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| First post | 2025-11-27 20:10 +0100 |
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Re: Recent history of vi Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2025-11-27 20:10 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-11-27 20:19 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2025-12-03 13:44 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-27 20:44 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-11-28 07:54 -0500
Re: Recent history of vi Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-11-28 22:10 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi David Goodwin <david+usenet@zx.net.nz> - 2025-11-29 13:13 +1300
Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-29 02:57 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-29 13:35 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-29 13:45 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-11-29 15:06 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-29 11:20 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-11-29 12:45 -0700
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-30 10:37 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-30 11:06 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-30 16:20 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-01 08:54 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-13 08:22 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-12-13 11:55 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-13 14:44 +0000
Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-13 23:35 +0100
Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-14 01:48 +0000
Re: Python drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) - 2025-12-14 20:00 +0000
Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-14 20:43 +0000
Re: Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-15 02:40 -0500
Re: Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-15 18:48 +0000
Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-15 21:43 +0000
Re: Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-15 18:45 +0000
Re: Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-15 18:44 +0000
Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-15 22:17 +0000
Re: Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-15 23:55 +0000
Re: Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-19 22:57 +0100
Re: Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-13 23:27 -0500
Re: Python Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-12-14 11:56 +0000
Re: Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-14 23:29 +0000
Re: Python mm0fmf <none@invalid.com> - 2025-12-15 12:57 +0000
Re: Python Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-12-15 22:57 +0100
Re: Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-15 22:31 -0500
Re: Python Greg Ewing <greg.ewing@canterbury.ac.nz> - 2025-12-16 17:51 +1300
Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-16 08:32 +0000
Re: Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-16 21:45 +0000
Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-17 01:54 +0000
Re: Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-17 03:11 -0500
Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-17 19:17 +0000
Re: Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-17 22:10 -0500
Re: Python John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-12-18 03:28 +0000
Re: Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-17 23:02 -0500
Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-18 06:54 +0000
Re: Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-18 04:25 -0500
Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-18 19:22 +0000
Re: Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-19 01:14 -0500
Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-18 06:44 +0000
Re: Python Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-12-18 07:40 -0700
Re: Python Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-18 18:00 +0000
Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-18 18:28 +0000
Re: Python Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-12-18 12:52 -0700
Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-19 03:53 +0000
Re: Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-19 00:37 -0500
Re: Python "Michael F. Stemper" <michael.stemper@gmail.com> - 2026-03-04 10:32 -0600
Re: Python ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2026-03-04 20:01 +0000
Re: Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-03-04 21:29 +0100
Re: Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-04 20:37 +0000
Re: Python Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-03-04 14:09 -0700
Re: Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-04 22:35 +0000
Re: Python Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-04 23:10 +0000
Re: Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-03-04 20:30 -0500
Re: Python Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-03-04 20:13 -0700
Re: Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-05 03:49 +0000
Re: Python Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-03-05 17:42 +0000
Re: Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-03-05 20:02 +0100
Re: Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-03-05 14:42 -0500
Re: Python Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-06 00:12 +0000
Re: Python Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2026-03-06 09:02 +0000
Re: Python Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-03-05 02:44 +0000
Re: Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-05 03:50 +0000
Re: Python Piergiorgio Sartor <piergiorgio.sartor.this.should.not.be.used@nexgo.REMOVETHIS.de> - 2026-03-04 22:14 +0100
Re: Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-04 22:20 +0000
Re: Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-19 00:29 -0500
Re: Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-20 12:38 +0100
Re: Python Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2025-12-17 16:17 -0500
Re: Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-17 22:11 +0000
Re: Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-17 22:18 -0500
Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-18 07:07 +0000
Re: Python Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-17 22:13 +0000
Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-18 00:52 +0000
Re: Python Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-12-18 08:03 +0100
Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-18 07:39 +0000
Re: Python scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-12-18 15:43 +0000
Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-18 18:38 +0000
Re: Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-19 00:56 -0500
Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-19 08:18 +0000
Re: Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-19 03:30 -0500
Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-19 19:38 +0000
Re: Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-20 04:01 -0500
Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-21 04:08 +0000
Re: Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-27 22:36 +0100
Re: Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-18 09:55 +0000
Re: Python Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-12-18 11:19 +0100
Re: Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-18 12:36 +0000
Re: Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-14 23:36 -0500
Re: Python candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-12-19 13:30 +0000
Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-19 19:50 +0000
Re: Python scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-12-19 20:03 +0000
Re: Python Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-12-19 21:00 +0000
Re: Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-20 04:16 -0500
Re: Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-20 04:15 -0500
Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-21 04:14 +0000
Re: Python Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-12-21 09:06 -0500
Re: Python drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) - 2025-12-21 18:31 +0000
Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-21 21:00 +0000
Re: Python Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-12-22 07:29 +0100
Linux at work in the old days Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-12-22 07:20 -0500
Re: Linux at work in the old days rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-22 19:18 +0000
Re: Linux at work in the old days c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-23 01:41 -0500
Re: Linux at work in the old days Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-12-23 07:26 -0700
Re: Linux at work in the old days Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-23 20:21 +0000
Re: naughty Python John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-12-22 21:26 +0000
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-23 00:49 +0000
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-23 01:55 -0500
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-23 11:21 +0000
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-23 06:34 -0500
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-23 12:38 +0000
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-23 20:28 +0000
Re: naughty Python Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-23 14:21 -0800
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-23 23:55 +0000
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-24 05:33 -0500
The power of languages (Re: naughty Python) Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-24 15:49 +0000
Re: The power of languages (Re: naughty Python) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-24 23:28 +0000
Re: The power of languages (Re: naughty Python) Thomas Prufer <prufer.public@mnet-online.de.invalid> - 2025-12-27 15:29 +0100
Re: The power of languages (Re: naughty Python) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-27 21:21 +0000
Re: The power of languages (Re: naughty Python) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-27 23:17 +0000
Re: The power of languages (Re: naughty Python) Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-28 04:09 +0000
Re: The power of languages (Re: naughty Python) Bob Vloon <usenet@bananacorp.nl.invalid> - 2025-12-28 18:00 +0000
Re: naughty Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-28 22:22 +0100
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-28 21:06 -0500
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-29 04:04 +0000
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-29 01:07 -0500
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-29 06:38 +0000
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-29 02:31 -0500
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-29 17:09 +0000
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-29 13:35 +0000
Re: naughty Python Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-12-29 07:33 -0700
Re: naughty Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-29 21:59 +0000
Re: naughty Python John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-12-29 15:40 -0800
Re: naughty Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-30 01:30 +0000
Re: naughty Python John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-12-30 08:57 -0800
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-30 12:51 -0500
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-30 19:00 +0000
Re: naughty Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-30 19:06 +0000
Re: naughty Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-30 09:38 +0100
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-30 11:11 +0000
Re: naughty Python Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-12-30 07:38 -0700
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-30 15:04 +0000
Innovation (was Re: naughty Python) Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-30 21:40 +0000
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-30 22:02 +0000
Re: naughty Python Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-12-29 19:23 -0700
Re: naughty Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-30 03:53 +0000
OT: incompetence of companies (was: Re: naughty Python) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-30 10:03 +0000
Re: OT: incompetence of companies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-30 11:12 +0000
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-30 03:14 -0500
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-30 11:18 +0000
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-30 21:49 +0000
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-30 19:47 -0500
Re: naughty Python Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-31 01:01 +0000
Re: naughty Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-31 03:07 +0000
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-30 23:45 -0500
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-31 07:12 +0000
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-30 23:11 -0500
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-31 07:57 +0000
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-31 09:13 -0500
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-31 19:13 +0000
Re: naughty Python Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-31 18:55 +0000
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-31 14:21 -0500
Re: naughty Python Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-31 22:34 +0000
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-31 22:32 -0500
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-31 22:35 +0000
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-31 22:07 -0500
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-01 12:49 +0000
Re: naughty Python Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-01 07:28 -0700
Re: naughty Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-01 15:55 +0100
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 02:40 -0500
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-02 19:29 +0000
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 15:18 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-02 22:22 +0100
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-03 08:31 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-03 20:12 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-04 07:56 -0700
Re: naughty Pascal Don_from_AZ <djatechNOSPAM@comcast.net.invalid> - 2026-01-04 09:22 -0700
Re: naughty Pascal Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-04 21:16 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-04 21:00 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-04 15:11 +0100
Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-05 10:49 -0800
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-05 19:57 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-05 20:37 -0700
Re: naughty Pascal Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-06 04:10 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-05 23:21 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-06 06:28 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-06 18:57 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-06 16:04 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-06 14:22 -0800
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-06 20:47 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-07 02:00 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-06 22:37 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-07 08:56 -0800
Re: naughty Pascal Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-08 04:57 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Ian <${send-direct-email-to-news1021-at-jusme-dot-com-if-you-must}@jusme.com> - 2026-01-08 09:57 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-07 08:57 -0800
Re: naughty Pascal Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-01-07 09:41 -0800
Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-07 10:29 -0800
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-07 22:33 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-08 04:57 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-08 00:42 -0500
Re: Naughty Advertising (was Re: naughty Pascal) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-08 07:01 +0000
Re: Naughty Advertising (was Re: naughty Pascal) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-08 08:45 -0800
Re: Naughty Advertising (was Re: naughty Pascal) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-08 18:23 +0000
Re: Naughty Advertising (was Re: naughty Pascal) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-08 19:16 +0000
Re: Naughty Advertising (was Re: naughty Pascal) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-08 20:11 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-08 11:27 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-08 19:16 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-08 20:23 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-09 01:48 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-01-08 19:32 -0800
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-08 23:36 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-09 06:44 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-08 18:46 -0800
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-08 22:15 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-08 20:13 -0800
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-08 23:40 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-08 22:23 -0800
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-09 07:04 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-09 07:58 -0800
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-09 18:47 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-09 20:08 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-09 10:00 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-09 08:06 -0800
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-09 18:51 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-09 10:54 -0800
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-09 20:36 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-09 13:24 -0800
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-10 10:27 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-10 07:42 -0700
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-10 19:44 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-10 13:03 -0700
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-10 23:56 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-11 11:02 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-01-10 15:39 -0800
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-11 11:05 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-11 21:49 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-11 21:19 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-12 07:45 -0700
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-12 18:35 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-12 20:52 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-12 20:58 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-13 06:03 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-13 12:45 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-12 14:26 -0800
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-12 18:17 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-13 06:26 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-13 09:26 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-13 05:56 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-20 14:26 +0100
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-20 13:29 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-11 11:01 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-10 18:23 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-01-10 15:50 -0800
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-10 22:48 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-11 11:19 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-11 11:17 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-11 11:07 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-11 16:47 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-11 19:44 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2026-01-10 12:14 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-10 09:45 -0800
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-09 20:32 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-10 20:51 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-10 20:03 -0700
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-10 22:31 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-11 05:39 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-11 01:17 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-11 11:00 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-11 11:47 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-11 11:29 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2026-01-11 17:44 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-11 19:46 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2026-01-11 20:23 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-11 20:30 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2026-01-11 21:17 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-11 18:05 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-11 17:58 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-12 03:47 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-12 23:41 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-12 22:58 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-13 05:40 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-13 07:41 -0700
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-13 12:38 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-13 18:00 +0000
Naughty Cat Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-13 14:29 -0500
Re: Naughty Cat rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-14 00:42 +0000
Re: Naughty Cat Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-14 07:27 -0700
Re: naughty Pascal scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-13 19:34 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-14 00:49 +0000
Tinned tuna [Was: naughty Pascal] "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-20 14:58 +0100
Oil down the drain [Was: naughty Pascal] "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-20 14:53 +0100
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-11 20:57 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-12 11:50 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-12 18:31 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-11 07:43 -0700
Re: naughty Pascal scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-11 16:44 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-11 21:34 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2026-01-11 21:38 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-12 08:11 -0800
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-12 18:45 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-12 19:52 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-13 05:22 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-13 00:37 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-13 08:18 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-12 13:15 -0700
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-12 18:10 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-12 00:47 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-12 04:10 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-12 15:44 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-12 18:52 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-12 20:46 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-12 18:12 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-13 05:50 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-13 12:41 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-13 18:17 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-13 22:41 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-14 01:01 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-16 21:40 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Daniel <me@sc1f1dan.com> - 2026-01-18 12:30 -0800
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-18 21:08 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-19 16:22 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-13 09:23 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-12 08:25 -0800
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-12 18:22 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-11 11:26 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-11 21:35 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-12 11:57 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-12 23:41 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-13 06:32 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Harold Stevens <wookie@aspen.localdomain> - 2026-01-13 04:35 -0600
Re: naughty Pascal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-20 15:38 +0100
Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-09 09:36 -0800
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-09 06:58 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-01-09 09:19 -0800
Re: naughty Pascal Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-07 06:33 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-07 09:55 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-07 21:46 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-08 04:57 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-07 18:48 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-07 06:33 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-07 07:31 -0700
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-05 23:18 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-06 07:42 -0700
Re: naughty Pascal Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-06 20:01 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-07 07:27 -0700
Re: naughty Pascal antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-01-06 22:32 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-06 20:53 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-01-07 11:51 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-06 08:20 -0800
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-06 10:15 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-06 06:33 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-06 19:20 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-06 09:14 -0800
Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-05 12:33 -0700
Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-05 11:50 -0800
Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-05 13:37 -0800
Re: naughty Pascal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-06 13:19 +0100
Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-06 08:30 -0800
Re: naughty Pascal cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-01-06 17:04 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-06 16:30 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-07 13:40 +0100
Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-07 07:47 -0700
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-07 20:08 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-07 20:18 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-08 04:57 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-08 00:36 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-08 07:00 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-08 08:33 -0800
Re: naughty Pascal Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-08 20:00 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-08 20:21 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-08 22:45 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-08 23:52 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-09 16:03 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-08 07:51 -0700
Re: naughty Pascal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-07 13:38 +0100
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-07 22:03 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-07 19:21 -0700
Re: naughty Pascal Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-08 02:26 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-07 23:20 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-08 11:20 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-08 08:34 -0800
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-08 20:19 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-09 01:42 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-09 09:57 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-08 14:43 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-08 20:15 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-09 01:44 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-09 09:56 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-08 19:28 -0700
Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-08 07:47 -0700
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-08 19:52 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-08 22:45 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-09 01:35 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-09 10:02 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-09 08:16 -0700
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-09 18:46 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-09 20:40 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-09 20:38 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-09 20:56 -0700
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-10 10:58 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-01-10 03:12 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-10 19:39 +0000
Re: naughty useless code (was Re: naughty Pascal) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-10 20:52 +0000
Re: naughty useless code (was Re: naughty Pascal) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-11 00:02 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-09 16:04 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-08 20:54 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-09 06:36 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-09 08:13 -0700
Re: Naughty PL/I (was Re: naughty Pascal) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-09 18:38 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-01-10 14:40 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-10 20:50 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-11 02:00 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-11 16:55 +0000
Re: Naughty Fortran (was Re: naughty Pascal) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-11 20:24 +0000
Re: Naughty Fortran (was Re: naughty Pascal) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-11 18:00 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-11 21:31 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-08 19:49 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-08 20:43 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-10 19:39 +0000
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-10 20:47 +0000
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-11 00:27 +0000
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-10 18:41 -0800
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-10 20:06 -0700
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-10 22:44 -0500
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-11 07:40 -0700
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-11 03:50 +0000
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Harold Stevens <wookie@aspen.localdomain> - 2026-01-11 05:55 -0600
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-01-11 14:18 +0000
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2026-01-11 17:00 +0100
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-11 20:44 +0000
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-12 11:49 +0000
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-12 07:52 -0700
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-12 17:03 +0000
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-12 19:57 +0000
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-12 20:05 +0000
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2026-01-12 20:16 +0000
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-13 05:01 +0000
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2026-01-13 06:31 +0000
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-13 08:09 +0000
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2026-01-13 14:21 +0000
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-13 17:54 +0000
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-13 04:46 +0000
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-13 04:31 +0000
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-12 19:56 +0000
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-13 00:24 +0000
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-13 00:36 +0000
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-12 23:04 -0500
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-11 01:52 -0500
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-10 23:34 -0800
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-11 02:50 -0500
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-01-11 14:55 +0000
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-01-12 02:42 +0000
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-12 07:50 -0700
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-12 09:14 -0800
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-12 13:12 -0700
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Harold Stevens <wookie@aspen.localdomain> - 2026-01-12 14:48 -0600
Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-11 07:48 -0700
Re: naughty Pascal antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-01-11 01:32 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-11 11:21 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-06 19:22 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-07 13:41 +0100
Re: naughty Pascal Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-05 21:42 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-05 20:33 -0700
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-05 22:58 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-05 20:27 -0700
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-05 22:54 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-06 07:40 -0700
Re: naughty Pascal Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-06 04:09 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-06 10:10 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-06 07:46 -0700
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-06 17:19 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-06 12:39 -0700
Re: naughty Pascal cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-01-06 19:56 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-07 06:33 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-07 09:44 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-06 19:57 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-06 21:53 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-06 19:17 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-06 16:06 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-01-06 23:44 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-07 09:57 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-07 09:56 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-07 22:08 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-08 11:21 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-08 04:57 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-08 00:41 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-08 11:26 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-08 19:59 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-08 22:45 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-08 21:00 -0500
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-08 20:00 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-08 20:09 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-09 02:02 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-09 10:05 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-09 16:02 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-09 18:48 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-09 20:27 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-10 10:15 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-06 15:31 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-06 10:39 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-06 09:25 -0800
Re: naughty Pascal scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-05 20:35 +0000
Re: naughty Pascal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-06 13:25 +0100
Re: naughty Pascal Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-06 20:00 +0000
Re: naughty Python Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-02 14:51 -0700
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-01 21:00 +0000
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-01 21:43 +0000
Re: naughty Python antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-01-01 23:54 +0000
Re: naughty Python Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-01 20:14 -0700
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-02 06:03 +0000
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-02 11:02 +0000
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-02 05:59 +0000
Re: naughty Python ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2026-01-02 06:01 +0000
Re: naughty Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-02 06:58 +0000
Re: naughty Python ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2026-01-02 17:14 +0000
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 14:58 -0500
Re: naughty Python ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2026-01-02 21:11 +0000
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 05:37 -0500
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-02 11:04 +0000
Re: naughty Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-02 12:24 +0100
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 06:51 -0500
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-02 19:56 +0000
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-02 10:59 +0000
Re: naughty Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-02 12:27 +0100
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 06:54 -0500
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-02 11:57 +0000
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 07:10 -0500
Re: naughty Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-02 14:34 +0100
Re: naughty Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-02 14:38 +0100
Re: naughty Python John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-02 08:49 -0800
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-01-02 18:26 +0000
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 15:08 -0500
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-01-02 20:32 +0000
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-03 00:08 +0000
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-01-03 02:47 +0000
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-03 07:03 -0500
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-03 19:43 +0000
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-04 06:42 -0500
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-04 20:29 +0000
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-04 15:14 +0100
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-04 09:43 -0500
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-04 19:41 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-04 21:18 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-04 19:04 -0500
Re: Naughty C♯ rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-05 03:55 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-05 11:29 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-05 06:59 -0500
Re: Naughty C♯ Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-05 06:55 -0500
Re: Naughty C♯ rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-05 17:43 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2026-01-05 18:08 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-05 20:32 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-05 17:25 -0500
Re: Naughty C♯ Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-01-06 07:55 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-06 06:19 -0500
Re: Naughty C♯ c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-05 08:26 -0500
Re: Naughty C♯ rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-05 18:09 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-05 18:16 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-05 05:57 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-05 17:48 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-05 18:09 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-05 18:20 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-05 18:24 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-05 21:44 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-05 19:31 -0500
Re: Naughty C♯ antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-01-06 12:16 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-06 11:12 -0500
Re: Naughty C♯ cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-01-06 16:25 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-06 17:59 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-01-06 19:59 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-06 21:57 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-01-07 13:37 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-07 15:30 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-06 17:26 +0000
Re: Re: Naughty C♯ cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-01-06 17:50 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-06 19:06 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-06 16:24 -0500
Re: Naughty C♯ antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-01-06 23:10 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-07 00:22 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-06 21:00 -0500
Re: Naughty C♯ rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-07 21:24 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-01-08 01:00 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-07 06:33 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-07 15:27 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-07 21:29 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-07 10:02 +0000
Re: Re: Naughty C♯ cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-01-07 11:53 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-07 07:34 -0700
Re: Re: Naughty C♯ cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-01-07 15:13 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-07 12:20 -0700
Re: Naughty C♯ John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-07 11:40 -0800
Re: Naughty C♯ Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-07 20:20 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-07 21:36 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-07 20:09 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-06 13:36 +0100
Re: Naughty C♯ Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-06 07:55 -0700
Re: Naughty PL/I (was Re: Naughty C♯) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-06 20:04 +0000
What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-01-06 15:15 +0000
Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-06 18:57 +0000
Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-06 20:10 +0000
Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-06 21:59 +0000
Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-06 22:54 +0000
Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-07 01:40 +0000
Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-07 06:33 +0000
Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-07 13:30 +0100
Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-07 22:49 +0000
Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-08 00:47 -0500
Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-08 11:23 +0000
Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-08 19:16 +0000
Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-08 20:34 +0000
Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-08 22:45 +0000
Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) sean@conman.org - 2026-01-09 00:23 +0000
Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-09 04:54 +0000
Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-09 07:08 +0000
Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-09 16:18 +0000
Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-12 15:44 +0100
Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-12 18:57 +0000
Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-12 19:59 +0000
Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-13 06:13 -0500
Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-13 18:22 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-06 17:17 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-06 18:59 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-05 11:26 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-05 03:34 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-05 08:24 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-05 19:06 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-05 06:50 -0500
Re: Naughty C♯ Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-01-06 08:03 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-06 19:11 +0000
Re: Naughty C♯ Bob Vloon <usenet@bananacorp.nl.invalid> - 2026-01-07 12:01 +0000
Re: Naughty Java (was Re: Naughty C♯) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-07 20:18 +0000
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-05 03:09 +0000
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-05 13:31 +0100
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-04 20:04 +0000
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-05 13:25 +0100
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-05 15:47 +0000
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-05 21:45 +0000
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-05 09:20 -0800
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2026-01-05 18:10 +0000
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-05 21:45 +0000
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2026-01-05 23:28 +0000
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-06 00:14 +0000
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-06 00:23 +0000
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-06 00:57 +0000
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-06 06:24 +0000
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-06 08:14 -0800
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-06 18:57 +0000
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-06 11:03 -0800
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-07 06:33 +0000
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-07 09:00 -0800
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-07 12:23 -0500
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-08 14:01 +0100
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2026-01-07 20:55 +0000
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-06 20:58 +0000
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-07 09:48 +0000
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-07 20:17 +0000
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-08 04:57 +0000
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-06 15:29 +0000
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-06 06:21 -0500
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-05 18:13 +0000
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-05 18:16 +0000
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-04 19:48 +0000
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-05 13:37 +0100
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-04 21:17 +0000
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-05 04:01 +0000
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-05 07:07 -0500
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-05 11:05 -0800
Re: C structure portability, naughty Python scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-03 18:32 +0000
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-02 19:38 +0000
Re: naughty Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-02 21:33 +0000
Re: naughty Python Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-02 15:00 -0700
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-03 00:52 +0000
Re: naughty Python Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-02 19:51 -0700
Re: naughty Python Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-03 06:09 +0000
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-03 20:38 +0000
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-03 16:58 -0500
Re: naughty Python Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-04 08:01 -0700
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-04 16:25 -0500
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-05 04:12 +0000
Re: naughty Python Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-04 07:14 -0500
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-04 20:25 +0000
Re: naughty Python Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-04 07:59 -0700
Re: naughty Python Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2026-01-04 16:31 +0000
Re: naughty Python Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-04 19:41 +0000
Re: naughty Python Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2026-01-04 20:05 +0000
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-05 04:17 +0000
Re: naughty Python Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-05 05:57 +0000
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-05 19:20 +0000
Re: naughty Python Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-05 17:35 -0500
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-06 06:36 +0000
Re: naughty Python Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-01-06 03:31 +0000
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-06 10:20 +0000
Case-dependant file systems Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-01-06 18:48 +0000
Re: Case-dependent file systems Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-06 22:02 +0000
Re: Case-dependent file systems Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-01-07 00:27 +0000
Re: Case-dependent file systems Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-07 02:09 +0000
Re: Case-dependent file systems Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-01-07 14:18 +0000
Re: Case-dependent file systems Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-07 20:40 +0000
Re: Case-dependent file systems Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-07 22:23 +0000
Re: Case-dependent file systems Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-01-10 14:36 +0000
Re: Case-dependent file systems Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-01-10 14:53 +0000
Re: Case-dependent file systems Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-10 15:08 +0000
Re: Case-dependent file systems Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-11 02:00 +0000
Re: Case-dependent file systems Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-01-11 14:34 +0000
Re: Case-dependent file systems Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-01-11 16:14 +0000
Re: Case-dependent file systems Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-11 20:31 +0000
Re: Case-dependent file systems Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-01-11 21:38 +0000
Re: Case-dependant file systems Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-06 23:09 +0000
Re: Case-dependant file systems "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-08 14:17 +0100
Re: Case-dependant file systems The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-08 13:36 +0000
Re: Case-dependant file systems Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-01-08 14:05 +0000
Re: Case-dependant file systems Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-01-08 14:15 +0000
Re: Case-dependant file systems Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-08 14:02 +0000
Re: Case-dependant file systems Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-01-08 14:13 +0000
Re: Case-dependant file systems Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-08 22:12 +0000
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-06 21:08 +0000
Re: C structures, was naughty Python John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-01-02 22:41 +0000
Re: C structures, was naughty Python John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-02 15:44 -0800
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 02:19 -0500
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 02:08 -0500
Re: naughty Python Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-02 02:18 +0000
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-31 21:57 +0000
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-31 20:07 -0500
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-01 12:17 +0000
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 00:06 -0500
Re: language design, naughty Python John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-01-02 18:30 +0000
Re: language design, naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 15:15 -0500
Re: language design, naughty Python John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-01-02 20:34 +0000
Re: language design, naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-03 00:17 +0000
Re: language design, naughty Python Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-03 07:11 -0500
Re: language design, naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-03 19:46 +0000
Re: language design, naughty Python Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-04 06:45 -0500
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-31 03:05 +0000
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-30 23:42 -0500
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-31 07:55 +0000
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-31 09:12 -0500
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-31 19:03 +0000
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-31 14:50 -0500
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-31 12:39 +0000
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-31 09:21 -0500
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-31 15:08 +0000
Re: naughty Python Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-31 15:38 +0000
Re: naughty Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-31 20:41 +0000
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-01 00:55 +0000
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-31 22:11 -0500
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-01 13:09 +0000
The Egg (was: Re: naughty Python) vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2026-01-02 01:54 +0000
Re: naughty Python Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-02 02:18 +0000
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-02 11:10 +0000
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 06:39 -0500
Re: naughty Python Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-02 07:51 -0700
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-02 19:34 +0000
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-01 12:12 +0000
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-31 22:17 +0000
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-31 11:46 -0500
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-31 22:28 +0000
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-31 21:50 -0500
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-01 12:37 +0000
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 01:15 -0500
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-02 11:35 +0000
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-02 20:02 +0000
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-31 12:23 +0000
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-31 09:16 -0500
Re: naughty Python antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-01-01 10:30 +0000
Re: naughty Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-01 19:00 +0000
Re: naughty Python Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-01 19:12 +0000
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-01 20:10 +0000
Re: naughty Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-01 21:37 +0100
Re: naughty Python Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-02 02:18 +0000
Re: naughty Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-02 03:23 +0000
Re: naughty Python Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-02 04:56 +0000
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-02 06:24 +0000
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-02 06:32 +0000
Re: naughty Python "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-01-02 13:06 +0000
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 09:41 -0500
Electronic calculators "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-02 21:57 +0100
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-02 19:36 +0000
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-02 19:57 +0000
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-03 01:07 +0000
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-03 08:36 +0000
Re: naughty Python antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-01-03 08:50 +0000
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-03 10:54 +0000
Re: naughty Python Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-03 07:39 -0700
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-03 14:22 -0500
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-03 20:14 +0000
Re: naughty Python Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-04 07:57 -0700
Re: naughty Python scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-03 18:34 +0000
Re: naughty Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-02 21:47 +0100
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-03 00:27 +0000
Re: naughty Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-03 14:24 +0100
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-03 14:08 -0500
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-03 20:48 +0000
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-01 21:01 +0000
Re: naughty Python antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-01-02 02:53 +0000
Re: naughty Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-02 03:24 +0000
Re: naughty Python antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-01-02 05:04 +0000
Re: naughty Python Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-02 13:15 +0000
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 02:44 -0500
Re: naughty Python Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-02 07:43 -0700
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 10:06 -0500
Re: naughty Python Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2026-01-02 17:41 +0000
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 15:04 -0500
Re: naughty Python Ian <${send-direct-email-to-news1021-at-jusme-dot-com-if-you-must}@jusme.com> - 2026-01-03 08:01 +0000
Re: naughty Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-02 20:56 +0000
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-03 00:44 +0000
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-01 20:05 +0000
Re: naughty Python antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-01-02 15:27 +0000
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-02 19:21 +0000
Re: naughty Python antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-01-03 02:12 +0000
Re: naughty Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-03 03:15 +0000
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 14:25 -0500
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-01 23:35 -0500
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-02 06:35 +0000
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-02 11:13 +0000
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-02 19:46 +0000
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-02 19:58 +0000
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-03 01:03 +0000
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-03 08:34 +0000
Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-03 20:54 +0000
Re: naughty Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-04 15:19 +0100
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 15:26 -0500
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-31 12:17 +0000
Re: naughty Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-29 13:27 +0100
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-29 13:34 +0000
Re: naughty Python John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-12-29 09:53 -0800
Re: naughty Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-29 21:37 +0100
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-30 02:56 -0500
Re: naughty Python Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-30 18:53 +0000
Re: naughty Python John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-12-29 04:43 +0000
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-29 01:22 -0500
Re: naughty Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-29 13:34 +0100
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-24 12:41 +0000
Re: naughty Python Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-24 23:28 +0000
Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-24 21:30 -0500
Intellectuals (Re: naughty Python) Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-25 22:05 +0000
Re: Intellectuals (Re: naughty Python) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-25 22:20 -0500
Re: Intellectuals (Re: naughty Python) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-26 07:02 +0000
Re: Intellectuals (Re: naughty Python) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-26 02:16 -0500
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-24 12:40 +0000
Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-24 12:32 +0000
Re: Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-27 22:40 +0100
Re: Python Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-27 23:21 +0000
Re: Python dillinger <dillinger@invalid.not> - 2025-12-28 02:05 +0100
Re: Python Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-27 18:16 -0800
Re: Python dillinger <dillinger@invalid.not> - 2025-12-28 04:59 +0100
Re: Python Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-28 08:32 -0800
Re: Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-28 13:48 +0100
Re: Python dillinger <dillinger@invalid.not> - 2025-12-28 14:14 +0100
Re: Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-28 14:42 +0100
Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-28 17:41 +0000
Re: Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-28 22:11 +0100
Re: Python Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-12-28 22:06 +0000
Re: Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-28 23:30 +0100
Re: Python Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2025-12-29 10:47 +0000
Re: Python Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2025-12-29 11:11 +0000
Re: Python Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-01-04 14:15 +0000
Re: Python Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2026-01-04 16:34 +0000
Re: Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-28 21:23 -0500
Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-29 04:15 +0000
Re: Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-29 01:17 -0500
Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-29 06:40 +0000
Re: Python Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-28 23:20 -0800
Re: Python Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-29 10:42 +0000
Re: Python Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-12-29 07:31 -0700
Re: Python Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-29 15:52 +0000
Re: Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-29 11:12 -0500
Re: Python Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-29 20:48 +0000
Re: Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-30 02:58 -0500
Re: Python Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-30 10:03 +0000
Re: Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-30 11:06 +0000
Re: Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-29 17:28 +0000
Re: Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-29 21:50 +0100
Re: Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-30 11:06 +0000
Re: Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-30 01:13 -0500
Re: Python Diego Garcia <dg@linux.rocks> - 2025-12-30 08:08 +0000
Re: Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-30 11:14 +0000
Re: Python Farley Flud <fsquared@fsquared.linux> - 2025-12-30 12:43 +0000
Re: Python Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-30 17:34 +0000
Re: Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-30 15:55 -0500
Re: one time pads, not Python John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-01-02 04:55 +0000
Re: one time pads, not Python Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-02 09:15 +0000
Re: one time pads, not Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 05:45 -0500
Re: one time pads, not Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-02 20:59 +0000
Re: one time pads, not Python Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-02 21:17 +0000
Re: one time pads, not Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-03 08:26 +0000
Re: one time pads, not Python Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-03 11:45 +0000
Re: one time pads, not Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-03 20:56 +0000
Re: one time pads, not Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 05:14 -0500
Re: Python antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-12-30 18:46 +0000
Re: Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-30 19:03 +0000
Re: Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-30 15:43 -0500
Re: “Quantum” Computing (was Re: Python) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-29 21:56 +0000
Re: “Quantum” Computing (was Re: Python) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-30 03:17 -0500
Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-29 17:15 +0000
Re: Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-29 02:52 -0500
Re: Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-29 13:40 +0000
Re: Python Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-12-29 07:29 -0700
Re: Python Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-29 16:27 +0000
Re: Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-20 02:52 -0500
Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-21 04:00 +0000
Re: Python candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-12-23 16:00 +0000
Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-23 20:30 +0000
Re: Python scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-12-23 21:14 +0000
Re: Python Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-12-19 20:57 +0000
Re: Python Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-19 22:09 +0000
Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-20 05:37 +0000
Re: Python Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-12-20 10:34 +0000
Re: Python Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-20 11:45 +0000
Re: Python Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-12-20 13:32 +0000
Re: Python Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-20 16:36 +0000
Re: Python Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-20 16:37 +0000
Re: Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-14 13:16 +0100
Re: Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-15 00:45 -0500
Re: Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-15 18:55 +0000
Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-15 22:39 +0000
Re: Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-15 23:53 +0000
Re: Python (was Re: Recent history of vi) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-14 02:05 +0000
Re: Python (was Re: Recent history of vi) candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-12-19 13:30 +0000
Re: Python (was Re: Recent history of vi) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-19 20:58 +0000
Re: Python (was Re: Recent history of vi) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-20 05:48 +0000
Re: Python (was Re: Recent history of vi) Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-20 10:12 +0000
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| From | Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> |
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| Date | 2026-01-03 07:11 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: language design, naughty Python |
| Message-ID | <10jb119$172cb$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #80368 |
rbowman wrote this post by blinking in Morse code:
> On Fri, 2 Jan 2026 15:15:53 -0500, c186282 wrote:
>
>> I *like* to make 'perfect' structuring that will handle anything, but
>> at times there was time pressure to "make it work" and I could not
>> spend days/weeks trying to get it 'just perfect'.
>
> We had a couple of programmers who tried to handle all possible
> eventualities. Typically the eventualities never evidenced or whatever the
> theoretical future does, leaving a very complex piece of code to do the
> task at hand.
>
> Solve tomorrow's problems tomorrow.
1 Thou shalt run lint frequently and study its pronouncements with
care, for verily its perception and judgement oft exceed thine.
2 Thou shalt not follow the NULL pointer, for chaos and madness
await thee at its end.
3 Thou shalt cast all function arguments to the expected type if
they are not of that type already, even when thou art
convinced that this is unnecessary, lest they take cruel
vengeance upon thee when thou least expect it.
4 If thy header files fail to declare the return types of thy
library functions, thou shalt declare them thyself with the
most meticulous care, lest grievous harm befall thy program.
5 Thou shalt check the array bounds of all strings (indeed, all
arrays), for surely where thou typest ‘‘foo’’ someone
someday shall type ‘‘supercalifragilisticexpialidocious’’.
6 If a function be advertised to return an error code in the event
of difficulties, thou shalt check for that code, yea, even
though the checks triple the size of thy code and produce
aches in thy typing fingers, for if thou thinkest ‘‘it
cannot happen to me’’, the gods shall surely punish thee for
thy arrogance.
7 Thou shalt study thy libraries and strive not to re-invent them
without cause, that thy code may be short and readable and
thy days pleasant and productive.
8 Thou shalt make thy program’s purpose and structure clear to thy
fellow man by using the One True Brace Style, even if thou
likest it not, for thy creativity is better used in solving
problems than in creating beautiful new impediments to
understanding.
9 Thy external identifiers shall be unique in the first six
characters, though this harsh discipline be irksome and the
years of its necessity stretch before thee seemingly without
end, lest thou tear thy hair out and go mad on that fateful
day when thou desirest to make thy program run on an old
system.
10 Thou shalt foreswear, renounce, and abjure the vile heresy
which claimeth that ‘‘All the world’s a VAX’’, and have no
commerce with the benighted heathens who cling to this
barbarous belief, that the days of thy program may be long
even though the days of thy current machine be short.
--
But I always fired into the nearest hill or, failing that, into blackness.
I meant no harm; I just liked the explosions. And I was careful never to
kill more than I could eat.
-- Raoul Duke
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-01-03 19:46 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: language design, naughty Python |
| Message-ID | <mrta0vFh1ovU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #80411 |
On Sat, 3 Jan 2026 07:11:19 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote: > 3 Thou shalt cast all function arguments to the expected type if > they are not of that type already, even when thou art convinced > that this is unnecessary, lest they take cruel vengeance upon thee > when thou least expect it. Corollary: thou shalt be sparing in thy use of const lest future generations curse thy name.
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| From | Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> |
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| Date | 2026-01-04 06:45 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: language design, naughty Python |
| Message-ID | <10jdjt9$1ugk4$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #80426 |
rbowman wrote this post by blinking in Morse code:
> On Sat, 3 Jan 2026 07:11:19 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
>> 3 Thou shalt cast all function arguments to the expected type if
>> they are not of that type already, even when thou art convinced
>> that this is unnecessary, lest they take cruel vengeance upon thee
>> when thou least expect it.
>
> Corollary: thou shalt be sparing in thy use of const lest future
> generations curse thy name.
const can be annoying, but it forces one to *think*, which, as you
hint, can cause cursing.
:-D
--
The truth is not free. It's that simple. If you change the truth, it is no
longer true - so the truth is not free!
-- Jules Bean about freeness of documentation
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-12-31 03:05 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: naughty Python |
| Message-ID | <mrji7sFqvk0U5@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #80141 |
On Tue, 30 Dec 2025 19:47:23 -0500, c186282 wrote: > Ah, LISP, the only language composed entirely of randomly spaced > brackets As I've said I spent one winter curled up with the Scheme Wizard book. It requires a unique way of thinking. > They've THOUGHT they had 'AI' more than once. Minsky was sure it'd be > easy during the 60s. Then, as you said, the 80s came and went but no > 'AI' worth a damn. Much of the neural network operations are still the same today but the hardware didn't exist to do millions of tensor operations in any finite time for anything but a toy app. 'I need 50 billion to build a center that will suck up the power and water from three states' wasn't going to happen even if the hardware did exist. The neural network approach was taken over by 'expert systems' The problem was you more or less needed a human expert on hand. Blend NN and expert and you have something that sucks in petabytes of data, sort of links together tokens (words) that commonly are used together, declares itself an expert, and spits out pieces it has acquired like a vomiting magpie.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-12-30 23:42 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: naughty Python |
| Message-ID | <sHCdncE6cu8nNMn0nZ2dnZfqn_qdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #80145 |
On 12/30/25 22:05, rbowman wrote: > On Tue, 30 Dec 2025 19:47:23 -0500, c186282 wrote: > > >> Ah, LISP, the only language composed entirely of randomly spaced >> brackets > > As I've said I spent one winter curled up with the Scheme Wizard book. It > requires a unique way of thinking. > >> They've THOUGHT they had 'AI' more than once. Minsky was sure it'd be >> easy during the 60s. Then, as you said, the 80s came and went but no >> 'AI' worth a damn. > > Much of the neural network operations are still the same today but the > hardware didn't exist to do millions of tensor operations in any finite > time for anything but a toy app. 'I need 50 billion to build a center that > will suck up the power and water from three states' wasn't going to happen > even if the hardware did exist. Goog and Musk WILL get their gigawatts .... > The neural network approach was taken over by 'expert systems' The > problem was you more or less needed a human expert on hand. Blend NN and > expert and you have something that sucks in petabytes of data, sort of > links together tokens (words) that commonly are used together, declares > itself an expert, and spits out pieces it has acquired like a vomiting > magpie. NNs are a distinct tech from LLMs. In *theory* they have great potential ... and could be rather compact, fit inside a bot. However to realize this, special hardware is required, elements that are sort-of like neurons. They ARE getting there, I see articles from time to time. Had a nice book on NNs long back when the idea was first popular. Actually a "tome", like 500 pages. Alas I put it in the trash eventually because the tech of the time wasn't nearly up to the theory. However NNs wind up being done it won't be a 1980s model. According to Penrose, you need a quantum system - with its random mistakes - to emulate a brain. Kind of doubt that, but now we ARE seeing quantum computing so I guess we'll see. Direct, brute-force, silicon representations of neurons is stupid though. "Neuron-ISH", most characteristics but more as math or physical relationships, looks to be the future. In any case, a tech worth keeping an eye on.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-12-31 07:55 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: naughty Python |
| Message-ID | <mrk37fFtgdaU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #80151 |
On Tue, 30 Dec 2025 23:42:19 -0500, c186282 wrote: > NNs are a distinct tech from LLMs. In *theory* they > have great potential ... and could be rather compact, > fit inside a bot. However to realize this, special hardware is > required, elements that are sort-of like neurons. They ARE getting > there, I see articles from time to time. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transformer_(deep_learning) Transformers are based on NNs and are an improvement on recurrent neural networks. I sort of miss one of my favorite terms 'long short term memory'. The wiki page starts off slow and then gets deep into the murk. The whole field tends to be headache inducing. Humans do fine in three dimensional Euclidean space with x, y, and z. Throw in w for the fourth dimension and the woo-woo starts particularly if it's interpreted as time. After that it's all Cloud Cuckoo Land. The tensor operations that worked in 3 or 4 dimensions work in any number of dimensions since it's all math but let's not think too hard about what it means. Consider Word2Vec... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Word2vec Three dimensions and you can visualize those words over in that corner of the cube sort of hand together. 400 dimensions and you have sort of a problem. Then you get to the improvements on Word2Vec... I've got a feeling that the people who are really, really good at this are also really, really weird.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-12-31 09:12 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: naughty Python |
| Message-ID | <6I-cnbjTB7jSssj0nZ2dnZfqn_ednZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #80155 |
On 12/31/25 02:55, rbowman wrote: > On Tue, 30 Dec 2025 23:42:19 -0500, c186282 wrote: > >> NNs are a distinct tech from LLMs. In *theory* they >> have great potential ... and could be rather compact, >> fit inside a bot. However to realize this, special hardware is >> required, elements that are sort-of like neurons. They ARE getting >> there, I see articles from time to time. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transformer_(deep_learning) > > Transformers are based on NNs and are an improvement on recurrent neural > networks. I sort of miss one of my favorite terms 'long short term > memory'. > > The wiki page starts off slow and then gets deep into the murk. The whole > field tends to be headache inducing. Humans do fine in three dimensional > Euclidean space with x, y, and z. Throw in w for the fourth dimension and > the woo-woo starts particularly if it's interpreted as time. After that > it's all Cloud Cuckoo Land. The tensor operations that worked in 3 or 4 > dimensions work in any number of dimensions since it's all math but let's > not think too hard about what it means. > > Consider Word2Vec... > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Word2vec Sounds vaguely like an idea I once toyed with ... an "infinitely"-cross-indexed database :-) > Three dimensions and you can visualize those words over in that corner of > the cube sort of hand together. 400 dimensions and you have sort of a > problem. Then you get to the improvements on Word2Vec... 'Associations' are important in language processing, but they tend to expand exponentially and very soon you have a gigantic fur-ball. How to 'sensibly' constrain, channel, the depth and breadth of that ? You almost need an AI to manage the AI to manage the AI ......... I sometimes think real brains ARE kind of organized like that, 'micro minds' all doing their little things. > I've got a feeling that the people who are really, really good at this are > also really, really weird. This shit gets deep REALLY quick. Maybe if I was 13 again ... And yes, there ARE some people who just LOVE this sort of thing and every one I've met ... yea ... "weird". As for practical NNs ... the physical layer can be several things. You can emulate the required bits of a neuron in software. The holy grail is very tiny dedicated components the size of on-chip transistors but ultimately do much more. About 10 years ago the "memristor" was seen as a step in that direction but frankly I haven't seen them used in much of anything practical. Memristor-LIKE characteristics will be desired in any all-in-one solution. Neurons are weird unto themselves, they are not just one-shot pulsers with multiple weighted inputs. A couple billion years worth of selection involved in making neurons ....
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-12-31 19:03 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: naughty Python |
| Message-ID | <mrlabhF72kiU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #80169 |
On Wed, 31 Dec 2025 09:12:30 -0500, c186282 wrote: > As for practical NNs ... the physical layer can be several things. > You can emulate the required bits of a neuron in software. The holy > grail is very tiny dedicated components the size of on-chip > transistors but ultimately do much more. > About 10 years ago the "memristor" was seen as a step in that > direction but frankly I haven't seen them used in much of anything > practical. Memristor-LIKE characteristics will be desired in any > all-in-one solution. I haven't followed the neuromorphic approaches. It gets a bit out of hand for fiddling around at home. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SpiNNaker I've been reading Trappenberg's book https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B09TB9YH9M/ which also gets a bit deep. He digs into the Hodgkin–Huxley model. There is a lot going on when you start looking at the selective ion permeability of the cell wall creating a potential, neurotransmitters like GABA and dopamine, and the spike timing it's not easy to model. https://www.amazon.com/dp/0262181231 is the text we used in the '80s before the onset of another AI winter. Rumelhart's backpropagation solved some of the earlier problems starting with the perceptron. Improvements have been made with the activation functions, simulated annealing to solve the local minimum problem and so forth but the concepts in a 2025 NN tutorial are familiar. The nice part of PyTorch, TensorFlow, and other libraries is you can patch together high level functions without getting into the nuts and bolts of calculating gradient descent and all that grunt work.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-12-31 14:50 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: naughty Python |
| Message-ID | <V8acnQlCzKII48j0nZ2dnZfqnPadnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #80183 |
On 12/31/25 14:03, rbowman wrote: > On Wed, 31 Dec 2025 09:12:30 -0500, c186282 wrote: > >> As for practical NNs ... the physical layer can be several things. >> You can emulate the required bits of a neuron in software. The holy >> grail is very tiny dedicated components the size of on-chip >> transistors but ultimately do much more. >> About 10 years ago the "memristor" was seen as a step in that >> direction but frankly I haven't seen them used in much of anything >> practical. Memristor-LIKE characteristics will be desired in any >> all-in-one solution. > > I haven't followed the neuromorphic approaches. It gets a bit out of hand > for fiddling around at home. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SpiNNaker The very early stuff actually tried to directly emulate organic neurons and how (they imagined) they worked. Fortunately those functional models can be reduced to much simpler 'representations' of the physical. "Spiking" IS the way to go however, vastly more energy efficient. > I've been reading Trappenberg's book > > https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B09TB9YH9M/ Looks like it may be good ... and it's cheap too. > which also gets a bit deep. He digs into the Hodgkin–Huxley model. There > is a lot going on when you start looking at the selective ion permeability > of the cell wall creating a potential, neurotransmitters like GABA and > dopamine, and the spike timing it's not easy to model. > > https://www.amazon.com/dp/0262181231 As noted, nerves are weird - and how they actually work fits no simple models. Very much part of a total system of 'support' cells and neurotransmitters which all mod the operation. Evolution generally makes a goopey mess of things. One of the cooler finds was that nerves, esp peripherial nerves, don't just blip blip blip but ENCODE info for transmission ... lets one nerve handle a bunch of sensory inputs. > > is the text we used in the '80s before the onset of another AI winter. > Rumelhart's backpropagation solved some of the earlier problems starting > with the perceptron. Improvements have been made with the activation > functions, simulated annealing to solve the local minimum problem and so > forth but the concepts in a 2025 NN tutorial are familiar. > > The nice part of PyTorch, TensorFlow, and other libraries is you can patch > together high level functions without getting into the nuts and bolts of > calculating gradient descent and all that grunt work. They're making it easier. A little more easy and I may have the energy to get back into it. LLMs require a 20-acre building packed with boxes packed with NVidia chips (plus a gigawatt or two or ten) just to achieve whatever level of IQ/personhood they have. Not very efficient and only practical for some kinds of uses. NNs have much more potential IF, as said, they finally come up with the perfect hardware for the job.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-31 12:39 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: naughty Python |
| Message-ID | <10j35i3$2gptg$16@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #80151 |
On 31/12/2025 04:42, c186282 wrote: > According to Penrose, you need a quantum system - with > its random mistakes - to emulate a brain. Kind of doubt > that, but now we ARE seeing quantum computing so I > guess we'll see. Don't get me going about Penrose. Back in the day we used to plat the game 'think of a number' Then get the recipient to perform various mathematical operations on it, into which at a discrete point was slipped the instruction 'now take away the number you first thought of' followed by more spurious BS until you could tell them what the answer was you had arrived at ...'but how did you know what number I first thought of'. I didn't. the point was to cloak a simple trick in pages of tough mental arithmetic...so people concentrated on that, and missed the trick. Penrose is a great mathematician, but his metaphysics sucks. He has never been able to escape from the classical worldview, even though his research shows him that it is insufficient. "I cant explain consciousness in terms of classical reality, ergo it is quantum" A whole fucking book... I *can* explain classical reality in terms of consciousness. *And* the quantum field. But not when consciousness is an emergent property of said quantum field. You end up with recursion and paradox. The only schema that works is to place consciousness in an orthogonal dimension to both quantum reality AND the 'classical' reality. The picture on the screen is a function of the hardware and that data AND the software, that is running. Is the software a different thing to the hardware? Semantics. -- “Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.” H.L. Mencken, A Mencken Chrestomathy
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-12-31 09:21 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: naughty Python |
| Message-ID | <FdWdnVjzUbjprMj0nZ2dnZfqn_udnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #80168 |
On 12/31/25 07:39, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 31/12/2025 04:42, c186282 wrote: >> According to Penrose, you need a quantum system - with >> its random mistakes - to emulate a brain. Kind of doubt >> that, but now we ARE seeing quantum computing so I >> guess we'll see. > > Don't get me going about Penrose. > > Back in the day we used to plat the game 'think of a number' > > Then get the recipient to perform various mathematical operations on it, > into which at a discrete point was slipped the instruction 'now take > away the number you first thought of' followed by more spurious BS until > you could tell them what the answer was you had arrived at ...'but how > did you know what number I first thought of'. I didn't. the point was to > cloak a simple trick in pages of tough mental arithmetic...so people > concentrated on that, and missed the trick. > > Penrose is a great mathematician, but his metaphysics sucks. He has > never been able to escape from the classical worldview, even though his > research shows him that it is insufficient. > > "I cant explain consciousness in terms of classical reality, ergo it is > quantum" > > A whole fucking book... > > > I *can* explain classical reality in terms of consciousness. *And* the > quantum field. But not when consciousness is an emergent property of > said quantum field. You end up with recursion and paradox. > > The only schema that works is to place consciousness in an orthogonal > dimension to both quantum reality AND the 'classical' reality. > > The picture on the screen is a function of the hardware and that data > AND the software, that is running. > > Is the software a different thing to the hardware? > > Semantics. Hmm ... complicated industrial-control panels, maybe brains too, the software is the hardware. I'm not qualified to fine-critique Penrose. However when he insisted brains MUST be quantum ... some little red light went off in my head.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-31 15:08 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: naughty Python |
| Message-ID | <10j3e8l$2l5sp$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #80172 |
On 31/12/2025 14:21, c186282 wrote: > I'm not qualified to fine-critique Penrose. However > when he insisted brains MUST be quantum ... some > little red light went off in my head. Yes. To anyone who has studied Kant, it is clear that it is the mind that invented 'quantum theory'...so to make it an emergent property of its own creation, is the wrong sort of feedback -- The higher up the mountainside The greener grows the grass. The higher up the monkey climbs The more he shows his arse. Traditional
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| From | Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> |
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| Date | 2025-12-31 15:38 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: naughty Python |
| Message-ID | <slrn10lagrb.2v3in.lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> |
| In reply to | #80173 |
On 2025-12-31, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: > On 31/12/2025 14:21, c186282 wrote: >> I'm not qualified to fine-critique Penrose. However >> when he insisted brains MUST be quantum ... some >> little red light went off in my head. > > Yes. To anyone who has studied Kant, it is clear that it is the mind > that invented 'quantum theory'...so to make it an emergent property of > its own creation, is the wrong sort of feedback [it is probably too late to move this to alt.geeks.unix] The mind may have "invented" quantum theory", but if it is real and correctly describes processes in the physical universe, it does not feel to me that we (humans, and more specifically the human minds) "created" the universe that is described by those concepts. But my head hurts thinking about these things. -- Lars Poulsen - an old geek in Santa Barbara, California
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-31 20:41 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: naughty Python |
| Message-ID | <10j41qe$2s72e$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #80175 |
On Wed, 31 Dec 2025 15:38:19 -0000 (UTC), Lars Poulsen wrote: >> To anyone who has studied Kant, it is clear that it is the mind >> that invented 'quantum theory'... > > The mind may have "invented" quantum theory" ... I wonder what kind of mind invented Kant?
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-01-01 00:55 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: naughty Python |
| Message-ID | <mrlv0iFabpiU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #80194 |
On Wed, 31 Dec 2025 20:41:51 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > On Wed, 31 Dec 2025 15:38:19 -0000 (UTC), Lars Poulsen wrote: > >>> To anyone who has studied Kant, it is clear that it is the mind that >>> invented 'quantum theory'... >> >> The mind may have "invented" quantum theory" ... > > I wonder what kind of mind invented Kant? Hume. Disclaimer: I didn't get far enough into Kant to qualify as study. Maybe it was a bad translation or my mind works differently.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-12-31 22:11 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: naughty Python |
| Message-ID | <TvWcnYa31Nd1eMj0nZ2dnZfqn_SdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #80206 |
On 12/31/25 19:55, rbowman wrote: > On Wed, 31 Dec 2025 20:41:51 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > >> On Wed, 31 Dec 2025 15:38:19 -0000 (UTC), Lars Poulsen wrote: >> >>>> To anyone who has studied Kant, it is clear that it is the mind that >>>> invented 'quantum theory'... >>> >>> The mind may have "invented" quantum theory" ... >> >> I wonder what kind of mind invented Kant? > > Hume. Disclaimer: I didn't get far enough into Kant to qualify as study. > Maybe it was a bad translation or my mind works differently. "Immanuel Kant was a real piss-ant who was very rarely stable ....." :-) I spoke of re-arranging the arcade of fun-house mirrors over and over and claiming to see some Great Truth through the current configuration. Kant is just one of those re-arrangers, tortures semantics and perspectives like so many others.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-01-01 13:09 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: naughty Python |
| Message-ID | <10j5rlm$3etcd$7@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #80215 |
On 01/01/2026 03:11, c186282 wrote: > I spoke of re-arranging the arcade of fun-house > mirrors over and over and claiming to see some > Great Truth through the current configuration. > Kant is just one of those re-arrangers, tortures > semantics and perspectives like so many others. The point us that metaphysics does not and never can reveal the Great Truth, in the terms in which the classical Realist wants it revealed, any more than can science. That was Hume's crucial point. The logic of induction or inference is unprovable. Kant thought around it and came up with a possible metaphysic that coped with that defect. (Which by definition, also could not be proved to be true). But, it works *better*. Metaphysics is the study of making (necessary) assumptions about the nature of the world and humanity, and seeing where those assumptions lead. In a sense Kant's Critique of Pure Reason was the prescience of the Problem Of Consciousness, and his remedy was Transcendental Idealism, a possible construction that made the equations balance, so to speak. Now, centuries later, we probably need to look at it again. At that time the major metaphysical shift was to remove God from direct intervention in the world and create the metaphysics of Causality, and Natural Law. That allowed the pursuit of science, so well that it convinced many people that *the assumptions must be true*. The world really *was* 'separate things' connected by 'natural laws' and 'Cause and Effect'. And our pursuit of these 'separate things' and the 'natural laws' governing them led to the absurdity of QM etc. The world apparently is just a big single quantum field, which only appears to resemble classical reality when we attempt to observe it. And so precisely what Kant said we did. Split it up into things and events all dancing in a space time theatre interceded by transforms of the inherent connectivity, that appear as 'causality' The problem is, what are we, doing all this interpretation and observation? -- I would rather have questions that cannot be answered... ...than to have answers that cannot be questioned Richard Feynman
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| From | vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> |
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| Date | 2026-01-02 01:54 +0000 |
| Subject | The Egg (was: Re: naughty Python) |
| Message-ID | <10j78h2$1gk$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #80228 |
At Thu, 1 Jan 2026 13:09:10 +0000, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: > On 01/01/2026 03:11, c186282 wrote: > > I spoke of re-arranging the arcade of fun-house > > mirrors over and over and claiming to see some > > Great Truth through the current configuration. > > Kant is just one of those re-arrangers, tortures > > semantics and perspectives like so many others. > > The point us that metaphysics does not and never can reveal the Great > Truth, in the terms in which the classical Realist wants it revealed, > any more than can science. > > That was Hume's crucial point. The logic of induction or inference is > unprovable. > > Kant thought around it and came up with a possible metaphysic that coped > with that defect. (Which by definition, also could not be proved to be > true). > > But, it works *better*. > > Metaphysics is the study of making (necessary) assumptions about the > nature of the world and humanity, and seeing where those assumptions lead. > > In a sense Kant's Critique of Pure Reason was the prescience of the > Problem Of Consciousness, and his remedy was Transcendental Idealism, a > possible construction that made the equations balance, so to speak. > > Now, centuries later, we probably need to look at it again. > > At that time the major metaphysical shift was to remove God from direct > intervention in the world and create the metaphysics of Causality, and > Natural Law. > > That allowed the pursuit of science, so well that it convinced many > people that *the assumptions must be true*. The world really *was* > 'separate things' connected by 'natural laws' and 'Cause and Effect'. > > And our pursuit of these 'separate things' and the 'natural laws' > governing them led to the absurdity of QM etc. > > The world apparently is just a big single quantum field, which only > appears to resemble classical reality when we attempt to observe it. And > so precisely what Kant said we did. Split it up into things and events > all dancing in a space time theatre interceded by transforms of the > inherent connectivity, that appear as 'causality' > > The problem is, what are we, doing all this interpretation and observation? One idea... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6fcK_fRYaI&t=3s (Kurzgesagt, "The Egg - A Short Story". 8:06 long.) Summary: "Multi-incarnate solipsism". ;) fu2: alt.philosophy -- -v System76 Thelio Mega v1.1 x86_64 Mem: 258G OS: Linux 6.18.2 D: Mint 22.2 DE: Xfce 4.18 (X11) NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090Ti (24G) (580.105.08) "Always glad to share my ignorance - I've got plenty."
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-01-02 02:18 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: naughty Python |
| Message-ID | <7WF5R.776535$79B9.610540@fx14.iad> |
| In reply to | #80215 |
On 2026-01-01, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: > On 12/31/25 19:55, rbowman wrote: > >> On Wed, 31 Dec 2025 20:41:51 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >> >>> On Wed, 31 Dec 2025 15:38:19 -0000 (UTC), Lars Poulsen wrote: >>> >>>>> To anyone who has studied Kant, it is clear that it is the mind that >>>>> invented 'quantum theory'... >>>> >>>> The mind may have "invented" quantum theory" ... >>> >>> I wonder what kind of mind invented Kant? >> >> Hume. Disclaimer: I didn't get far enough into Kant to qualify as study. >> Maybe it was a bad translation or my mind works differently. > > "Immanuel Kant was a real piss-ant who > was very rarely stable ....." :-) > > I spoke of re-arranging the arcade of fun-house > mirrors over and over and claiming to see some > Great Truth through the current configuration. > Kant is just one of those re-arrangers, tortures > semantics and perspectives like so many others. Similarly, politicians dream of re-arranging laws (and adding more, of course, never repealing) in pursuit of the dream that the right combination of legislation will result in Paradise. -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | Growth for the sake of \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | growth is the ideology X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | of the cancer cell. / \ if you read it the right way. | -- Edward Abbey
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-01-02 11:10 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: naughty Python |
| Message-ID | <10j892e$at2l$5@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #80259 |
On 02/01/2026 02:18, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> Similarly, politicians dream of re-arranging laws (and adding more,
> of course, never repealing) in pursuit of the dream that the right
> combination of legislation will result in Paradise.
You really think that they do?
In reality they would prefer to take the salary and the perks and do
fuck all. The best ones.
The worst ones are those with Big Beautiful Ideas.
Most problems that haven't been solved already are not amenable to
political interference anyway: the best thing is to give people the
freedom to sort them, themselves.
--
"First, find out who are the people you can not criticise. They are your
oppressors."
- George Orwell
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