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| Started by | Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> |
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| First post | 2025-11-27 13:51 +0000 |
| Last post | 2025-11-28 21:37 +0000 |
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Re: The "Standards" Game Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-11-27 13:51 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-27 14:40 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-27 21:28 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-28 00:09 -0500
Re: The "Standards" Game Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-11-28 15:00 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-28 15:09 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-28 01:39 -0500
Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-28 13:02 +0100
Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-28 20:47 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-28 21:35 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-11-29 08:14 +1000
Re: The "Standards" Game Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-29 02:00 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-28 23:41 -0500
Re: The "Standards" Game not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-11-29 16:55 +1000
Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-29 20:11 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-11-29 21:39 +1100
Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-29 20:00 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-30 10:22 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-30 19:53 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-30 20:13 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-01 20:22 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-01 21:46 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-02 05:35 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-02 14:35 +0100
Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-02 19:21 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-02 00:49 -0500
Re: The "Standards" Game Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-03 16:18 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-03 19:48 +0100
Re: The "Standards" Game Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-03 19:51 +0000
Robocalls "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-03 22:40 +0100
Re: Robocalls c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-03 21:34 -0500
Re: Robocalls Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-04 05:43 +0000
Re: Robocalls The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-04 12:21 +0000
Re: Robocalls Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-04 19:40 +0000
Re: Robocalls "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-04 21:37 +0100
Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-03 23:09 -0500
Re: The "Standards" Game Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-05 19:39 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-05 20:54 +0100
Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-06 11:56 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-06 13:30 +0100
Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-06 12:48 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-06 15:11 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-07 19:51 +0100
Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-07 20:31 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-06 15:07 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-07 00:35 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-07 18:50 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-07 19:47 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-07 23:27 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-07 23:08 -0500
Re: The "Standards" Game Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-08 04:46 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-08 00:13 -0500
Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 08:41 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-08 04:55 -0500
Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-09 01:50 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-09 00:55 -0500
Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-09 06:38 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-08 09:01 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-08 04:58 -0500
Re: The "Standards" Game Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-08 21:16 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-08 14:37 +0100
Re: The "Standards" Game Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-08 17:41 +0000
Old people. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-09 15:07 +0100
Re: Old people. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-09 14:29 +0000
Re: Old people. c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-09 22:02 -0500
Re: Old people. bonkmaykr <bonkyboo@canithesis.org> - 2025-12-13 01:10 -0600
Re: Old people. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-13 20:36 +0100
Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-07 19:53 +0100
Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-03 17:17 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-03 19:55 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-02 00:17 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-02 05:40 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-02 10:50 +0000
emergency number routing "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-02 14:41 +0100
Re: emergency number routing Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-02 14:48 -0500
Re: emergency number routing "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-02 21:13 +0100
Re: emergency number routing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-03 04:37 +0000
Re: emergency number routing Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-04 05:43 +0000
Re: emergency number routing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-04 06:57 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-02 20:29 -0500
Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-03 13:10 +0100
Re: The "Standards" Game Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-03 20:07 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-03 22:57 -0500
Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-04 07:04 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-05 21:50 +1100
Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-05 12:06 +0100
Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-05 23:10 +1100
Emergency Numbers (Re: The "Standards" Game) Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-05 14:48 +0000
Re: Emergency Numbers (Re: The "Standards" Game) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-05 15:30 +0000
Re: Emergency Numbers (Re: The "Standards" Game) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-05 18:55 +0100
Re: Emergency Numbers (Re: The "Standards" Game) Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-06 22:36 +1100
Re: Emergency Numbers (Re: The "Standards" Game) Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-06 13:37 +0000
Re: Emergency Numbers (Re: The "Standards" Game) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-06 14:46 +0100
Re: Emergency Numbers (Re: The "Standards" Game) Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-06 22:30 +1100
Re: Emergency Numbers (Re: The "Standards" Game) Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2025-12-07 02:46 +0200
Re: Emergency Numbers (Re: The "Standards" Game) Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-07 23:48 +1100
Re: Emergency Numbers (Re: The "Standards" Game) Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-07 12:35 -0500
Re: Emergency Numbers (Re: The "Standards" Game) Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-07 18:52 +0000
Re: Emergency Numbers (Re: The "Standards" Game) Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-08 23:35 +1100
Re: Emergency Numbers (Re: The "Standards" Game) Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-08 21:19 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-05 17:15 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-06 11:32 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-07 01:37 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-29 02:42 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-28 23:45 -0500
Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-29 11:03 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-29 21:47 -0500
Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-30 04:12 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-29 23:36 -0500
Re: The "Standards" Game Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-11-30 16:49 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-30 20:28 +0100
Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-01 20:31 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-02 14:44 +0100
Re: The "Standards" Game Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-12-02 13:05 -0500
Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-02 19:35 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-02 21:16 +0100
Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-03 05:20 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-03 13:14 +0100
Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-03 17:27 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-02 21:07 +0100
Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-02 19:30 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-02 21:20 +0100
Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-03 05:11 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-03 13:25 +0100
Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-03 17:11 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-03 19:59 +0100
Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-04 02:58 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-04 05:43 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-04 07:22 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-30 10:31 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-30 16:54 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-30 18:59 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-30 19:50 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-30 21:55 -0500
Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-01 09:43 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-01 19:56 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-01 19:53 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-01 23:16 -0500
Re: The "Standards" Game Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-11-30 19:39 -0500
Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-01 20:08 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-30 21:51 -0500
Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-28 22:16 -0500
Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-29 11:18 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-29 20:25 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-29 22:59 -0500
Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-30 10:30 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-30 14:45 +0100
Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-30 21:46 -0500
Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-30 10:24 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-30 16:54 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-11-30 13:04 -0500
Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-30 18:13 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-30 19:20 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-30 19:53 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-01 00:10 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-11-30 20:57 -0500
Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-01 01:34 -0500
Re: The "Standards" Game Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-01 03:40 -0500
Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-01 04:50 -0500
Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-01 10:28 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-01 05:57 -0500
Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-01 11:31 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-01 22:47 -0500
Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-02 11:06 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-02 20:42 -0500
Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-05 22:40 +1100
Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-05 13:05 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-06 22:44 +1100
Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-06 23:27 -0500
Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-07 23:53 +1100
Re: The "Standards" Game Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-07 12:51 -0500
Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-07 18:08 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-07 14:37 -0500
Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 01:13 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-08 23:49 +1100
Re: The "Standards" Game Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-08 13:55 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-08 12:32 -0500
Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 22:23 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-09 03:30 -0500
Re: The "Standards" Game Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-09 04:12 -0500
Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-09 15:29 +0100
Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-09 21:01 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-09 14:23 -0800
Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-09 20:15 -0500
Re: The "Standards" Game Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-09 20:44 -0500
Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-10 02:24 -0500
Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-09 20:56 +0000
Sopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-09 15:10 +0100
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-09 07:56 -0800
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-10 03:38 +0100
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-09 22:26 -0500
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 10:59 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-10 15:03 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 16:48 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-10 17:32 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 18:39 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-11 04:12 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-11 00:29 -0500
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-11 09:28 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-11 22:42 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-12 11:37 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-11 22:29 -0500
Invade America? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-12 13:49 +0100
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-11 02:12 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-10 22:32 +1100
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-10 21:26 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-11 01:51 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 12:02 +0100
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2025-12-10 23:00 -0600
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-11 01:28 -0500
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-11 21:35 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-11 14:07 -0800
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-12 21:11 +1100
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-12-12 10:33 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-12 13:58 +0100
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-12 13:54 +0100
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-13 21:14 +1100
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-13 20:40 +0100
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-12 18:42 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-13 21:16 +1100
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-13 19:46 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-13 23:52 -0500
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-14 09:17 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-14 22:02 -0500
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-14 13:32 +0100
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-15 00:49 -0500
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-15 05:18 -0500
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-16 21:36 +0100
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-11 09:27 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-11 21:14 +1100
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-11 10:58 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-11 21:44 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-11 21:10 +1100
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-10 14:23 +0100
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 13:38 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-11 21:22 +1100
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-10 23:31 -0500
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 12:10 +0100
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-11 23:40 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-12 03:35 +0100
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-10 03:30 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-09 23:09 -0500
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 11:03 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-10 14:37 +0100
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-10 10:09 -0500
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-11 21:43 +1100
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 12:17 +0100
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-11 18:39 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-11 23:34 -0500
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-12 21:37 +1100
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-09 21:27 -0800
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-10 01:42 -0500
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 11:16 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-10 07:03 -0500
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 12:05 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 12:11 +0000
Dog poo "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-10 14:51 +0100
Re: Dog poo knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> - 2025-12-10 10:08 -0500
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-11 02:37 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-11 09:01 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 12:23 +0100
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-11 21:33 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-11 14:03 -0800
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 12:12 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-10 21:57 -0500
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-13 21:39 +1100
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-13 07:00 -0500
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-13 20:06 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-14 00:18 -0500
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-14 13:38 +0100
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-14 20:02 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-14 22:43 +0100
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-15 00:57 -0500
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-16 21:42 +0100
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-16 16:29 -0800
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-17 01:09 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-17 01:24 -0500
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-17 06:53 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-18 22:47 +0100
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-17 00:51 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-18 22:46 +0100
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-19 02:01 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2025-12-19 00:58 -0600
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-19 02:46 -0500
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-19 08:22 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2025-12-19 13:16 -0600
Underground fires "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-19 22:28 +0100
Re: Underground fires rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-20 04:48 +0000
Re: Underground fires "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-20 13:15 +0100
Re: Underground fires Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-20 12:14 -0500
Re: Underground fires "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-20 19:46 +0100
Re: Underground fires Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-20 16:42 -0500
Re: Underground fires "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-20 23:09 +0100
Re: Underground fires The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-21 02:11 +0000
Re: Underground fires rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-21 01:34 +0000
Burning things. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-26 22:42 +0100
Re: Underground fires c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-21 15:24 -0500
Re: Underground fires rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-21 23:10 +0000
Re: Underground fires Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-21 15:34 -0800
Re: Underground fires rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-22 06:47 +0000
Re: Underground fires c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-22 02:08 -0500
Re: Underground fires c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-22 01:53 -0500
Re: Underground fires Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-22 21:46 +1100
Re: Underground fires c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-22 07:35 -0500
Re: Underground fires Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-23 21:31 +1100
Re: Underground fires Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-23 06:40 -0500
Re: Underground fires The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-23 12:41 +0000
Re: Underground fires Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-23 21:18 +0000
Re: Underground fires Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-24 20:43 +1100
Re: Underground fires The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-24 13:12 +0000
Re: Underground fires Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-24 20:26 +1100
OT: Garbage disposal meets rocket science (was: Re: Underground fires) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-24 11:19 +0000
Re: Underground fires The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-24 13:04 +0000
Re: Underground fires c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-24 04:55 -0500
Re: Underground fires The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-24 13:13 +0000
Re: Underground fires Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-23 11:43 -0800
Re: Underground fires pyotr filipivich <phamp@mindspring.com> - 2025-12-24 09:04 -0800
Re: Underground fires "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-27 12:37 +0100
Re: Underground fires c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-27 11:44 -0500
Toxics... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-26 22:47 +0100
Re: Underground fires Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-21 22:11 +1100
Re: Underground fires rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-21 20:34 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-19 02:12 -0500
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-13 22:48 -0500
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-14 09:16 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2025-12-15 01:05 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-15 04:22 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-15 18:27 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-15 19:17 +0100
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-14 22:01 -0500
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-15 21:52 +1100
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-15 20:27 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-14 13:36 +0100
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-14 19:53 +0000
Forests... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-14 22:45 +0100
Re: Forests... Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-14 23:09 -0500
Re: Forests... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-15 18:24 +0000
Re: Forests... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-15 23:38 +0000
Re: Forests... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-16 10:48 +0000
Re: Forests... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-16 19:24 +0000
Re: Forests... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-15 18:59 +0000
Re: Forests... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-16 21:31 +1100
Re: Forests... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-16 19:15 +0000
Re: Forests... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-15 02:59 -0500
Re: Forests... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-15 19:28 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 12:13 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-10 22:22 -0500
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-11 09:17 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-11 05:00 -0500
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-11 22:14 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-12 11:35 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-12 18:21 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-15 17:51 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-15 20:39 +0000
Wood "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 19:50 +0100
Garbage bags "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-10 14:49 +0100
Re: Garbage bags knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> - 2025-12-10 10:10 -0500
Re: Garbage bags The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 16:58 +0000
Re: Garbage bags rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-11 02:46 +0000
Re: Garbage bags The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-11 09:02 +0000
Re: Garbage bags rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-11 21:30 +0000
Re: Garbage bags Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2025-12-12 02:58 -0600
Re: Garbage bags "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 12:28 +0100
Re: Garbage bags The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-11 12:42 +0000
Trails, Dogshit and Plastic in Nature Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-11 13:51 +0000
Re: Trails, Dogshit and Plastic in Nature "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 20:14 +0100
Re: Garbage bags rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-11 20:20 +0000
Re: Garbage bags "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 22:22 +0100
Re: Garbage bags The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 16:47 +0000
Re: Garbage bags rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-11 02:44 +0000
Re: Garbage bags c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-10 23:51 -0500
Re: Garbage bags The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-11 09:24 +0000
Re: Garbage bags rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-11 21:48 +0000
Re: Garbage bags Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-11 13:56 -0800
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-10 14:44 +0100
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-10 21:26 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-11 02:30 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 12:37 +0100
Dogshit and bags Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-11 14:05 +0000
Re: Dogshit and bags "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 20:16 +0100
Re: Dogshit and bags rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-11 20:08 +0000
Re: Dogshit and bags Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> - 2025-12-12 09:09 +1100
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-11 19:46 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 22:27 +0100
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 11:08 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-14 22:23 +1100
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-15 18:19 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-16 23:13 +1100
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-16 14:29 +0000
Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-10 22:21 +1100
Re: Sopping carts, baskets, bags... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-10 22:14 +1100
Re: Sopping carts, baskets, bags... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-10 06:40 -0500
Re: Sopping carts, baskets, bags... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 11:53 +0000
Re: Sopping carts, baskets, bags... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-12 21:57 +1100
Re: Sopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-12 18:50 +0000
Re: Sopping carts, baskets, bags... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-14 22:34 +1100
Re: Sopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-14 20:27 +0000
Re: Sopping carts, baskets, bags... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-15 02:50 -0500
Re: Sopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-15 20:44 +0000
Re: Sopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-16 22:07 +0100
Re: Sopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-17 01:15 +0000
Re: Sopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-18 22:49 +0100
Re: Sopping carts, baskets, bags... Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-19 04:27 -0500
Re: Sopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-19 15:41 +0100
Re: Sopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-10 14:55 +0100
Re: Sopping carts, baskets, bags... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-12 22:06 +1100
Re: Sopping carts, baskets, bags... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-12 21:48 +1100
Re: Sopping carts, baskets, bags... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 11:47 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-08 23:45 +1100
Autoblock feature of shopping carts. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-07 19:14 +0100
Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-07 15:04 -0500
Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 01:10 +0000
Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-08 04:41 +0000
Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-07 23:57 -0500
Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-08 05:49 +0000
Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-08 01:29 -0500
Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 08:29 +0000
Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-08 09:03 +0000
Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-08 22:23 +0000
Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-09 10:03 +0000
Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-09 16:13 +0000
Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-09 19:14 +0000
Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-09 20:21 -0500
Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-10 03:25 +0000
Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-08 01:58 -0500
Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-08 03:13 -0500
Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 08:14 +0000
Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-08 23:52 +1100
Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 23:15 +0000
Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-09 22:44 +1100
Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-07 21:56 -0500
Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-09 00:04 +1100
Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 22:46 +0000
Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-09 01:41 -0500
Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-09 22:46 +1100
Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-09 21:06 +0000
Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-11 22:12 +1100
Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-09 20:42 -0500
Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-08 23:38 +1100
Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-01 22:19 +1100
Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-01 11:33 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-01 21:25 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-01 21:48 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-02 02:51 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-02 06:05 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-02 04:57 -0500
Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-03 16:09 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-03 23:03 -0500
Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-04 07:00 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-01 23:21 -0500
Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-01 22:49 -0500
Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-02 11:12 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-02 21:14 -0500
Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-03 11:24 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-03 22:13 -0500
Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-04 12:32 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-05 23:14 +1100
Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-05 21:36 -0500
Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-06 22:52 +1100
Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-07 00:07 +1100
Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-06 23:41 -0500
Double booting "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-07 19:25 +0100
Re: Double booting Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-07 19:00 +0000
Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-07 20:33 +0000
Re: Double booting "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-07 22:32 +0100
Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-08 08:56 +0000
Re: Double booting "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-08 14:53 +0100
Re: Double booting "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-07 22:31 +0100
Re: Double booting Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-07 22:24 +0000
Re: Double booting "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-08 14:53 +0100
Re: Double booting Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-08 22:43 +0000
Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-09 10:11 +0000
Re: Double booting "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-09 15:48 +0100
Re: Double booting Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-09 16:18 +0000
Re: Double booting rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-07 19:33 +0000
Re: Double booting Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-09 00:20 +1100
Re: Double booting "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-08 14:59 +0100
Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-08 18:02 +0000
Re: Double booting rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 22:41 +0000
Re: Double booting c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-09 03:35 -0500
Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-09 10:09 +0000
Re: Double booting Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-09 22:53 +1100
Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-09 14:08 +0000
Re: Double booting Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-11 22:18 +1100
Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-11 12:36 +0000
Re: Double booting Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-12 22:11 +1100
Re: Double booting c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-09 20:50 -0500
Re: Double booting Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-10 03:05 +0000
Re: Double booting c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-09 22:17 -0500
Re: Double booting Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-10 03:25 +0000
Re: Double booting c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-10 00:18 -0500
Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 10:52 +0000
Re: Double booting rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-11 02:16 +0000
Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-11 08:58 +0000
Re: Double booting Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-14 22:38 +1100
Re: Double booting "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-14 13:42 +0100
Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 10:49 +0000
Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 10:45 +0000
Re: Double booting c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-09 20:28 -0500
GPS Based Speedometers Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-09 12:47 +0000
Re: GPS Based Speedometers knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> - 2025-12-09 08:14 -0500
Re: GPS Based Speedometers The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-09 14:13 +0000
Re: GPS Based Speedometers Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-09 18:35 +0000
Re: GPS Based Speedometers rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-09 20:30 +0000
Re: GPS Based Speedometers Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-09 16:52 -0500
Re: GPS Based Speedometers Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-09 21:01 +0000
Re: GPS Based Speedometers The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 10:37 +0000
Re: GPS Based Speedometers Herbert Kleebauer <klee@unibwm.de> - 2025-12-09 16:24 +0100
Re: GPS Based Speedometers Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-09 18:39 +0000
Re: GPS Based Speedometers Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-14 23:06 +1100
Re: GPS Based Speedometers "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-14 13:43 +0100
Re: GPS Based Speedometers rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-14 19:09 +0000
Re: GPS Based Speedometers c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-15 00:12 -0500
Re: GPS Based Speedometers rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-15 19:55 +0000
Re: GPS Based Speedometers rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-09 20:46 +0000
Re: GPS Based Speedometers c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-09 21:31 -0500
Re: Double booting rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-09 20:23 +0000
Re: Double booting Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2025-12-09 17:01 -0600
Re: Double booting Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-10 03:15 +0000
Cars, motors "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 11:16 +0100
Re: Double booting rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-10 03:18 +0000
Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 10:30 +0000
Re: Double booting c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-10 05:59 -0500
Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 11:46 +0000
Cars, engines... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 11:11 +0100
Re: Cars, engines... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-11 21:28 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-12 03:42 +0100
Re: Cars, engines... Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-11 21:49 -0800
Re: Cars, engines... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-12 07:09 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-15 23:19 +1100
Re: Cars, engines... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-15 18:26 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-12 14:19 +0100
Re: Cars, engines... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-12 15:27 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-12 17:49 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-12 20:48 +0100
Re: Cars, engines... Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-13 15:40 -0800
Re: Cars, engines... CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-12-13 19:32 -0500
Re: Cars, engines... Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-13 21:08 -0800
Re: Cars, engines... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-14 01:32 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-13 21:14 -0800
Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-14 01:33 -0500
Re: Cars, engines... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-15 18:18 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-16 23:26 +1100
Re: Cars, engines... Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-16 13:20 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-16 14:29 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-17 23:00 +1100
Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-17 22:04 -0500
Re: Cars, engines... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-18 09:51 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-14 08:45 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-15 18:15 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-15 18:02 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-15 18:27 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-15 23:45 +1100
Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-15 22:28 -0500
Re: Cars, engines... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-16 23:37 +1100
Re: Cars, engines... Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-17 00:42 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-17 01:02 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-12-16 20:12 -0700
Re: Cars, engines... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-18 22:56 +0100
Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-19 02:15 -0500
Re: Cars, engines... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-19 15:42 +0100
Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-20 03:53 -0500
Re: Cars, engines... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-20 13:20 +0100
Re: Cars, engines... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-19 22:41 +1100
Re: Cars, engines... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-19 23:15 +1100
Re: Cars, engines... Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-12-19 21:12 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-20 01:32 -0500
Re: Cars, engines... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-20 10:48 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-21 14:49 -0500
Re: Cars, engines... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-21 20:03 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-21 16:39 -0500
Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-22 03:07 -0500
Re: Cars, engines... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-22 12:56 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-22 17:33 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-23 01:14 -0500
Re: Cars, engines... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-29 22:20 +0100
Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-30 03:11 -0500
Re: Cars, engines... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-30 09:25 +0100
Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-30 13:08 -0500
Re: Cars, engines... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-30 18:55 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-31 00:43 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-22 21:59 +1100
Re: Cars, engines... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-12 14:32 +0100
Re: Cars, engines... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-12 15:39 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-12 20:59 +0100
Re: Cars, engines... Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-13 02:52 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-13 06:11 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-14 03:48 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-14 08:50 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-14 13:51 +0100
Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-13 04:06 -0500
Re: Cars, engines... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-13 21:03 +0100
Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-14 00:03 -0500
Re: Cars, engines... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-14 13:59 +0100
Re: Cars, engines... Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2025-12-14 13:17 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-14 20:27 +0100
Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-15 01:33 -0500
Re: Cars, engines... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-15 19:34 +0100
Re: Cars, engines... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-15 19:23 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-16 22:17 +0100
Re: Cars, engines... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-15 17:57 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-12 06:58 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-12 02:23 -0500
Re: Cars, engines... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-17 23:11 +1100
Re: Cars, engines... Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2025-12-17 12:28 -0600
Re: Cars, engines... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-17 18:39 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-17 22:08 -0500
Re: Cars, engines... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-18 22:55 +1100
Re: Cars, engines... pH <wNOSPAMp@gmail.org> - 2025-12-18 06:01 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-12 11:29 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-12 17:31 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-15 17:50 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-13 00:13 -0500
Re: Cars, engines... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-13 06:18 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-13 02:08 -0500
Re: Cars, engines... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-13 19:44 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-13 23:46 -0500
Re: Cars, engines... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-14 09:12 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-14 20:29 +0100
Re: Cars, engines... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-15 17:54 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-15 23:01 +1100
Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-15 22:24 -0500
Re: Cars, engines... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-16 07:44 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-16 10:48 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-11 23:02 -0500
Re: Cars, engines... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-12 06:52 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-12 02:19 -0500
Re: Cars, engines... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-12 08:14 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-12 22:35 -0500
Re: Cars, engines... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-13 06:03 +0000
Re: Cars, engines... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-12 14:25 +0100
Re: Cars, engines... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-12 14:23 +0100
Re: Double booting Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-09 22:50 +1100
Re: Double booting "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-09 14:48 +0100
Re: Double booting Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-09 18:50 +0000
Re: Double booting rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-09 21:28 +0000
Re: Double booting Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-11 22:21 +1100
Re: Double booting "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 12:56 +0100
Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-11 12:32 +0000
Re: Double booting Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-09 18:46 +0000
Re: Double booting c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-09 20:47 -0500
Re: Double booting rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 22:39 +0000
Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-09 10:08 +0000
Re: Double booting Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-09 22:57 +1100
Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-09 14:09 +0000
Re: Double booting "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-09 15:50 +0100
Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-09 19:11 +0000
Re: Double booting rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-09 20:20 +0000
Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 10:27 +0000
Re: Double booting c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-10 05:57 -0500
Wheels "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 11:20 +0100
Re: Wheels Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-11 18:51 +0000
Re: Wheels "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 20:21 +0100
Re: Wheels Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-11 19:40 +0000
Re: Wheels "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 22:29 +0100
Re: Wheels rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-11 21:23 +0000
Re: Wheels "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-12 14:44 +0100
Re: Wheels rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-12 19:12 +0000
Re: Wheels "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-13 23:55 +0100
Re: Wheels rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-14 01:36 +0000
Re: Wheels Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-17 23:51 +1100
Re: Wheels "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-18 23:07 +0100
Re: Wheels rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-19 03:24 +0000
Re: Wheels Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2025-12-19 00:55 -0600
Re: Wheels "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-19 15:46 +0100
Re: Wheels rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-19 19:09 +0000
Re: Wheels "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-19 22:42 +0100
Re: Wheels c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-20 03:56 -0500
Rubber "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-20 13:32 +0100
Re: Rubber Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-12-20 13:37 +0000
Re: Rubber rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-21 02:06 +0000
Re: Rubber Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-20 12:26 -0500
Re: Rubber Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-20 20:45 +0000
Re: Rubber rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-21 02:03 +0000
Re: Rubber Don_from_AZ <djatechNOSPAM@comcast.net.invalid> - 2025-12-20 21:38 -0700
Re: Rubber candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-12-24 14:10 +0000
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Re: Wheels Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-19 05:06 -0500
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Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-06 12:17 +0000
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Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-02 10:50 +0000
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Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-03 11:15 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-05 23:21 +1100
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Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-01 04:53 -0500
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Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-02 11:00 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-02 21:27 +0100
Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-02 20:41 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-02 20:37 -0500
Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-03 11:19 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-02 20:26 -0500
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Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-02 10:57 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-01 11:30 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-01 22:46 -0500
Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-02 21:40 +0100
Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-02 20:46 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-03 00:12 -0500
Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-03 11:31 +0000
Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-03 16:53 +0000
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Re: Shareholder primacy (was: Re: The "Standards" Game) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-04 02:28 +0000
Re: Shareholder primacy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-04 12:24 +0000
Re: Shareholder primacy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-04 18:24 +0000
Re: Shareholder primacy John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-12-04 11:08 -0800
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Re: Shareholder primacy c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-05 03:55 -0500
Re: Shareholder primacy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-05 18:45 +0000
Re: Shareholder primacy c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-06 04:24 -0500
Re: Shareholder primacy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-06 11:55 +0000
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Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-01 21:29 +0000
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-12-19 18:48 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Wheels |
| Message-ID | <mqlkvhFrm29U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #79478 |
On Fri, 19 Dec 2025 05:06:24 -0500, Paul wrote: > We're not allowed to drive on steel studs, and this advert does not say > what the studs are made of. Some of our tires are augmented with walnut > shells, which is easier on the road surface. Even some of the winter > bicycle tires here, have walnut shells or similar "soft" materials. I > haven't checked but I doubt a steel stud on a bicycle tire is really a > good idea (engineering issue). We can use studs from October 1 - May 31.. I put them on at the end of November and take them off in the spring depending on the conditions but it's never been that late, usually sometime in March. The weather for the next week looks like 40s during the day with a little rain or snow followed by nights in the high 20s. Perfect black ice conditions. It doesn't look like a white Christmas or a green Christmas for the ski slope. Some seasons are better than others but it's marginal. There was another downhill area that gave up 30 years ago. It's been converted to a mountain bike / hiking area. Nokian has studded bicycle tires but even when I was crazy enough to ride all winter I didn't use them. They might have saved me a couple of slide down the road on my butt incidents but I bounced better back then. I saw one guy with a dirt bike with a DIY solution. He'd screwed hex head self-tapping screws into the lugs on the knobbies. He said they worked fairly well. There was a group in Butte that got into ice racing for a couple of years. It didn't last long. Maybe Darwinian selection entered the picture. Those studs are deadly. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_speedway > https://www.amazon.ca/Nokian-Hakkapeliitta-Studded-205-55R16/dp/ B09BF64WZZ I had a set of Nokians that I really liked. The car they were on was taken out by a snowplow in March so I left them on the wreck and kept the summer set. I should have changed them out. I couldn't find Nokians when I replaced them.
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| From | Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> |
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| Date | 2025-12-19 19:26 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Wheels |
| Message-ID | <slrn10kb9mu.16mck.lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> |
| In reply to | #79503 |
["Followup-To:" header set to alt.unix.geeks] On 2025-12-19, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: >> https://www.amazon.ca/Nokian-Hakkapeliitta-Studded-205-55R16/dp/ > B09BF64WZZ > I had a set of Nokians that I really liked. The car they were on was taken > out by a snowplow in March so I left them on the wreck and kept the summer > set. I should have changed them out. I couldn't find Nokians when I > replaced them. Nokian - made by Nokia? Hakkapeliitta - also looks Finnish - does hakka mean "hook" or "stud" ? And how does such a weird, outlandish brand end up on a tire shop shelf in Montana? -- Lars Poulsen - lars@beagle-ears.com Resident old geek in Santa Barbara
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-19 22:49 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Wheels |
| Message-ID | <9stg1mx9pa.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #79503 |
On 2025-12-19 19:48, rbowman wrote: > On Fri, 19 Dec 2025 05:06:24 -0500, Paul wrote: > >> We're not allowed to drive on steel studs, and this advert does not say >> what the studs are made of. Some of our tires are augmented with walnut >> shells, which is easier on the road surface. Even some of the winter >> bicycle tires here, have walnut shells or similar "soft" materials. I >> haven't checked but I doubt a steel stud on a bicycle tire is really a >> good idea (engineering issue). > > We can use studs from October 1 - May 31.. I put them on at the end of > November and take them off in the spring depending on the conditions but > it's never been that late, usually sometime in March. My late cousin (Canadian) put thumbtack inside the tire, flat side touching the tube, and points peeking out through the tire, on a bicycle, and used that to go to work in winter. Parking was terrible in the city, he said. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-12-20 05:01 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Wheels |
| Message-ID | <mqmospF2n74U2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #79526 |
On Fri, 19 Dec 2025 22:49:29 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: > My late cousin (Canadian) put thumbtack inside the tire, flat side > touching the tube, and points peeking out through the tire, on a > bicycle, and used that to go to work in winter. Parking was terrible in > the city, he said. That works. When I was young and impoverished I studded my own tires. amazon.com/SCHWALBE-Tyre-Spikes-Spike-Replacement/dp/B08X18R6J2 Most of the snow tires had holes molded into the tread for studs and you could push the mushroom headed studs in with the tool. Once was enough. At least I only had to do the two rear tires. I don't know if it is a state law or store policy but the shops here will only put studded tires on all 4 wheels, at least for FWD cars. They do the job but between the studs and the more aggressive tread they are noisy and I'm happy to take them off in the spring.
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| From | Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> |
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| Date | 2025-12-19 22:48 +1100 |
| Subject | Re: Wheels |
| Message-ID | <10i3e25$14fvp$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #79458 |
On 19/12/2025 2:24 pm, rbowman wrote: > On Thu, 18 Dec 2025 23:07:00 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: > >> I just switch the front wheels to the rear, and the rear to the front, >> at about 30000 Km, ⅓ of life. The front wheels get more worn out than >> the rear, so I have to do that trick so that the four do last. The >> mechanic doesn't like it, but I know my way of driving > > The Toyota maintenance schedule is to rotate the tires every 5000 miles. > When I switch to studs in the winter I mark the LF, LR, RF, and RR tires > and in the spring put the LF on the LR etc and call it good enough. I > still don't get 90k km. > Back in the day, didn't they also suggest changing sides, i.e. LF - RR, RR - LF, RF - LR, LR - RF?? And, some how, you were supposed to throw the Spare Tyre into the mix as well .... but now that you might not actually get a Spare Tyre, just an Emergency Tyre...... ?? -- Daniel70
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-19 15:51 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Wheels |
| Message-ID | <ob5g1mx9t2.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #79482 |
On 2025-12-19 12:48, Daniel70 wrote: > On 19/12/2025 2:24 pm, rbowman wrote: >> On Thu, 18 Dec 2025 23:07:00 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> >>> I just switch the front wheels to the rear, and the rear to the front, >>> at about 30000 Km, ⅓ of life. The front wheels get more worn out than >>> the rear, so I have to do that trick so that the four do last. The >>> mechanic doesn't like it, but I know my way of driving >> >> The Toyota maintenance schedule is to rotate the tires every 5000 miles. >> When I switch to studs in the winter I mark the LF, LR, RF, and RR tires >> and in the spring put the LF on the LR etc and call it good enough. I >> still don't get 90k km. >> > Back in the day, didn't they also suggest changing sides, i.e. LF - RR, > RR - LF, RF - LR, LR - RF?? > > And, some how, you were supposed to throw the Spare Tyre into the mix as > well .... Yes, long ago. > but now that you might not actually get a Spare Tyre, just an > Emergency Tyre...... ?? -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-12-19 18:54 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Wheels |
| Message-ID | <mqllaoFrm29U2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #79482 |
On Fri, 19 Dec 2025 22:48:19 +1100, Daniel70 wrote: > Back in the day, didn't they also suggest changing sides, i.e. LF - RR, > RR - LF, RF - LR, LR - RF?? > > And, some how, you were supposed to throw the Spare Tyre into the mix as > well .... but now that you might not actually get a Spare Tyre, just an > Emergency Tyre...... ?? Yeah, you used to do a sort of X pattern. Both the studs and street tires are directional on my car, plus the doughnut spare, makes it a front to rear process.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-12-20 01:50 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: Wheels |
| Message-ID | <DYucnU0z0beE2tv0nZ2dnZfqnPWdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #79482 |
On 12/19/25 06:48, Daniel70 wrote: > On 19/12/2025 2:24 pm, rbowman wrote: >> On Thu, 18 Dec 2025 23:07:00 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> >>> I just switch the front wheels to the rear, and the rear to the front, >>> at about 30000 Km, ⅓ of life. The front wheels get more worn out than >>> the rear, so I have to do that trick so that the four do last. The >>> mechanic doesn't like it, but I know my way of driving >> >> The Toyota maintenance schedule is to rotate the tires every 5000 miles. >> When I switch to studs in the winter I mark the LF, LR, RF, and RR tires >> and in the spring put the LF on the LR etc and call it good enough. I >> still don't get 90k km. >> > Back in the day, didn't they also suggest changing sides, i.e. LF - RR, > RR - LF, RF - LR, LR - RF?? > > And, some how, you were supposed to throw the Spare Tyre into the mix as > well .... but now that you might not actually get a Spare Tyre, just an > Emergency Tyre...... ?? I don't think you can get anything ELSE these days in USA. It's ALWAYS that hard little sub-tire in a compartment in the trunk/boot. It's so stiff you can't even tell if it's got pressure ... and really that BARELY matters. They OUGHT to just make them full of urea foam ... always 'inflated'. A *few* SUVs/Jeeps have a special rack on the back that'll fit FULL-sized spares. Alas, so exposed, SOME punk will let out all the air or slash it :-) HAVE seen a very few mounts with a fiberglass/plastic cover OVER the tire. Good idea - but does speak about 'human nature' eh ? As for "rotating" ... yes, it IS the ideal thing. However FEW do it ... too much expense or trouble. In USA tires are not THAT damned expensive so, well, you just wait until they show bald spots and then replace with new. Any good tire you can get in USA - Goodyear, Michelin, Firestone, Cooper etc - can last a LONG LONG time. Some people DO drive 100,000+ a year, but MOST don't come near that. I'm old now, I go to the food and convenience store. The tires will ROT before I wear them out. Came into a car my mother owned when she got too old/blind to drive. The (original) tires were actually rotting because she never WENT more than a few miles once a week.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-20 13:47 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Wheels |
| Message-ID | <kgii1mxbe4.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #79547 |
On 2025-12-20 07:50, c186282 wrote: > On 12/19/25 06:48, Daniel70 wrote: >> On 19/12/2025 2:24 pm, rbowman wrote: >>> On Thu, 18 Dec 2025 23:07:00 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>> >>>> I just switch the front wheels to the rear, and the rear to the front, >>>> at about 30000 Km, ⅓ of life. The front wheels get more worn out than >>>> the rear, so I have to do that trick so that the four do last. The >>>> mechanic doesn't like it, but I know my way of driving >>> >>> The Toyota maintenance schedule is to rotate the tires every 5000 miles. >>> When I switch to studs in the winter I mark the LF, LR, RF, and RR tires >>> and in the spring put the LF on the LR etc and call it good enough. I >>> still don't get 90k km. >>> >> Back in the day, didn't they also suggest changing sides, i.e. LF - >> RR, RR - LF, RF - LR, LR - RF?? >> >> And, some how, you were supposed to throw the Spare Tyre into the mix >> as well .... but now that you might not actually get a Spare Tyre, >> just an Emergency Tyre...... ?? > > I don't think you can get anything ELSE these days > in USA. It's ALWAYS that hard little sub-tire in > a compartment in the trunk/boot. It's so stiff you > can't even tell if it's got pressure ... and really > that BARELY matters. They OUGHT to just make them > full of urea foam ... always 'inflated'. My current car doesn't even have one. It has a can of some liquid which you put inside the deflated tire with the air pump. I got a screw into my front left wheel (I did not see it), tried the kit, the wheel deflated again in half an hour. In the end I called the RACE (Royal Automobile Club of Spain). A crane came, the chap found the screw, marked the spot, removed it, and pushed with an awl a thread of soft rubber into the hole. That allowed me to complete the trip, and had the wheel properly repaired. Then I tried to get a true spare tire for my car, but was told none existed, so I had to get another kit. First puncture in my life. Oh, had a completely wasted tire once: a broken brick slashed a gap on the side, a 4 cm long at least. Had to buy a new tire. But that car had a true spare tire. Oh, once that tire was stolen. Had to go to the police station and fill a form, so that the insurance paid for a percent of a new wheel. That car saw a lot of garages... > > A *few* SUVs/Jeeps have a special rack on the back > that'll fit FULL-sized spares. Alas, so exposed, > SOME punk will let out all the air or slash it :-) > > HAVE seen a very few mounts with a fiberglass/plastic > cover OVER the tire. Good idea - but does speak about > 'human nature' eh ? > > As for "rotating" ... yes, it IS the ideal thing. > However FEW do it ... too much expense or trouble. > In USA tires are not THAT damned expensive so, well, > you just wait until they show bald spots and then > replace with new. > > Any good tire you can get in USA - Goodyear, Michelin, > Firestone, Cooper etc - can last a LONG LONG time. > Some people DO drive 100,000+ a year, but MOST don't > come near that. I'm old now, I go to the food and > convenience store. The tires will ROT before I > wear them out. Came into a car my mother owned when > she got too old/blind to drive. The (original) tires > were actually rotting because she never WENT more > than a few miles once a week. Distances in my city are shorter, so I know some ladies that make do with a motorized chair (electric). No parking needed :-) -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-12-21 01:48 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Wheels |
| Message-ID | <mqp1usFdqp5U6@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #79573 |
On Sat, 20 Dec 2025 13:47:48 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: > My current car doesn't even have one. It has a can of some liquid which > you put inside the deflated tire with the air pump. I got a screw into > my front left wheel (I did not see it), tried the kit, the wheel > deflated again in half an hour. In the end I called the RACE (Royal > Automobile Club of Spain). A crane came, the chap found the screw, > marked the spot, removed it, and pushed with an awl a thread of soft > rubber into the hole. That allowed me to complete the trip, and had the > wheel properly repaired. I carry a plug kit and an air pump.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-12-21 01:42 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Wheels |
| Message-ID | <mqp1kdFdqp5U5@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #79547 |
On Sat, 20 Dec 2025 01:50:00 -0500, c186282 wrote: > I don't think you can get anything ELSE these days in USA. It's > ALWAYS that hard little sub-tire in a compartment in the trunk/boot. > It's so stiff you can't even tell if it's got pressure ... and really > that BARELY matters. They OUGHT to just make them full of urea foam > ... always 'inflated'. I had a brilliant idea. Since I have two sets of mounted tires I'd put a real tire in the trunk or whatever you call a hatchback's storage area when the spare is. Forget about it! I carry a plug kit and an air pump. It's bailed me out a couple of times. I do the same for the two bikes that have tubeless tires. I've done a roadside tube patch with the DR650 and I really rather not do that again. It didn't help that it was the 4th of July and hotter than a firecracker.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-12-11 23:15 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: Wheels |
| Message-ID | <ifCdncsHIPZQC6b0nZ2dnZfqn_idnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #78784 |
On 12/11/25 05:20, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2025-12-10 11:57, c186282 wrote: >> On 12/10/25 05:27, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>> On 09/12/2025 20:20, rbowman wrote: > > >>> Otherwise a flat tyre would tear itself off the rim' >> >> Umm ... they DO ... or at least TRY. It's just >> that the rim is too stiff to 'tear' much unless >> under extreme load. HAVE seen it on 18-wheelers ... >> entire giant tire breaking loose, then rolling >> at 80mph and bouncing randomly off an overpass. >> Deadly if you were in the path ..... > > Once I overtook a lorry, very early morning. One of the rear wheels > was... how can I say... the sides of the rubber were intact, but the > part that touches the asphalt was loose, turning wildly at the 100Km/h > the lorry was doing. We were bewildered, not knowing what to do. Because of the mass of the vehicle, many truckers don't even know they've had such a failure unless huge flames are involved. And I've seen just that. The torn-loose tire was most impressive though, actually overtook the truck, riding the margin, then hit the railing of an overpass, bounced a good 100' into the air and almost hit a car up ahead.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-12 14:50 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Wheels |
| Message-ID | <d6jt0mxau1.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #78864 |
On 2025-12-12 05:15, c186282 wrote: > On 12/11/25 05:20, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> On 2025-12-10 11:57, c186282 wrote: >>> On 12/10/25 05:27, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>>> On 09/12/2025 20:20, rbowman wrote: >> >> >>>> Otherwise a flat tyre would tear itself off the rim' >>> >>> Umm ... they DO ... or at least TRY. It's just >>> that the rim is too stiff to 'tear' much unless >>> under extreme load. HAVE seen it on 18-wheelers ... >>> entire giant tire breaking loose, then rolling >>> at 80mph and bouncing randomly off an overpass. >>> Deadly if you were in the path ..... >> >> Once I overtook a lorry, very early morning. One of the rear wheels >> was... how can I say... the sides of the rubber were intact, but the >> part that touches the asphalt was loose, turning wildly at the 100Km/h >> the lorry was doing. We were bewildered, not knowing what to do. > > Because of the mass of the vehicle, many truckers > don't even know they've had such a failure unless > huge flames are involved. We were three tired people in the car (we had been photographing shooting stars during the night). One was asleep. We did not know how to alert the driver. > And I've seen just that. > > The torn-loose tire was most impressive though, > actually overtook the truck, riding the margin, > then hit the railing of an overpass, bounced a > good 100' into the air and almost hit a car > up ahead. Wow. Yes, it is curious, loose wheels can overtake the vehicle. Saw that happening once to a car ahead of me. The wheel came loose and bounced to the right side of the tarmac, turning and bouncing for one or two hundred meters. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-10 03:20 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Double booting |
| Message-ID | <c02n0mxnmv.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #78583 |
On 2025-12-09 20:11, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 09/12/2025 14:50, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> On 2025-12-09 15:09, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>> On 09/12/2025 11:57, Daniel70 wrote: >>>> On 9/12/2025 9:08 pm, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>>>> On 08/12/2025 22:39, rbowman wrote: >>>>>> On Tue, 9 Dec 2025 00:20:38 +1100, Daniel70 wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I usually put it down to my Tyres being under-inflated, so their >>>>>>> diameter is less so it takes more revolutions of the tyre to >>>>>>> cover a specified distance. >>>>>> >>>>>> I don't think under inflation would change the diameter enough to >>>>>> throw the speed off that much. In my case the diameter of the 14" >>>>>> wheels is noticeably less than the 15". I see that in the spring >>>>>> when I'm going back to the 15". If I jack the car up enough so the >>>>>> 14" leaves the ground and I can remove it sometimes I have to jack >>>>>> a little more to get the 15" on. >>>>>> >>>>> There is no such thing as diameter on a tyre. It isn't circular. >>>>> Might as well ask yourself 'what is the diameter of a tank track' >>>>> >>>>> What counts is circumference and the tyre is elastic enough to expand >>>>> a little under high pressure. >>>> >>>> .... and that pressure would get higher due to usage heating the tyre. >>>> >>>>> And to wear a little lower. >>>> >>>> ... which would reduce the tyres diameter, so decreasing the Ground >>>> speed. >>> >>> THE TYRE HAS NO DIAMETER., It is not circular. >> >> It doesn't matter. We can calculate it. >> > No you cannot. Yes, we can. It is a formula with π in it. > Any more than you can calculate the 'diameter' of a tank tread. > You might choose to evaluate (circumference over pi), but that is just a > number that has no meaning in this context. There is no physical > dimension that corresponds to it Irrelevant. We measure the actual distance travelled for a number of turns. From that we calculate the effective circumference, and from that, the effective radius. None of those have to be the apparent length seen by a measuring tape on the wheel. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-12-10 00:22 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: Double booting |
| Message-ID | <h5OdncbLbN0unqT0nZ2dnZfqn_qdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #78615 |
On 12/9/25 21:20, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2025-12-09 20:11, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> On 09/12/2025 14:50, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>> On 2025-12-09 15:09, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>>> On 09/12/2025 11:57, Daniel70 wrote: >>>>> On 9/12/2025 9:08 pm, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>>>>> On 08/12/2025 22:39, rbowman wrote: >>>>>>> On Tue, 9 Dec 2025 00:20:38 +1100, Daniel70 wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I usually put it down to my Tyres being under-inflated, so their >>>>>>>> diameter is less so it takes more revolutions of the tyre to >>>>>>>> cover a specified distance. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I don't think under inflation would change the diameter enough to >>>>>>> throw the speed off that much. In my case the diameter of the 14" >>>>>>> wheels is noticeably less than the 15". I see that in the spring >>>>>>> when I'm going back to the 15". If I jack the car up enough so the >>>>>>> 14" leaves the ground and I can remove it sometimes I have to jack >>>>>>> a little more to get the 15" on. >>>>>>> >>>>>> There is no such thing as diameter on a tyre. It isn't circular. >>>>>> Might as well ask yourself 'what is the diameter of a tank track' >>>>>> >>>>>> What counts is circumference and the tyre is elastic enough to expand >>>>>> a little under high pressure. >>>>> >>>>> .... and that pressure would get higher due to usage heating the tyre. >>>>> >>>>>> And to wear a little lower. >>>>> >>>>> ... which would reduce the tyres diameter, so decreasing the Ground >>>>> speed. >>>> >>>> THE TYRE HAS NO DIAMETER., It is not circular. >>> >>> It doesn't matter. We can calculate it. >>> >> No you cannot. > > Yes, we can. It is a formula with π in it. > >> Any more than you can calculate the 'diameter' of a tank tread. >> You might choose to evaluate (circumference over pi), but that is just >> a number that has no meaning in this context. There is no physical >> dimension that corresponds to it > > Irrelevant. > > We measure the actual distance travelled for a number of turns. From > that we calculate the effective circumference, and from that, the > effective radius. > > None of those have to be the apparent length seen by a measuring tape on > the wheel. Planning to lock the steering and send it 500km towards Kyiv ??? If not, then the estimation based on raw diameter or circumference will be Good Enough to guess if yer new tires put you at legal risk. It's just TOO easy to get hung up on the decimal points.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-11 11:22 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Double booting |
| Message-ID | <nkiq0mxsfg.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #78630 |
On 2025-12-10 06:22, c186282 wrote: > On 12/9/25 21:20, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> On 2025-12-09 20:11, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>> On 09/12/2025 14:50, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>>> On 2025-12-09 15:09, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>>>> On 09/12/2025 11:57, Daniel70 wrote: >>>>>> On 9/12/2025 9:08 pm, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>>>>>> On 08/12/2025 22:39, rbowman wrote: >>>>>>>> On Tue, 9 Dec 2025 00:20:38 +1100, Daniel70 wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I usually put it down to my Tyres being under-inflated, so >>>>>>>>> their diameter is less so it takes more revolutions of the tyre to >>>>>>>>> cover a specified distance. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I don't think under inflation would change the diameter enough to >>>>>>>> throw the speed off that much. In my case the diameter of the 14" >>>>>>>> wheels is noticeably less than the 15". I see that in the spring >>>>>>>> when I'm going back to the 15". If I jack the car up enough so the >>>>>>>> 14" leaves the ground and I can remove it sometimes I have to jack >>>>>>>> a little more to get the 15" on. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> There is no such thing as diameter on a tyre. It isn't circular. >>>>>>> Might as well ask yourself 'what is the diameter of a tank track' >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What counts is circumference and the tyre is elastic enough to >>>>>>> expand >>>>>>> a little under high pressure. >>>>>> >>>>>> .... and that pressure would get higher due to usage heating the >>>>>> tyre. >>>>>> >>>>>>> And to wear a little lower. >>>>>> >>>>>> ... which would reduce the tyres diameter, so decreasing the >>>>>> Ground speed. >>>>> >>>>> THE TYRE HAS NO DIAMETER., It is not circular. >>>> >>>> It doesn't matter. We can calculate it. >>>> >>> No you cannot. >> >> Yes, we can. It is a formula with π in it. >> >>> Any more than you can calculate the 'diameter' of a tank tread. >>> You might choose to evaluate (circumference over pi), but that is >>> just a number that has no meaning in this context. There is no >>> physical dimension that corresponds to it >> >> Irrelevant. >> >> We measure the actual distance travelled for a number of turns. From >> that we calculate the effective circumference, and from that, the >> effective radius. >> >> None of those have to be the apparent length seen by a measuring tape >> on the wheel. > > Planning to lock the steering and send it 500km > towards Kyiv ??? :-D > > If not, then the estimation based on raw diameter > or circumference will be Good Enough to guess if > yer new tires put you at legal risk. > > It's just TOO easy to get hung up on the decimal points. Here we can not just put any wheel on a car, it has to be an approved one. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-12-11 23:20 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: Double booting |
| Message-ID | <3p-cnS2RUa6RBab0nZ2dnZfqn_udnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #78788 |
On 12/11/25 05:22, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2025-12-10 06:22, c186282 wrote: >> On 12/9/25 21:20, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>> On 2025-12-09 20:11, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>>> On 09/12/2025 14:50, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>>>> On 2025-12-09 15:09, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>>>>> On 09/12/2025 11:57, Daniel70 wrote: >>>>>>> On 9/12/2025 9:08 pm, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>>>>>>> On 08/12/2025 22:39, rbowman wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Tue, 9 Dec 2025 00:20:38 +1100, Daniel70 wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I usually put it down to my Tyres being under-inflated, so >>>>>>>>>> their diameter is less so it takes more revolutions of the >>>>>>>>>> tyre to >>>>>>>>>> cover a specified distance. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I don't think under inflation would change the diameter enough to >>>>>>>>> throw the speed off that much. In my case the diameter of the 14" >>>>>>>>> wheels is noticeably less than the 15". I see that in the spring >>>>>>>>> when I'm going back to the 15". If I jack the car up enough so the >>>>>>>>> 14" leaves the ground and I can remove it sometimes I have to jack >>>>>>>>> a little more to get the 15" on. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> There is no such thing as diameter on a tyre. It isn't circular. >>>>>>>> Might as well ask yourself 'what is the diameter of a tank track' >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> What counts is circumference and the tyre is elastic enough to >>>>>>>> expand >>>>>>>> a little under high pressure. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> .... and that pressure would get higher due to usage heating the >>>>>>> tyre. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> And to wear a little lower. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ... which would reduce the tyres diameter, so decreasing the >>>>>>> Ground speed. >>>>>> >>>>>> THE TYRE HAS NO DIAMETER., It is not circular. >>>>> >>>>> It doesn't matter. We can calculate it. >>>>> >>>> No you cannot. >>> >>> Yes, we can. It is a formula with π in it. >>> >>>> Any more than you can calculate the 'diameter' of a tank tread. >>>> You might choose to evaluate (circumference over pi), but that is >>>> just a number that has no meaning in this context. There is no >>>> physical dimension that corresponds to it >>> >>> Irrelevant. >>> >>> We measure the actual distance travelled for a number of turns. From >>> that we calculate the effective circumference, and from that, the >>> effective radius. >>> >>> None of those have to be the apparent length seen by a measuring tape >>> on the wheel. >> >> Planning to lock the steering and send it 500km >> towards Kyiv ??? > > :-D > >> >> If not, then the estimation based on raw diameter >> or circumference will be Good Enough to guess if >> yer new tires put you at legal risk. >> >> It's just TOO easy to get hung up on the decimal points. > > Here we can not just put any wheel on a car, it has to be an approved one. Still emulating the fascists I see ... what was the point in fighting them way back when ? USA you can get any brand, almost any size. You can mix sizes if you want.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-12 11:42 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Double booting |
| Message-ID | <10hgv2e$2r3rh$15@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #78865 |
On 12/12/2025 04:20, c186282 wrote: >> Here we can not just put any wheel on a car, it has to be an approved >> one. > > Still emulating the fascists I see ... what > was the point in fighting them way back when ? > > USA you can get any brand, almost any size. > You can mix sizes if you want. Well it is the flip side of not having cars with rusted through frames and no brakes and steering that is no more than a vague indication of intended direction on the road. 'Modification' of cars needs approval - at least from the insurers. However *some* latitude is allowable in the case of wheels and tyres Just not 50% larger rims and lift kits. -- "What do you think about Gay Marriage?" "I don't." "Don't what?" "Think about Gay Marriage."
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-12-13 01:48 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: Double booting |
| Message-ID | <Gp2cnVIsbIPckaD0nZ2dnZfqn_cAAAAA@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #78914 |
On 12/12/25 06:42, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 12/12/2025 04:20, c186282 wrote: >>> Here we can not just put any wheel on a car, it has to be an approved >>> one. >> >> Still emulating the fascists I see ... what >> was the point in fighting them way back when ? >> >> USA you can get any brand, almost any size. >> You can mix sizes if you want. > > Well it is the flip side of not having cars with rusted through frames > and no brakes and steering that is no more than a vague indication of > intended direction on the road. Well, the driving is up to YOU in the USA. Just keep it between the lines ....... > 'Modification' of cars needs approval - at least from the insurers. No "Low Riders" in the UK apparently .... what a waste ! > However *some* latitude is allowable in the case of wheels and tyres > > Just not 50% larger rims and lift kits. That would have ruined several popular USA vehicle trends ! In the 60s and 70s you often saw cars with tiny fronts and BIG rears. An odd variant, mostly with 'blacks' (and recently SAW one), is to mod the suspension so the NOSE is high in the air while the rear almost drags pavement. Put on some funky music and CRUISE ! Later, giant, 'big-foot', trucks. But the UK must be proud of making sure everything is so bland and 'normal' and 'civilized' "for everyone's good" ....... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqQuihD0hoI https://www.pinclipart.com/picdir/big/549-5494950_chopper-clipart-panhead-dragster-art-png-download.png https://i.etsystatic.com/51133007/r/il/73b1b6/5888466666/il_1140xN.5888466666_g65o.jpg USA is MUCH more fun. :-)
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-12 14:54 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Double booting |
| Message-ID | <bdjt0mxh92.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #78865 |
On 2025-12-12 05:20, c186282 wrote: > On 12/11/25 05:22, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> On 2025-12-10 06:22, c186282 wrote: >>> On 12/9/25 21:20, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>>> On 2025-12-09 20:11, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>>>> On 09/12/2025 14:50, Carlos E.R. wrote: ... >>> If not, then the estimation based on raw diameter >>> or circumference will be Good Enough to guess if >>> yer new tires put you at legal risk. >>> >>> It's just TOO easy to get hung up on the decimal points. >> >> Here we can not just put any wheel on a car, it has to be an approved >> one. > > Still emulating the fascists I see ... what > was the point in fighting them way back when ? > > USA you can get any brand, almost any size. > You can mix sizes if you want. You can put any wheel, but you need a technician or an engineer to certify the road worthiness of the modification. And it probably has to pass a test. The test is mandatory every few years for all vehicles. It actually saves lives. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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