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| First post | 2025-11-27 19:55 +0100 |
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Re: Recent history of vi Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2025-11-27 19:55 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-11-28 22:08 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2025-12-03 13:37 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-03 13:56 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-03 13:58 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-03 15:40 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-12-03 07:39 -0700
Re: Recent history of vi Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2025-12-06 16:46 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-13 08:28 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2025-12-15 10:38 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-12-16 02:20 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-16 02:52 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-16 11:53 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-16 17:42 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2025-12-17 10:39 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-16 23:34 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-17 01:49 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Diego Garcia <dg@linux.rocks> - 2025-12-03 14:40 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2025-12-04 07:00 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-12-05 20:52 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-12-05 15:57 -0700
Re: Recent history of vi candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-12-08 18:40 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-12-13 11:42 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-12-13 11:40 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2025-12-13 15:58 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-06 12:22 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-06 19:51 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-12-06 15:13 -0700
Re: polyglot programming, Recent history of vi John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-12-06 22:28 +0000
Re: polyglot programming, Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-07 01:39 +0000
Re: polyglot programming, Recent history of vi Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-07 06:19 +0000
Re: polyglot programming, Recent history of vi Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-06 22:50 -0800
Re: polyglot programming, Recent history of vi "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2025-12-07 10:52 +0000
Re: polyglot programming, Recent history of vi "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2025-12-22 12:02 +0000
Re: polyglot programming, Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-07 18:34 +0000
Re: polyglot programming, Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-16 00:02 +0000
Re: polyglot programming, Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-16 01:41 +0000
Re: polyglot programming, Recent history of vi Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-12-16 07:39 -0700
Re: polyglot programming, Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-16 15:57 +0000
Re: polyglot programming, Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-17 07:13 +0000
Re: polyglot programming, Recent history of vi Andy Walker <anw@cuboid.co.uk> - 2025-12-07 16:58 +0000
Re: polyglot programming, Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-16 00:00 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-07 00:35 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-07 19:48 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-07 00:38 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-07 01:31 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-07 11:18 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-07 18:52 +0000
Re: more polyglot programming, was Recent history of vi John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-12-07 19:39 +0000
Re: more polyglot programming, was Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-07 20:27 +0000
Re: more polyglot programming, was Recent history of vi Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-12-07 14:31 -0700
Re: more polyglot programming, was Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 01:46 +0000
Re: more polyglot programming, was Recent history of vi Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-08 05:53 +0000
Re: more polyglot programming, was Recent history of vi Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-07 22:25 -0800
Re: more polyglot programming, was Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 08:34 +0000
Re: more polyglot programming, was Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-08 08:48 +0000
Re: more polyglot programming, was Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 23:43 +0000
Re: more polyglot programming, was Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-15 23:56 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-12-07 16:31 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-07 18:49 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-12-07 19:12 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-07 19:44 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-07 12:14 -0800
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-07 20:26 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 03:05 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-08 08:46 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-12-08 16:39 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2025-12-08 16:07 -0500
Re: Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-10 13:15 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 13:43 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-11 02:54 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-11 08:55 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-15 00:41 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-12-07 14:30 -0700
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 03:12 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-07 11:52 -0800
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-07 20:23 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-12-07 22:54 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-07 14:25 -0800
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-08 08:25 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-12-08 16:26 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-12-08 12:15 -0700
Re: Recent history of vi Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2025-12-08 16:13 -0500
Re: Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-10 13:19 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-09 00:08 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 23:58 +0000
Greek origins of Christian scriptures [was Re: Recent history of vi] Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2025-12-07 18:17 -0500
Re: Recent history of vi Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-08 01:35 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-08 08:34 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-08 14:23 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-09 01:10 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2025-12-09 04:25 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2025-12-09 04:47 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-10 15:16 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 16:59 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-11 02:55 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-10 19:34 -0800
Re: Recent history of vi drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) - 2025-12-12 16:13 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2025-12-13 15:51 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-14 04:57 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-13 21:21 -0800
Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-20 00:21 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-20 05:52 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 02:38 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-08 08:21 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-12-08 07:38 -0700
Re: Recent history of vi Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2025-12-12 06:59 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-12 07:35 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-12-08 16:35 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-10 13:54 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 13:41 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-12-10 23:07 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-11 08:52 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-12-11 20:54 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-11 20:57 +0000
Re: linguistic hegemony, was Recent history of vi John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-12-12 02:01 +0000
Re: linguistic hegemony, was Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-12 02:27 +0000
Re: linguistic hegemony, was Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-12 03:28 +0100
Re: linguistic hegemony, was Recent history of vi Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-11 21:43 -0800
Re: linguistic hegemony, was Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-12 07:25 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-12-12 09:57 +0100
EU (was: Re: Recent history of vi "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2025-12-12 09:53 +0000
Re: EU (was: Re: Recent history of vi Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-12-12 11:51 +0100
Re: EU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-12 11:54 +0000
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-12 19:26 +0000
Re: EU Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-12-13 12:01 +0100
Re: EU Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-20 00:23 +0000
Re: EU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-15 18:34 +0000
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-15 20:59 +0000
Re: EU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-15 21:34 +0000
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-15 23:24 +0000
Re: EU Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-16 05:54 +0000
Re: EU Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-12-16 12:47 -0500
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-16 19:57 +0000
Re: EU "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-17 13:27 +0100
Re: EU c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-17 22:05 -0500
Re: EU Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-12-17 07:34 -0500
Re: EU Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-12-16 12:42 -0500
Re: EU scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-12-16 18:14 +0000
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-16 19:55 +0000
Re: EU scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-12-16 20:05 +0000
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-16 20:30 +0000
Re: EU scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-12-16 23:15 +0000
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-17 01:49 +0000
Re: EU Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-12-17 07:32 -0500
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-17 18:53 +0000
Re: EU Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-16 05:54 +0000
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-16 08:06 +0000
Re: EU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-16 10:33 +0000
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-16 20:02 +0000
Re: EU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-17 01:09 +0000
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-17 01:18 +0000
Re: EU c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-17 03:03 -0500
Re: EU "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-18 23:26 +0100
Re: EU c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-19 02:29 -0500
Re: EU "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2025-12-18 17:28 +0000
Re: EU c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-19 00:32 -0500
Re: EU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-19 10:47 +0000
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-19 19:30 +0000
Re: EU scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-12-19 20:01 +0000
Re: EU Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-19 22:03 +0000
Re: EU John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-12-19 14:08 -0800
Re: EU scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-12-19 22:33 +0000
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-20 05:12 +0000
Re: EU Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-20 20:45 +0000
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-21 03:41 +0000
Re: EU Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-22 01:00 +0000
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-22 07:06 +0000
Re: EU c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-22 02:21 -0500
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-22 19:06 +0000
Re: EU Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-22 14:41 -0800
Re: EU c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-23 01:59 -0500
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-23 19:47 +0000
Re: EU Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-23 21:18 +0000
Re: EU scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-12-23 22:38 +0000
Re: EU Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-23 23:32 +0000
Re: EU "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2025-12-24 10:24 +0000
Re: EU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-24 12:36 +0000
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-23 23:27 +0000
Re: EU Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-23 23:40 +0000
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-24 07:02 +0000
Re: EU "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2025-12-24 10:32 +0000
Re: EU Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-24 15:04 +0000
Re: EU Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-24 23:28 +0000
Re: EU c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-23 01:21 -0500
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Re: EU Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-22 17:33 +0000
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Re: EU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-20 10:39 +0000
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-21 03:10 +0000
Re: EU c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-21 14:29 -0500
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Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-21 20:52 +0000
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Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-21 03:07 +0000
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Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-17 07:43 +0000
Re: EU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-16 10:30 +0000
Re: EU Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-16 05:54 +0000
Re: EU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-16 10:25 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-12 11:53 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-12-12 20:27 +0100
Yes,{, Prime} Minister (was: Re: Recent history of vi) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-12 23:27 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2025-12-13 15:55 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-15 18:38 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-15 22:40 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-15 15:44 -0800
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-16 01:59 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-16 10:22 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-16 10:18 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-16 20:45 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-17 10:14 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-16 10:02 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-16 20:13 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-12-17 13:59 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-17 07:06 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-12-10 23:06 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 19:38 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 02:03 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-08 08:41 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2025-12-12 07:09 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-12 11:49 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-07 20:14 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-12-07 22:56 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-08 08:18 +0000
Re: Unicode (was Re: Recent history of vi) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-15 00:32 +0000
Re: Unicode (was Re: Recent history of vi) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-14 23:32 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2025-12-15 10:52 +0100
Re: Unicode, not Recent history of vi John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-12-05 01:59 +0000
Re: Unicode, not Recent history of vi Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-05 10:14 +0000
Re: Unicode, not Recent history of vi Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-05 10:35 +0000
Re: Unicode, not Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-05 12:05 +0100
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| From | Andy Walker <anw@cuboid.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2025-12-07 16:58 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: polyglot programming, Recent history of vi |
| Message-ID | <10h4bmr$3ci5f$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #78376 |
On 06/12/2025 22:28, John Levine wrote:
> Algol60 had a reference language which had boldface keywords, and every implmentation
> made its own decision about how to translate that into the local character set. (Yes,
> this made portable programming a lot harder.) So while it was typical to turn the begin
> keyword into something like 'BEGIN' it was just as valid to turn it into 'DEBUT'.
(a) The actual word in the A60 RR was "transliterate" rather than
"translate"; so I think "begin" -> "'DEBUT'" is somewhat stretching a
point. But by the time of the A68 RR, there is a whole section on what
implementations can do [RR 1.1.5 (15.4 in the A68G copy)] by way of
translations and "variants". AFAICT, "DEBUT" for "BEGIN" is a valid
variant, though a recognisable "BEGIN" must also be available. But I
could be over-reading what was intended.
(b) You're right [of course] about portability, but in 1960 that was
of limited interest. Algol was intended to express algorithms, and just
writing a compiler was hard enough. The idea was that if you wanted to
invert a matrix or do some sorting, you looked in JACM or CompJ for the
appropriate algorithm and re-wrote that in whatever language [which was
as likely to be m/c code as a HLL] was available on your computer.
(c) Anecdote: In 1966, we pranked a fellow research student who was
boasting about his forthcoming holiday in France by re-writing his Atlas
Autocode program tapes into French while he was away. Sadly, we didn't
have the authority to re-write the AA compiler to match.
--
Andy Walker, Nottingham.
Andy's music pages: www.cuboid.me.uk/andy/Music
Composer of the day: www.cuboid.me.uk/andy/Music/Composers/Bucalossi
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-16 00:00 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: polyglot programming, Recent history of vi |
| Message-ID | <10hq7ek$29cri$6@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #78398 |
On Sun, 7 Dec 2025 16:58:03 +0000, Andy Walker wrote: > (b) You're right [of course] about portability, but in 1960 that was > of limited interest. It simply wasn’t practicable back then. The Algol 60 spec ignored the whole I/O issue because it was simply too hard. A few years later, Algol 68 made a brave attempt at tackling it, at the cost of adding great complexity to the core language. Fortran had its own approach, but I’m not sure how portable that really was. It wasn’t until the coming of POSIX that we had a properly platform- independent I/O model that everybody could (be persuaded to) adopt.
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-07 00:35 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <KZ3ZQ.695$k6W8.52@fx34.iad> |
| In reply to | #78375 |
On 2025-12-06, Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> wrote:
> On 12/6/25 12:51, rbowman wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 6 Dec 2025 12:22:19 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>
>>> I think this is the best summary. In the end nearly everybody's first or
>>> second language is now [some form of] English, and I bet Chinese
>>> programmers don't type their C code in ideograms.
>>
>> I've seen C written in languages other than English. To clarify, the C key
>> words are the same, if, else, int, #include, and so forth but variable and
>> function names, comments and everything else are in Spanish, German, and
>> so forth. It's difficult to read.
>
> I've seen the same with PL/I. I understand there was once an ALGOL
> compiler where they used French keywords. Debut-Fin, etc.
This looks like a job for the C preprocesor...
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--
/~\ Charlie Gibbs | Growth for the sake of
\ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | growth is the ideology
X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | of the cancer cell.
/ \ if you read it the right way. | -- Edward Abbey
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-07 19:48 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <ioug0mxf4m.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #78377 |
On 2025-12-07 01:35, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On 2025-12-06, Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> wrote: > >> On 12/6/25 12:51, rbowman wrote: >> >>> On Sat, 6 Dec 2025 12:22:19 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>> >>>> I think this is the best summary. In the end nearly everybody's first or >>>> second language is now [some form of] English, and I bet Chinese >>>> programmers don't type their C code in ideograms. >>> >>> I've seen C written in languages other than English. To clarify, the C key >>> words are the same, if, else, int, #include, and so forth but variable and >>> function names, comments and everything else are in Spanish, German, and >>> so forth. It's difficult to read. >> >> I've seen the same with PL/I. I understand there was once an ALGOL >> compiler where they used French keywords. Debut-Fin, etc. > > This looks like a job for the C preprocesor... > ... > SayBro like, B there OB square! CheckItOut Gosh. > -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> |
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| Date | 2025-12-07 00:38 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrn10j9j40.26e27.lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> |
| In reply to | #78375 |
On 2025-12-06, Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> wrote: > I've seen the same with PL/I. I understand there was once an ALGOL > compiler where they used French keywords. Debut-Fin, etc. Ah, yes, the Grenoble Algol compiler. I encountered it in an IBM-1130 incarnation. Since this was on punched cards, they put single quotes/apostrophes around the keywords, and I think the ';' was rendered as period-comma. Quite cumbersome. Not worth the trouble to play with! (A year earlier I had been using the Danish RC GIER computer with a fill Algol-60 implementation. -- Lars Poulsen - an old geek in Santa Barbara, California
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| From | Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-07 01:31 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10h2lde$33918$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #78372 |
On 2025-12-06, rbowman wrote: > On Sat, 6 Dec 2025 12:22:19 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >> I think this is the best summary. In the end nearly everybody's first or >> second language is now [some form of] English, and I bet Chinese >> programmers don't type their C code in ideograms. > > I've seen C written in languages other than English. To clarify, the C key > words are the same, if, else, int, #include, and so forth but variable and > function names, comments and everything else are in Spanish, German, and > so forth. It's difficult to read. I imagine it gets to be a more interesting experience if, on top of that, the source code is encoded in ISO-646? -- Nuno Silva
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-07 11:18 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10h3nqp$3d46i$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #78372 |
On 06/12/2025 19:51, rbowman wrote:
> On Sat, 6 Dec 2025 12:22:19 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>> I think this is the best summary. In the end nearly everybody's first or
>> second language is now [some form of] English, and I bet Chinese
>> programmers don't type their C code in ideograms.
>
> I've seen C written in languages other than English. To clarify, the C key
> words are the same, if, else, int, #include, and so forth but variable and
> function names, comments and everything else are in Spanish, German, and
> so forth. It's difficult to read.
>
Well I purposely said Chinese ideograms. All normal alphabetical
languages that can be written in ASCII are of course fine
--
“The fundamental cause of the trouble in the modern world today is that
the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt."
- Bertrand Russell
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-12-07 18:52 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mpm0mlFi256U4@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #78392 |
On Sun, 7 Dec 2025 11:18:49 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 06/12/2025 19:51, rbowman wrote: >> On Sat, 6 Dec 2025 12:22:19 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> >>> I think this is the best summary. In the end nearly everybody's first >>> or second language is now [some form of] English, and I bet Chinese >>> programmers don't type their C code in ideograms. >> >> I've seen C written in languages other than English. To clarify, the C >> key words are the same, if, else, int, #include, and so forth but >> variable and function names, comments and everything else are in >> Spanish, German, and so forth. It's difficult to read. >> > Well I purposely said Chinese ideograms. All normal alphabetical > languages that can be written in ASCII are of course fine That technique of typing a phonetic description in western characters and selecting an ideogram from a popup would do wonders for programming efficiency.
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| From | John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> |
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| Date | 2025-12-07 19:39 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: more polyglot programming, was Recent history of vi |
| Message-ID | <10h4l65$1tv5$1@gal.iecc.com> |
| In reply to | #78411 |
According to rbowman <bowman@montana.com>: >>> I've seen C written in languages other than English. To clarify, the C >>> key words are the same, if, else, int, #include, and so forth but >>> variable and function names, comments and everything else are in >>> Spanish, German, and so forth. It's difficult to read. >>> >> Well I purposely said Chinese ideograms. All normal alphabetical >> languages that can be written in ASCII are of course fine Well, that covers English and Hawaiian. All the others use accented charactrs outside the ASCII set. >That technique of typing a phonetic description in western characters and >selecting an ideogram from a popup would do wonders for programming >efficiency. I've seen IDEs that more or less do that, but to me they seem more trouble than they're worth. -- Regards, John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-07 20:27 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: more polyglot programming, was Recent history of vi |
| Message-ID | <10h4o02$3n4no$6@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #78421 |
On 07/12/2025 19:44, Stefan Ram wrote: > John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> wrote or quoted: >> Well, that covers English and Hawaiian. All the others use accented >> charactrs outside the ASCII set. > > Well, English has > > naïve > rôle > Borrowed from other languages. Greek and French IIRC. > . Some older books might also contain "coördinate". > > -- “Some people like to travel by train because it combines the slowness of a car with the cramped public exposure of an airplane.” Dennis Miller
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| From | Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> |
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| Date | 2025-12-07 14:31 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: more polyglot programming, was Recent history of vi |
| Message-ID | <10h4rn6$3obe8$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #78421 |
On 12/7/25 12:39, John Levine wrote: > According to rbowman <bowman@montana.com>: >>>> I've seen C written in languages other than English. To clarify, the C >>>> key words are the same, if, else, int, #include, and so forth but >>>> variable and function names, comments and everything else are in >>>> Spanish, German, and so forth. It's difficult to read. >>>> >>> Well I purposely said Chinese ideograms. All normal alphabetical >>> languages that can be written in ASCII are of course fine > > Well, that covers English and Hawaiian. All the others use accented > charactrs outside the ASCII set. > >> That technique of typing a phonetic description in western characters and >> selecting an ideogram from a popup would do wonders for programming >> efficiency. Doesn't Latin-9 cover them? > > I've seen IDEs that more or less do that, but to me they seem more trouble > than they're worth.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-12-08 01:46 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: more polyglot programming, was Recent history of vi |
| Message-ID | <mpmoviFm88sU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #78421 |
On 7 Dec 2025 19:44:13 GMT, Stefan Ram wrote: > John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> wrote or quoted: >>Well, that covers English and Hawaiian. All the others use accented >>charactrs outside the ASCII set. > > Well, English has > > naïve rôle > > . Some older books might also contain "coördinate". They're getting filtered out. In the graveyard where some of my people are buried the older markers had umlauts. The second generation had the oe or other diphthongs. The third generation went to a phonetic spelling of how their names were pronounced. In high school I was surprised when the gym teacher asked how I pronounced my name. Usually that was reserved for kids named Czechnokowski but he apparently had been burned before.
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| From | Rich <rich@example.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-08 05:53 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: more polyglot programming, was Recent history of vi |
| Message-ID | <10h5p4a$3um2b$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #78447 |
In comp.os.linux.misc rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: > > In high school I was surprised when the gym teacher asked how I > pronounced my name. Usually that was reserved for kids named > Czechnokowski but he apparently had been burned before. Apparently he was unsure whether you prefered the nautical or the archery pronunciation.
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| From | Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> |
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| Date | 2025-12-07 22:25 -0800 |
| Subject | Re: more polyglot programming, was Recent history of vi |
| Message-ID | <10h5r0j$3v5q8$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #78464 |
On 12/7/25 21:53, Rich wrote: > In comp.os.linux.misc rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: >> >> In high school I was surprised when the gym teacher asked how I >> pronounced my name. Usually that was reserved for kids named >> Czechnokowski but he apparently had been burned before. > > Apparently he was unsure whether you prefered the nautical or the > archery pronunciation. > A very good point. bliss
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-12-08 08:34 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: more polyglot programming, was Recent history of vi |
| Message-ID | <mpngsjFpodjU4@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #78464 |
On Mon, 8 Dec 2025 05:53:14 -0000 (UTC), Rich wrote: > In comp.os.linux.misc rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: >> >> In high school I was surprised when the gym teacher asked how I >> pronounced my name. Usually that was reserved for kids named >> Czechnokowski but he apparently had been burned before. > > Apparently he was unsure whether you prefered the nautical or the > archery pronunciation. Yeah, we had some of each. The nauticals usually retained the au spelling. I never tried to chase the records back but I doubt the archery spelling was what it was in Germany.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-08 08:48 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: more polyglot programming, was Recent history of vi |
| Message-ID | <10h63cu$r4s$5@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #78447 |
On 08/12/2025 01:46, rbowman wrote: > On 7 Dec 2025 19:44:13 GMT, Stefan Ram wrote: > >> John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> wrote or quoted: >>> Well, that covers English and Hawaiian. All the others use accented >>> charactrs outside the ASCII set. >> >> Well, English has >> >> naïve rôle >> >> . Some older books might also contain "coördinate". > > They're getting filtered out. In the graveyard where some of my people are > buried the older markers had umlauts. The second generation had the oe or > other diphthongs. The third generation went to a phonetic spelling of how > their names were pronounced. > > In high school I was surprised when the gym teacher asked how I pronounced > my name. Usually that was reserved for kids named Czechnokowski but he > apparently had been burned before. > Ah? You might have been 'Baumann' once? -- The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule. – H. L. Mencken, American journalist, 1880-1956
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-12-08 23:43 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: more polyglot programming, was Recent history of vi |
| Message-ID | <mpp65sF3ogqU6@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #78479 |
On Mon, 8 Dec 2025 08:48:30 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > Ah? You might have been 'Baumann' once? Or Boehme, Bormann, Bachmann or a number of other names that were Americanized. My brother dipped into genealogy but didn't get too far. It appears all my ancestors left Europe and didn't look back.
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-15 23:56 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: more polyglot programming, was Recent history of vi |
| Message-ID | <10hq77v$29cri$5@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #78421 |
On 7 Dec 2025 19:44:13 GMT, Stefan Ram wrote: > Some older books might also contain "coördinate". That’s called a “diaresis”. It’s not something foreign, it’s to indicate that the two vowels form separate syllables.
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| From | Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> |
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| Date | 2025-12-07 16:31 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <slrn10jb7eb.17aag.als@mordor.angband.thangorodrim.de> |
| In reply to | #78357 |
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 05/12/2025 20:52, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
>>> I would say the problem Unicode is trying to solve, albeit with some
>>> inconsistency, is the communication of all written languages in a
>>> standardized system of encoding.
>
>> Yes. And it wasn't a small thing to solve considering the way too limited
>> ASCII was everywhere.
>
> I think this is the best summary. In the end nearly everybody's first or
> second language is now [some form of] English,
That says more about your bubble than the state of the world, to be
honest. Yes, the fraction of "speaks functional English" goes up as
one goes lower in the adult age bracket - partially due to modern online
media, but there are still plenty of people who don't speak any useful
amount of English despite being multilingual (especially in naturally
multilingual corners of the globe, of which there are quite a few).
> and I bet Chinese programmers don't type their C code in ideograms.
Maybe, but I wouldn't bet on it. I've seen enough Ehinese-only documentation
(and AFAICT, Mandarin at that) of IT related products ...
> Whilst English is possible the worst standard to adopt,
Well, English is an amazingly sloppy language, for starters. Which
admittedly makes it easier to learn initially and then one just has
to build up one's store of cultural background, slang and vernacular
because native speakers of English tend to be particularly bad about
using same (usually without even being aware of it).
> it is a de facto standard.
Don't tell that to most governments ...
Kind regards,
Alex.
--
"Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and
looks like work." -- Thomas A. Edison
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-12-07 18:49 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mpm0h0Fi256U3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #78397 |
On Sun, 7 Dec 2025 16:31:23 +0100, Alexander Schreiber wrote: > That says more about your bubble than the state of the world, to be > honest. Yes, the fraction of "speaks functional English" goes up as one > goes lower in the adult age bracket - partially due to modern online > media, but there are still plenty of people who don't speak any useful > amount of English despite being multilingual (especially in naturally > multilingual corners of the globe, of which there are quite a few). Cultural chauvinism but I've seen posts in some of the subreddits that are not in English. They don't get many replies since few can translate the question. I sometimes wonder if the poster can follow any of the threads and is too shy to attempt English or if they hope for the best. I can understand the former. I can often puzzle out German or Spanish but I wouldn't want to construct a coherent paragraph in either. Semi-apropos I was reading an essay by Herbert Spencer last night. He questioned the British educational system that taught Greek and Latin because that's what 'educated' people learned even though they had limited utility in later life. Quite a few of his observations on 19th century British quirks are relevant today.
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