) requests.c:4569 verify_router_clnt: Netrouter returns error 4. The PID served two functions. If the program dumped a core the convention was to name it core.pid like core.1640. grep "pid = 1640" *.log allowed support to determine what had cored without poking around in the core with windbg. In the log itself it was easy to find when the process started and stopped. The file descriptor could be handy if the process was eating descriptors for some reason. requests.c:4569 gave the source file and line that was determined using __FILE__ and __LINE__. The other number in parens was the seconds since the last log entry. Not always useful but it was easier than subtracting the timestamps. This was a homegrown function but most of the decent log packages allow you to tailor the output to get more data than the errno. Unfortunately the netrouter return isn't a regular errno but a RPC status. We got better over the years but some of the logging was obscure.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-12-31 19:49 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Service startup errors |
| Message-ID | <mrld1qF72kiU6@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #80158 |
On Wed, 31 Dec 2025 09:13:16 +0000, Nuno Silva wrote:
> On 2025-12-31, rbowman wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 30 Dec 2025 18:53:56 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>
>>> But if it means something to them, it's still miles ahead of a
>>> "something went wrong" message. If you're lucky you might find a list
>>> of what the error codes mean.
>>
>> https://www.thegeekstuff.com/2010/10/linux-error-codes/
>>
>> printf("Oh shit! %s\n", strerror(errno));
>
> Unless coffee is playing tricks on me,
>
> perror("Oh shit!");
>
> ought to be the same except for an additional colon.
>
> Its online manual page (section 3p here, hence POSIX) seems to indicate
> it's also in the C standard.
Yes, and it is used quite frequently in the code base. I was simplifying
things with a standard call. The real function would be
log_error("Oh shit! %s\n", strerror(errno));
The problem with perror() is Windows services and most of the legacy GUIs
are not attached to a console. Even if they were most of the users would
never look at a message in a terminal. Write it to the application log and
there is a record.
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-31 18:55 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Service startup errors |
| Message-ID | <Yke5R.694258$LrS.245790@fx09.iad> |
| In reply to | #80147 |
On 2025-12-31, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Dec 2025 18:53:56 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>
>> But if it means something to them, it's still miles ahead of a
>> "something went wrong" message. If you're lucky you might find a list
>> of what the error codes mean.
>
> https://www.thegeekstuff.com/2010/10/linux-error-codes/
>
> printf("Oh shit! %s\n", strerror(errno));
Alternatively, "This should never happen!"
--
/~\ Charlie Gibbs | Growth for the sake of
\ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | growth is the ideology
X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | of the cancer cell.
/ \ if you read it the right way. | -- Edward Abbey
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-12-31 19:41 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Service startup errors |
| Message-ID | <mrlcj9F72kiU5@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #80181 |
On Wed, 31 Dec 2025 18:55:52 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On 2025-12-31, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 30 Dec 2025 18:53:56 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>
>>> But if it means something to them, it's still miles ahead of a
>>> "something went wrong" message. If you're lucky you might find a list
>>> of what the error codes mean.
>>
>> https://www.thegeekstuff.com/2010/10/linux-error-codes/
>>
>> printf("Oh shit! %s\n", strerror(errno));
>
> Alternatively, "This should never happen!"
/* Should never happen, but... */
Actual comment in the source and it's not the only one. It's in an else
clause and does have a reasonable message
sprintf(error_msg, "The Alert Type \"%s\" is invalid.", ModAlertType);
update_message(msgbox, ModAlertType);
It's not clear how someone could select an unknown alert type from a GUI
list but j.i.c...
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| From | Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-31 20:13 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Service startup errors |
| Message-ID | <wwvsecq8l51.fsf@LkoBDZeT.terraraq.uk> |
| In reply to | #80181 |
Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes:
> On 2025-12-31, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, 30 Dec 2025 18:53:56 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>> But if it means something to them, it's still miles ahead of a
>>> "something went wrong" message. If you're lucky you might find a
>>> list of what the error codes mean.
>>
>> https://www.thegeekstuff.com/2010/10/linux-error-codes/
>>
>> printf("Oh shit! %s\n", strerror(errno));
>
> Alternatively, "This should never happen!"
If I’m looking at thousands of lines of logfile (which does happen
occasionally), I don’t want clever/cutesy/individualistic error
messages, I just want something with the string ‘error’ (or better still
‘ERROR:’), the name of the program that went wrong, the error code, and
enough contextual information to make some sense of it (what it was
trying to do, e.g. open a particular file).
--
https://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-29 03:16 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <rs492mx25a.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #79981 |
On 2025-12-28 23:56, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > On Sun, 28 Dec 2025 22:17:27 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: > >> This happened to me recently: >> >> Telcontar:~ # systemctl status smb >> × smb.service - Samba SMB Daemon >> Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/system/smb.service; enabled; preset: disabled) >> Active: failed (Result: exit-code) since Wed 2025-12-17 23:09:54 CET; 19h ago >> Docs: man:smbd(8) >> man:samba(7) >> man:smb.conf(5) >> Process: 2479 ExecStartPre=/usr/share/samba/update-apparmor-samba-profile (code=exited, status=1/FAILURE) >> CPU: 77ms >> >> Dec 17 23:09:54 Telcontar systemd[1]: Starting Samba SMB Daemon... >> Dec 17 23:09:54 Telcontar update-apparmor-samba-profile[2479]: generating profile sniplet failed >> Dec 17 23:09:54 Telcontar systemd[1]: smb.service: Control process exited, code=exited, status=1/FAILURE >> Dec 17 23:09:54 Telcontar systemd[1]: smb.service: Failed with result 'exit-code'. >> Dec 17 23:09:54 Telcontar systemd[1]: Failed to start Samba SMB Daemon. >> Telcontar:~ # >> >> I was baffled. I asked ChatGPT: > > Or you could have looked further into the log with journalctl, and > seen the appropriate message there. You really think I did not? Common...! :-/ Dec 14 22:02:17 Telcontar dbus-daemon[1387]: [system] Activating via systemd: service name='org.freedesktop.ColorManager' unit='colord.service' requested by ':1.29' (uid=0 pid=2423 comm="/usr/sbin/cupsd -l ") Dec 14 22:02:17 Telcontar vmware[2447]: Virtual ethernet - failed Dec 14 22:02:17 Telcontar vmware[2447]: VMware Authentication Daemon - done Dec 14 22:02:17 Telcontar update-apparmor-samba-profile[2436]: generating profile sniplet failed <=================== Dec 14 22:02:17 Telcontar systemd[1]: smb.service: Control process exited, code=exited, status=1/FAILURE Dec 14 22:02:17 Telcontar systemd[1]: smb.service: Failed with result 'exit-code'. Dec 14 22:02:17 Telcontar xinetd[2449]: Reading included configuration file: /etc/xinetd.d/chargen [file=/etc/xinetd.conf] [line=62] Dec 14 22:02:17 Telcontar xinetd[2449]: Reading included configuration file: /etc/xinetd.d/chargen-udp [file=/etc/xinetd.d/chargen-udp] [line=13] Dec 14 22:02:17 Telcontar xinetd[2449]: Reading included configuration file: /etc/xinetd.d/clamav [file=/etc/xinetd.d/clamav] [line=14] Dec 14 22:02:17 Telcontar xinetd[2449]: Reading included configuration file: /etc/xinetd.d/daytime [file=/etc/xinetd.d/daytime] [line=41] Dec 14 22:02:17 Telcontar xinetd[2449]: Reading included configuration file: /etc/xinetd.d/daytime-udp [file=/etc/xinetd.d/daytime-udp] [line=13] Dec 14 22:02:17 Telcontar xinetd[2449]: Reading included configuration file: /etc/xinetd.d/discard [file=/etc/xinetd.d/discard] [line=14] Dec 14 22:02:17 Telcontar xinetd[2449]: Reading included configuration file: /etc/xinetd.d/discard-udp [file=/etc/xinetd.d/discard-udp] [line=13] Dec 14 22:02:17 Telcontar xinetd[2449]: Reading included configuration file: /etc/xinetd.d/echo [file=/etc/xinetd.d/echo] [line=14] Dec 14 22:02:17 Telcontar xinetd[2449]: Reading included configuration file: /etc/xinetd.d/echo-udp [file=/etc/xinetd.d/echo-udp] [line=13] Dec 14 22:02:17 Telcontar xinetd[2449]: Reading included configuration file: /etc/xinetd.d/leafnode [file=/etc/xinetd.d/leafnode] [line=14] Dec 14 22:02:17 Telcontar xinetd[2449]: Reading included configuration file: /etc/xinetd.d/servers [file=/etc/xinetd.d/servers] [line=41] Dec 14 22:02:17 Telcontar xinetd[2449]: Reading included configuration file: /etc/xinetd.d/services [file=/etc/xinetd.d/services] [line=13] Dec 14 22:02:17 Telcontar xinetd[2449]: Reading included configuration file: /etc/xinetd.d/time [file=/etc/xinetd.d/time] [line=13] Dec 14 22:02:17 Telcontar xinetd[2449]: Reading included configuration file: /etc/xinetd.d/time-udp [file=/etc/xinetd.d/time-udp] [line=14] Dec 14 22:02:17 Telcontar xinetd[2449]: 2.3.15.4 started with libwrap loadavg labeled-networking options compiled in. Dec 14 22:02:17 Telcontar xinetd[2449]: Started working: 1 available service Dec 14 22:02:17 Telcontar kernel: r8169 0000:22:00.0 eth0: Link is Up - 1Gbps/Full - flow control off Dec 14 22:02:17 Telcontar systemd[1]: Failed to start Samba SMB Daemon. Dec 14 22:02:17 Telcontar systemd[1]: vmware.service: Control process exited, code=exited, status=1/FAILURE Dec 14 22:02:17 Telcontar systemd[1]: vmware.service: Failed with result 'exit-code'. Dec 14 22:02:17 Telcontar systemd[1]: vmware.service: Unit process 2556 (vmware-authdlau) remains running after unit stopped. Dec 14 22:02:17 Telcontar dnsmasq[2502]: started, version 2.90 cachesize 2000 Dec 14 22:02:17 Telcontar dnsmasq[2502]: compile time options: IPv6 GNU-getopt DBus no-UBus i18n IDN2 DHCP DHCPv6 Lua TFTP conntrack ipset nftset auth cryptohash DNSSEC loop-detect inotify dumpfile Do you really see some more information there? Really? -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-29 03:49 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10istnh$nn3s$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #79990 |
On Mon, 29 Dec 2025 03:16:27 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> Dec 14 22:02:17 Telcontar systemd[1]: smb.service: Failed with result 'exit-code'.
OK, I tried introducing a config error into my own Samba setup, and
got similar results to you: I was expecting smb{,d}.service to log errors
parsing the configuration, but it does not.
And I can’t see any obvious setting in smb.conf to tell it to do so.
Just to be clear, this is a Samba shortcoming.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-12-29 01:00 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <6decndI7ib2bhM_0nZ2dnZfqn_adnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #80009 |
On 12/28/25 22:49, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
> On Mon, 29 Dec 2025 03:16:27 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>
>> Dec 14 22:02:17 Telcontar systemd[1]: smb.service: Failed with result 'exit-code'.
>
> OK, I tried introducing a config error into my own Samba setup, and
> got similar results to you: I was expecting smb{,d}.service to log errors
> parsing the configuration, but it does not.
>
> And I can’t see any obvious setting in smb.conf to tell it to do so.
>
> Just to be clear, this is a Samba shortcoming.
Almost ALL apps, esp the complicated ones, have
such "shortcomings". TOO many possible errors,
TOO little motivation to properly find/describe
said errors.
The more complicated/interconnected things get
the worse this will become. Soon you get to the
infamous Winders "Sorry, There Was a Problem"
kind of message.
Oh well, soon enough the AIs will be writing/doing
it all ... and no human can possibly figure out the
code and no POINT in error logs :-)
Shit, haven't been able to make Samba/SMB work as
expected for nearly two years now. Not sure why.
Follow all the prescribed rules. CANNOT figure
out what the error logs MEAN. Used to use it all
the time when I was working, but something CHANGED.
I was only willing to put just SO much time into it,
then, for home, went to the inferior NFS for shares.
Not nearly as nuanced/secure as SMB but it worked.
Hell, even THAT has deprecated params now ...
What Works MUST be destroyed !!!
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-29 13:12 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10itunl$1029n$6@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #80014 |
On 29/12/2025 06:00, c186282 wrote: > then, for home, went to the inferior NFS for shares. > Not nearly as nuanced/secure as SMB but it worked. Since the divorce, my home network is a trusted zone. NFS works just fine. -- Climate Change: Socialism wearing a lab coat.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-29 13:04 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <cb7a2mxku8.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #80009 |
On 2025-12-29 04:49, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
> On Mon, 29 Dec 2025 03:16:27 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>
>> Dec 14 22:02:17 Telcontar systemd[1]: smb.service: Failed with result 'exit-code'.
>
> OK, I tried introducing a config error into my own Samba setup, and
> got similar results to you: I was expecting smb{,d}.service to log errors
> parsing the configuration, but it does not.
>
> And I can’t see any obvious setting in smb.conf to tell it to do so.
>
> Just to be clear, this is a Samba shortcoming.
Ok, good to know it is not only openSUSE. As openSUSE uses (used!)
apparmour, the message came from it, not from samba.
--
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-30 19:14 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10j18an$20o2l$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #80009 |
On Mon, 29 Dec 2025 03:49:05 -0000 (UTC), I wrote:
> On Mon, 29 Dec 2025 03:16:27 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>
>> Dec 14 22:02:17 Telcontar systemd[1]: smb.service: Failed with result 'exit-code'.
>
> OK, I tried introducing a config error into my own Samba setup, and
> got similar results to you: I was expecting smb{,d}.service to log
> errors parsing the configuration, but it does not.
>
> And I can’t see any obvious setting in smb.conf to tell it to do so.
>
> Just to be clear, this is a Samba shortcoming.
I figured it out: Samba does log these errors, and you’ll find them in
/var/log/samba/log.smbd.
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