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The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn

Started byLawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
First post2025-11-05 21:31 +0000
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  The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-05 21:31 +0000
    Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-05 23:12 +0000
    Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-06 13:55 +0100
      Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Allodoxaphobia <trepidation@example.net> - 2025-11-06 16:37 +0000
      Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-06 18:51 +0000
        Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-07 11:14 +0000
          Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-07 13:06 +0100
            Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-07 13:43 +0000
              Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-07 15:17 +0100
                Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-07 20:59 -0500
                  Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-08 06:39 +0000
                  Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-08 07:12 +0000
                    Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-08 02:56 -0500
                  Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-08 12:41 +0100
                    Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-08 13:09 +0100
          Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Diego Garcia <dg@linux.rocks> - 2025-11-07 20:09 +0000
            Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-07 21:50 -0500
              Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-08 07:24 +0000
                Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-08 02:57 -0500
              Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Diego Garcia <dg@linux.rocks> - 2025-11-08 11:56 +0000
                Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-08 13:10 +0100
                Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-08 12:15 +0000
                  Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Diego Garcia <dg@linux.rocks> - 2025-11-08 12:26 +0000
                    Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-08 13:34 +0100
                      Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Diego Garcia <dg@linux.rocks> - 2025-11-08 13:08 +0000
                        Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-08 13:27 +0000
                          Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Diego Garcia <dg@chaos.rocks> - 2025-11-08 15:25 +0000
                            Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-11-09 13:42 +0000
                              Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Diego Garcia <dg@chaos.rocks> - 2025-11-09 15:20 +0000
                                Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-09 20:46 +0000
                                Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-10 09:06 +0100
                        Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-08 16:05 +0000
                          Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Diego Garcia <dg@chaos.rocks> - 2025-11-08 17:02 +0000
                            Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-09 00:52 +0000
                    Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-08 12:47 +0000
                    Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-11-08 08:38 -0800
                      Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Diego Garcia <dg@chaos.rocks> - 2025-11-08 17:35 +0000
                        Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-09 01:03 +0000
                          Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-09 13:01 +0000
                            Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-09 15:02 +0000
                              Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-09 20:46 +0000
                                Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-09 23:18 +0000
                                  Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-10 12:14 +0000
                                Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-09 23:44 +0000
                                Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-09 23:56 +0000
                      Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-08 20:42 +0000
                    Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-08 21:17 +0000
                      Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Diego Garcia <dg@linux.rocks> - 2025-11-08 21:46 +0000
                        Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-11-08 15:37 -0800
                          Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-11-09 13:55 +0000
                            Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-09 20:42 +0000
                              Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-10 09:15 +0100
                                Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-10 20:58 +0000
                            Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-09 20:46 +0000
                            Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-09 22:36 +0000
                        Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-09 01:09 +0000
                          Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-09 03:53 +0000
                          Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-11-09 13:58 +0000
                            Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-09 20:42 +0000
                              Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-09 23:51 +0000
                      Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-11-08 15:30 -0800
                        Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-09 03:19 +0000
                        Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-09 09:53 +0000
                          Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-11-09 13:45 +0000
                    Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-11-09 13:28 +0000
                      Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-09 22:32 +0000
                      Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-10 00:14 -0500
                        Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-11-15 10:25 +0000
                    Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-11-12 04:36 +0000
                      Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-12 20:41 +0000
                Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-11-08 08:29 -0800
                  Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Diego Garcia <dg@chaos.rocks> - 2025-11-08 18:31 +0000
                    Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-08 20:42 +0000
                      Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-08 21:53 +0000
                        Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-08 22:10 +0000
                          Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-09 04:23 +0000
                            Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-09 00:31 -0500
                              Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-09 12:55 +0000
                                Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-09 20:15 +0000
                                  Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-09 20:49 +0000
                                Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-09 23:47 -0500
                              Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-09 20:07 +0000
                              Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-11-14 16:46 +0000
                    Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-09 00:34 +0000
                    Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-11-08 22:13 -0800
                      Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-09 01:48 -0500
                        Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-09 13:10 +0000
                          Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-09 23:41 +0000
                      Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-09 20:40 +0000
                        Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-11-09 13:14 -0800
                          Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-10 08:11 +0000
                  Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-11-12 22:36 +0000
                    Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-13 05:52 +0000
                      Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-11-14 17:38 +0000
                        Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-14 18:16 +0000
                    Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-13 10:43 +0000
                      Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-11-14 17:33 +0000
                        Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-14 20:57 +0000
                          Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-15 05:56 +0000
                            Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-15 22:14 +0100
                              Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-15 22:23 +0000
                                Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-16 03:06 +0100
                                  Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-16 02:35 +0000
                Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-09 00:02 +0000
                  Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-09 05:34 +0000
                    Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-09 01:42 -0500
                      Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-09 12:58 +0000
                        Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-10 00:06 -0500
                          Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-10 12:22 +0000
                            Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-10 21:02 +0000
                              Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-10 23:24 +0000
                                Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-11 03:57 +0000
                                  Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-11 00:39 -0500
                                    Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-11-14 18:50 +0000
                                  Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-11-11 07:38 +0100
                                    Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-11 20:22 +0000
                                      Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-12 00:10 -0500
                                        Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-12 20:48 +0000
                                        Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-11-14 18:54 +0000
                                          Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-14 20:43 +0100
                                            Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-14 20:09 +0000
                                            Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-11-15 02:07 +0000
                                              Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-14 23:14 -0500
                                              Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-15 22:23 +0100
                                      Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-12 00:38 -0500
                                        Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-12 20:34 +0000
                                        Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-11-14 18:57 +0000
                            Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-11-14 18:46 +0000
                          Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-10 21:16 +0100
                          Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-11-14 18:44 +0000
                      Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-09 19:56 +0000
                        Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-10 21:17 +0100
                Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2025-11-09 01:21 +0000
                  Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-10 21:21 +0100
            Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-11-10 00:00 +0000
    Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@usenet.mail.kapsi.fi> - 2025-11-08 13:24 +0200
      Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-08 20:54 +0000
      Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-08 21:43 +0000
        Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-11-09 14:08 +0000
          Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-09 23:39 +0000
            Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-11-15 10:09 +0000
              Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-15 22:25 +0000
        Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-10 23:19 +0100
          Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-10 23:52 +0000
            Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-11 00:06 +0000
              Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-11-14 19:13 +0000
      Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-11-14 19:11 +0000
        Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-14 20:11 +0000
        Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-11-15 10:34 +0000
          Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-15 22:35 +0000
            Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-17 13:00 +0100
              Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-11-17 12:01 -0500
              Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-18 01:06 +0000
                Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-18 07:25 +0100
                  Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-18 07:20 +0000
                    Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-18 08:49 +0100
                      Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-18 08:11 +0000
                        Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-18 17:46 +0100
        Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@usenet.mail.kapsi.fi> - 2025-11-15 14:03 +0200
    Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-10 05:57 +0000
      Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-10 01:01 -0500
        Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-10 07:42 +0000
        Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-11-14 19:16 +0000
      Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-10 08:16 +0000
        Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-10 08:25 +0000
        Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-10 21:02 +0000
          Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-10 22:26 +0000

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#77224

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2025-11-09 23:47 -0500
Message-ID<tIecnTiREu_q84z0nZ2dnZfqn_SdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#77168
On 11/9/25 07:55, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 09/11/2025 05:31, c186282 wrote:
>> Hmmmm ... are nix/Win 'services' just working off
>>    a deep down time/event trigger or are they ISRs ?
>>    My guess is the former, ISRs can be a bit weird
>>    sometimes - did plenty of those with microcontrollers.
> 
> Haven't you written any?

   ISRs ??? Plenty. Microcontrollers. Keep 'em short
   and simple is the general rule.

> Every process in *nix is 'interrupt driven' in that it gets its share of 
> CPU time via the (timer) interrupt driven scheduler.

   I understand ... but juggling interrupts, esp
   lots at one time, IS a pain in the ass.

   Suppose I should research how Linux DOES it
   in the finer details. Just ONE timer-triggered
   big ISR or a zillion little ones ? Multi user
   multi tasking is nothing new, but HOW each
   developer gets it to work out minus big probs
   is a bit of a mystery to me.

> Most device drivers will take hardware interrupts, service them as 
> quickly as possible and flag a main task that they need to wake up and 
> do the rest.

   That's my main direct experience with ISRs. Button
   presses, clock-chip evocations, device inputs.
   If yer chip still accepts 2.5-3V as a logic one
   you can do an 8->3 for buttons with just some
   Schottky diodes  :-)

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#77192

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2025-11-09 20:07 +0000
Message-ID<mncajcF4tpaU4@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#77157
On Sun, 9 Nov 2025 00:31:05 -0500, c186282 wrote:

>    Hmmmm ... are nix/Win 'services' just working off a deep down
>    time/event trigger or are they ISRs ?
>    My guess is the former, ISRs can be a bit weird sometimes - did
>    plenty of those with microcontrollers.

They are processes, so deep down there is some sort of scheduler. It makes 
my head hurt to contemplate what's really going on in a modern system with 
multiple cores and so forth. It was so much simpler with a single 
processor. 

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#77527

FromRich <rich@example.invalid>
Date2025-11-14 16:46 +0000
Message-ID<10f7me0$2v9gc$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#77157
c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
> On 11/8/25 23:23, rbowman wrote:
>> On Sat, 8 Nov 2025 22:10:29 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
>> 
>>> And then I think on Windows “services” are an entirely separate kind of
>>> program again, invoked within the depths of the system rather than via
>>> the application menu. Again, *nix systems don’t distinguish these kinds
>>> of programs in any way.
>> 
>> I wouldn't say they are entirely separate although they contain boiler
>> plate for when they run as a Windows service rather than from the cli.
>> 
>> https://nssm.cc/usage
>> 
>> NSSM streamlines the process rather than doing all the scut work
>> yourself.
>> 
>> https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/framework/windows-services/
>> walkthrough-creating-a-windows-service-application-in-the-component-
>> designer
> 
>   Hmmmm ... are nix/Win 'services' just working off
>   a deep down time/event trigger or are they ISRs ?
>   My guess is the former, ISRs can be a bit weird
>   sometimes - did plenty of those with microcontrollers.

Unix "services" (other than the internal kernel services that modern 
Linux kernels spawn, and even they are more 'process like' than not) 
are just another user process like every other user process in Unix.

The difference is they (often) run as a different user or group 
identifier than your user processes, they get started up automatically 
by something (shell scripts on BSD/SYSV style startups, directly by 
systemd on systemd systems) and they operate without "controlling 
terminals".

As far as being ISR's, typically the kernel does not pass on low level 
'interrupt handling' directly to user processes.  Instead the "service 
processes" open whatever "api interface" they use (file, filesystem 
fifo, socket, etc.) and then block on a read operation on the file 
descriptor associated with the item.  When something arrives for the 
item, the kernel completes the read, returning control to the process 
to do something as a result.  Usually the process then returns to 
blocking on a read on the file descriptor waiting for the next "unit of 
work" to arrive.

So most are 'event driven' (by kernel events).  However, some (crond) 
are "timer driven" in that they "wait" for some amount of time then do 
whatever they have been asked to do.  And even those are "event" driven 
because rather than busy loop, they ask the kernel to "wake me in X 
length of time".  So in the end they get what is effectively a "wakeup 
event" from the kernel.


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#77143

FromNuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid>
Date2025-11-09 00:34 +0000
Message-ID<10eonjb$2u36i$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#77128
On 2025-11-08, Diego Garcia wrote:

> On Sat, 8 Nov 2025 08:29:55 -0800, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
>
>>> 
>>> "space-alien telepathic channel" = idiot-proof GUI = GNOME, KDE
>> 
>> 		Different levels of understanding by users make sure that no Desktop
>> Environment is Fool proof.  Many people fail to understand how to setup KDE
>> for their work patterns.  I learned about GUI on the Amiga and since 
>> then try to
>> emulate my Amiga work patterns.
>> 	Gnome is far less adaptable and might be called fool-proof but I doubt that
>> any but the CLIa are truely fool proof oh but look idiot deleted files 
>> with "rm"
>> that run his expensive or cheap hardware.
>> 
>
> A "desktop environment" is not the definition of computing, but most Linux users
> believe that it is.
>
> I suppose that's true because a lot of Linux users come from Microsoft where
> the DE is the only default interface.

Quick and Dirty Operating System wants to have a word with you :-P

> I don't want to expound the various aspects of the human-machine interface.
> It would require a whole book to do that.
>
> But the CLI is fundamental.  It cannot be escaped.  All GUIs and DEs just
> ride upon the CLI.

I'd argue this may make more sense for Windows (at least before the last
version 4.90, which IIRC featured a different boot workflow?) than for
the way GUIs and DEs can work on GNU/Linux.

I mean, Windows has (again, perhaps expect for 4.90) to be started from
MS-DOS (even if IIRC 4.* already does a lot more than just run a GUI on
top of DOS). Meanwhile, DEs in GNU/Linux often can be started by
whatever system is on PID 1.

(But yeah, this is mostly relying on small details that don't matter
much, "Windows" nowadays usually refers to Windows NT, and DEs and GUIs
on GNU/Linux can also be started from a shell, instead of PID 1.

> Both the CLI "shell" and the GUI "shell" just ultimately pass arguments
> to the kernel exec() system call.

Well, yes, they have to, if you want to execute something different, you
have to go through execve().

> The GUI (DE) is just an often tremendously convenient method for passing such
> arguments.
>
> I cannot disagree with the GUI idea but the DE actually employs unnecessary 
> auxiliary, and highly bloated, programs to appropriate such simple
> actions.

This does not need to be the case. Around 20 years ago you could have
both lightweight DEs (still more than just a window manager, with their
own graphical utilities, but with a much smaller memory footprint and a
snappier interface) and heavier, feature-rich and customizable bigger
DEs like KDE 3.

Although this ends up relying upon the definition of "bloat", if one
includes "things I don't need" in that and doesn't need DEs, then by
definition, all of DEs would be bloated, as opposed to a concept of
"lightweight".

>> 	Not total dummies but companies where IP personnel maintain
>> strict control of the system and individual who fall prey to the
>> Canonical advertising.
>> 
>
> That is another significant problem.
>
> Corporations/companies want uniform software systems.  Needless to say,
> GNU/Linux does not really offer that uniformity, and that is why IBM/RedHat
> and other distro bloodsuckers want to destroy CHOICE and build a GNU/Linux
> distro according to their bloodsucking corporate specifications.

It can offer that, centrally managed GNU/Linux installs are a thing,
although not something I have first-hand experience with. I've heard at
least of Puppet.

Also, some organizations probably want systems that can be made less
uniform, I mean, you'd want employees to work on the projects they have
to work on, depending on the work you do, that may require the
flexibility to customize the system. Also, not everyone works in the
same way, so allowing different graphical environments, different visual
editors, etc. is probably a good idea.

-- 
Nuno Silva

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#77159

FromBobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com>
Date2025-11-08 22:13 -0800
Message-ID<10epbf4$336ma$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#77128

On 11/8/25 10:31, Diego Garcia wrote:
> On Sat, 8 Nov 2025 08:29:55 -0800, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
> 
>>>
>>> "space-alien telepathic channel" = idiot-proof GUI = GNOME, KDE
>>
>> 		Different levels of understanding by users make sure that no Desktop
>> Environment is Fool proof.  Many people fail to understand how to setup KDE
>> for their work patterns.  I learned about GUI on the Amiga and since
>> then try to
>> emulate my Amiga work patterns.
>> 	Gnome is far less adaptable and might be called fool-proof but I doubt that
>> any but the CLIa are truely fool proof oh but look idiot deleted files
>> with "rm"
>> that run his expensive or cheap hardware.
>>
> 
> A "desktop environment" is not the definition of computing, but most Linux users
> believe that it is.
> 
> I suppose that's true because a lot of Linux users come from Microsoft where
> the DE is the only default interface.
> 
> I don't want to expound the various aspects of the human-machine interface.
> It would require a whole book to do that.
> 
> But the CLI is fundamental.  It cannot be escaped.  All GUIs and DEs just
> ride upon the CLI.
> 
> Both the CLI "shell" and the GUI "shell" just ultimately pass arguments
> to the kernel exec() system call.
> 
> The GUI (DE) is just an often tremendously convenient method for passing such
> arguments.
> 
> I cannot disagree with the GUI idea but the DE actually employs unnecessary
> auxiliary, and highly bloated, programs to appropriate such simple actions.
> 
> 
> 
>>
>> 	Not total dummies but companies where IP personnel maintain
>> strict control of the system and individual who fall prey to the
>> Canonical advertising.
>>
> 
> That is another significant problem.
> 
> Corporations/companies want uniform software systems.  Needless to say,
> GNU/Linux does not really offer that uniformity, and that is why IBM/RedHat
> and other distro bloodsuckers want to destroy CHOICE and build a GNU/Linux
> distro according to their bloodsucking corporate specifications.
> 
	
		But that is what the corporation needs as otherwise the
workers might be playing games on company time.



> I am sorry to say, but it is listless and acquiescent users like you
> that letting RedHat take over GNU/Linux development.
> 

	PCLinuxOS uses rpm via apt-rpm mediated through a version of Synaptic
currently which will be replaced with DNF eventually.  From my POV 
Synaptic is
a superior tool presently but hopefully DNF will mature to a better tool 
than
it is now on PCLOS.

	"Listless and acquiescent" I may appear to you but I am 88 yoa and
have been using personal computers since the 1980s starting with the
Commodore 64, then Amiga and now x86 laptop PCs.  I used to publish
an Amiga Users Group Newsletter and currently provide a summary
of Linux news with URLs for further information.  I used to be the distro
librarian for the SF-LUG but that is before Covid-19 brought an end
to our anarchic meetings.  It was terrible how Canonical had sold itself
to many technically competent people in the LUG who had promoted
it to New users who frequently were lax in keeping up with the backups
and updates.  So I had to look at the ugly underbelly of Ubuntu.
After Mandriva it was a shock.

bliss- Dell Precision 7730- PCLOS 2025.10 Linux 6.12.57-pclos1- KDE 
Plasma 6.5.2

	

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#77161

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2025-11-09 01:48 -0500
Message-ID<unadnTT1HNSvpI30nZ2dnZfqnPadnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#77159
On 11/9/25 01:13, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
> 
> 
> On 11/8/25 10:31, Diego Garcia wrote:
>> On Sat, 8 Nov 2025 08:29:55 -0800, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>> "space-alien telepathic channel" = idiot-proof GUI = GNOME, KDE
>>>
>>>         Different levels of understanding by users make sure that no 
>>> Desktop
>>> Environment is Fool proof.  Many people fail to understand how to 
>>> setup KDE
>>> for their work patterns.  I learned about GUI on the Amiga and since
>>> then try to
>>> emulate my Amiga work patterns.
>>>     Gnome is far less adaptable and might be called fool-proof but I 
>>> doubt that
>>> any but the CLIa are truely fool proof oh but look idiot deleted files
>>> with "rm"
>>> that run his expensive or cheap hardware.
>>>
>>
>> A "desktop environment" is not the definition of computing, but most 
>> Linux users
>> believe that it is.
>>
>> I suppose that's true because a lot of Linux users come from Microsoft 
>> where
>> the DE is the only default interface.
>>
>> I don't want to expound the various aspects of the human-machine 
>> interface.
>> It would require a whole book to do that.
>>
>> But the CLI is fundamental.  It cannot be escaped.  All GUIs and DEs just
>> ride upon the CLI.
>>
>> Both the CLI "shell" and the GUI "shell" just ultimately pass arguments
>> to the kernel exec() system call.
>>
>> The GUI (DE) is just an often tremendously convenient method for 
>> passing such
>> arguments.
>>
>> I cannot disagree with the GUI idea but the DE actually employs 
>> unnecessary
>> auxiliary, and highly bloated, programs to appropriate such simple 
>> actions.
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>     Not total dummies but companies where IP personnel maintain
>>> strict control of the system and individual who fall prey to the
>>> Canonical advertising.
>>>
>>
>> That is another significant problem.
>>
>> Corporations/companies want uniform software systems.  Needless to say,
>> GNU/Linux does not really offer that uniformity, and that is why IBM/ 
>> RedHat
>> and other distro bloodsuckers want to destroy CHOICE and build a GNU/ 
>> Linux
>> distro according to their bloodsucking corporate specifications.
>>
> 
>          But that is what the corporation needs as otherwise the
> workers might be playing games on company time.
> 
> 
> 
>> I am sorry to say, but it is listless and acquiescent users like you
>> that letting RedHat take over GNU/Linux development.
>>
> 
>      PCLinuxOS uses rpm via apt-rpm mediated through a version of Synaptic
> currently which will be replaced with DNF eventually.  From my POV 
> Synaptic is
> a superior tool presently but hopefully DNF will mature to a better tool 
> than
> it is now on PCLOS.
> 
>      "Listless and acquiescent" I may appear to you but I am 88 yoa and
> have been using personal computers since the 1980s starting with the
> Commodore 64, then Amiga and now x86 laptop PCs.  I used to publish
> an Amiga Users Group Newsletter and currently provide a summary
> of Linux news with URLs for further information.  I used to be the distro
> librarian for the SF-LUG but that is before Covid-19 brought an end
> to our anarchic meetings.  It was terrible how Canonical had sold itself
> to many technically competent people in the LUG who had promoted
> it to New users who frequently were lax in keeping up with the backups
> and updates.  So I had to look at the ugly underbelly of Ubuntu.
> After Mandriva it was a shock.
> 
> bliss- Dell Precision 7730- PCLOS 2025.10 Linux 6.12.57-pclos1- KDE 
> Plasma 6.5.2

   'Diego' is apparently a super-advanced human better
   than everyone else eh ?  :-)

   I'm just gonna plonk him, don't need the attitude.

   A lot of us got into computers WAY back - you even
   earlier than me. We've put in our time, wrote our
   million lines of code in many languages. Still have
   some paper punchtapes around somewhere from the
   PDP-11 days and a small selection of 8" floppies too.
   Shit, 'C' was the Cool New Language on the 11's  :-)
   Far more fun than COBOL !

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#77171

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2025-11-09 13:10 +0000
Message-ID<10eq3rn$392o0$5@dont-email.me>
In reply to#77161
On 09/11/2025 06:48, c186282 wrote:
> Shit, 'C' was the Cool New Language on the 11's  🙂
>    Far more fun than COBOL !

It wasn't meant to be fun. It was meant to be a way that ordinary people 
who understood business problems could write clean comprehensive 
documented bug free code on machines with very little RAM.

Sadly a skill that is no longer deemed necessary by today's hackaday 
dweebs...random monkeys writing Python till it 'sorta works'...

My latest project has been on test all week. Since its outside, 
inaccessible and runs on batteries i don't want to have to reboot it *at 
all* over the winter.
It has to reboot only when it needs new batteries, and unlike what it 
replaces, it will inform me of that fact.


-- 
The New Left are the people they warned you about.

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#77214

FromLawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2025-11-09 23:41 +0000
Message-ID<10er8qv$3kmsv$4@dont-email.me>
In reply to#77171
On Sun, 9 Nov 2025 13:10:15 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> [COBOL] wasn't meant to be fun. It was meant to be a way that
> ordinary people who understood business problems could write clean
> comprehensive documented bug free code on machines with very little
> RAM.

I don’t know about the “very little RAM” bit. Back in the days of the
PDP-11, the COBOL compiler was a monster. Our sysadmin kept it chained
up in its own batch queue, so nobody could run more than one instance
at a time.

As for “bug free code” ... remember Y2K?

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#77198

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2025-11-09 20:40 +0000
Message-ID<mncchjF4tpaU6@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#77159
On Sat, 8 Nov 2025 22:13:54 -0800, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

> 	PCLinuxOS uses rpm via apt-rpm mediated through a version of 
Synaptic
> currently which will be replaced with DNF eventually.  From my POV
> Synaptic is a superior tool presently but hopefully DNF will mature to a
> better tool than it is now on PCLOS.

There's nothing wrong with dnf5 but I'm not fond of the Fedora KDE 
'Discover'. It seems very slow and I use it very seldom unless I'm window 
shopping. I have Synaptic on the Ubuntu box and rarely use it either. 
Usually I know what I want and install it from the command line and do the 
updates and upgrades from the command line.

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#77206

FromBobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com>
Date2025-11-09 13:14 -0800
Message-ID<10er08c$3ihhs$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#77198

On 11/9/25 12:40, rbowman wrote:
> On Sat, 8 Nov 2025 22:13:54 -0800, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
> 
>> 	PCLinuxOS uses rpm via apt-rpm mediated through a version of
> Synaptic
>> currently which will be replaced with DNF eventually.  From my POV
>> Synaptic is a superior tool presently but hopefully DNF will mature to a
>> better tool than it is now on PCLOS.
> 
> There's nothing wrong with dnf5 but I'm not fond of the Fedora KDE
> 'Discover'. It seems very slow and I use it very seldom unless I'm window
> shopping. I have Synaptic on the Ubuntu box and rarely use it either.
> Usually I know what I want and install it from the command line and do the
> updates and upgrades from the command line.

	Well Fedora has opted to use only Wayland I believe.
Wayland for some reasons has been adopted prematurely by large distros
like Fedora and others.  Maybe they figure their users have no need
for the additional functions of X which Wayland has failed to achieve.

	PCLinuxOS uses SysV and X in its basic systems and I am using
X myself. KDE's Plasma 6 is a bit slower than Plasma 5 but it does
not impede me to a marked degree.
	
	I prefer Synaptic for doing updates and for finding tools that
I learn about.  I will have to go and get some drivers for my printer
eventually from Epson.  Hopefully I will be able to install them
soon.  But I have a lot on my plate considering that I am sleeping
12-14 hours per day in chunks of 2,4,6 hours.

	bliss

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#77243

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2025-11-10 08:11 +0000
Message-ID<mndl2eFbepuU6@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#77206
On Sun, 9 Nov 2025 13:14:50 -0800, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

> 	Well Fedora has opted to use only Wayland I believe.
> Wayland for some reasons has been adopted prematurely by large distros
> like Fedora and others.  Maybe they figure their users have no need for
> the additional functions of X which Wayland has failed to achieve.

It doesn't make a difference to me anymore. I spent about 25 years doing 
Motif GUIs. That was quite enough, thank you.

> But I have a lot on my plate considering that I am sleeping 12-14 hours
> per day in chunks of 2,4,6 hours.

Sounds like the cat. She's old, arthritic, snores, sheds, and sleeps a lot 
at random times. We're a good match. If I get up to take a leak she looks 
at me and asks "Are we getting up yet?" Then we both go back to sleep.


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#77433

FromRich <rich@example.invalid>
Date2025-11-12 22:36 +0000
Message-ID<10f325d$1p10n$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#77124
Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:
>        Gnome is far less adaptable and might be called fool-proof but 
> I doubt that any but the CLIa are truely fool proof oh but look idiot 
> deleted files with "rm" that run his expensive or cheap hardware.

Gnome's entire angle is: "there is only one way to do "that", and it is 
the way we proscribe for you to do it".

As to the CLI, it is only "fool proof" from the fact that the "fools" 
are one or more of: 1) unaware it exists, 2) afraid of it or 3) do not know 
anything about how to use it.

But a "fool" who manages to learn enough to try to use the CLI will 
rapidly find that it is not at all "fool proof".  It is instead very 
unforgiving of mistakes.

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#77460

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2025-11-13 05:52 +0000
Message-ID<mnla0nFjr66U5@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#77433
On Wed, 12 Nov 2025 22:36:30 -0000 (UTC), Rich wrote:

> As to the CLI, it is only "fool proof" from the fact that the "fools"
> are one or more of: 1) unaware it exists, 2) afraid of it or 3) do not
> know anything about how to use it.

$ apt list | grep zypper

WARNING: apt does not have a stable CLI interface. Use with caution in 
scripts.

Odd warning that you only seem to get if you pipe the output to 
something. 

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#77530

FromRich <rich@example.invalid>
Date2025-11-14 17:38 +0000
Message-ID<10f7pe5$30ako$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#77460
rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 12 Nov 2025 22:36:30 -0000 (UTC), Rich wrote:
> 
>> As to the CLI, it is only "fool proof" from the fact that the "fools"
>> are one or more of: 1) unaware it exists, 2) afraid of it or 3) do not
>> know anything about how to use it.
> 
> $ apt list | grep zypper
> 
> WARNING: apt does not have a stable CLI interface. Use with caution in 
> scripts.
> 
> Odd warning that you only seem to get if you pipe the output to 
> something. 

It is possible to detect if stdout is connected to a terminal vs. 
connected to something else (pipe, redirected to a file).

So the fact that it only appears when piping implies they use "stdout 
is not a terminal" to decide to output that warning.  Which in some 
way, maybe makes sense.  It can't detect directly that it is running 
from a script vs. typed in by a user, but if stdout is not a terminal 
then that does imply "non-interactive use" so they did what they could.

In any case, the fact that they needed to output the warning at all 
implies that maybe they ought rethink the "keep cli stable" aspect and 
not toy around with it enough to need that warning in the first place.

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#77531

FromRichard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid>
Date2025-11-14 18:16 +0000
Message-ID<wwvy0o8qy3d.fsf@LkoBDZeT.terraraq.uk>
In reply to#77530
Rich <rich@example.invalid> writes:
> rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>> $ apt list | grep zypper
>> 
>> WARNING: apt does not have a stable CLI interface. Use with caution in 
>> scripts.
>> 
>> Odd warning that you only seem to get if you pipe the output to 
>> something. 
[..]
> In any case, the fact that they needed to output the warning at all 
> implies that maybe they ought rethink the "keep cli stable" aspect and 
> not toy around with it enough to need that warning in the first place.

No, the point of apt(8) is to be a deliberately mutable interactive
interface, to be changed if it can be improved.

If you need, or simply prefer, a more stable interface to the same
functionality, you can ignore its existence and keep on using apt-get
and apt-cache.

-- 
https://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/

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#77468

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2025-11-13 10:43 +0000
Message-ID<10f4coj$22lg1$5@dont-email.me>
In reply to#77433
On 12/11/2025 22:36, Rich wrote:
> "there is only one way to do "that", and it is
> the way we proscribe for you to do it".

That sounds more like Kafka. Or Joseph Heller.
Did you mean 'prescribe'?


-- 
When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men in a society, over 
the course of time they create for themselves a legal system that 
authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it.

  Frédéric Bastiat

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#77528

FromRich <rich@example.invalid>
Date2025-11-14 17:33 +0000
Message-ID<10f7p61$30ako$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#77468
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 12/11/2025 22:36, Rich wrote:
>> "there is only one way to do "that", and it is
>> the way we proscribe for you to do it".
> 
> That sounds more like Kafka. Or Joseph Heller.
> Did you mean 'prescribe'?

Indeed, yes, "prescribe" was meant.

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#77550

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2025-11-14 20:57 +0000
Message-ID<10f853r$33l61$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#77528
On 14/11/2025 17:33, Rich wrote:
> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> On 12/11/2025 22:36, Rich wrote:
>>> "there is only one way to do "that", and it is
>>> the way we proscribe for you to do it".
>>
>> That sounds more like Kafka. Or Joseph Heller.
>> Did you mean 'prescribe'?
> 
> Indeed, yes, "prescribe" was meant.

I got a parking ticket pre printed with the offence 'parking in a 
prescribed place'.
I wish I had got a good lawyer and gone to court over that.


-- 
The theory of Communism may be summed up in one sentence: Abolish all 
private property.

Karl Marx

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#77570

FromLawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2025-11-15 05:56 +0000
Message-ID<10f94mm$3agk8$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#77550
On Fri, 14 Nov 2025 20:57:31 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> I got a parking ticket pre printed with the offence 'parking in a 
> prescribed place'.
> I wish I had got a good lawyer and gone to court over that.

One very expensive way to prove how much of a smartarse you are ...

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#77585

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2025-11-15 22:14 +0100
Message-ID<p27nulxbf4.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#77570
On 2025-11-15 06:56, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
> On Fri, 14 Nov 2025 20:57:31 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> 
>> I got a parking ticket pre printed with the offence 'parking in a
>> prescribed place'.
>> I wish I had got a good lawyer and gone to court over that.
> 
> One very expensive way to prove how much of a smartarse you are ...

Fuzzy feeling to win one over the stupid law holder.

Over here, people that get tickets like that, pass it on to some 
insurance lawyer and get the ticket removed.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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