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Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ?

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First post2025-11-08 02:01 -0500
Last post2025-11-09 19:08 +0000
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  Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-08 02:01 -0500
    Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Diego Garcia <dg@linux.rocks> - 2025-11-08 11:31 +0000
      Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Diego Garcia <dg@linux.rocks> - 2025-11-08 12:15 +0000
        Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-08 13:32 +0100
          Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-09 00:08 -0500
            Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-09 19:51 +0000
              Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-10 00:38 -0500
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-10 07:35 +0000
        Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-08 12:50 +0000
        Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Diego Garcia <dg@linux.rocks> - 2025-11-08 12:57 +0000
      Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-08 23:58 -0500
        Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Diego Garcia <dg@linux.rocks> - 2025-11-09 11:25 +0000
          Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-09 12:48 +0000
            Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-09 23:29 -0500
          Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-11-09 09:18 -0800
            Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Diego Garcia <dg@linux.rocks> - 2025-11-09 20:13 +0000
              Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-10 07:47 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-10 12:09 +0000
                  Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-10 20:35 +0000
                    Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-10 21:15 +0000
                      Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-10 23:33 +0000
                        Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-11 03:23 +0000
                          Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-11 01:03 -0500
                          Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-11 10:57 +0000
                            Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-11 19:36 +0000
                        Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-11 20:50 +0100
                          Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-11 23:44 +0000
                            Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-12 01:38 -0500
                              Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-12 20:44 +0000
                                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-11-12 16:38 -0800
                                  Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-13 04:29 +0000
                                    Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-13 05:07 +0000
                                      Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-13 01:09 -0500
                                    Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-13 00:42 -0500
                                  Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-13 00:37 -0500
                          Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-11 23:46 -0500
                          Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-12 05:31 +0000
                            Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-12 06:00 +0000
                              Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-12 02:08 -0500
                                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-12 10:55 +0000
                                  Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-12 23:30 -0500
                            Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-12 01:56 -0500
                            Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-12 10:54 +0000
                              Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-12 23:17 -0500
                                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-13 10:38 +0000
                            Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-12 12:20 +0100
                              Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-12 23:50 -0500
                      Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-11 03:18 +0000
                        Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-11 00:54 -0500
                          Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-11 19:28 +0000
                            Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-11 23:25 +0000
                              Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-12 04:35 +0000
                                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-12 01:49 -0500
                                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-12 10:49 +0000
                              Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-12 01:31 -0500
                                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-12 20:44 +0000
                            Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-11 23:33 -0500
                          Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-11 21:07 +0000
                            Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-12 01:21 -0500
                              Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-12 20:44 +0000
                                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-13 00:13 -0500
                                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-13 05:40 +0000
                                  Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-13 01:20 -0500
                    Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-10 23:31 +0000
                      Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-11 03:39 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-10 19:48 +0000
                  Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Diego Garcia <dg@linux.rocks> - 2025-11-10 20:35 +0000
                    Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-10 21:53 +0100
                  Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-10 20:37 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-10 23:51 -0500
                  Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-11 19:40 +0000
                    Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-11 23:01 +0000
                      Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-12 04:33 +0000
                        Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-12 12:27 +0100
                          Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-11-12 12:44 +0000
                            Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-12 14:17 +0100
                            Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-12 23:51 -0500
                              Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-13 22:38 +0100
                                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-13 21:30 -0500
                                  Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-14 04:21 +0000
                                    Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-14 07:10 +0000
                                      Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-14 02:51 -0500
                                  Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-14 07:08 +0000
                                    Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-14 13:40 +0100
                                      Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-14 16:26 +0000
                                        Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-14 19:51 +0000
                                        Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-14 19:22 -0500
                                      Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2025-11-14 17:34 +0000
                                        Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-14 19:54 +0000
                                  Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-14 13:37 +0100
                                    Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-14 16:09 -0500
                                      Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-15 02:05 +0000
                                        Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ?) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-15 09:59 +0000
                                          Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ?) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-15 17:32 +0000
                                            Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ?) ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2025-11-15 18:48 +0000
                                              Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ?) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-15 21:38 +0000
                                                Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose?) Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2025-11-15 22:07 +0000
                                                  Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose?) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-15 22:21 +0000
                                                    Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose?) Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2025-11-15 23:14 +0000
                                                      Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose?) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-16 00:29 +0000
                                                        Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose?) Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2025-11-16 00:43 +0000
                                                          Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose?) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-16 00:45 +0000
                                                          Re: Recent history of vi Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-11-16 09:14 +0000
                                                            Re: Recent history of vi mechanicjay@sol.smbfc.net (Mechanicjay) - 2025-11-16 15:40 +0000
                                                              Re: Recent history of vi Joe Makowiec <makowiec@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-16 18:38 +0000
                                                                Re: Recent history of vi mechanicjay@sol.smbfc.net (Mechanicjay) - 2025-11-18 03:55 +0000
                                                                  Re: Recent history of vi Joe Makowiec <makowiec@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-19 13:11 +0000
                                                                    Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-19 20:12 +0000
                                                            Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-16 19:10 +0000
                                                            Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-16 21:01 +0000
                                                  Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose?) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-16 03:43 +0000
                                                  Re: Recent history of vi Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-11-16 09:35 -0500
                                                    Re: Recent history of vi mechanicjay@sol.smbfc.net (Mechanicjay) - 2025-11-16 15:47 +0000
                                                Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ?) ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2025-11-16 05:15 +0000
                                                  Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ?) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-16 19:31 +0000
                                                    Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ?) ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2025-11-16 20:27 +0000
                                                      Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-16 20:30 +0000
                                                        Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-16 21:04 +0000
                                                        Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-17 04:08 +0000
                                                          Re: Recent history of vi Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-11-17 11:39 -0500
                                                Re: Recent history of vi Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-11-16 09:31 -0500
                                                  Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-16 19:03 +0000
                                                  Re: Recent history of vi Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2025-11-17 02:32 +0000
                                              Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ?) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-15 21:51 +0000
                                                Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ?) ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2025-11-16 05:11 +0000
                                                  Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ?) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-16 05:13 +0000
                                                    Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ?) Ian <${send-direct-email-to-news1021-at-jusme-dot-com-if-you-must}@jusme.com> - 2025-11-16 12:15 +0000
                                                      Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ?) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-16 19:24 +0000
                                                        Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ?) Ian <${send-direct-email-to-news1021-at-jusme-dot-com-if-you-must}@jusme.com> - 2025-11-17 08:24 +0000
                                                          Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ?) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-17 19:57 +0000
                                                            Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ?) Ian <${send-direct-email-to-news1021-at-jusme-dot-com-if-you-must}@jusme.com> - 2025-11-18 08:02 +0000
                                                              Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-18 12:09 +0000
                                                      Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ?) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-16 20:56 +0000
                                                        Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ?) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-17 04:01 +0000
                                                        Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ?) Ian <${send-direct-email-to-news1021-at-jusme-dot-com-if-you-must}@jusme.com> - 2025-11-17 08:27 +0000
                                                  Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-16 10:33 +0000
                                                    Re: Recent history of vi Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-11-16 09:49 -0500
                                                      Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-16 19:28 +0000
                                                        Re: Recent history of vi ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2025-11-16 20:19 +0000
                                                          Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-16 20:59 +0000
                                                            Re: Recent history of vi ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2025-11-16 21:04 +0000
                                                              Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-16 21:19 +0000
                                                                Re: Recent history of vi ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2025-11-16 21:23 +0000
                                                            Re: Recent history of vi Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-16 23:13 +0000
                                                              Re: Recent history of vi ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2025-11-16 23:18 +0000
                                                                Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-17 00:43 +0000
                                                                  Re: Recent history of vi Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-11-21 19:55 +0000
                                                                    Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-21 20:27 +0000
                                                                      Re: Recent history of vi Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2025-11-22 03:20 +0000
                                                                        Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-22 05:57 +0000
                                                              Re: Recent history of vi Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2025-11-16 23:51 +0000
                                                            Re: Recent history of vi Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2025-11-18 20:04 +0100
                                                              Re: Recent history of vi Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2025-11-18 20:29 +0000
                                                                Re: Recent history of vi Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-19 08:24 +0000
                                                                Re: Recent history of vi Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-11-21 19:58 +0000
                                                                  Re: Recent history of vi Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2025-11-21 21:14 +0000
                                                                    ISO 8859-1, ISO 8859-15 and their names (was: Re: Recent history of vi) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-21 23:20 +0000
                                                                  Re: Recent history of vi Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-11-21 19:10 -0700
                                                                    Re: Recent history of vi Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-11-22 10:23 +0000
                                                                Re: Recent history of vi Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2025-11-22 17:55 +0100
                                                                  Re: Recent history of vi Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-11-22 19:20 +0100
                                                                    Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-22 21:43 +0000
                                                                      Re: Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-23 00:23 +0100
                                                                        Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-23 02:17 +0000
                                                                          Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-23 09:42 +0000
                                                                          Re: Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-23 14:59 +0100
                                                                            Re: Recent history of vi Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-11-23 13:09 -0800
                                                                              Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-23 22:57 +0000
                                                                        Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-23 02:56 +0000
                                                                        Re: Recent history of vi Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-11-22 20:18 -0700
                                                                        Re: typing in the mysterious East, Recent history of vi John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-11-24 01:45 +0000
                                                                          Re: typing in the mysterious East, Recent history of vi Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-11-23 18:06 -0800
                                                                            Re: typing in the mysterious East, Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-24 02:13 +0000
                                                                            Re: typing in the mysterious East, Recent history of vi John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-11-24 02:23 +0000
                                                                    Re: Recent history of vi Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2025-11-27 19:55 +0100
                                                                      Re: Recent history of vi Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-11-28 22:08 +0100
                                                                  Re: Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-22 20:25 +0100
                                                                    Re: Recent history of vi Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2025-11-27 20:02 +0100
                                                                      Re: Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-27 20:16 +0100
                                                                        Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-27 21:18 +0000
                                                              Re: Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-19 02:37 +0100
                                                                ISO 8859-1 ("Latin 1") (was: Recent history of vi) Michael Bäuerle <michael.baeuerle@stz-e.de> - 2025-11-19 14:58 +0100
                                                                  Re: ISO 8859-1 ("Latin 1") (was: Recent history of vi) Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2025-11-20 02:09 +0000
                                                                    Re: ISO 8859-1 ("Latin 1") Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-11-19 20:16 -0700
                                                                      Re: ISO 8859-1 ("Latin 1") Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-20 08:47 +0000
                                                                        Re: ISO 8859-1 ("Latin 1") The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-20 11:10 +0000
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                                                                  Re: Recent history of vi antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-11-23 16:25 +0000
                                                                    Re: Recent history of vi Eric Pozharski <apple.universe@posteo.net> - 2025-11-25 10:26 +0000
                                                                      Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-25 20:05 +0000
                                                                        Re: Recent history of vi c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-25 23:04 -0500
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                                                              Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-23 20:11 +0000
                                                      Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-16 20:26 +0000
                                                        Re: Recent history of vi Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-11-17 11:44 -0500
                                                    Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-16 20:57 +0000
                                            Re: Recent history of vi antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-11-15 19:52 +0000
                                              Re: Recent history of vi Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-11-16 09:50 -0500
                                                Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-16 18:56 +0000
                                                  Re: Recent history of vi Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-11-17 11:24 -0500
                                            Re: Recent history of vi Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-16 00:43 +0000
                                              Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-16 03:20 +0000
                                              Re: Recent history of vi Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-16 16:14 +0000
                                              Re: Recent history of vi scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-11-17 19:39 +0000
                      Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-12 01:24 -0500
                        Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-12 19:41 +0000
                          Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-13 00:00 -0500
                            Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-13 10:56 +0000
                              Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-13 21:25 -0500
                                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-14 04:21 +0000
                                  Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-13 23:40 -0500
                                    Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-14 07:05 +0000
                                      Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-14 02:48 -0500
                                        Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-11-16 03:53 +0000
                                  Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-14 13:45 +0100
                                    Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-14 19:29 +0000
                                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-14 10:22 +0000
                                  Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-11-14 10:35 +0000
                                    Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-14 15:55 -0500
                                      Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-15 02:07 +0000
                                  Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-14 15:47 -0500
                    Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-11 23:36 -0500
                      Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-12 20:04 +0000
              Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-10 08:57 +0100
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-10 08:13 +0000
                  Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-10 20:50 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-10 21:01 +0000
                  Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-10 22:40 +0100
                    Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-10 23:14 +0100
                    Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-10 22:21 +0000
                      Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-11 00:21 +0000
                        Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-11 00:43 -0500
                      Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-11-11 00:35 +0000
                        Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-11 01:40 +0000
                          Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-11 00:48 -0500
                            Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-11-11 08:53 +0000
                              Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Farley Flud <fsquared@fsquared.linux> - 2025-11-11 11:42 +0000
                                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-11 23:25 -0500
                              Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-11 23:21 -0500
                            Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-11 19:56 +0000
                          Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-11-11 08:38 +0000
                            Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-11 19:43 +0000
                              Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-11 23:43 -0500
                                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-12 10:50 +0000
                                  Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-12 23:11 -0500
                                    Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-13 10:24 +0000
                              Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-11-12 16:22 +0000
                        Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-11 10:59 +0000
                  Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2025-11-11 17:14 +0000
                    Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-11 23:28 -0500
                      Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-12 10:48 +0000
                        Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2025-11-12 11:20 +0000
                          Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-12 23:31 -0500
                        Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-12 23:08 -0500
                          Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-13 10:22 +0000
              Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-10 09:05 +0000
            Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-10 00:29 -0500
              Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Farley Flud <fsquared@fsquared.linux> - 2025-11-10 11:56 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-10 22:23 +0000
                  Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Diego Garcia <dg@linux.rocks> - 2025-11-10 22:38 +0000
                    Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-11-11 00:07 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-13 16:48 +0000
            Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-10 18:04 +0000
            Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2025-11-11 16:52 +0000
              Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Diego Garcia <dg@linux.rocks> - 2025-11-11 20:06 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2025-11-11 23:09 +0000
                  Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-11 23:31 +0000
                    Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-12 04:50 +0000
                    Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2025-11-12 06:50 +0000
                      Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-12 20:05 +0000
                        Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-15 17:17 +0000
                    Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-12 12:35 +0100
                      Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-11-12 21:09 +0000
                        Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-13 00:22 -0500
                    Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-11-12 21:06 +0000
                  Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-12 01:30 -0500
          Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-09 19:28 +0000
            Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-10 00:36 -0500
              Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-10 07:46 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-10 23:22 -0500
                  Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-11 20:16 +0000
                    Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-12 00:08 -0500
                      Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-12 19:58 +0000
                    Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2025-11-12 07:21 +0000
                      Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-12 02:26 -0500
                        Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2025-11-12 08:35 +0000
                          Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-12 20:29 +0000
                          Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-12 23:07 -0500
                            Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-13 04:59 +0000
                              Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-13 00:57 -0500
                            Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-13 10:19 +0000
                              Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-13 20:16 +0000
                              Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-13 21:17 -0500
                            Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-14 01:54 +0100
                              Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-13 21:33 -0500
                                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-14 14:04 +0100
                                  Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-14 16:27 -0500
                                    Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-14 22:44 +0100
                              Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-11-14 13:24 +0000
                                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-14 17:03 -0500
                        Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-12 20:10 +0000
                  Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-11 21:07 +0000
                    Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-12 00:56 -0500
    Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-08 13:28 +0100
      Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-08 12:45 +0000
        Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-08 14:35 +0100
      Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-08 22:15 +0000
        Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-09 00:28 -0500
    Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-08 20:29 +0000
      Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2025-11-09 01:11 +0000
        Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-09 02:37 +0000
          Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-09 09:11 +0000
            Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-09 19:08 +0000

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#77464

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2025-11-13 10:19 +0000
Message-ID<10f4bbf$22lg1$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#77442
On 13/11/2025 04:07, c186282 wrote:
> Govt-collected weather data - We The People have ALREADY
>    paid for it. We should be able to GET it without issues.

Indeed. And flood and river level data...but all we get is a bunch of 
numpties with a big map colored red ... 'danger of flooding severe'...

Do they think we are idiots?

Yes, they do. On all sides of politics.


-- 
"In our post-modern world, climate science is not powerful because it is 
true: it is true because it is powerful."

Lucas Bergkamp

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#77499

FromLawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2025-11-13 20:16 +0000
Message-ID<10f5eb9$2crs6$5@dont-email.me>
In reply to#77464
On Thu, 13 Nov 2025 10:19:27 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 13/11/2025 04:07, c186282 wrote:
>>
>> Govt-collected weather data - We The People have ALREADY   paid for
>>  it. We should be able to GET it without issues.
>
> Indeed. And flood and river level data...but all we get is a bunch
> of numpties with a big map colored red ... 'danger of flooding
> severe'...

Our local Government gives us this
<https://maps.hamilton.govt.nz/floodviewer/>.

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#77505

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2025-11-13 21:17 -0500
Message-ID<KX-dnSCOMLGyDIv0nZ2dnZfqn_WdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#77464
On 11/13/25 05:19, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 13/11/2025 04:07, c186282 wrote:
>> Govt-collected weather data - We The People have ALREADY
>>    paid for it. We should be able to GET it without issues.
> 
> Indeed. And flood and river level data...but all we get is a bunch of 
> numpties with a big map colored red ... 'danger of flooding severe'...
> 
> Do they think we are idiots?
> 
> Yes, they do. On all sides of politics.
> 
> 

   Did spend a couple of hours today looking for
   alternate weather and radar sites. Found
   few good ones.

   In the USA, the NOAA and NWS do have 'less complex'
   pages, a couple that still have radar gif loops.
   Also found a commercial-ish site that pops up a
   new .png every five minutes - roll yer own loop
   with a little daemon.

   Going thru a number of aviation sites did find
   a couple of pages easier to parse than the one
   I've been using - one even has a 24 hour table.

   The 'main' NWS radar site alas is deep in JS and
   css and despite looking thru a lot of the code
   cannot discern where it gets its raw data or
   even if Joe Average can get there.

   My weather-show apps (PIs) already have the
   code to resize, reorient, even re-color,
   images extracted from GIFs - and the extracts
   get put into five ordinary .jpg files that
   then get played in order. So, not TOO evil
   to switch sources. Just hope it won't be
   necessary anytime soon.

   But "24-Hour-Conditions.csv" - those seem to
   be long gone. The public stuff is all about
   LOOKS now, pretty pretty pages with a zillion
   little buttons and drag capability and such.

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#77504

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2025-11-14 01:54 +0100
Message-ID<o7biulx6bn.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#77442
On 2025-11-13 05:07, c186282 wrote:
> On 11/12/25 03:35, vallor wrote:
>> At Wed, 12 Nov 2025 02:26:11 -0500, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On 11/12/25 02:21, vallor wrote:
>>>> At 11 Nov 2025 20:16:41 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 10 Nov 2025 23:22:22 -0500, c186282 wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11/10/25 02:46, rbowman wrote:
>>>>>>> On Mon, 10 Nov 2025 00:36:58 -0500, c186282 wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 11/9/25 14:28, rbowman wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 09 Nov 2025 11:25:36 +0000, Diego Garcia wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Try to predict the weather using Python.  You'll be getting
>>>>>>>>>> tomorrows forecast next week, or even next month.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> How about in a second or two?  The starting point is
>>>>>>>>>         url = f"https://api.weather.gov/points/{latitude}, 
>>>>>>>>> {longitude}"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>       Keep getting "invalid point"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Try
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://api.weather.gov/points/42.934,-90.567
>>>>>>
>>>>>>      That works ... but change the coords a bit and it won't. 
>>>>>> Seems it
>>>>>>      only knows a handful of locations.
>>>>>
>>>>> I picked that at random.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://api.weather.gov/points/36.934,-72.567
>>>>> Chincoteague, VA
>>>>>
>>>>> https://api.weather.gov/points/40.934,-94.567
>>>>> Lenox, IA
>>>>>
>>>>> https://api.weather.gov/points/36.934,-84.567
>>>>> Burnside KY
>>>>>
>>>>> https://api.weather.gov/points/58.114,-134.666
>>>>> Juneau, AK
>>>>>
>>>>> https://api.weather.gov/points/38.114,-134.666
>>>>> no data, but it's 886 km off the coast of northern California.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://api.weather.gov/points/19.66,-156.012
>>>>> Kailua, HI
>>>>>
>>>>> You do have to pick points in the US.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://api.weather.gov/points/51.130,-114.218
>>>>> is Calgary AB and no data.
>>>>
>>>> This is pretty slick.  I was able to grab the local weather
>>>> forecast.  It even includes icons for the weather.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you for posting about it.
>>>
>>>     All I get are pages of links to links to links ...
>>>
>>>     And 'icons' are NOT what I'm looking for - I want
>>>     comma/tab-delimited tables which automation can
>>>     easily get/process.
>>
>> Well, I think JSON is easier to handle in programs, but you can use
>> jq(1) to create a CSV.
>>
>> For instance, if you've grabbed the forecast link, try:
>>
>> jq -r '.properties.periods[] | [.name, .detailedForecast] | @csv' 
>> forecast
>>
>> (By default, wget will save your file as "forecast").
>>
>> (And thank you for your commentary, without which I wouldn't have
>> gone and learned more about jq.)
> 
>    I am privileged to have been your inspiration !  :-)
> 
>    Alas a LOT of current weather shit isn't even in JSON
>    format ... it's assembled ad-hoc from hidden files
>    and tables into JS-created pages. This MAY be just
>    the 'new guys' at work - or an actual conspiracy to
>    HIDE the data behind layers and layers so somebody
>    will have to register/PAY.
> 
>    SOMETIMES you can get the JS and follow the links.
>    Sometimes not. Even thus, the links seem to CHANGE
>    fairly often. Not good for automated stuff.
> 
>    Anyway, I'm looking for fairly straight-up solutions
>    that don't require 10,000 lines of code.
> 
>    Govt-collected weather data - We The People have ALREADY
>    paid for it. We should be able to GET it without issues.
> 
curl v2.wttr.in

gets you some weather info. I have in my machine "metar" from 2006, but 
it no longer runs, it was compiled for 32 bits.

Chatgpt suggested these:



     wego — nice TUI weather client written in Go

     ansiweather — weather in your terminal using ANSI colors

     weather-util — classic simple tool (weather command)

     curl v2.wttr.in — alternative minimal text version

     metar — shows aviation METAR weather reports


-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#77508

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2025-11-13 21:33 -0500
Message-ID<7o2dnTVBfZNmCYv0nZ2dnZfqnPGdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#77504
On 11/13/25 19:54, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2025-11-13 05:07, c186282 wrote:
>> On 11/12/25 03:35, vallor wrote:
>>> At Wed, 12 Nov 2025 02:26:11 -0500, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 11/12/25 02:21, vallor wrote:
>>>>> At 11 Nov 2025 20:16:41 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, 10 Nov 2025 23:22:22 -0500, c186282 wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 11/10/25 02:46, rbowman wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 10 Nov 2025 00:36:58 -0500, c186282 wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 11/9/25 14:28, rbowman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 09 Nov 2025 11:25:36 +0000, Diego Garcia wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Try to predict the weather using Python.  You'll be getting
>>>>>>>>>>> tomorrows forecast next week, or even next month.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> How about in a second or two?  The starting point is
>>>>>>>>>>         url = f"https://api.weather.gov/points/{latitude}, 
>>>>>>>>>> {longitude}"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>       Keep getting "invalid point"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Try
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://api.weather.gov/points/42.934,-90.567
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>      That works ... but change the coords a bit and it won't. 
>>>>>>> Seems it
>>>>>>>      only knows a handful of locations.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I picked that at random.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://api.weather.gov/points/36.934,-72.567
>>>>>> Chincoteague, VA
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://api.weather.gov/points/40.934,-94.567
>>>>>> Lenox, IA
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://api.weather.gov/points/36.934,-84.567
>>>>>> Burnside KY
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://api.weather.gov/points/58.114,-134.666
>>>>>> Juneau, AK
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://api.weather.gov/points/38.114,-134.666
>>>>>> no data, but it's 886 km off the coast of northern California.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://api.weather.gov/points/19.66,-156.012
>>>>>> Kailua, HI
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You do have to pick points in the US.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://api.weather.gov/points/51.130,-114.218
>>>>>> is Calgary AB and no data.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is pretty slick.  I was able to grab the local weather
>>>>> forecast.  It even includes icons for the weather.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you for posting about it.
>>>>
>>>>     All I get are pages of links to links to links ...
>>>>
>>>>     And 'icons' are NOT what I'm looking for - I want
>>>>     comma/tab-delimited tables which automation can
>>>>     easily get/process.
>>>
>>> Well, I think JSON is easier to handle in programs, but you can use
>>> jq(1) to create a CSV.
>>>
>>> For instance, if you've grabbed the forecast link, try:
>>>
>>> jq -r '.properties.periods[] | [.name, .detailedForecast] | @csv' 
>>> forecast
>>>
>>> (By default, wget will save your file as "forecast").
>>>
>>> (And thank you for your commentary, without which I wouldn't have
>>> gone and learned more about jq.)
>>
>>    I am privileged to have been your inspiration !  :-)
>>
>>    Alas a LOT of current weather shit isn't even in JSON
>>    format ... it's assembled ad-hoc from hidden files
>>    and tables into JS-created pages. This MAY be just
>>    the 'new guys' at work - or an actual conspiracy to
>>    HIDE the data behind layers and layers so somebody
>>    will have to register/PAY.
>>
>>    SOMETIMES you can get the JS and follow the links.
>>    Sometimes not. Even thus, the links seem to CHANGE
>>    fairly often. Not good for automated stuff.
>>
>>    Anyway, I'm looking for fairly straight-up solutions
>>    that don't require 10,000 lines of code.
>>
>>    Govt-collected weather data - We The People have ALREADY
>>    paid for it. We should be able to GET it without issues.
>>
> curl v2.wttr.in
> 
> gets you some weather info. I have in my machine "metar" from 2006, but 
> it no longer runs, it was compiled for 32 bits.
> 
> Chatgpt suggested these:
> 
> 
> 
>      wego — nice TUI weather client written in Go
> 
>      ansiweather — weather in your terminal using ANSI colors
> 
>      weather-util — classic simple tool (weather command)
> 
>      curl v2.wttr.in — alternative minimal text version
> 
>      metar — shows aviation METAR weather reports

   Did a lot of searching today and DID find some
   alternative sites - GIF loops, PNGs updated every
   five minutes, data pages with minimal BS that are
   fairly easy to parse. But good old .csv or .tsv
   tables ... nope. Long gone.

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#77522

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2025-11-14 14:04 +0100
Message-ID<4vljulxf0c.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#77508
Read with line wrap disabled. See below.

On 2025-11-14 03:33, c186282 wrote:
> On 11/13/25 19:54, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> On 2025-11-13 05:07, c186282 wrote:


>>>    Anyway, I'm looking for fairly straight-up solutions
>>>    that don't require 10,000 lines of code.
>>>
>>>    Govt-collected weather data - We The People have ALREADY
>>>    paid for it. We should be able to GET it without issues.
>>>
>> curl v2.wttr.in
>>
>> gets you some weather info. I have in my machine "metar" from 2006, 
>> but it no longer runs, it was compiled for 32 bits.
>>
>> Chatgpt suggested these:
>>
>>
>>
>>      wego — nice TUI weather client written in Go
>>
>>      ansiweather — weather in your terminal using ANSI colors
>>
>>      weather-util — classic simple tool (weather command)
>>
>>      curl v2.wttr.in — alternative minimal text version
>>
>>      metar — shows aviation METAR weather reports
> 
>    Did a lot of searching today and DID find some
>    alternative sites - GIF loops, PNGs updated every
>    five minutes, data pages with minimal BS that are
>    fairly easy to parse. But good old .csv or .tsv
>    tables ... nope. Long gone.

Have a look at https://v2.wttr.in/, the page is simple.	


https://github.com/chubin/wttr.in

«wttr.in — the right way to -check- curl the weather!

wttr.in is a console-oriented weather forecast service that supports various information representation methods like terminal-oriented ANSI-sequences for console HTTP clients (curl, httpie, or wget), HTML for web browsers, or PNG for graphical viewers.

Originally started as a small project, a wrapper for wego, intended to demonstrate the power of the console-oriented services, wttr.in became a popular weather reporting service, handling tens of millions¹ of queries daily.

You can see it running here: wttr.in.»



Query your city name:

curl wttr.in/Madrid

cer@Telcontar:~> curl wttr.in/Madrid
Weather report: Madrid

        .-.      Light drizzle
       (   ).    +13(11) °C
      (___(__)   ↑ 28 km/h
       ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘   10 km
      ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘    0.4 mm
                                                        ┌─────────────┐
┌──────────────────────────────┬───────────────────────┤  Fri 14 Nov ├───────────────────────┬──────────────────────────────┐
│            Morning           │             Noon      └──────┬──────┘     Evening           │             Night            │
├──────────────────────────────┼──────────────────────────────┼──────────────────────────────┼──────────────────────────────┤
│  _`/"".-.     Patchy rain ne…│  _`/"".-.     Patchy rain ne…│  _`/"".-.     Light rain sho…│  _`/"".-.     Patchy rain ne…│
│   ,\_(   ).   +12(10) °C     │   ,\_(   ).   +14(13) °C     │   ,\_(   ).   +13(11) °C     │   ,\_(   ).   +11(8) °C      │
│    /(___(__)  ↗ 17-23 km/h   │    /(___(__)  ↑ 23-27 km/h   │    /(___(__)  ↑ 26-36 km/h   │    /(___(__)  ↗ 35-50 km/h   │
│      ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘  10 km          │      ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘  10 km          │      ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘  10 km          │      ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘  10 km          │
│     ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘   0.0 mm | 84%   │     ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘   0.0 mm | 63%   │     ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘   0.8 mm | 100%  │     ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘   0.1 mm | 100%  │
└──────────────────────────────┴──────────────────────────────┴──────────────────────────────┴──────────────────────────────┘
                                                        ┌─────────────┐
┌──────────────────────────────┬───────────────────────┤  Sat 15 Nov ├───────────────────────┬──────────────────────────────┐
│            Morning           │             Noon      └──────┬──────┘     Evening           │             Night            │
├──────────────────────────────┼──────────────────────────────┼──────────────────────────────┼──────────────────────────────┤
│               Overcast       │  _`/"".-.     Patchy rain ne…│      .-.      Moderate rain  │     \   /     Clear          │
│      .--.     +11(9) °C      │   ,\_(   ).   +13(11) °C     │     (   ).    +11(9) °C      │      .-.      +12(10) °C     │
│   .-(    ).   ↑ 19-26 km/h   │    /(___(__)  ↑ 19-22 km/h   │    (___(__)   ← 16-22 km/h   │   ― (   ) ―   ↗ 19-27 km/h   │
│  (___.__)__)  10 km          │      ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘  10 km          │   ‚‘‚‘‚‘‚‘    7 km           │      `-’      10 km          │
│               0.0 mm | 0%    │     ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘   0.1 mm | 100%  │   ‚’‚’‚’‚’    2.5 mm | 100%  │     /   \     0.0 mm | 0%    │
└──────────────────────────────┴──────────────────────────────┴──────────────────────────────┴──────────────────────────────┘
                                                        ┌─────────────┐
┌──────────────────────────────┬───────────────────────┤  Sun 16 Nov ├───────────────────────┬──────────────────────────────┐
│            Morning           │             Noon      └──────┬──────┘     Evening           │             Night            │
├──────────────────────────────┼──────────────────────────────┼──────────────────────────────┼──────────────────────────────┤
│               Cloudy         │  _`/"".-.     Patchy rain ne…│  _`/"".-.     Patchy rain ne…│  _`/"".-.     Patchy rain ne…│
│      .--.     +10(8) °C      │   ,\_(   ).   +12(11) °C     │   ,\_(   ).   +11(10) °C     │   ,\_(   ).   10 °C          │
│   .-(    ).   ↗ 12-16 km/h   │    /(___(__)  ↗ 13-15 km/h   │    /(___(__)  ↗ 12-17 km/h   │    /(___(__)  ↗ 4-7 km/h     │
│  (___.__)__)  10 km          │      ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘  10 km          │      ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘  10 km          │      ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘  10 km          │
│               0.0 mm | 0%    │     ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘   0.0 mm | 74%   │     ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘   0.0 mm | 67%   │     ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘   0.0 mm | 86%   │
└──────────────────────────────┴──────────────────────────────┴──────────────────────────────┴──────────────────────────────┘
Location: Madrid, Área metropolitana de Madrid y Corredor del Henares, Comunidad de Madrid, España [40.4167047,-3.7035824]

Follow @igor_chubin for wttr.in updates


You can probably look at the source code and find out how they obtain the data.
Or:

«Supported output formats and views

wttr.in currently supports five output formats:

     ANSI for the terminal;
     Plain-text for the terminal and scripts;
     HTML for the browser;
     PNG for the graphical viewers;
     JSON for scripts and APIs;
     Prometheus metrics for scripts and APIs.»


-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#77554

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2025-11-14 16:27 -0500
Message-ID<O8SdndLJcaZZA4r0nZ2dnZfqn_GdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#77522
On 11/14/25 08:04, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> 
> Read with line wrap disabled. See below.
> 
> On 2025-11-14 03:33, c186282 wrote:
>> On 11/13/25 19:54, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>> On 2025-11-13 05:07, c186282 wrote:
> 
> 
>>>>    Anyway, I'm looking for fairly straight-up solutions
>>>>    that don't require 10,000 lines of code.
>>>>
>>>>    Govt-collected weather data - We The People have ALREADY
>>>>    paid for it. We should be able to GET it without issues.
>>>>
>>> curl v2.wttr.in
>>>
>>> gets you some weather info. I have in my machine "metar" from 2006, 
>>> but it no longer runs, it was compiled for 32 bits.
>>>
>>> Chatgpt suggested these:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>      wego — nice TUI weather client written in Go
>>>
>>>      ansiweather — weather in your terminal using ANSI colors
>>>
>>>      weather-util — classic simple tool (weather command)
>>>
>>>      curl v2.wttr.in — alternative minimal text version
>>>
>>>      metar — shows aviation METAR weather reports
>>
>>    Did a lot of searching today and DID find some
>>    alternative sites - GIF loops, PNGs updated every
>>    five minutes, data pages with minimal BS that are
>>    fairly easy to parse. But good old .csv or .tsv
>>    tables ... nope. Long gone.
> 
> Have a look at https://v2.wttr.in/, the page is simple.
> 
> 
> https://github.com/chubin/wttr.in
> 
> «wttr.in — the right way to -check- curl the weather!
> 
> wttr.in is a console-oriented weather forecast service that supports 
> various information representation methods like terminal-oriented ANSI- 
> sequences for console HTTP clients (curl, httpie, or wget), HTML for web 
> browsers, or PNG for graphical viewers.


   They'd work fair, IF you can steer it to city near you.
   Still not .csv alas  :-)


> Originally started as a small project, a wrapper for wego, intended to 
> demonstrate the power of the console-oriented services, wttr.in became a 
> popular weather reporting service, handling tens of millions¹ of queries 
> daily.
> 
> You can see it running here: wttr.in.»
> 
> 
> 
> Query your city name:
> 
> curl wttr.in/Madrid
> 
> cer@Telcontar:~> curl wttr.in/Madrid
> Weather report: Madrid
> 
>         .-.      Light drizzle
>        (   ).    +13(11) °C
>       (___(__)   ↑ 28 km/h
>        ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘   10 km
>       ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘    0.4 mm
>                                                         ┌─────────────┐
> ┌──────────────────────────────┬───────────────────────┤  Fri 14 Nov 
> ├───────────────────────┬──────────────────────────────┐
> │            Morning           │             Noon      
> └──────┬──────┘     Evening           │             Night            │
> ├──────────────────────────────┼──────────────────────────────┼──────────────────────────────┼──────────────────────────────┤
> │  _`/"".-.     Patchy rain ne…│  _`/"".-.     Patchy rain ne…│  
> _`/"".-.     Light rain sho…│  _`/"".-.     Patchy rain ne…│
> │   ,\_(   ).   +12(10) °C     │   ,\_(   ).   +14(13) °C     │   , 
> \_(   ).   +13(11) °C     │   ,\_(   ).   +11(8) °C      │
> │    /(___(__)  ↗ 17-23 km/h   │    /(___(__)  ↑ 23-27 km/h   │    / 
> (___(__)  ↑ 26-36 km/h   │    /(___(__)  ↗ 35-50 km/h   │
> │      ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘  10 km          │      ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘  10 km          │      ‘ ‘ 
> ‘ ‘  10 km          │      ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘  10 km          │
> │     ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘   0.0 mm | 84%   │     ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘   0.0 mm | 63%   │     ‘ ‘ 
> ‘ ‘   0.8 mm | 100%  │     ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘   0.1 mm | 100%  │
> └──────────────────────────────┴──────────────────────────────┴──────────────────────────────┴──────────────────────────────┘
>                                                         ┌─────────────┐
> ┌──────────────────────────────┬───────────────────────┤  Sat 15 Nov 
> ├───────────────────────┬──────────────────────────────┐
> │            Morning           │             Noon      
> └──────┬──────┘     Evening           │             Night            │
> ├──────────────────────────────┼──────────────────────────────┼──────────────────────────────┼──────────────────────────────┤
> │               Overcast       │  _`/"".-.     Patchy rain ne… 
> │      .-.      Moderate rain  │     \   /     Clear          │
> │      .--.     +11(9) °C      │   ,\_(   ).   +13(11) °C     │     
> (   ).    +11(9) °C      │      .-.      +12(10) °C     │
> │   .-(    ).   ↑ 19-26 km/h   │    /(___(__)  ↑ 19-22 km/h   │    
> (___(__)   ← 16-22 km/h   │   ― (   ) ―   ↗ 19-27 km/h   │
> │  (___.__)__)  10 km          │      ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘  10 km          │   
> ‚‘‚‘‚‘‚‘    7 km           │      `-’      10 km          │
> │               0.0 mm | 0%    │     ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘   0.1 mm | 100%  │   
> ‚’‚’‚’‚’    2.5 mm | 100%  │     /   \     0.0 mm | 0%    │
> └──────────────────────────────┴──────────────────────────────┴──────────────────────────────┴──────────────────────────────┘
>                                                         ┌─────────────┐
> ┌──────────────────────────────┬───────────────────────┤  Sun 16 Nov 
> ├───────────────────────┬──────────────────────────────┐
> │            Morning           │             Noon      
> └──────┬──────┘     Evening           │             Night            │
> ├──────────────────────────────┼──────────────────────────────┼──────────────────────────────┼──────────────────────────────┤
> │               Cloudy         │  _`/"".-.     Patchy rain ne…│  
> _`/"".-.     Patchy rain ne…│  _`/"".-.     Patchy rain ne…│
> │      .--.     +10(8) °C      │   ,\_(   ).   +12(11) °C     │   , 
> \_(   ).   +11(10) °C     │   ,\_(   ).   10 °C          │
> │   .-(    ).   ↗ 12-16 km/h   │    /(___(__)  ↗ 13-15 km/h   │    / 
> (___(__)  ↗ 12-17 km/h   │    /(___(__)  ↗ 4-7 km/h     │
> │  (___.__)__)  10 km          │      ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘  10 km          │      ‘ ‘ 
> ‘ ‘  10 km          │      ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘  10 km          │
> │               0.0 mm | 0%    │     ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘   0.0 mm | 74%   │     ‘ ‘ 
> ‘ ‘   0.0 mm | 67%   │     ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘   0.0 mm | 86%   │
> └──────────────────────────────┴──────────────────────────────┴──────────────────────────────┴──────────────────────────────┘
> Location: Madrid, Área metropolitana de Madrid y Corredor del Henares, 
> Comunidad de Madrid, España [40.4167047,-3.7035824]
> 
> Follow @igor_chubin for wttr.in updates
> 
> 
> You can probably look at the source code and find out how they obtain 
> the data.


   Kind of looks like the data comes from his Twitter acct ... there
   is an encoded link ref probably unique to each city.



> Or:
> 
> «Supported output formats and views
> 
> wttr.in currently supports five output formats:
> 
>      ANSI for the terminal;
>      Plain-text for the terminal and scripts;
>      HTML for the browser;
>      PNG for the graphical viewers;
>      JSON for scripts and APIs;
>      Prometheus metrics for scripts and APIs.»
> 
> 

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#77555

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2025-11-14 22:44 +0100
Message-ID<pfkkulxkn5.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#77554
On 2025-11-14 22:27, c186282 wrote:
> On 11/14/25 08:04, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>
>> Read with line wrap disabled. See below.
>>
>> On 2025-11-14 03:33, c186282 wrote:
>>> On 11/13/25 19:54, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>> On 2025-11-13 05:07, c186282 wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>>    Anyway, I'm looking for fairly straight-up solutions
>>>>>    that don't require 10,000 lines of code.
>>>>>
>>>>>    Govt-collected weather data - We The People have ALREADY
>>>>>    paid for it. We should be able to GET it without issues.
>>>>>
>>>> curl v2.wttr.in
>>>>
>>>> gets you some weather info. I have in my machine "metar" from 2006, 
>>>> but it no longer runs, it was compiled for 32 bits.
>>>>
>>>> Chatgpt suggested these:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>      wego — nice TUI weather client written in Go
>>>>
>>>>      ansiweather — weather in your terminal using ANSI colors
>>>>
>>>>      weather-util — classic simple tool (weather command)
>>>>
>>>>      curl v2.wttr.in — alternative minimal text version
>>>>
>>>>      metar — shows aviation METAR weather reports
>>>
>>>    Did a lot of searching today and DID find some
>>>    alternative sites - GIF loops, PNGs updated every
>>>    five minutes, data pages with minimal BS that are
>>>    fairly easy to parse. But good old .csv or .tsv
>>>    tables ... nope. Long gone.
>>
>> Have a look at https://v2.wttr.in/, the page is simple.
>>
>>
>> https://github.com/chubin/wttr.in
>>
>> «wttr.in — the right way to -check- curl the weather!
>>
>> wttr.in is a console-oriented weather forecast service that supports 
>> various information representation methods like terminal-oriented 
>> ANSI- sequences for console HTTP clients (curl, httpie, or wget), HTML 
>> for web browsers, or PNG for graphical viewers.
> 
> 
>    They'd work fair, IF you can steer it to city near you.
>    Still not .csv alas  :-)

I can point it to the exact city. 2 Km away. The thing gives latitude 
and longitude of the site with 7 decimals. I have no idea why, if there 
is some kind of metering station at that spot. Not that I know.

You can make it output in json

> 
> 
>> Originally started as a small project, a wrapper for wego, intended to 
>> demonstrate the power of the console-oriented services, wttr.in became 
>> a popular weather reporting service, handling tens of millions¹ of 
>> queries daily.
>>
>> You can see it running here: wttr.in.»
>>
>>
>>
>> Query your city name:
>>
>> curl wttr.in/Madrid
>>
>> cer@Telcontar:~> curl wttr.in/Madrid
>> Weather report: Madrid
...>> Location: Madrid, Área metropolitana de Madrid y Corredor del 
Henares,
>> Comunidad de Madrid, España [40.4167047,-3.7035824]
>>
>> Follow @igor_chubin for wttr.in updates
>>
>>
>> You can probably look at the source code and find out how they obtain 
>> the data.
> 
> 
>    Kind of looks like the data comes from his Twitter acct ... there
>    is an encoded link ref probably unique to each city.
> 
> 
> 
>> Or:
>>
>> «Supported output formats and views
>>
>> wttr.in currently supports five output formats:
>>
>>      ANSI for the terminal;
>>      Plain-text for the terminal and scripts;
>>      HTML for the browser;
>>      PNG for the graphical viewers;
>>      JSON for scripts and APIs;
>>      Prometheus metrics for scripts and APIs.»
>>
>>
> 


-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#77525

FromAndy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
Date2025-11-14 13:24 +0000
Message-ID<mnoot8F849tU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#77504
"Carlos E.R." wrote:

> curl v2.wttr.in
> 
> gets you some weather info.

Nice, but shame the cloud emoji aren't consistent width

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#77557

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2025-11-14 17:03 -0500
Message-ID<CiGdnYqUD-7QOor0nZ2dnZfqn_udnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#77525
On 11/14/25 08:24, Andy Burns wrote:
> "Carlos E.R." wrote:
> 
>> curl v2.wttr.in
>>
>> gets you some weather info.
> 
> Nice, but shame the cloud emoji aren't consistent width

   Depends on how you'd want to use it all.

   Me, I've got a Python app I wrote for use on PI
   screens (ok, one is a tiny TV set). As such you
   only want to see the current info - in LARGE type
   so you can read it across the room. This is why
   I wanted a .csv derivation, super easy to extract
   what you want and then add the text to the screen
   image in large (I like white on dark blue) text.

   Anyway, as I said somewhere, I did find a few data
   sites maybe 'better' than what I'm using (and having
   odd issues with) that are easier to parse out.

   For this kind of info, "government" sites are likely
   yer better bet because they don't mess with them
   much once set-up. The current boss said "We need a
   weather/radar site !" and so it was done ... just
   to be forgotten, running in the deep background
   for years and years. "Commercial" sites always try
   to look spiff, competition, so they change a lot.
   What you could parse out yesterday may not work in
   the least tomorrow.

   About a year ago the radar GIF I've used suddenly
   changed - just only to higher-resolution. This
   meant I had to re-do my resize/position figures
   but it wasn't TOO bad, just some experimentation.

   Radar GIFs and other formats, typically you get
   ten frames ... every 5 minutes. My current has
   25 frames - two and a half hours. Use every
   other frame, makes motion more obvious on a
   small display.

   Too many sites now also want one (or ten) JavaScripts
   allowed in order to deliver anything. Hate 'em !
   Nice clean wget !!! (maybe curl ...)

   Anyway, this evening, I'm gonna write drop-in alts
   for the radar and weather functions I have, ready
   Just In Case. Hmm, config-file options ?

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#77420

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2025-11-12 20:10 +0000
Message-ID<mnk7t2Ff6c0U6@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#77390
On Wed, 12 Nov 2025 02:26:11 -0500, c186282 wrote:

> On 11/12/25 02:21, vallor wrote:
>> At 11 Nov 2025 20:16:41 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> On Mon, 10 Nov 2025 23:22:22 -0500, c186282 wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 11/10/25 02:46, rbowman wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 10 Nov 2025 00:36:58 -0500, c186282 wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11/9/25 14:28, rbowman wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sun, 09 Nov 2025 11:25:36 +0000, Diego Garcia wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Try to predict the weather using Python.  You'll be getting
>>>>>>>> tomorrows forecast next week, or even next month.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How about in a second or two?  The starting point is
>>>>>>>        url =
>>>>>>>        f"https://api.weather.gov/points/{latitude},{longitude}"
>>>>>>
>>>>>>      Keep getting "invalid point"
>>>>>
>>>>> Try
>>>>>
>>>>> https://api.weather.gov/points/42.934,-90.567
>>>>
>>>>     That works ... but change the coords a bit and it won't. Seems it
>>>>     only knows a handful of locations.
>>>
>>> I picked that at random.
>>>
>>> https://api.weather.gov/points/36.934,-72.567 Chincoteague, VA
>>>
>>> https://api.weather.gov/points/40.934,-94.567 Lenox, IA
>>>
>>> https://api.weather.gov/points/36.934,-84.567 Burnside KY
>>>
>>> https://api.weather.gov/points/58.114,-134.666 Juneau, AK
>>>
>>> https://api.weather.gov/points/38.114,-134.666 no data, but it's 886
>>> km off the coast of northern California.
>>>
>>> https://api.weather.gov/points/19.66,-156.012 Kailua, HI
>>>
>>> You do have to pick points in the US.
>>>
>>> https://api.weather.gov/points/51.130,-114.218 is Calgary AB and no
>>> data.
>> 
>> This is pretty slick.  I was able to grab the local weather forecast. 
>> It even includes icons for the weather.
>> 
>> Thank you for posting about it.
> 
>    All I get are pages of links to links to links ...
> 
>    And 'icons' are NOT what I'm looking for - I want comma/tab-delimited
>    tables which automation can easily get/process.

It's JSON. If you can't process that you might want to join the 21st 
century. That's what you're going to get out of most REST APIs. 



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#77344

FromCharlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
Date2025-11-11 21:07 +0000
Message-ID<xANQQ.2055096$ctz9.382312@fx16.iad>
In reply to#77312
On 2025-11-11, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:

>    In USA, the most useful sites seem to revolve
>    around 'aviation weather' and center on certain
>    airports, typically a 3-letter abbreviation.

Four letters now that they've gone to ICAO codes,
which in most - but not all - cases are just
the IATA code with a K slapped on the front.
(Ditto for Canadian location codes, except
you prepend a C.  The same caveat applies.)

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  Growth for the sake of
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  growth is the ideology
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  of the cancer cell.
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |    -- Edward Abbey

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#77376

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2025-11-12 00:56 -0500
Message-ID<rdmcndisdIgCvIn0nZ2dnZfqnPYAAAAA@giganews.com>
In reply to#77344
On 11/11/25 16:07, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On 2025-11-11, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
> 
>>     In USA, the most useful sites seem to revolve
>>     around 'aviation weather' and center on certain
>>     airports, typically a 3-letter abbreviation.
> 
> Four letters now that they've gone to ICAO codes,


    Yea, they've added a leading letter in most cases.
    "K"s are typical. Guess there are too many airports
    these days - "KATL" for Atlanta GA now.

    "Metar" has a lot of desired info, but now it's
    gone to the "verify you're human" bullshit so
    that's out for automated uses.

    US govt data goes deep and wide. SOMEWHERE there's
    what you want in a fairly easy format - but FINDING
    it is the huge challenge. May be with some totally
    obscure little agency or something-district.

    Accidentally found weekly tide data from a meter
    under a bridge somewhere - VERY accidentally alas.

    As said, give me a straight comma/tab delimited
    table with the latest info on the top row - or
    is that just TOO easy ? Can't have THAT !


> which in most - but not all - cases are just
> the IATA code with a K slapped on the front.
> (Ditto for Canadian location codes, except
> you prepend a C.  The same caveat applies.)

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#77108

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2025-11-08 13:28 +0100
Message-ID<sjp3ulxbp7.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#77092
On 2025-11-08 08:01, c186282 wrote:

> 
> Note neither 'C' or FP have a straight-up
> equiv for 'sleep()'. This is critical to
> my app. Turbo had something like it ... but
> it was like a legacy lib and not sure to
> be as accurate or versatile as Python sleep().

What do you want to do with sleep?

FreePascal has sleep() and fpSleep().

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#77113

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2025-11-08 12:45 +0000
Message-ID<10ene1v$2hkmh$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#77108
On 08/11/2025 12:28, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2025-11-08 08:01, c186282 wrote:
> 
>>
>> Note neither 'C' or FP have a straight-up
>> equiv for 'sleep()'. This is critical to
>> my app. Turbo had something like it ... but
>> it was like a legacy lib and not sure to
>> be as accurate or versatile as Python sleep().
> 
> What do you want to do with sleep?
> 
> FreePascal has sleep() and fpSleep().
> 
C has sleep() and usleep().


-- 
Labour - a bunch of rich people convincing poor people to vote for rich 
people by telling poor people that "other" rich people are the reason 
they are poor.

Peter Thompson

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#77119

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2025-11-08 14:35 +0100
Message-ID<nht3ulxmks.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#77113
On 2025-11-08 13:45, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 08/11/2025 12:28, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> On 2025-11-08 08:01, c186282 wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Note neither 'C' or FP have a straight-up
>>> equiv for 'sleep()'. This is critical to
>>> my app. Turbo had something like it ... but
>>> it was like a legacy lib and not sure to
>>> be as accurate or versatile as Python sleep().
>>
>> What do you want to do with sleep?
>>
>> FreePascal has sleep() and fpSleep().
>>
> C has sleep() and usleep().

Freepascal too, but doc doesn't say what it does.

https://www.freepascal.org/daily/packages/libc/libc/usleep.html

usleep

Declaration

Source position: unistdh.inc line 64

function usleep(

   __useconds: __useconds_t

):LongInt;


I also see FpNanoSleep.

<https://www.freepascal.org/docs-html/rtl/baseunix/fpnanosleep.html>

(this one documented properly)

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#77139

FromLawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2025-11-08 22:15 +0000
Message-ID<10eofe4$2rsga$11@dont-email.me>
In reply to#77108
On Sat, 8 Nov 2025 13:28:12 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:

> What do you want to do with sleep?

There are different kinds of sleeps. E.g. Python has time.sleep() to 
suspend the current thread, and asyncio.sleep() to suspend the current 
async task.

C doesn’t (yet) have coroutines/async tasks, so typically you would use a 
call like poll() or ppoll() to explicitly idle your event loop.

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#77156

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2025-11-09 00:28 -0500
Message-ID<qH6dnXF6soTAu430nZ2dnZfqnPednZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#77139
On 11/8/25 17:15, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
> On Sat, 8 Nov 2025 13:28:12 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> 
>> What do you want to do with sleep?
> 
> There are different kinds of sleeps. E.g. Python has time.sleep() to
> suspend the current thread, and asyncio.sleep() to suspend the current
> async task.
> 
> C doesn’t (yet) have coroutines/async tasks, so typically you would use a
> call like poll() or ppoll() to explicitly idle your event loop.

   C does have 'timers' that can be used to trigger
   some function outside a loop. Alas I think it's
   just ONE timer. FP can have several.

   'sleep()' ideally just idles whatever is going on
   for x milliseconds without messing up anything else
   however a timer CAN break in on that.

   With add-on GUIs such as Tkinter which are event
   driven you can define a timer that triggers
   every second or 250ms and evokes a on-time-task
   function outside the main TK loop. Made a multi-
   window weather/camera/calendar/etc app which needed
   that badly. Got a bit messy as I kept adding more
   neat-o options, eventually so many global vars
   that I put them all into one dict instead  :-)

   Lazarus/Delphi is inherently event-driven too,
   again an issue if you need stuff done at certain
   time intervals. Otherwise it'll just wait around
   for you to click something.

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#77130

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2025-11-08 20:29 +0000
Message-ID<mn9nheFm5j3U2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#77092
On Sat, 8 Nov 2025 02:01:12 -0500, c186282 wrote:


> The ffmpeg command line required is long and complicated. Some literal
> stuff, some vars. Then I remember that 'C' is a total BASTARD when it
> comes to strings.

Only if you don't know the language. sprintf() is your friend if strcat() 
won't do. Consider that sprintf() returns the number of bytes printed.

char* ptr = buffer
ptr += sprintf(ptr, "sone value %d ", x);
ptr += sprintf(ptr, "another value %d ", y);

allows you to build whatever you want in buffer. (assuming buffer is valid 
memory and you're doing some sanity checking.


> Note neither 'C' or FP have a straight-up equiv for 'sleep()'. This is
> critical to my app. Turbo had something like it ... but it was like a
> legacy lib and not sure to be as accurate or versatile as Python
> sleep().

man 3 sleep
man 3 usleep
man 2 nanosleep

What do you think CPython is doing?

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#77147

Fromvallor <vallor@vallor.earth>
Date2025-11-09 01:11 +0000
Message-ID<10eopoa$2u7bc$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#77130
At 8 Nov 2025 20:29:34 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

> On Sat, 8 Nov 2025 02:01:12 -0500, c186282 wrote:
> 
> 
> > The ffmpeg command line required is long and complicated. Some literal
> > stuff, some vars. Then I remember that 'C' is a total BASTARD when it
> > comes to strings.
> 
> Only if you don't know the language. sprintf() is your friend if strcat() 
> won't do. Consider that sprintf() returns the number of bytes printed.
> 
> char* ptr = buffer
> ptr += sprintf(ptr, "sone value %d ", x);
> ptr += sprintf(ptr, "another value %d ", y);
> 
> allows you to build whatever you want in buffer. (assuming buffer is valid 
> memory and you're doing some sanity checking.
> 
> 
> > Note neither 'C' or FP have a straight-up equiv for 'sleep()'. This is
> > critical to my app. Turbo had something like it ... but it was like a
> > legacy lib and not sure to be as accurate or versatile as Python
> > sleep().
> 
> man 3 sleep
> man 3 usleep
> man 2 nanosleep
> 
> What do you think CPython is doing?

These are POSIX functions -- could he be using something
non-POSIX?

(I'm not much of a Windows C programmer, so not sure if this
question even makes sense.)

Also, reading the man page for nanosleep(2), I got curious
about what happens when you ^z a process, then restart it
later.  On modern Linux, the nanosleep() appears to use
wall-clock time.

Experimental program:

$ cat try.c
#include <time.h>
#include <stdio.h>

void show_timespec(char * tag, struct timespec * ts)
{
printf("%s:\n",tag);
printf("  tv_sec=%ld\n",ts->tv_sec);
printf(" tv_nsec=%ld\n",ts->tv_nsec);
}

int main(void)
{
struct timespec ts = { 10, 0 };
struct timespec rem = { 0, 0 };
int retval;

retval = nanosleep(&ts,&rem);

printf("retval is %d\n",retval);
perror("error is");
show_timespec("ts",&ts);
show_timespec("rem",&rem);

return 0;
}

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