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| Started by | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| First post | 2025-09-30 00:12 -0400 |
| Last post | 2025-11-03 14:14 +0000 |
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AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-30 00:12 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-30 09:37 +0200
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-30 19:21 +0200
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-30 19:35 +0100
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-30 22:45 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-30 22:41 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-30 22:44 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-30 23:46 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-01 01:05 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-01 01:06 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-01 03:53 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-01 04:57 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-01 21:41 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-01 21:40 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-10-10 18:00 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-11 02:41 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-11 11:00 +0100
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-11 19:39 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-11 22:31 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-12 12:09 +0100
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-11 19:03 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-11 22:28 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-12 12:04 +0100
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-12 19:40 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-13 03:24 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-13 10:19 +0100
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-13 19:05 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-14 01:24 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-14 07:09 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-14 20:35 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-14 10:04 +0200
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-14 10:04 +0100
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-14 12:06 +0200
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-14 11:32 +0100
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-14 12:45 +0200
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-14 22:05 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-14 23:31 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-15 14:30 +0200
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-14 21:47 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-14 23:31 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-15 06:41 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-15 03:30 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-15 16:57 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-15 21:31 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-16 18:43 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-16 18:59 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-16 13:43 -0700
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-17 02:02 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-10-17 07:58 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-10-17 17:38 +0100
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-17 22:16 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-10-18 08:53 -0400
Bikes [Was: AI-Based Coding Taking Over] "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-18 20:02 +0200
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-18 19:51 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-18 22:55 +0200
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-19 02:32 +0000
Nuisance fauna [Was: AI-Based Coding Taking Over] "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-19 13:31 +0200
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-10-19 08:41 +0100
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-19 11:15 +0100
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-19 20:57 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-20 00:23 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-20 05:44 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-20 03:32 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-20 10:34 +0200
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-20 23:22 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-10-21 08:54 +0100
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-21 21:22 +0200
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-22 05:45 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-22 02:21 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-22 14:07 +0200
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-22 21:05 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-24 10:42 +0200
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-24 10:11 +0100
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-24 19:47 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-24 19:45 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-25 10:47 +0100
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-25 19:46 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-22 08:19 +0100
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-21 20:05 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-21 23:50 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-22 11:32 +0100
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-20 20:12 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-20 11:53 -0700
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-21 03:32 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-20 21:52 -0700
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-21 01:44 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-21 19:34 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-21 23:41 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-22 05:40 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-22 02:23 -0400
Oil leaks "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-22 14:13 +0200
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-20 10:29 +0200
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-20 19:43 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-20 20:48 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-21 04:10 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-21 01:39 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-21 20:02 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-21 23:48 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-22 06:02 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-22 03:34 -0400
Vehicles "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-22 14:30 +0200
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-22 18:03 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-22 20:51 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-23 14:54 +0200
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-22 14:26 +0200
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-22 21:00 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-23 04:01 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-23 20:27 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-23 20:59 -0700
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-25 04:47 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-24 22:09 -0700
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-25 19:43 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-25 22:23 +0200
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-25 20:51 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-26 19:58 +0100
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-26 11:00 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-26 18:40 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-26 22:19 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-27 00:48 +0100
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-27 03:12 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-27 10:15 +0100
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-27 08:20 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-27 02:54 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-27 08:23 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-26 22:45 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-27 03:07 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-27 14:26 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-27 14:31 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-27 20:41 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-27 14:17 -0700
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-28 05:40 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-28 07:45 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-10-28 06:18 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-28 19:19 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-28 19:08 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-27 22:30 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-28 07:45 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-28 11:25 -0700
The Good Ol' Days of Computing? Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-10-28 06:15 -0400
Re: The Good Ol' Days of Computing? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-29 02:12 -0400
Re: The Good Ol' Days of Computing? John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-10-29 08:43 -0700
Re: The Good Ol' Days of Computing? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-29 21:30 -0400
Re: The Good Ol' Days of Computing? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-30 03:07 +0000
Re: The Good Ol' Days of Computing? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-30 00:49 -0400
Re: The Good Ol' Days of Computing? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-30 06:29 +0000
Re: The Good Ol' Days of Computing? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-30 07:00 +0000
Re: The Good Ol' Days of Computing? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-30 11:32 -0400
Re: The Good Ol' Days of Computing? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-30 16:39 +0000
Re: The Good Ol' Days of Computing? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-30 11:29 -0400
Re: The Good Ol' Days of Computing? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-30 16:37 +0000
Re: The Good Ol' Days of Computing? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-30 20:21 +0000
Re: The Good Ol' Days of Computing? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-31 04:01 +0000
Personal computer (was Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-10-27 09:21 -0700
Re: Personal computer (was Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-27 16:53 +0000
Re: Personal computer (was Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over) Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-10-27 13:48 -0400
Re: Personal computer (was Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-27 20:53 +0000
Re: Personal computer (was Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-10-27 13:56 -0700
Re: Personal computer (was Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over) Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-10-28 06:30 -0400
Re: Personal computer (was Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-10-28 08:15 -0700
Re: Personal computer (was Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-28 19:44 +0000
Re: Personal computer (was Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-10-28 12:51 -0700
Re: Personal computer (was Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-10-28 15:39 -0700
Re: Personal computer (was Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-29 02:14 +0000
Re: Personal computer (was Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-29 01:52 +0000
Re: Personal computer (was Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-28 19:37 +0000
Re: Personal computer (was Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-28 07:45 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-27 10:18 -0700
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-10-27 13:42 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-27 21:18 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-28 07:45 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-27 19:28 +0100
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2025-10-24 03:30 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-24 05:44 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-24 10:21 +0200
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-23 14:57 +0200
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-23 20:23 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-24 10:35 +0200
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-24 19:30 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-24 22:13 +0200
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-25 02:38 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-25 15:17 +0200
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-25 19:40 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-23 00:29 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-23 14:59 +0200
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-23 20:20 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-23 19:09 -0700
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-24 05:49 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-24 10:38 +0200
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-24 19:41 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-24 13:05 -0700
Agriculture "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-24 22:25 +0200
Re: Agriculture rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-25 02:22 +0000
Vehicles "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-22 14:21 +0200
Re: Vehicles rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-22 20:14 +0000
Re: Vehicles "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-23 15:06 +0200
Re: Vehicles rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-23 20:01 +0000
Re: Vehicles "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-24 10:09 +0200
Re: Vehicles rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-24 18:40 +0000
Re: Vehicles "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-24 21:22 +0200
Re: Vehicles rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-25 01:54 +0000
Re: Vehicles "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-25 15:20 +0200
Re: Vehicles c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-23 00:28 -0400
Re: Vehicles The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-23 08:55 +0100
Re: Vehicles "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-23 15:09 +0200
Re: Vehicles Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-10-23 17:46 +0000
Re: Vehicles rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-23 20:08 +0000
Re: Vehicles Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-10-23 22:28 +0000
Re: Vehicles rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-24 05:09 +0000
Re: Vehicles "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-24 01:43 +0200
Re: Vehicles "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-24 01:47 +0200
Re: Vehicles c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-23 22:51 -0400
Pouring a coffee into a street drain. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-24 09:59 +0200
Re: Pouring a coffee into a street drain. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-24 18:43 +0000
Re: Vehicles c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-23 22:45 -0400
Re: Vehicles rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-23 20:06 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-21 00:32 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-20 23:18 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-21 19:50 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-19 20:40 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-19 14:24 -0700
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-20 06:04 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-20 10:48 +0200
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-20 19:52 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-21 01:02 +0200
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-21 03:39 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-21 01:33 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-21 21:33 +0200
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-21 23:37 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-22 06:12 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-22 03:38 -0400
Vehicles. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-22 14:35 +0200
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-21 19:42 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-17 17:36 +0000
Car inspections. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-15 14:35 +0200
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-14 21:38 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-14 19:12 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-15 11:55 +0100
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2025-10-16 03:07 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-16 02:56 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-14 21:06 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-15 11:59 +0100
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-16 01:00 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-16 07:29 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-16 11:22 +0100
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-17 22:34 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-01 18:11 +0100
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-01 21:06 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-01 23:45 +0100
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-01 22:19 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-02 11:15 +0100
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-01 21:59 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2025-10-02 06:20 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-02 03:05 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2025-10-02 18:41 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-02 07:26 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2025-10-02 18:37 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-03 00:29 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-03 05:06 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-03 01:24 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Bob Vloon <usenet@bananacorp.nl.invalid> - 2025-10-03 11:33 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-03 20:46 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-03 00:25 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-03 04:44 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-03 01:18 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-03 20:42 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-03 21:05 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-03 23:35 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-03 23:37 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-03 08:54 +0100
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-03 10:02 +0100
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-03 20:41 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-03 23:24 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-03 23:21 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-03 23:20 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-04 17:04 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-10-03 08:03 +1000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2025-10-02 22:55 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-30 22:06 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Jason H <jason_hindle@yahoo.com> - 2025-10-01 20:26 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-01 21:58 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Farley Flud <fsquared@fsquared.linux> - 2025-09-30 11:25 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-30 12:56 +0100
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-30 22:48 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-01 03:53 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-01 21:36 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-30 22:16 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over John McCue <jmclnx@gmail.com.invalid> - 2025-10-31 16:52 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-31 20:19 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-31 22:45 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-31 22:35 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-01 11:19 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-01 17:32 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-01 21:09 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-02 19:09 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-02 19:30 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-03 02:28 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-02 01:17 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-11-03 07:52 +1000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over John McCue <jmclnx@gmail.com.invalid> - 2025-11-02 22:21 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> - 2025-11-03 09:30 +1000
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| From | John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-10-29 08:43 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: The Good Ol' Days of Computing? |
| Message-ID | <20251029084329.0000034f@gmail.com> |
| In reply to | #76803 |
On Wed, 29 Oct 2025 02:12:50 -0400 c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: > The 'old' popular computers DID build up the craft considerably. > There were suddenly a lot more programmers/designers than the biz/sci > environment would have ever created. Yeah - the *personal* aspect of the personal-computer revolution is the most noted, and rightly so, but it's important to remember that it was also how computing went from Big Business to small business, and, funnily enough, became Big Business in the process. Lotta independent software shops came outta some hobbyist spotting an unfilled niche and cobbling something together to fill it, in those days - I still work for the remnants of one.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-10-29 21:30 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: The Good Ol' Days of Computing? |
| Message-ID | <ZNydnaSFZa5fIp_0nZ2dnZfqn_WdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #76806 |
On 10/29/25 11:43, John Ames wrote: > On Wed, 29 Oct 2025 02:12:50 -0400 > c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: > >> The 'old' popular computers DID build up the craft considerably. >> There were suddenly a lot more programmers/designers than the biz/sci >> environment would have ever created. > > Yeah - the *personal* aspect of the personal-computer revolution is the > most noted, and rightly so, but it's important to remember that it was > also how computing went from Big Business to small business, and, > funnily enough, became Big Business in the process. Lotta independent > software shops came outta some hobbyist spotting an unfilled niche and > cobbling something together to fill it, in those days - I still work > for the remnants of one. It was a huge explosion of skills that found many (and many *profitable*) business lines down the road. Without PCs, well, I think it'd all still be Big Iron and paper punch tape ...
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-10-30 03:07 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: The Good Ol' Days of Computing? |
| Message-ID | <mmg33jFauaqU4@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #76812 |
On Wed, 29 Oct 2025 21:30:48 -0400, c186282 wrote: > It was a huge explosion of skills that found many (and many > *profitable*) business lines down the road. > > Without PCs, well, I think it'd all still be Big Iron and paper punch > tape ... I took a slightly different path via hardware industrial control systems to early MCUs but I had about zero interest in FORTRAN on System 360 iron.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-10-30 00:49 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: The Good Ol' Days of Computing? |
| Message-ID | <DGydnUnThPX-c5_0nZ2dnZfqnPednZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #76817 |
On 10/29/25 23:07, rbowman wrote: > On Wed, 29 Oct 2025 21:30:48 -0400, c186282 wrote: > >> It was a huge explosion of skills that found many (and many >> *profitable*) business lines down the road. >> >> Without PCs, well, I think it'd all still be Big Iron and paper punch >> tape ... > > I took a slightly different path via hardware industrial control systems > to early MCUs but I had about zero interest in FORTRAN on System 360 > iron. Hey, it had it's place - an important place. However tastes/interests vary. "Industrial"/embedded is very interesting, and useful, unto itself. I'm just wondering what 'modern computing' would look like without the cheap 'home pc' push. Shit, no NVidia chips ... those were created for video gamers.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-10-30 06:29 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: The Good Ol' Days of Computing? |
| Message-ID | <mmgeu9Fcu3gU3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #76818 |
On Thu, 30 Oct 2025 00:49:41 -0400, c186282 wrote: > Hey, it had it's place - an important place. However tastes/interests > vary. > > "Industrial"/embedded is very interesting, and useful, > unto itself. > > I'm just wondering what 'modern computing' would look like without > the cheap 'home pc' push. Chromebooks... IBMs vision has always been thin clients with everything running on big iron. MS is going that way too. Works like a champ unless somebody screws up AWS's DNS.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-30 07:00 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: The Good Ol' Days of Computing? |
| Message-ID | <10dv2f7$3ga6g$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #76821 |
On 30/10/2025 06:29, rbowman wrote: > IBMs vision has always been thin clients with everything > running on big iron. MS is going that way too. Works like a champ unless > somebody screws up AWS's DNS. ...again... -- "It is an established fact to 97% confidence limits that left wing conspirators see right wing conspiracies everywhere"
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-10-30 11:32 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: The Good Ol' Days of Computing? |
| Message-ID | <OkCdnf-c3duKGJ70nZ2dnZfqn_GdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #76823 |
On 10/30/25 03:00, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 30/10/2025 06:29, rbowman wrote: >> IBMs vision has always been thin clients with everything >> running on big iron. MS is going that way too. Works like a champ unless >> somebody screws up AWS's DNS. > ...again... Yea ... that's getting more common - and Vlad/Xi are helping it along. I see the Azure cloud had a big problem just yesterday. AWS a couple days before.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-30 16:39 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: The Good Ol' Days of Computing? |
| Message-ID | <10e04cl$3qlli$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #76826 |
On 30/10/2025 15:32, c186282 wrote: > On 10/30/25 03:00, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> On 30/10/2025 06:29, rbowman wrote: >>> IBMs vision has always been thin clients with everything >>> running on big iron. MS is going that way too. Works like a champ >>> unless >>> somebody screws up AWS's DNS. > >> ...again... > > Yea ... that's getting more common - and Vlad/Xi are > helping it along. > > I see the Azure cloud had a big problem just yesterday. > AWS a couple days before. > Yup. WWIII has been running for 60 years. When Russia finally flushes itself down the toilet it will be interesting to see which political movements simply vanish. -- Civilization exists by geological consent, subject to change without notice. – Will Durant
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-10-30 11:29 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: The Good Ol' Days of Computing? |
| Message-ID | <usicnT3FytLyGZ70nZ2dnZfqn_udnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #76821 |
On 10/30/25 02:29, rbowman wrote: > On Thu, 30 Oct 2025 00:49:41 -0400, c186282 wrote: > >> Hey, it had it's place - an important place. However tastes/interests >> vary. >> >> "Industrial"/embedded is very interesting, and useful, >> unto itself. >> >> I'm just wondering what 'modern computing' would look like without >> the cheap 'home pc' push. > > Chromebooks... IBMs vision has always been thin clients with everything > running on big iron. MS is going that way too. Works like a champ unless > somebody screws up AWS's DNS. AND you have a really high speed connection ... The "big iron" push is all about $$$ and Control, not freedom and variety and innovation.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-30 16:37 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: The Good Ol' Days of Computing? |
| Message-ID | <10e0491$3qlli$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #76825 |
On 30/10/2025 15:29, c186282 wrote: > On 10/30/25 02:29, rbowman wrote: >> On Thu, 30 Oct 2025 00:49:41 -0400, c186282 wrote: >> >>> Hey, it had it's place - an important place. However >>> tastes/interests >>> vary. >>> >>> "Industrial"/embedded is very interesting, and useful, >>> unto itself. >>> >>> I'm just wondering what 'modern computing' would look like without >>> the cheap 'home pc' push. >> >> Chromebooks... IBMs vision has always been thin clients with everything >> running on big iron. MS is going that way too. Works like a champ unless >> somebody screws up AWS's DNS. > > AND you have a really high speed connection ... > > The "big iron" push is all about $$$ and Control, not > freedom and variety and innovation. > Sooner or later its all going to collapse. -- Civilization exists by geological consent, subject to change without notice. – Will Durant
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-10-30 20:21 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: The Good Ol' Days of Computing? |
| Message-ID | <mmhvm5Fkmn2U10@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #76825 |
On Thu, 30 Oct 2025 11:29:50 -0400, c186282 wrote: > On 10/30/25 02:29, rbowman wrote: >> On Thu, 30 Oct 2025 00:49:41 -0400, c186282 wrote: >> >>> Hey, it had it's place - an important place. However >>> tastes/interests vary. >>> >>> "Industrial"/embedded is very interesting, and useful, >>> unto itself. >>> >>> I'm just wondering what 'modern computing' would look like without >>> the cheap 'home pc' push. >> >> Chromebooks... IBMs vision has always been thin clients with everything >> running on big iron. MS is going that way too. Works like a champ >> unless somebody screws up AWS's DNS. > > AND you have a really high speed connection ... AOL on dialup. Enuf said.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-10-31 04:01 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: The Good Ol' Days of Computing? |
| Message-ID | <mmiqllFodrtU11@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #76836 |
On 30 Oct 2025 20:21:26 GMT, rbowman wrote: > On Thu, 30 Oct 2025 11:29:50 -0400, c186282 wrote: > >> On 10/30/25 02:29, rbowman wrote: >>> On Thu, 30 Oct 2025 00:49:41 -0400, c186282 wrote: >>> >>>> Hey, it had it's place - an important place. However >>>> tastes/interests vary. >>>> >>>> "Industrial"/embedded is very interesting, and useful, >>>> unto itself. >>>> >>>> I'm just wondering what 'modern computing' would look like >>>> without the cheap 'home pc' push. >>> >>> Chromebooks... IBMs vision has always been thin clients with >>> everything running on big iron. MS is going that way too. Works like >>> a champ unless somebody screws up AWS's DNS. >> >> AND you have a really high speed connection ... > > AOL on dialup. Enuf said. Replying to my own post with a bit of synchnicity.. theregister.com/2025/10/30/yahoo_sells_aol_to_bending/ I don't know which surprised me more, that AOL was still around or that anyone would buy it. The last paragraph is the howler: "AOL recently switched off the last bits of its dial-up network. The number of customers affected by the termination was said to be in the low thousands."
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| From | John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-10-27 09:21 -0700 |
| Subject | Personal computer (was Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over) |
| Message-ID | <20251027092116.00003792@gmail.com> |
| In reply to | #76744 |
On 27 Oct 2025 14:26:10 GMT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: > > I found the 5150 to be a massive yawn. It wasn't until the Amiga > > came along that I got excited enough to buy a new machine. > > In that era people would ask me 'You work with computers.' What kind > should I buy?' I didn't have a good answer. I made my living with > computers but I wasn't sure what Joe Sixpack would do with one. > > Some nerds did find uses but there were many TRS-80s, PETs, PC Jrs, > TI 99s, and so forth gathering dust because people were buying them > in sort of a madness of crowds. Yes and no. There was a fad element (there always is, it's wired into human instinct,) but the '80s - early '90s were also a magical-ish time where *A.* a lot of people already had hobbies, and found innovative ways to use these newfangled machines for them, *B.* a lot of other people found new hobbies in the process of exploring what the geegaw they bought on a whim could actually *do,* and *C.* personal computers were only hampered by weak hardware and sloppy OS design, rather than being deliberately trapped in a walled garden by the manufacturer.* * (For the most part. Not to say that some parties didn't try, most notably TI and Atari, but the latter at least was comprehensively documented by hobbyists in spite of that, and they never had any mechanism to *enforce* it aside from lock-in-through-obscurity.) I recall my mother, f'rexample, branching out into MIDI arrangement not because she'd had any plans to do so, but because my dad brought home a cast-off Mac from his workplace and we'd coincidentally just bought a digital piano to replace our bulky old upright. Nothing world-changing, but a good example of what people learned by just playing around. It's a shame to see what's become of the industry - for a minute there, we really did get a little taste of what computer-as-assistive-tool-for- the-individual-mind could do for people... (Frankly, I'm of the opinion that "Joe Sixpack" is a myth, a kind of median figure arrived at by shaving all the corners off of real people so that they can be more-or-less jammed into a preconceived round hole; unfortunately, it's a myth with a great deal of utility to the Powers That Be, who have expended a tremendous amount of social-engineering effort in the last 20 years trying to convince people that the Median Human is "normal" and what they should want to be. It's encouraging to see the recent boom in craft hobbies and makerspace groups indicating that they haven't been quite as successful as I worried they had.)
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-27 16:53 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Personal computer (was Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over) |
| Message-ID | <10do81j$111tg$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #76747 |
On 27/10/2025 16:21, John Ames wrote: > (Frankly, I'm of the opinion that "Joe Sixpack" is a myth, a kind of > median figure arrived at by shaving all the corners off of real people > so that they can be more-or-less jammed into a preconceived round hole; > unfortunately, it's a myth with a great deal of utility to the Powers > That Be, who have expended a tremendous amount of social-engineering > effort in the last 20 years trying to convince people that the Median > Human is "normal" and what they should want to be. It's encouraging to > see the recent boom in craft hobbies and makerspace groups indicating > that they haven't been quite as successful as I worried they had.) "We are Normal, and We Want Our Freedom" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpJsHPM1KbU -- Microsoft : the best reason to go to Linux that ever existed.
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| From | Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> |
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| Date | 2025-10-27 13:48 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: Personal computer (was Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over) |
| Message-ID | <10dob9g$11mbi$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #76747 |
John Ames wrote this post by blinking in Morse code: > On 27 Oct 2025 14:26:10 GMT > rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: > >> <snip> > > I recall my mother, f'rexample, branching out into MIDI arrangement not > because she'd had any plans to do so, but because my dad brought home a > cast-off Mac from his workplace and we'd coincidentally just bought a > digital piano to replace our bulky old upright. Nothing world-changing, > but a good example of what people learned by just playing around. It's > a shame to see what's become of the industry - for a minute there, we > really did get a little taste of what computer-as-assistive-tool-for- > the-individual-mind could do for people... The Atari ST and a Casio 8-note keyboard got me started in MIDI. > <snip> -- Writing non-free software is not an ethically legitimate activity, so if people who do this run into trouble, that's good! All businesses based on non-free software ought to fail, and the sooner the better. -- Richard Stallman
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-10-27 20:53 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Personal computer (was Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over) |
| Message-ID | <mma4epFb82dU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #76752 |
On Mon, 27 Oct 2025 13:48:32 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote: > John Ames wrote this post by blinking in Morse code: > >> On 27 Oct 2025 14:26:10 GMT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: >> >>> <snip> >> >> I recall my mother, f'rexample, branching out into MIDI arrangement not >> because she'd had any plans to do so, but because my dad brought home a >> cast-off Mac from his workplace and we'd coincidentally just bought a >> digital piano to replace our bulky old upright. Nothing world-changing, >> but a good example of what people learned by just playing around. It's >> a shame to see what's become of the industry - for a minute there, we >> really did get a little taste of what computer-as-assistive-tool-for- >> the-individual-mind could do for people... > > The Atari ST and a Casio 8-note keyboard got me started in MIDI. Says something about me that I've never done anything with MIDI or had any interest in it. otoh, lemme see, I've got 3 acoustic guitars, one of which is a 12 string, 2 electric guitars, a banjo, a silver flute, a couple of Irish flutes, a bunch of tin whistles in various keys, several harmonicas in different keys, an alto recorder, and an ocarina. Never did figure out the ocarina. Should have went with MIDI; like e-books it takes a lot less room.
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| From | John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-10-27 13:56 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Personal computer (was Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over) |
| Message-ID | <20251027135620.0000727d@gmail.com> |
| In reply to | #76755 |
On 27 Oct 2025 20:53:45 GMT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: > > The Atari ST and a Casio 8-note keyboard got me started in MIDI. > > Says something about me that I've never done anything with MIDI or > had any interest in it. otoh, lemme see, I've got 3 acoustic guitars, > one of which is a 12 string, 2 electric guitars, a banjo, a silver > flute, a couple of Irish flutes, a bunch of tin whistles in various > keys, several harmonicas in different keys, an alto recorder, and an > ocarina. Never did figure out the ocarina. Should have went with > MIDI; like e-books it takes a lot less room. If it's any consolation, getting into MIDI just means you accumulate hardware synthesizers instead of/in addition to the above ;)
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| From | Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> |
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| Date | 2025-10-28 06:30 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: Personal computer (was Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over) |
| Message-ID | <10dq603$1r51o$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #76756 |
John Ames wrote this post by blinking in Morse code:
> On 27 Oct 2025 20:53:45 GMT
> rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>
>> > The Atari ST and a Casio 8-note keyboard got me started in MIDI.
>>
>> Says something about me that I've never done anything with MIDI or
>> had any interest in it. otoh, lemme see, I've got 3 acoustic guitars,
>> one of which is a 12 string, 2 electric guitars, a banjo, a silver
>> flute, a couple of Irish flutes, a bunch of tin whistles in various
>> keys, several harmonicas in different keys, an alto recorder, and an
>> ocarina. Never did figure out the ocarina. Should have went with
>> MIDI; like e-books it takes a lot less room.
>
> If it's any consolation, getting into MIDI just means you accumulate
> hardware synthesizers instead of/in addition to the above ;)
There's a shit-ton of software synthesizer apps for Linux,
Windows, and Mac. But I do have the following hardware:
- Roland MT-32 synth. Bought that living in L.A., from a guy
who was a colleague of Herbie Hancock and who also owned
an Atari ST.
- Alesis Q-25 MIDI controller, which I run into the MT-32,
which sends the audio to...
- A small Behringer USB audio codec box which goes to ...
- A USB filter to clean up the noise.
- Korg nanokey2 MIDI controller. Fits in a laptop bag.
- Akai MPK Mini Play controller/sound generator. It has
a weird restricted MIDI implementation, but is good
to sit with and improve my execrable keyboard skills
- Novation LaunchPad Mini 8x8 controller. My software
project can be configured to use it to control patterns
and display status, no need for Ableton Live.
Damn, I do go on!
--
It is easier to run down a hill than up one.
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| From | John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-10-28 08:15 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Personal computer (was Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over) |
| Message-ID | <20251028081548.00001124@gmail.com> |
| In reply to | #76775 |
On Tue, 28 Oct 2025 06:30:27 -0400 Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote: > > If it's any consolation, getting into MIDI just means you accumulate > > hardware synthesizers instead of/in addition to the above ;) > > There's a shit-ton of software synthesizer apps for Linux, > Windows, and Mac. But I do have the following hardware: > > - Roland MT-32 synth. Bought that living in L.A., from a guy > who was a colleague of Herbie Hancock and who also owned > an Atari ST. Yeah, that's a fun little box - not nearly as flexible for patching as the D-50, but the core sound is quite close and it's multitimbral. And of course there's all the old games that support it ;) (Softsynths are certainly convenient wrt. space and price, but there's a certain primal itch with twiddling controls on a dedicated panel that multipurpose MIDI controllers just don't scratch...)
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-10-28 19:44 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Personal computer (was Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over) |
| Message-ID | <mmcko9Fn64jU9@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #76778 |
On 28 Oct 2025 15:43:25 GMT, Stefan Ram wrote: > I use MIDI software to translate melodies from my head to sheet > notation, so that I can then check them and finally convert them to > ASCII, like, can you guess the name of this song (notation only > approximately!)? Ever use TablEdit? https://tabledit.com/ I only ever had TEFView and that was my first brush with wine. Maybe wine has improved over the years but at the time it wasn't up to MIDI. TuxGuitar doesn't do it for me either. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TuxGuitar It does have the remarkable ability to make a banjo tef sound like a strangled guitar.
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