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| Started by | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| First post | 2025-12-23 22:51 +0000 |
| Last post | 2025-12-29 13:29 +0000 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 195 — 22 participants |
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Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-23 22:51 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice kouya <kouyaheika@canithesis.org> - 2025-12-24 06:27 -0600
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-24 13:24 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-24 19:08 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-25 02:21 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-24 21:35 -0500
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-12-26 09:06 -0800
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-26 18:38 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-12-26 11:53 -0800
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-26 23:15 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-26 22:49 -0500
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-27 12:52 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Jim Jackson <jj@franjam.org.uk> - 2026-01-06 23:09 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-06 15:25 -0800
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-26 20:49 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-27 03:56 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-26 20:37 -0800
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-27 05:59 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-27 08:51 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-27 09:13 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-27 23:01 +0000
X11 forks (was: Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-28 10:43 +0000
Re: X11 forks (was: Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-29 03:35 +0000
Re: X11 forks Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> - 2025-12-29 18:14 +1000
Re: X11 forks c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-29 03:28 -0500
Re: X11 forks not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-12-30 07:30 +1000
Re: X11 forks "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-30 09:33 +0100
Re: X11 forks Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-30 08:47 +0000
Re: X11 forks "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-30 14:46 +0100
Wayland hardware requirements (was: Re: X11 forks) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-31 09:25 +0000
Re: Wayland hardware requirements The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-31 12:12 +0000
Re: Wayland hardware requirements not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-01-01 07:31 +1000
Re: X11 forks rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-31 03:19 +0000
Re: X11 forks "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-31 11:50 +0100
Re: X11 forks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-31 12:09 +0000
Re: X11 forks "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-31 18:48 +0100
Re: X11 forks Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-31 20:59 +0000
Re: X11 forks "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-01 02:51 +0100
Re: X11 forks Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-01 02:33 +0000
Re: X11 forks rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-01 06:01 +0000
Re: X11 forks rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-01 03:10 +0000
Re: X11 forks Harold Stevens <wookie@aspen.localdomain> - 2026-01-01 04:04 -0600
Re: X11 forks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-01 13:10 +0000
Re: X11 forks "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-01 14:28 +0100
Re: X11 forks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-01 14:00 +0000
Re: X11 forks Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-01 19:12 +0000
Re: X11 forks vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2026-01-02 04:15 +0000
Re: X11 forks rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-31 19:54 +0000
Re: X11 forks John-Paul Stewart <jpstewart@personalprojects.net> - 2025-12-31 14:28 -0500
Re: X11 forks "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-31 20:43 +0100
Re: X11 forks rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-31 20:00 +0000
Re: X11 forks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-31 22:58 +0000
Re: X11 forks rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-01 02:56 +0000
Re: X11 forks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-31 22:45 +0000
Re: X11 forks rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-30 02:20 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-27 09:48 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-27 06:22 -0500
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-27 12:55 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-27 11:50 -0500
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-27 18:20 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-27 22:33 -0500
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-29 03:40 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-29 00:50 -0500
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-29 13:31 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-27 22:55 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-27 23:35 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-12-27 13:29 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-27 11:53 -0500
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-27 21:32 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-27 12:54 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-27 22:52 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-28 14:11 +0100
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-28 13:35 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-27 01:05 -0500
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-27 08:59 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-27 04:42 -0500
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-27 22:11 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-28 14:05 +0100
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-28 13:34 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-29 03:21 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-29 12:58 +0100
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-26 22:56 -0500
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-27 12:57 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-27 22:31 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-28 14:33 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-28 12:40 -0500
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-28 20:12 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-28 21:00 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-28 22:17 +0100
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-28 22:56 +0000
Service startup errors Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-29 00:16 +0000
Re: Service startup errors Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-29 02:08 +0000
Re: Service startup errors "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-29 03:15 +0100
Re: Service startup errors Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-29 03:39 +0000
Re: Service startup errors "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-29 12:59 +0100
Re: Service startup errors c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-28 21:47 -0500
Re: Service startup errors Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-30 18:53 +0000
Re: Service startup errors rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-31 03:12 +0000
Re: Service startup errors vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2025-12-31 04:40 +0000
Re: Service startup errors rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-31 08:24 +0000
Re: Service startup errors Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-31 18:55 +0000
Re: Service startup errors Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-01-01 04:29 +0000
Re: Service startup errors Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-01 04:38 +0000
Re: Service startup errors Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-01-01 04:58 +0000
Re: Service startup errors The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-01 13:13 +0000
Re: Service startup errors Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-31 09:13 +0000
Re: Service startup errors Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-31 09:53 +0000
Re: Service startup errors Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-31 09:59 +0000
Re: Service startup errors Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-31 21:04 +0000
Re: Service startup errors rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-01 02:31 +0000
Re: Service startup errors rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-31 19:49 +0000
Re: Service startup errors Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-31 18:55 +0000
Re: Service startup errors rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-31 19:41 +0000
Re: Service startup errors Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-31 20:13 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-29 03:16 +0100
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-29 03:49 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-29 01:00 -0500
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-29 13:12 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-29 13:04 +0100
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-30 19:14 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-30 22:43 +0100
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-30 22:09 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-30 23:24 +0100
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-30 22:12 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-30 23:27 +0100
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-30 22:29 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-31 11:59 +0100
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-26 22:45 -0500
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-25 03:26 +0000
How distros can get choosen by chance (was: Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-25 10:51 +0000
Re: How distros can get choosen by chance jayjwa <jayjwa@atr2.ath.cx.invalid> - 2025-12-25 13:27 -0500
Re: How distros can get choosen by chance rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-25 18:40 +0000
Re: How distros can get choosen by chance Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-25 12:34 -0800
Re: How distros can get choosen by chance rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-25 22:11 +0000
Re: How distros can get choosen by chance Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-25 14:55 -0800
Re: How distros can get choosen by chance "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-28 14:28 +0100
Re: How distros can get choosen by chance rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-29 02:09 +0000
Re: How distros can get choosen by chance Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-25 21:05 +0000
Re: How distros can get choosen by chance rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-25 22:22 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice kouya <kouyaheika@canithesis.org> - 2025-12-24 21:37 -0600
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-25 11:46 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-25 11:59 -0500
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-26 07:04 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-26 02:27 -0500
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice kouya <kouyaheika@canithesis.org> - 2025-12-25 23:07 -0600
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-28 13:56 +0100
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-28 13:32 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-28 14:51 +0100
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-28 14:02 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-28 21:46 +0100
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-28 16:24 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-28 17:31 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-28 12:53 -0500
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-28 20:16 +0000
Linux GUIs Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-29 00:10 +0000
Re: Linux GUIs Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-29 02:09 +0000
Re: Linux GUIs c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-28 21:50 -0500
Re: Linux GUIs Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-29 10:16 +0000
Re: Linux GUIs c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-29 05:23 -0500
Re: Linux GUIs "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-29 13:09 +0100
Re: Linux GUIs Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-12-29 14:29 +0100
Re: Linux GUIs The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-29 17:25 +0000
Re: Linux GUIs c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-30 01:04 -0500
Re: Linux GUIs rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-31 02:53 +0000
Re: Linux GUIs not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-12-30 07:32 +1000
Re: Linux GUIs rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-30 01:07 +0000
Re: Linux GUIs John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-12-30 09:01 -0800
Re: Linux GUIs c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-30 12:58 -0500
Re: Linux GUIs rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-31 02:47 +0000
Re: Linux GUIs Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-12-30 13:02 +0100
Re: Linux GUIs Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-29 06:43 -0800
Re: Linux GUIs Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-29 22:09 +0000
Re: Linux GUIs c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-28 21:29 -0500
Re: Linux GUIs rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-29 02:57 +0000
Re: Linux GUIs c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-28 22:13 -0500
Re: Linux GUIs "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-29 13:11 +0100
Re: Linux GUIs The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-29 13:21 +0000
Re: Linux GUIs Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-29 15:56 +0000
Re: Linux GUIs Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-29 22:08 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-29 02:37 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-28 20:57 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-29 02:35 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-29 10:08 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-29 13:32 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-29 22:07 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-29 02:21 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-28 22:08 -0500
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-28 20:56 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-28 20:43 -0500
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-29 03:23 +0100
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-29 03:16 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-29 03:15 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-29 10:21 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-29 05:26 -0500
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-29 13:29 +0000
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-30 22:43 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <dltd2mxpme.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #80128 |
On 2025-12-30 20:14, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
> On Mon, 29 Dec 2025 03:49:05 -0000 (UTC), I wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 29 Dec 2025 03:16:27 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>
>>> Dec 14 22:02:17 Telcontar systemd[1]: smb.service: Failed with result 'exit-code'.
>>
>> OK, I tried introducing a config error into my own Samba setup, and
>> got similar results to you: I was expecting smb{,d}.service to log
>> errors parsing the configuration, but it does not.
>>
>> And I can’t see any obvious setting in smb.conf to tell it to do so.
>>
>> Just to be clear, this is a Samba shortcoming.
>
> I figured it out: Samba does log these errors, and you’ll find them in
> /var/log/samba/log.smbd.
Didn't remember about that file, but nope, no dice:
[2024/02/08 19:39:06.207301, 1] ../../source3/smbd/process.c:560(receive_smb_talloc)
receive_smb_raw_talloc failed for client ptr=0x55b4d13380e0,id=1,addr=ipv4:192.168.1.2:2009 read error = NT_STATUS_CONNECTION_RESET.
[2025/12/19 13:33:23.158495, 0] ../../source3/smbd/server.c:1748(main)
smbd version 4.19.9-git.435.78ced6cf30d150600.3.21.1SUSE-oS15.0-x86_64 started.
Copyright Andrew Tridgell and the Samba Team 1992-2023
You see, the file stopped logging 10 months ago, so no data. It started working again when ChatGPT helped me to refine and update the configuration file.
--
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-30 22:09 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10j1iii$24agv$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #80132 |
On Tue, 30 Dec 2025 22:43:41 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: > You see, the file stopped logging 10 months ago, so no data. It > started working again when ChatGPT helped me to refine and update > the configuration file. So it should start recording errors now.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-30 23:24 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <020e2mx4ps.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #80135 |
On 2025-12-30 23:09, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > On Tue, 30 Dec 2025 22:43:41 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: > >> You see, the file stopped logging 10 months ago, so no data. It >> started working again when ChatGPT helped me to refine and update >> the configuration file. > > So it should start recording errors now. Now it is a totally different config. The service runs. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-30 22:12 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10j1inp$24agv$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #80132 |
On Tue, 30 Dec 2025 22:43:41 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> You see, the file stopped logging 10 months ago, so no data. It
> started working again when ChatGPT helped me to refine and update
> the configuration file.
Here’s another logging tip, that I suspect ChatGPT doesn’t “know”
about: set your per-user logfile name format to something like
/var/log/samba/log.%I-%R
What this does is record the client IP address and the protocol
version they’re using, in the logfile name. I have found this
particularly handy for figuring out why some Windows clients could not
connect -- the usual reason was that they were requiring an older
protocol version, or an older password format.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-30 23:27 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <f80e2mx4ps.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #80136 |
On 2025-12-30 23:12, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Dec 2025 22:43:41 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>
>> You see, the file stopped logging 10 months ago, so no data. It
>> started working again when ChatGPT helped me to refine and update
>> the configuration file.
>
> Here’s another logging tip, that I suspect ChatGPT doesn’t “know”
> about: set your per-user logfile name format to something like
>
> /var/log/samba/log.%I-%R
>
> What this does is record the client IP address and the protocol
> version they’re using, in the logfile name. I have found this
> particularly handy for figuring out why some Windows clients could not
> connect -- the usual reason was that they were requiring an older
> protocol version, or an older password format.
Interesting.
How do you set it up?
What I have is simply
# Logging
log level = 1
in /etc/samba/smb.conf
--
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-30 22:29 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10j1jor$24agv$5@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #80138 |
On Tue, 30 Dec 2025 23:27:59 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2025-12-30 23:12, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
>>
>> Here’s another logging tip, that I suspect ChatGPT doesn’t “know”
>> about: set your per-user logfile name format to something like
>>
>> /var/log/samba/log.%I-%R
>
> How do you set it up?
In my smb.conf:
log file = /var/log/samba/log.%I-%R
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-31 11:59 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <i9cf2mx6la.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #80139 |
On 2025-12-30 23:29, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > On Tue, 30 Dec 2025 23:27:59 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: > >> On 2025-12-30 23:12, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >>> >>> Here’s another logging tip, that I suspect ChatGPT doesn’t “know” >>> about: set your per-user logfile name format to something like >>> >>> /var/log/samba/log.%I-%R >> >> How do you set it up? > > In my smb.conf: > > log file = /var/log/samba/log.%I-%R -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 341 Dec 31 11:53 log.0.0.0.0-UNKNOWN -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Dec 31 11:54 log.192.168.1.14-UNKNOWN Doesn't show the connection error I have connecting. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-12-26 22:45 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <gpWcna_0rp_fy9L0nZ2dnZfqnPednZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #79872 |
On 12/26/25 12:06, John Ames wrote: > On Wed, 24 Dec 2025 21:35:22 -0500 > c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: > >>> My choice to put Ubuntu on the mini was entirely rational. I had a >>> couple of other isos that weren't responding well and the Ubuntu >>> one worked. When I revamped a couple of older machines I put >>> different distros on them just for variety. I'm not a fan of Ubuntu >>> GNOME but I can live with it. >> >> Uhhgh ! I can't. >> >> LXDE remains my fave - JUST enough GUI, little CPU wasted on eye >> candy or other bullshit. Can't always get LXDE for every distro >> however, so XFCE comes in second ... but I add lxterminal and pcmanfm >> if at all possible. >> >> KDE ? No. Never. > > AFAIK aren't all these DE-flavored "spin" sub-distros connecting to the > same repository? Is it not possible to just swap out the default DE for > your environment of choice? I never did see the point of doing it that > way, but even if you're stuck with this or that "flavor" for $REASONS > it should be easy enough to switch off of the part you hate, unless I'm > greatly mistaken. Fairly recent experience ... looking in to a new Fedora I found the LXDE spin to download. It was a total disaster. Thing is, once you go 'new' enough the desktops need to be 'adjusted' ... and in this case the LXDE was offered well before it'd been properly 'adjusted'. The XFCE spin worked OK though. Not terribly fond of Fedora, but figured I'd check out the new version anyhow. LXDE figures roughly between a Win2K and XP experience - not too much bullshit, things work as they need to but without lots of baggage. Minimal 'integration' of the apps suite. Love it. 'pcmanfm' beats 'thunar' too. Anyway, you can add LXDE to whatever you're using and select it at login if/when you choose.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-25 03:26 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10iiats$1j3l0$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #79815 |
On 25/12/2025 02:21, rbowman wrote: > On Wed, 24 Dec 2025 13:24:43 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >> I could probably get along famously with any modern distro. I simply >> keep using Mint 'because it was the one I arrived at first, that was >> good enough that I looked no further' > > My choice to put Ubuntu on the mini was entirely rational. I had a couple > of other isos that weren't responding well and the Ubuntu one worked. When > I revamped a couple of older machines I put different distros on them just > for variety. I'm not a fan of Ubuntu GNOME but I can live with it. I cant imagine being a 'fan' of any Linux... Pick one that works for you and let others do the same. -- When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men in a society, over the course of time they create for themselves a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it. Frédéric Bastiat
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| From | Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-25 10:51 +0000 |
| Subject | How distros can get choosen by chance (was: Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice) |
| Message-ID | <10ij4vb$1pks0$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #79815 |
On 2025-12-25, rbowman wrote: > On Wed, 24 Dec 2025 13:24:43 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >> I could probably get along famously with any modern distro. I simply >> keep using Mint 'because it was the one I arrived at first, that was >> good enough that I looked no further' > > My choice to put Ubuntu on the mini was entirely rational. I had a couple > of other isos that weren't responding well and the Ubuntu one worked. When > I revamped a couple of older machines I put different distros on them just > for variety. I'm not a fan of Ubuntu GNOME but I can live with it. Funny thing, that's how my first distro got picked. Uknownst to me then, but knownst to me now, there was a step in the bootstrapping process of that machine which used an incorrect/incomplete and needless El Torito implementation (I should have just used the one in AMIBIOS directly...). This failed to boot a lot of install media (and also live media). IIRC I ended up going with the first that booted. -- Nuno Silva
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| From | jayjwa <jayjwa@atr2.ath.cx.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-25 13:27 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: How distros can get choosen by chance |
| Message-ID | <87a4z6wh6a.fsf@atr2.ath.cx> |
| In reply to | #79831 |
Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> writes:
> Funny thing, that's how my first distro got picked. Uknownst to me then,
> but knownst to me now, there was a step in the bootstrapping process of
> that machine which used an incorrect/incomplete and needless El Torito
> implementation (I should have just used the one in AMIBIOS
> directly...). This failed to boot a lot of install media (and also live
> media). IIRC I ended up going with the first that booted.
That's what happened to me. I had Slackware, maybe Debian, and maybe
Mandrake (?) - it's been a long time - but Slackware booted and others
didn't. I can't say it was because of the same issue but the effect was
the same.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-12-25 18:40 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: How distros can get choosen by chance |
| Message-ID | <mr5epiFg9plU3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #79838 |
On Thu, 25 Dec 2025 13:27:25 -0500, jayjwa wrote: > Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> writes: > >> Funny thing, that's how my first distro got picked. Uknownst to me >> then, >> but knownst to me now, there was a step in the bootstrapping process of >> that machine which used an incorrect/incomplete and needless El Torito >> implementation (I should have just used the one in AMIBIOS >> directly...). This failed to boot a lot of install media (and also live >> media). IIRC I ended up going with the first that booted. > That's what happened to me. I had Slackware, maybe Debian, and maybe > Mandrake (?) - it's been a long time - but Slackware booted and others > didn't. I can't say it was because of the same issue but the effect was > the same. My first Linux install was Slackware from a couple of boxes of floppies. Later I had Red Hat Linux at work when they pulled off their gcc fiasco in 2000. Another rational choice -- I walked over to Best Buy, or maybe Future Shoppe at that point, and they had SUSE in a box. Sold. I still have the boxed set. I don't know if you can even find something like that anymore.
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| From | Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> |
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| Date | 2025-12-25 12:34 -0800 |
| Subject | Re: How distros can get choosen by chance |
| Message-ID | <10ik74m$25pis$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #79839 |
On 12/25/25 10:40, rbowman wrote: > On Thu, 25 Dec 2025 13:27:25 -0500, jayjwa wrote: > >> Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> writes: >> >>> Funny thing, that's how my first distro got picked. Uknownst to me >>> then, >>> but knownst to me now, there was a step in the bootstrapping process of >>> that machine which used an incorrect/incomplete and needless El Torito >>> implementation (I should have just used the one in AMIBIOS >>> directly...). This failed to boot a lot of install media (and also live >>> media). IIRC I ended up going with the first that booted. >> That's what happened to me. I had Slackware, maybe Debian, and maybe >> Mandrake (?) - it's been a long time - but Slackware booted and others >> didn't. I can't say it was because of the same issue but the effect was >> the same. > > My first Linux install was Slackware from a couple of boxes of floppies. > Later I had Red Hat Linux at work when they pulled off their gcc fiasco in > 2000. Another rational choice -- I walked over to Best Buy, or maybe > Future Shoppe at that point, and they had SUSE in a box. Sold. I still > have the boxed set. I don't know if you can even find something like that > anymore. I did not start using Linux as early as you guys. A friend of mine now passed on, helped me choose Mandriva. Then he could not figure out how to get a copy to me. A pal in Norway shipped me a DVD with Mandriva 2006 as 6 CD iso file. I has after using Amiga computers from Commodore gotten my hands on a 2400 MHz Pentium laptop with XP and used the tools on the XP to write those 6 iso files to CDs then booted them up on the same Windows machines and installed Mandriva. I was delighted with it. I used Mandriva paying for the Power packed edition with proprietary tools until they produced a version in 2011 that would not run on my machines and then I moved on to PCLinuxOS in 2014. PCLinuxOS has an excellent forum with coders and with the packager ready to fix anything when it goes amiss. I haven't had many problems with the KDE's Plasma 6. bliss- Dell Precision 7730- PCLOS 2026- Linux 6.12.63-pclos1- KDE Plasma 6.5.4
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-12-25 22:11 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: How distros can get choosen by chance |
| Message-ID | <mr5r4oFi7b0U2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #79840 |
On Thu, 25 Dec 2025 12:34:27 -0800, Bobbie Sellers wrote: > I did not start using Linux as early as you guys. > A friend of mine now passed on, helped me choose Mandriva. Then he could > not figure out how to get a copy to me. A pal in Norway shipped me a DVD > with Mandriva 2006 as 6 CD iso file. I had Mandrake on one box. In its day is was one of the easier Linuxes to install. I don't remember much about it other than installing it on an old machine that cost $20. I think that was the one where the BIOS limited the HDD to 528 MB. By then drives that small were very hard to find and more expensive that larger ones. I hit a couple of computer stores and asked what they did with the old %28 MB drive. 'Oh, we throw those in the dumpster.' Mandrake wound up in a trademark suit and became Mandriva. I think their artwork included a penguin with a magic wand. The Mandrake the Magician people didn't appreciate the cultural reference.
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| From | Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> |
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| Date | 2025-12-25 14:55 -0800 |
| Subject | Re: How distros can get choosen by chance |
| Message-ID | <10ikfc9$285ac$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #79845 |
On 12/25/25 14:11, rbowman wrote: > On Thu, 25 Dec 2025 12:34:27 -0800, Bobbie Sellers wrote: > >> I did not start using Linux as early as you guys. >> A friend of mine now passed on, helped me choose Mandriva. Then he could >> not figure out how to get a copy to me. A pal in Norway shipped me a DVD >> with Mandriva 2006 as 6 CD iso file. > > I had Mandrake on one box. In its day is was one of the easier Linuxes to > install. I don't remember much about it other than installing it on an old > machine that cost $20. I think that was the one where the BIOS limited the > HDD to 528 MB. By then drives that small were very hard to find and more > expensive that larger ones. I hit a couple of computer stores and asked > what they did with the old %28 MB drive. 'Oh, we throw those in the > dumpster.' > > Mandrake wound up in a trademark suit and became Mandriva. I think their > artwork included a penguin with a magic wand. The Mandrake the Magician > people didn't appreciate the cultural reference. The easy part of Mandrake involved one Gael Duval. When Mandrake allied with Connectiva to become Mandriva, Duval was fired. When Mandriva went down the tubes due to a bad business model and lack of Duval level inspiration some folks laughed. Mandriva split at several points and PCLinuxOS is one of the earliest. Then the Russians copied it badly in my opinion. When Mandriva went out of business we got Mageia which moved systemd into the equation. You can find the history Wikipedia if you care to do so. I learned most of this stuff in the last 11 years. PCLinuxOS rejected systemd and some other things for a time but it eventually learned to live with UEFI. The Russian version is still around. Alt Linux is the name I believe but since i am no longer a LUG librarian I have not tried it out since long before the Covid-19 restrictions went into place. bliss- Dell Precision 7730- PCLOS 2026- Linux 6.12.63-pclos1- KDE Plasma 6.5.4
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-28 14:28 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: How distros can get choosen by chance |
| Message-ID | <itn72mxsmu.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #79839 |
On 2025-12-25 19:40, rbowman wrote: > On Thu, 25 Dec 2025 13:27:25 -0500, jayjwa wrote: > >> Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> writes: >> >>> Funny thing, that's how my first distro got picked. Uknownst to me >>> then, >>> but knownst to me now, there was a step in the bootstrapping process of >>> that machine which used an incorrect/incomplete and needless El Torito >>> implementation (I should have just used the one in AMIBIOS >>> directly...). This failed to boot a lot of install media (and also live >>> media). IIRC I ended up going with the first that booted. >> That's what happened to me. I had Slackware, maybe Debian, and maybe >> Mandrake (?) - it's been a long time - but Slackware booted and others >> didn't. I can't say it was because of the same issue but the effect was >> the same. > > My first Linux install was Slackware from a couple of boxes of floppies. > Later I had Red Hat Linux at work when they pulled off their gcc fiasco in > 2000. Another rational choice -- I walked over to Best Buy, or maybe > Future Shoppe at that point, and they had SUSE in a box. Sold. I still > have the boxed set. I don't know if you can even find something like that > anymore. On 1998 I decided I wanted to install Linux. We had a Linux machine at work doing important things, and my new job involved Unix. I wanted to learn more. I tried Redhat, I think. It did install, but I reached a prompt and had no idea what to do then. It was summer. I found a magazine that had a big article comparing several distros. It said that that SuSE was the easiest on newbies. And soon that summer that or another magazine included two CDs for SuSE 5.3. I installed that one. It had a local database of how to solve problems: SuSEhelp. There was easy documentation. There was YaST, that would easily configure things. Soon I bought the box for a 6.1 version. A thick paper book. Making graphics work took months, though. Not fully compatible hardware. Reading manuals, trying things... Learning, double booting... -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-12-29 02:09 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: How distros can get choosen by chance |
| Message-ID | <mre66lFtqk8U5@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #79955 |
On Sun, 28 Dec 2025 14:28:50 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: > It had a local database of how to solve problems: SuSEhelp. There was > easy documentation. There was YaST, that would easily configure things. > Soon I bought the box for a 6.1 version. A thick paper book. I still have the box out in the shed. I'll have to see which version it is but it was fairly early. It was a valuable feature at a time when you couldn't download a 3 GB iso and wouldn't have the storage for it is you could to say nothing of the book. It reminded me of the days when you bought Microsoft C and got several inches worth of documentation.
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-25 21:05 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: How distros can get choosen by chance |
| Message-ID | <9Gh3R.1243$bU7b.769@fx39.iad> |
| In reply to | #79838 |
On 2025-12-25, jayjwa <jayjwa@atr2.ath.cx.invalid> wrote: > Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> writes: > >> Funny thing, that's how my first distro got picked. Uknownst to me then, >> but knownst to me now, there was a step in the bootstrapping process of >> that machine which used an incorrect/incomplete and needless El Torito >> implementation (I should have just used the one in AMIBIOS >> directly...). This failed to boot a lot of install media (and also live >> media). IIRC I ended up going with the first that booted. > > That's what happened to me. I had Slackware, maybe Debian, and maybe > Mandrake (?) - it's been a long time - but Slackware booted and others > didn't. I can't say it was because of the same issue but the effect was > the same. When I first decided to try Linux, I went down to my local bookstore and looked at the various books they had, many of which had an installation CD included. The book I liked best (by Patrick Volkerding) had a Slackware 3.5 installation disk, so that's where I started; it ran nicely on a laptop with 48MB of memory and a 1.3GB hard drive. I finally switched distros because Slack lacked a good package manager. First I tried Ubuntu, which was very easy to set up, but release 10 went to the Unity desktop, which I hated. I experimented with a number of releases, includindg Mint and CrunchBang, then finally settled on Debian, where I remain to this day. As for desktop environments, KDE was beautiful but much too heavyweight, and the fact that it kept spitting out messages in a terminal window made me suspicious of all the stuff it was running in the background. I used Blackbox for a while, althouth it was a bit too minimalist - I'm now happy with Xfce, on which I keep several terminal windows open. -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | Growth for the sake of \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | growth is the ideology X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | of the cancer cell. / \ if you read it the right way. | -- Edward Abbey
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-12-25 22:22 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: How distros can get choosen by chance |
| Message-ID | <mr5rofFi7b0U3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #79841 |
On Thu, 25 Dec 2025 21:05:09 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > I finally switched distros because Slack lacked a good package manager. > First I tried Ubuntu, which was very easy to set up, but release 10 went > to the Unity desktop, which I hated. A couple of the programmers at work used Ubuntu. The upgrade to the Unity release was a definite WTF? One switched to CentOS until RH screwed that up. Not only do distros get chosen by chance but some distros manage to alienate their users and cause a switch. The original Red Hat Linux pissed me off in 2000 with their antics and it took me 25 years to give Fedora a shot. OpenSUSE didn't exactly alienate me but going from 13.2 to Leap was problematic for many people so I rode 13.2 into the ground. I do have OpenSUSE on the Ventoy stick just in case but the Endeavour/Arch install has been doing well.
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| From | kouya <kouyaheika@canithesis.org> |
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| Date | 2025-12-24 21:37 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <10iibi8$1jd82$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #79795 |
The Natural Philosopher wrote: > It's all part of Marxist dialectic technique You are overthinking it. It's just a simple expression of hatred against Ubuntu. Nothing more.
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