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Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ?

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First post2025-11-08 02:01 -0500
Last post2025-11-09 19:08 +0000
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  Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-08 02:01 -0500
    Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Diego Garcia <dg@linux.rocks> - 2025-11-08 11:31 +0000
      Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Diego Garcia <dg@linux.rocks> - 2025-11-08 12:15 +0000
        Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-08 13:32 +0100
          Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-09 00:08 -0500
            Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-09 19:51 +0000
              Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-10 00:38 -0500
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-10 07:35 +0000
        Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-08 12:50 +0000
        Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Diego Garcia <dg@linux.rocks> - 2025-11-08 12:57 +0000
      Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-08 23:58 -0500
        Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Diego Garcia <dg@linux.rocks> - 2025-11-09 11:25 +0000
          Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-09 12:48 +0000
            Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-09 23:29 -0500
          Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-11-09 09:18 -0800
            Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Diego Garcia <dg@linux.rocks> - 2025-11-09 20:13 +0000
              Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-10 07:47 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-10 12:09 +0000
                  Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-10 20:35 +0000
                    Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-10 21:15 +0000
                      Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-10 23:33 +0000
                        Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-11 03:23 +0000
                          Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-11 01:03 -0500
                          Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-11 10:57 +0000
                            Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-11 19:36 +0000
                        Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-11 20:50 +0100
                          Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-11 23:44 +0000
                            Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-12 01:38 -0500
                              Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-12 20:44 +0000
                                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-11-12 16:38 -0800
                                  Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-13 04:29 +0000
                                    Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-13 05:07 +0000
                                      Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-13 01:09 -0500
                                    Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-13 00:42 -0500
                                  Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-13 00:37 -0500
                          Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-11 23:46 -0500
                          Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-12 05:31 +0000
                            Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-12 06:00 +0000
                              Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-12 02:08 -0500
                                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-12 10:55 +0000
                                  Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-12 23:30 -0500
                            Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-12 01:56 -0500
                            Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-12 10:54 +0000
                              Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-12 23:17 -0500
                                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-13 10:38 +0000
                            Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-12 12:20 +0100
                              Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-12 23:50 -0500
                      Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-11 03:18 +0000
                        Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-11 00:54 -0500
                          Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-11 19:28 +0000
                            Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-11 23:25 +0000
                              Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-12 04:35 +0000
                                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-12 01:49 -0500
                                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-12 10:49 +0000
                              Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-12 01:31 -0500
                                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-12 20:44 +0000
                            Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-11 23:33 -0500
                          Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-11 21:07 +0000
                            Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-12 01:21 -0500
                              Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-12 20:44 +0000
                                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-13 00:13 -0500
                                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-13 05:40 +0000
                                  Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-13 01:20 -0500
                    Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-10 23:31 +0000
                      Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-11 03:39 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-10 19:48 +0000
                  Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Diego Garcia <dg@linux.rocks> - 2025-11-10 20:35 +0000
                    Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-10 21:53 +0100
                  Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-10 20:37 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-10 23:51 -0500
                  Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-11 19:40 +0000
                    Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-11 23:01 +0000
                      Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-12 04:33 +0000
                        Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-12 12:27 +0100
                          Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-11-12 12:44 +0000
                            Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-12 14:17 +0100
                            Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-12 23:51 -0500
                              Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-13 22:38 +0100
                                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-13 21:30 -0500
                                  Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-14 04:21 +0000
                                    Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-14 07:10 +0000
                                      Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-14 02:51 -0500
                                  Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-14 07:08 +0000
                                    Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-14 13:40 +0100
                                      Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-14 16:26 +0000
                                        Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-14 19:51 +0000
                                        Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-14 19:22 -0500
                                      Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2025-11-14 17:34 +0000
                                        Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-14 19:54 +0000
                                  Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-14 13:37 +0100
                                    Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-14 16:09 -0500
                                      Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-15 02:05 +0000
                                        Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ?) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-15 09:59 +0000
                                          Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ?) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-15 17:32 +0000
                                            Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ?) ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2025-11-15 18:48 +0000
                                              Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ?) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-15 21:38 +0000
                                                Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose?) Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2025-11-15 22:07 +0000
                                                  Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose?) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-15 22:21 +0000
                                                    Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose?) Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2025-11-15 23:14 +0000
                                                      Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose?) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-16 00:29 +0000
                                                        Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose?) Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2025-11-16 00:43 +0000
                                                          Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose?) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-16 00:45 +0000
                                                          Re: Recent history of vi Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-11-16 09:14 +0000
                                                            Re: Recent history of vi mechanicjay@sol.smbfc.net (Mechanicjay) - 2025-11-16 15:40 +0000
                                                              Re: Recent history of vi Joe Makowiec <makowiec@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-16 18:38 +0000
                                                                Re: Recent history of vi mechanicjay@sol.smbfc.net (Mechanicjay) - 2025-11-18 03:55 +0000
                                                                  Re: Recent history of vi Joe Makowiec <makowiec@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-19 13:11 +0000
                                                                    Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-19 20:12 +0000
                                                            Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-16 19:10 +0000
                                                            Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-16 21:01 +0000
                                                  Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose?) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-16 03:43 +0000
                                                  Re: Recent history of vi Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-11-16 09:35 -0500
                                                    Re: Recent history of vi mechanicjay@sol.smbfc.net (Mechanicjay) - 2025-11-16 15:47 +0000
                                                Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ?) ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2025-11-16 05:15 +0000
                                                  Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ?) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-16 19:31 +0000
                                                    Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ?) ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2025-11-16 20:27 +0000
                                                      Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-16 20:30 +0000
                                                        Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-16 21:04 +0000
                                                        Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-17 04:08 +0000
                                                          Re: Recent history of vi Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-11-17 11:39 -0500
                                                Re: Recent history of vi Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-11-16 09:31 -0500
                                                  Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-16 19:03 +0000
                                                  Re: Recent history of vi Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2025-11-17 02:32 +0000
                                              Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ?) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-15 21:51 +0000
                                                Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ?) ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2025-11-16 05:11 +0000
                                                  Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ?) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-16 05:13 +0000
                                                    Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ?) Ian <${send-direct-email-to-news1021-at-jusme-dot-com-if-you-must}@jusme.com> - 2025-11-16 12:15 +0000
                                                      Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ?) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-16 19:24 +0000
                                                        Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ?) Ian <${send-direct-email-to-news1021-at-jusme-dot-com-if-you-must}@jusme.com> - 2025-11-17 08:24 +0000
                                                          Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ?) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-17 19:57 +0000
                                                            Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ?) Ian <${send-direct-email-to-news1021-at-jusme-dot-com-if-you-must}@jusme.com> - 2025-11-18 08:02 +0000
                                                              Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-18 12:09 +0000
                                                      Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ?) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-16 20:56 +0000
                                                        Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ?) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-17 04:01 +0000
                                                        Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ?) Ian <${send-direct-email-to-news1021-at-jusme-dot-com-if-you-must}@jusme.com> - 2025-11-17 08:27 +0000
                                                  Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-16 10:33 +0000
                                                    Re: Recent history of vi Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-11-16 09:49 -0500
                                                      Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-16 19:28 +0000
                                                        Re: Recent history of vi ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2025-11-16 20:19 +0000
                                                          Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-16 20:59 +0000
                                                            Re: Recent history of vi ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2025-11-16 21:04 +0000
                                                              Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-16 21:19 +0000
                                                                Re: Recent history of vi ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2025-11-16 21:23 +0000
                                                            Re: Recent history of vi Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-16 23:13 +0000
                                                              Re: Recent history of vi ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2025-11-16 23:18 +0000
                                                                Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-17 00:43 +0000
                                                                  Re: Recent history of vi Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-11-21 19:55 +0000
                                                                    Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-21 20:27 +0000
                                                                      Re: Recent history of vi Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2025-11-22 03:20 +0000
                                                                        Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-22 05:57 +0000
                                                              Re: Recent history of vi Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2025-11-16 23:51 +0000
                                                            Re: Recent history of vi Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2025-11-18 20:04 +0100
                                                              Re: Recent history of vi Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2025-11-18 20:29 +0000
                                                                Re: Recent history of vi Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-19 08:24 +0000
                                                                Re: Recent history of vi Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-11-21 19:58 +0000
                                                                  Re: Recent history of vi Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2025-11-21 21:14 +0000
                                                                    ISO 8859-1, ISO 8859-15 and their names (was: Re: Recent history of vi) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-21 23:20 +0000
                                                                  Re: Recent history of vi Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-11-21 19:10 -0700
                                                                    Re: Recent history of vi Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-11-22 10:23 +0000
                                                                Re: Recent history of vi Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2025-11-22 17:55 +0100
                                                                  Re: Recent history of vi Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-11-22 19:20 +0100
                                                                    Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-22 21:43 +0000
                                                                      Re: Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-23 00:23 +0100
                                                                        Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-23 02:17 +0000
                                                                          Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-23 09:42 +0000
                                                                          Re: Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-23 14:59 +0100
                                                                            Re: Recent history of vi Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-11-23 13:09 -0800
                                                                              Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-23 22:57 +0000
                                                                        Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-23 02:56 +0000
                                                                        Re: Recent history of vi Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-11-22 20:18 -0700
                                                                        Re: typing in the mysterious East, Recent history of vi John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-11-24 01:45 +0000
                                                                          Re: typing in the mysterious East, Recent history of vi Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-11-23 18:06 -0800
                                                                            Re: typing in the mysterious East, Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-24 02:13 +0000
                                                                            Re: typing in the mysterious East, Recent history of vi John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-11-24 02:23 +0000
                                                                  Re: Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-22 20:25 +0100
                                                              Re: Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-19 02:37 +0100
                                                                ISO 8859-1 ("Latin 1") (was: Recent history of vi) Michael Bäuerle <michael.baeuerle@stz-e.de> - 2025-11-19 14:58 +0100
                                                                  Re: ISO 8859-1 ("Latin 1") (was: Recent history of vi) Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2025-11-20 02:09 +0000
                                                                    Re: ISO 8859-1 ("Latin 1") Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-11-19 20:16 -0700
                                                                      Re: ISO 8859-1 ("Latin 1") Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-20 08:47 +0000
                                                                        Re: ISO 8859-1 ("Latin 1") The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-20 11:10 +0000
                                                                          Re: ISO 8859-1 ("Latin 1") Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-20 17:57 +0000
                                                                            Re: ISO 8859-1 ("Latin 1") Ralf Fassel <ralfixx@gmx.de> - 2025-11-21 12:24 +0100
                                                                Re: Recent history of vi Eric Pozharski <apple.universe@posteo.net> - 2025-11-19 13:02 +0000
                                                                  Re: Recent history of vi antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-11-23 16:25 +0000
                                                          Re: Recent history of vi Anthk NM <anthk@disroot.org> - 2025-11-23 12:48 +0000
                                                            Re: Recent history of vi ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2025-11-23 17:51 +0000
                                                              Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-23 20:11 +0000
                                                      Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-16 20:26 +0000
                                                        Re: Recent history of vi Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-11-17 11:44 -0500
                                                    Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-16 20:57 +0000
                                            Re: Recent history of vi antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-11-15 19:52 +0000
                                              Re: Recent history of vi Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-11-16 09:50 -0500
                                                Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-16 18:56 +0000
                                                  Re: Recent history of vi Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-11-17 11:24 -0500
                                            Re: Recent history of vi Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-16 00:43 +0000
                                              Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-16 03:20 +0000
                                              Re: Recent history of vi Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-16 16:14 +0000
                                              Re: Recent history of vi scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-11-17 19:39 +0000
                      Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-12 01:24 -0500
                        Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-12 19:41 +0000
                          Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-13 00:00 -0500
                            Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-13 10:56 +0000
                              Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-13 21:25 -0500
                                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-14 04:21 +0000
                                  Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-13 23:40 -0500
                                    Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-14 07:05 +0000
                                      Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-14 02:48 -0500
                                        Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-11-16 03:53 +0000
                                  Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-14 13:45 +0100
                                    Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-14 19:29 +0000
                                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-14 10:22 +0000
                                  Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-11-14 10:35 +0000
                                    Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-14 15:55 -0500
                                      Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-15 02:07 +0000
                                  Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-14 15:47 -0500
                    Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-11 23:36 -0500
                      Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-12 20:04 +0000
              Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-10 08:57 +0100
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-10 08:13 +0000
                  Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-10 20:50 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-10 21:01 +0000
                  Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-10 22:40 +0100
                    Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-10 23:14 +0100
                    Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-10 22:21 +0000
                      Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-11 00:21 +0000
                        Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-11 00:43 -0500
                      Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-11-11 00:35 +0000
                        Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-11 01:40 +0000
                          Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-11 00:48 -0500
                            Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-11-11 08:53 +0000
                              Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Farley Flud <fsquared@fsquared.linux> - 2025-11-11 11:42 +0000
                                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-11 23:25 -0500
                              Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-11 23:21 -0500
                            Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-11 19:56 +0000
                          Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-11-11 08:38 +0000
                            Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-11 19:43 +0000
                              Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-11 23:43 -0500
                                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-12 10:50 +0000
                                  Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-12 23:11 -0500
                                    Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-13 10:24 +0000
                              Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-11-12 16:22 +0000
                        Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-11 10:59 +0000
                  Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2025-11-11 17:14 +0000
                    Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-11 23:28 -0500
                      Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-12 10:48 +0000
                        Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2025-11-12 11:20 +0000
                          Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-12 23:31 -0500
                        Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-12 23:08 -0500
                          Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-13 10:22 +0000
              Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-10 09:05 +0000
            Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-10 00:29 -0500
              Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Farley Flud <fsquared@fsquared.linux> - 2025-11-10 11:56 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-10 22:23 +0000
                  Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Diego Garcia <dg@linux.rocks> - 2025-11-10 22:38 +0000
                    Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-11-11 00:07 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-13 16:48 +0000
            Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-10 18:04 +0000
            Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2025-11-11 16:52 +0000
              Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Diego Garcia <dg@linux.rocks> - 2025-11-11 20:06 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2025-11-11 23:09 +0000
                  Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-11 23:31 +0000
                    Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-12 04:50 +0000
                    Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2025-11-12 06:50 +0000
                      Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-12 20:05 +0000
                        Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-15 17:17 +0000
                    Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-12 12:35 +0100
                      Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-11-12 21:09 +0000
                        Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-13 00:22 -0500
                    Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-11-12 21:06 +0000
                  Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-12 01:30 -0500
          Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-09 19:28 +0000
            Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-10 00:36 -0500
              Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-10 07:46 +0000
                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-10 23:22 -0500
                  Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-11 20:16 +0000
                    Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-12 00:08 -0500
                      Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-12 19:58 +0000
                    Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2025-11-12 07:21 +0000
                      Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-12 02:26 -0500
                        Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2025-11-12 08:35 +0000
                          Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-12 20:29 +0000
                          Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-12 23:07 -0500
                            Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-13 04:59 +0000
                              Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-13 00:57 -0500
                            Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-13 10:19 +0000
                              Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-13 20:16 +0000
                              Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-13 21:17 -0500
                            Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-14 01:54 +0100
                              Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-13 21:33 -0500
                                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-14 14:04 +0100
                                  Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-14 16:27 -0500
                                    Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-14 22:44 +0100
                              Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-11-14 13:24 +0000
                                Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-14 17:03 -0500
                        Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-12 20:10 +0000
                  Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-11 21:07 +0000
                    Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-12 00:56 -0500
    Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-08 13:28 +0100
      Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-08 12:45 +0000
        Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-08 14:35 +0100
      Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-08 22:15 +0000
        Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-09 00:28 -0500
    Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-08 20:29 +0000
      Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2025-11-09 01:11 +0000
        Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-09 02:37 +0000
          Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-09 09:11 +0000
            Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-09 19:08 +0000

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#77447

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2025-11-12 23:30 -0500
Message-ID<MuOcnTpTubGcwoj0nZ2dnZfqnPqdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#77397
On 11/12/25 05:55, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 12/11/2025 07:08, c186282 wrote:
>> So, caf pills.
>>
>>    Kinda hard sometimes to find the larger ones that are
>>    easy to split up. The idea is to nibble maybe 300mg
>>    over the day.
> 
> Strike Gum...

   Never heard of that.

   Never loved 'gums' either ... and with my
   current dental work ......

   I stick to the physically larger caf pills ...
   'Vivarin', Walgreens "Stay Awake", used to
   be able to get Natrol 'high caffeine', but
   not lately. They're easy to crack, then you
   can nibble little bits during the whole day.
   The other stuff kind of assumes you want a
   HUGE dose all at once. NOT so good, esp
   for old farts.

   Use it right and you'll still have low blood
   pressure and good kidney function. Go nuts
   and you'll mess things up. Caf is like any
   other drug in that respect.

   Anyway, three halves a day, 300mg, spread
   out in micro-doses. Keeps the brain sharp,
   energy up - but is not destructive. My BP
   systolic still averages 110 even at 70 years.

   Now as for the poor folks forced onto 'adhd'
   near-amphetamines as kids for 'convenience' ...
   I foresee a lot of REALLY bad outcomes to
   become manifest SOON now.

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#77387

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2025-11-12 01:56 -0500
Message-ID<ysWdnU27PO8Nson0nZ2dnZfqn_WdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#77374
On 11/12/25 00:31, rbowman wrote:
> On Tue, 11 Nov 2025 20:50:41 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> 
>> I had to ask chatgpt about what they mean in that song, it is not part
>> of my culture.
>>
>> «In the Rolling Stones’ 1966 song “Mother’s Little Helper,” the band is
>> referring to prescription tranquilizers—specifically Valium (diazepam)
>> and similar drugs that were commonly prescribed to housewives in the
>> 1950s and 1960s to help them cope with stress, anxiety, and depression.»
> 
> I think the term came into popular use after the song.
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valley_of_the_Dolls_(film)
> 
> It was a trashy film but reflected the culture of the '50s and '60s.
> Barbiturates were handed out like candy mints, prescribed by legitimate
> MDs, and filled by your local friendly pharmacist. All legal and above
> board. Nembutal (yellows) and Seconal (reds) were the most common.

   "Don't bet your money on a bag of reds !"   :-)


> The benzodiazepines like Valium were supposed to be less addictive and
> dangerous than the barbiturates like heroin was supposed to be the kinder,
> gentler morphine.
> 
> SSRIs are the popular feel good drugs today. Side effects may include
> suicide and hypomania.
> 
> One could ask what is it about modern society that causes a large
> proportion of the people to be medicated. My self-medication drug of
> choice is caffeine but I've always preferred uppers to downers.
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bm51ihfi1p4
> 
> "I wanna be sedated
> Nothin' to do, nowhere to go-ho
> I wanna be sedated"

   The Ramone brothers WERE seriously fucked up, bad
   mental issues. Probably couldn't have gotten by
   without serious meds  :-)

   But, fuck-ups and meds combined ... what a music
   catalog eh ?

   'Art' rarely comes from the stolid and staid,
   just sayin'

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#77396

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2025-11-12 10:54 +0000
Message-ID<10f1p0a$1cbme$4@dont-email.me>
In reply to#77374
On 12/11/2025 05:31, rbowman wrote:
> One could ask what is it about modern society that causes a large
> proportion of the people to be medicated. My self-medication drug of
> choice is caffeine but I've always preferred uppers to downers.

I think the exposure to a constantly conflicting data stream has a lot 
to do with it.

If I lived in the rectum of Glasgow with an internet connection I'd be a 
junkie too.

-- 
“Ideas are inherently conservative. They yield not to the attack of 
other ideas but to the massive onslaught of circumstance"

    -  John K Galbraith

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#77445

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2025-11-12 23:17 -0500
Message-ID<MuOcnTtTubEixoj0nZ2dnZfqnPqdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#77396
On 11/12/25 05:54, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 12/11/2025 05:31, rbowman wrote:
>> One could ask what is it about modern society that causes a large
>> proportion of the people to be medicated. My self-medication drug of
>> choice is caffeine but I've always preferred uppers to downers.
> 
> I think the exposure to a constantly conflicting data stream has a lot 
> to do with it.

   To a point, maybe not so fine a point. There's no
   'certainty' any more, nothing sure, nothing agreed.
   Everybody is floating in intellectual 'space' and
   that does not lead to solid personalities.

   Add to that the trend towards actively DISCOURAGING
   analysis of issues/facts/trends EXCEPT in some or
   another ideological space.

   NOT so long ago ... question if 'witches' exist and
   that proved you WERE a witch ....

> If I lived in the rectum of Glasgow with an internet connection I'd be a 
> junkie too.

   Never been there. You don't make it sound good.

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#77467

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2025-11-13 10:38 +0000
Message-ID<10f4cea$22lg1$4@dont-email.me>
In reply to#77445
On 13/11/2025 04:17, c186282 wrote:
> On 11/12/25 05:54, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 12/11/2025 05:31, rbowman wrote:
>>> One could ask what is it about modern society that causes a large
>>> proportion of the people to be medicated. My self-medication drug of
>>> choice is caffeine but I've always preferred uppers to downers.
>>
>> I think the exposure to a constantly conflicting data stream has a lot 
>> to do with it.
> 
>    To a point, maybe not so fine a point. There's no
>    'certainty' any more, nothing sure, nothing agreed.
>    Everybody is floating in intellectual 'space' and
>    that does not lead to solid personalities.
> 
Well the semi intellectual middle classes certainly are.
Down at the bottom it's business as usual. They know they aren't 
intellectual. and thinking comes hard so they are fairly immune to  that 
influence of the chattering classes.


>    Add to that the trend towards actively DISCOURAGING
>    analysis of issues/facts/trends EXCEPT in some or
>    another ideological space.
> 
>    NOT so long ago ... question if 'witches' exist and
>    that proved you WERE a witch ....
> 
Well it's no different today. 'Climate deniers' 'Terfs' 'Capitalists' 
'Fascists' 'Deplorables' 'Socialists' 'Homophobes' 'Islamophobes' 
'Trailer trash'


>> If I lived in the rectum of Glasgow with an internet connection I'd be 
>> a junkie too.
> 
>    Never been there. You don't make it sound good.
> 

Find the film 'Trainspotting' and watch it for a fairly vivid picture.

Also for a picture of a different kind of slum., try 'Tsotsi'

We are all here sufficiently affluent not to have to live in such 
places, but many do.


-- 
Any fool can believe in principles -  and most of them do!


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#77399

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2025-11-12 12:20 +0100
Message-ID<n57eulxkoi.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#77374
On 2025-11-12 06:31, rbowman wrote:
> On Tue, 11 Nov 2025 20:50:41 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> 
>> I had to ask chatgpt about what they mean in that song, it is not part
>> of my culture.
>>
>> «In the Rolling Stones’ 1966 song “Mother’s Little Helper,” the band is
>> referring to prescription tranquilizers—specifically Valium (diazepam)
>> and similar drugs that were commonly prescribed to housewives in the
>> 1950s and 1960s to help them cope with stress, anxiety, and depression.»
> 
> I think the term came into popular use after the song.
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valley_of_the_Dolls_(film)
> 
> It was a trashy film but reflected the culture of the '50s and '60s.
> Barbiturates were handed out like candy mints, prescribed by legitimate
> MDs, and filled by your local friendly pharmacist. All legal and above
> board. Nembutal (yellows) and Seconal (reds) were the most common.
> 
> The benzodiazepines like Valium were supposed to be less addictive and
> dangerous than the barbiturates like heroin was supposed to be the kinder,
> gentler morphine.
> 
> SSRIs are the popular feel good drugs today. Side effects may include
> suicide and hypomania.
> 
> One could ask what is it about modern society that causes a large
> proportion of the people to be medicated. My self-medication drug of
> choice is caffeine but I've always preferred uppers to downers.

Caffeine can make some people (with depression or anxiety) feel worse.

> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bm51ihfi1p4
> 
> "I wanna be sedated
> Nothin' to do, nowhere to go-ho
> I wanna be sedated"
> 
> 
> 


-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#77449

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2025-11-12 23:50 -0500
Message-ID<MuOcnTRTubEa_oj0nZ2dnZfqnPqdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#77399
On 11/12/25 06:20, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2025-11-12 06:31, rbowman wrote:
>> On Tue, 11 Nov 2025 20:50:41 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>
>>> I had to ask chatgpt about what they mean in that song, it is not part
>>> of my culture.
>>>
>>> «In the Rolling Stones’ 1966 song “Mother’s Little Helper,” the band is
>>> referring to prescription tranquilizers—specifically Valium (diazepam)
>>> and similar drugs that were commonly prescribed to housewives in the
>>> 1950s and 1960s to help them cope with stress, anxiety, and depression.»
>>
>> I think the term came into popular use after the song.
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valley_of_the_Dolls_(film)
>>
>> It was a trashy film but reflected the culture of the '50s and '60s.
>> Barbiturates were handed out like candy mints, prescribed by legitimate
>> MDs, and filled by your local friendly pharmacist. All legal and above
>> board. Nembutal (yellows) and Seconal (reds) were the most common.
>>
>> The benzodiazepines like Valium were supposed to be less addictive and
>> dangerous than the barbiturates like heroin was supposed to be the 
>> kinder,
>> gentler morphine.
>>
>> SSRIs are the popular feel good drugs today. Side effects may include
>> suicide and hypomania.
>>
>> One could ask what is it about modern society that causes a large
>> proportion of the people to be medicated. My self-medication drug of
>> choice is caffeine but I've always preferred uppers to downers.
> 
> Caffeine can make some people (with depression or anxiety) feel worse.

   Can.

   But not 'usually'.

   Everybody has some weird chemical sensitivities.
   Me, experimentally, I once took some "St. John's
   Wort" which is a low-level serotonin booster.
   Made me STUPID for three days ... really NOT good.

   I'm mostly Dane and that's the epicenter of a mutation
   that inherently increases serotonin sensitivity. The
   med was apparently TOO much.

   And no, 'stupid' was NOT 'happy' ... not gonna write
   any love songs to 'jagged little pills' .....


>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bm51ihfi1p4
>>
>> "I wanna be sedated
>> Nothin' to do, nowhere to go-ho
>> I wanna be sedated"

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#77307

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2025-11-11 03:18 +0000
Message-ID<mnfo7qFmferU4@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#77283
On Mon, 10 Nov 2025 21:15:06 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

> On 2025-11-10, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> 
>> On Mon, 10 Nov 2025 12:09:23 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>
>>> On 10/11/2025 07:47, rbowman wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 09 Nov 2025 20:13:49 +0000, Diego Garcia wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> SPEED, SPEED, SPEED, SPEED.  It's all about SPEED.
>>>> 
>>>> 50 mg of crystal should do the trick.
>>>
>>> LOL!
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uyrIDGut_I
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ed6g6I2-wZc

No shit. Back in the '60s my friendly family doctor used to hand out 
scripts for Biphetamine 20s, aka Black Beauties. 10 mg of leveamphetamine, 
10 of dextroamphetamine.  That was good stuff. They cracked down on the 
diet pills only to have it reemerge with ADHD. As far as I can tell 
Adderall is the same thing. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Requiem_for_a_Dream

Those were the days.Selby always told nice, uplifting stories like 'Last 
Exit to Brooklyn'.

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#77319

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2025-11-11 00:54 -0500
Message-ID<hiGdnUHAoeg1Uo_0nZ2dnZfqnPednZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#77307
On 11/10/25 22:18, rbowman wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Nov 2025 21:15:06 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> 
>> On 2025-11-10, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 10 Nov 2025 12:09:23 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 10/11/2025 07:47, rbowman wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 09 Nov 2025 20:13:49 +0000, Diego Garcia wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> SPEED, SPEED, SPEED, SPEED.  It's all about SPEED.
>>>>>
>>>>> 50 mg of crystal should do the trick.
>>>>
>>>> LOL!
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uyrIDGut_I
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ed6g6I2-wZc
> 
> No shit. Back in the '60s my friendly family doctor used to hand out
> scripts for Biphetamine 20s, aka Black Beauties. 10 mg of leveamphetamine,
> 10 of dextroamphetamine.  That was good stuff. They cracked down on the
> diet pills only to have it reemerge with ADHD. As far as I can tell
> Adderall is the same thing.
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Requiem_for_a_Dream
> 
> Those were the days.Selby always told nice, uplifting stories like 'Last
> Exit to Brooklyn'.

   I remember, late 60s and early 70s, when it seemed
   every housewife was popping dexidrine by the handful.
   Always hyped and shakey. "Diet Pills" so hubby would
   not run off with a younger rival.

   Thing was, after awhile, it'd mess up their brains
   so much hubby was desperate to run off with some
   more SANE rival  :-)

   As for the latest brand names for speed ... people
   are beginning to find out THOSE are very bad too.
   Too late for many alas ...

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#77333

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2025-11-11 19:28 +0000
Message-ID<mnhh2eFqk3U5@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#77319
On Tue, 11 Nov 2025 00:54:52 -0500, c186282 wrote:


>    I remember, late 60s and early 70s, when it seemed every housewife
>    was popping dexidrine by the handful.
>    Always hyped and shakey. "Diet Pills" so hubby would not run off with
>    a younger rival.

I'm pretty sure the doctor I saw was prescribing for himself. He had 
office hours in the evening on a first come, first served basis. On summer 
evenings there would be people sitting on the front steps waiting their 
turn at 11 PM.  In the morning he made his hospital rounds and in his 
spare time would make house calls. iirc an office visit was $4 and netted 
two weeks worth of black beauties.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVCmrnOtzis

Give me weed, whites, and wine and I'm willin'. My preferred wine was 
Gallo Hearty Burgundy in the gallon jug. 14% and the best buy based on 
pennies per proof gallon.

When I talk to my ex we sometimes wonder how either of us got so old. She 
has had health problems since 12 and I was more or less crazy. When you're 
driving non-stop from upstate NY to St. Petersburg FL and a Volkswagen in 
front of you turns into a dragon with flaming red eyes it gets a bit 
strange.


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#77349

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2025-11-11 23:25 +0000
Message-ID<10f0gkh$12vpc$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#77333
On 11/11/2025 19:28, rbowman wrote:
> On Tue, 11 Nov 2025 00:54:52 -0500, c186282 wrote:
> 
> 
>>     I remember, late 60s and early 70s, when it seemed every housewife
>>     was popping dexidrine by the handful.
>>     Always hyped and shakey. "Diet Pills" so hubby would not run off with
>>     a younger rival.
> 
> I'm pretty sure the doctor I saw was prescribing for himself. He had
> office hours in the evening on a first come, first served basis. On summer
> evenings there would be people sitting on the front steps waiting their
> turn at 11 PM.  In the morning he made his hospital rounds and in his
> spare time would make house calls. iirc an office visit was $4 and netted
> two weeks worth of black beauties.
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVCmrnOtzis
> 
> Give me weed, whites, and wine and I'm willin'. My preferred wine was
> Gallo Hearty Burgundy in the gallon jug. 14% and the best buy based on
> pennies per proof gallon.
> 
> When I talk to my ex we sometimes wonder how either of us got so old. She
> has had health problems since 12 and I was more or less crazy. When you're
> driving non-stop from upstate NY to St. Petersburg FL and a Volkswagen in
> front of you turns into a dragon with flaming red eyes it gets a bit
> strange.
> 
I had dinosaurs keeping up with me one time on the road to London

> 
> 

-- 
"It was a lot more fun being 20 in the 70's that it is being 70 in the 20's"
Joew Walsh

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#77365

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2025-11-12 04:35 +0000
Message-ID<mnih51F5v4aU6@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#77349
On Tue, 11 Nov 2025 23:25:05 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> I had dinosaurs keeping up with me one time on the road to London

Those damn dinosaurs will get you every time. One problem with 
experiencing altered states is you start wondering about the 'normal' 
state. 

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#77385

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2025-11-12 01:49 -0500
Message-ID<ysWdnVK7PO-Rs4n0nZ2dnZfqn_UAAAAA@giganews.com>
In reply to#77365
On 11/11/25 23:35, rbowman wrote:
> On Tue, 11 Nov 2025 23:25:05 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> 
>> I had dinosaurs keeping up with me one time on the road to London
> 
> Those damn dinosaurs will get you every time. One problem with
> experiencing altered states is you start wondering about the 'normal'
> state.

   Um ... does 'normal' even exist ?   :-)

   1625 ... all 'portents' and 'signs' and witches
   and demons everywhere !!! That was 'reality'.

   "She turned me into a newt !"   :-)

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#77394

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2025-11-12 10:49 +0000
Message-ID<10f1one$1cbme$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#77365
On 12/11/2025 04:35, rbowman wrote:
> On Tue, 11 Nov 2025 23:25:05 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> 
>> I had dinosaurs keeping up with me one time on the road to London
> 
> Those damn dinosaurs will get you every time. One problem with
> experiencing altered states is you start wondering about the 'normal'
> state.
Hence the philosophy...
-- 
"And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch".

Gospel of St. Mathew 15:14

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#77382

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2025-11-12 01:31 -0500
Message-ID<rdmcndWsdIhFtIn0nZ2dnZfqnPadnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#77349
On 11/11/25 18:25, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 11/11/2025 19:28, rbowman wrote:
>> On Tue, 11 Nov 2025 00:54:52 -0500, c186282 wrote:
>>
>>
>>>     I remember, late 60s and early 70s, when it seemed every housewife
>>>     was popping dexidrine by the handful.
>>>     Always hyped and shakey. "Diet Pills" so hubby would not run off 
>>> with
>>>     a younger rival.
>>
>> I'm pretty sure the doctor I saw was prescribing for himself. He had
>> office hours in the evening on a first come, first served basis. On 
>> summer
>> evenings there would be people sitting on the front steps waiting their
>> turn at 11 PM.  In the morning he made his hospital rounds and in his
>> spare time would make house calls. iirc an office visit was $4 and netted
>> two weeks worth of black beauties.
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVCmrnOtzis
>>
>> Give me weed, whites, and wine and I'm willin'. My preferred wine was
>> Gallo Hearty Burgundy in the gallon jug. 14% and the best buy based on
>> pennies per proof gallon.
>>
>> When I talk to my ex we sometimes wonder how either of us got so old. She
>> has had health problems since 12 and I was more or less crazy. When 
>> you're
>> driving non-stop from upstate NY to St. Petersburg FL and a Volkswagen in
>> front of you turns into a dragon with flaming red eyes it gets a bit
>> strange.
>>
> I had dinosaurs keeping up with me one time on the road to London


   Um ... dudes ... WAY too much of whatever !  :-)

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#77426

FromCharlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
Date2025-11-12 20:44 +0000
Message-ID<Ak6RQ.3$b134.2@fx17.iad>
In reply to#77382
On 2025-11-12, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:

> On 11/11/25 18:25, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>> On 11/11/2025 19:28, rbowman wrote:
>>
>>> When I talk to my ex we sometimes wonder how either of us got
>>> so old. She has had health problems since 12 and I was more or
>>> less crazy. When  you're driving non-stop from upstate NY to
>>> St. Petersburg FL and a Volkswagen in front of you turns into
>>> a dragon with flaming red eyes it gets a bit strange.
>>
>> I had dinosaurs keeping up with me one time on the road to London
>
>    Um ... dudes ... WAY too much of whatever !  :-)

I wasn't on anything, but on one marathon driving session
I knew it was time to pull over when I started hallucinating
trees falling across the road in front of me.

On the other hand, I defer to the master:

    We were somewhere around Barstow on the edge of the
    desert when the drugs began to take hold.  I remember
    saying something like "I feel a bit lightheaded; maybe
    you should drive...."  And suddenly there was a terrible
    roar all around us and the sky was full of what looked
    like huge bats, all swooping and screeching and diving
    around the car, which was going about a hundred miles
    an hour with the top down to Las Vegas.
      -- Hunter S. Thompson: Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  Growth for the sake of
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  growth is the ideology
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  of the cancer cell.
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |    -- Edward Abbey

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#77364

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2025-11-11 23:33 -0500
Message-ID<ysWdnVW7PO-Ik4n0nZ2dnZfqn_WdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#77333
On 11/11/25 14:28, rbowman wrote:
> On Tue, 11 Nov 2025 00:54:52 -0500, c186282 wrote:
> 
> 
>>     I remember, late 60s and early 70s, when it seemed every housewife
>>     was popping dexidrine by the handful.
>>     Always hyped and shakey. "Diet Pills" so hubby would not run off with
>>     a younger rival.
> 
> I'm pretty sure the doctor I saw was prescribing for himself. He had
> office hours in the evening on a first come, first served basis. On summer
> evenings there would be people sitting on the front steps waiting their
> turn at 11 PM.  In the morning he made his hospital rounds and in his
> spare time would make house calls. iirc an office visit was $4 and netted
> two weeks worth of black beauties.
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVCmrnOtzis
> 
> Give me weed, whites, and wine and I'm willin'. My preferred wine was
> Gallo Hearty Burgundy in the gallon jug. 14% and the best buy based on
> pennies per proof gallon.
> 
> When I talk to my ex we sometimes wonder how either of us got so old. She
> has had health problems since 12 and I was more or less crazy. When you're
> driving non-stop from upstate NY to St. Petersburg FL and a Volkswagen in
> front of you turns into a dragon with flaming red eyes it gets a bit
> strange.

   Yikes !!!

   Some gal I worked with had migraine headaches. Her doc
   prescribed some tryptamine analog. Said she was driving
   and then 'pixies' appeared on the hood   :-)

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#77345

FromCharlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
Date2025-11-11 21:07 +0000
Message-ID<yANQQ.2055097$ctz9.1193749@fx16.iad>
In reply to#77319
On 2025-11-11, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:

>    I remember, late 60s and early 70s, when it seemed
>    every housewife was popping dexidrine by the handful.
>    Always hyped and shakey. "Diet Pills" so hubby would
>    not run off with a younger rival.

    And though she's not really ill,
    There's a little yellow pill.
    She goes running for the shelter
    Of a Mother's Little Helper
    And it helps her on her way,
    Gets her through her busy day.
      -- Rolling Stones (1965)

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  Growth for the sake of
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  growth is the ideology
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  of the cancer cell.
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |    -- Edward Abbey

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#77378

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2025-11-12 01:21 -0500
Message-ID<ysWdnVC7PO_Auon0nZ2dnZfqn_UAAAAA@giganews.com>
In reply to#77345
On 11/11/25 16:07, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On 2025-11-11, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
> 
>>     I remember, late 60s and early 70s, when it seemed
>>     every housewife was popping dexidrine by the handful.
>>     Always hyped and shakey. "Diet Pills" so hubby would
>>     not run off with a younger rival.
> 
>      And though she's not really ill,
>      There's a little yellow pill.
>      She goes running for the shelter
>      Of a Mother's Little Helper
>      And it helps her on her way,
>      Gets her through her busy day.
>        -- Rolling Stones (1965)
> 

   They were better on THOSE pills. The Dexies
   made them unbearable ... nervous wrecks.

   Many women over 30 develop an unbearable urge
   for carbs ... sweets and pasta and giant bags
   of crisps and worse. Seems a 'genetic fat bomb'.

   We now have GLP-1 ... evil effects report pending ...
   but before then it was amphetamines. They didn't
   really kill appetite, just made ya so weirded out
   that you forgot to eat.

   Bennies were more fun ... had/took a few once in
   a huge shopping mall at 70s xmas season. Navigating
   the packed mob became SO easy. Try the Fugs
   "Amphetamine Shriek"  :-)

   TERRIBLE for the health alas. I'd pop an artery
   now at my age.

   DO remember the 60s/70s neighborhood moms ...
   speed freaks almost all. Daddy, they 100%
   depended on, was eyeing the younger gals at
   the office so they HAD to stay trim as possible
   no matter the price.

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#77427

FromCharlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
Date2025-11-12 20:44 +0000
Message-ID<Bk6RQ.4$b134.3@fx17.iad>
In reply to#77378
On 2025-11-12, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:

>    Bennies were more fun ... had/took a few once in
>    a huge shopping mall at 70s xmas season. Navigating
>    the packed mob became SO easy. Try the Fugs
>    "Amphetamine Shriek"  :-)

    Well here I sit
    All alone with a broken heart.
    I took three bennies
    And my semi-truck won't start.
      -- Commander Cody and his Lost Planet Airmen

>    TERRIBLE for the health alas. I'd pop an artery
>    now at my age.
>
>    DO remember the 60s/70s neighborhood moms ...
>    speed freaks almost all. Daddy, they 100%
>    depended on, was eyeing the younger gals at
>    the office so they HAD to stay trim as possible
>    no matter the price.

I remember seeing "diet chocolates" under the brand name "Ayds".
Presumably they were laced with the stuff.

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  Growth for the sake of
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  growth is the ideology
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  of the cancer cell.
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |    -- Edward Abbey

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