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Framework Steps Into It rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-15 21:39 +0000
Re: Framework Steps Into It Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2025-10-16 21:37 +0200
Re: Framework Steps Into It rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-17 01:52 +0000
Re: Framework Steps Into It Jason H <jason_hindle@yahoo.com> - 2025-10-17 21:08 +0000
Re: Framework Steps Into It Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2025-10-18 08:20 +0200
Re: Framework Steps Into It Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-18 06:33 +0000
Re: Framework Steps Into It rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-18 19:40 +0000
Re: Framework Steps Into It Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2025-10-22 06:41 +0200
Re: Framework Steps Into It Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-22 21:46 +0000
Re: Framework Steps Into It Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-10-25 12:52 +0000
Re: Framework Steps Into It The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-25 16:46 +0100
Re: Framework Steps Into It The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-18 10:37 +0100
Re: Framework Steps Into It Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2025-10-19 21:19 +0000
Re: Framework Steps Into It The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-20 17:05 +0100
Re: Framework Steps Into It Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2025-10-21 12:00 +0000
Re: Framework Steps Into It Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-10-21 13:37 +0100
Re: Framework Steps Into It The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-21 15:37 +0100
Re: Framework Steps Into It rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-21 19:26 +0000
Re: Framework Steps Into It The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-22 11:35 +0100
Re: Framework Steps Into It Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-10-22 14:34 +0100
Re: Framework Steps Into It rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-22 20:41 +0000
Re: Framework Steps Into It Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-22 15:18 -0700
Re: Framework Steps Into It The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-23 08:57 +0100
Re: Framework Steps Into It rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-23 20:16 +0000
Re: Framework Steps Into It Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-23 20:30 -0700
Re: Framework Steps Into It rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-24 05:28 +0000
Re: Framework Steps Into It Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-23 23:09 -0700
Re: Framework Steps Into It rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-24 18:50 +0000
Re: Framework Steps Into It The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-24 10:13 +0100
Re: Framework Steps Into It Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-10-24 10:25 +0100
Re: Framework Steps Into It The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-24 11:51 +0100
Re: Framework Steps Into It Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-10-24 17:06 +0100
Re: Framework Steps Into It rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-24 19:02 +0000
Re: Framework Steps Into It The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-25 10:38 +0100
Re: Framework Steps Into It rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-24 18:54 +0000
Re: Framework Steps Into It Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-24 21:09 +0000
Re: Framework Steps Into It Joerg Walther <joerg.walther@magenta.de> - 2025-10-25 10:45 +0200
Re: Framework Steps Into It The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-25 10:43 +0100
Re: Framework Steps Into It Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-10-23 08:54 +0100
Re: Framework Steps Into It Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-22 18:03 +0000
Re: Framework Steps Into It rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-22 20:38 +0000
Re: Framework Steps Into It Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-21 22:55 +0000
Re: Framework Steps Into It Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-10-22 14:15 +0100
Re: Framework Steps Into It Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-22 21:48 +0000
Re: Framework Steps Into It Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-10-23 09:12 +0100
Re: Framework Steps Into It Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2025-10-23 10:11 +0000
Re: Framework Steps Into It rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-23 20:10 +0000
Re: Framework Steps Into It Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-23 21:00 +0000
Re: Framework Steps Into It Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-10-24 09:44 +0100
Re: Framework Steps Into It Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-24 20:42 +0000
Re: Framework Steps Into It Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-24 23:01 +0000
Re: Framework Steps Into It Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-25 01:05 +0000
Re: Framework Steps Into It Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2025-10-22 11:31 +0000
Re: Framework Steps Into It The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-22 12:51 +0100
Re: Framework Steps Into It Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-23 00:08 +0000
Re: Framework Steps Into It Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-23 04:01 +0000
Re: Framework Steps Into It Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2025-10-23 10:09 +0000
Re: Framework Steps Into It Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-23 09:59 -0700
Re: Framework Steps Into It The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-23 18:55 +0100
Re: Framework Steps Into It "Rinaldi J. Montessi" <rinaldij@dev.null> - 2025-10-23 13:29 -0500
Re: Framework Steps Into It rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-23 20:14 +0000
Re: Framework Steps Into It Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-23 20:47 -0700
Re: Framework Steps Into It The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-24 10:14 +0100
Re: Framework Steps Into It rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-24 18:44 +0000
Re: Framework Steps Into It Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-24 12:55 -0700
Re: Framework Steps Into It rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-25 02:05 +0000
Re: Framework Steps Into It Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-24 21:45 -0700
Re: Framework Steps Into It "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-25 15:06 +0200
Re: Framework Steps Into It rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-25 19:55 +0000
Re: Framework Steps Into It Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-25 14:45 -0700
Re: Framework Steps Into It Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-26 01:37 +0100
Re: Framework Steps Into It Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-25 21:01 -0700
Re: Framework Steps Into It rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-26 02:10 +0000
Re: Framework Steps Into It Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-25 21:13 -0700
Re: Framework Steps Into It rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-26 07:22 +0000
Re: Framework Steps Into It Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-24 20:43 +0000
Re: Framework Steps Into It Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-23 21:03 +0000
Re: Framework Steps Into It c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-23 00:08 -0400
Re: Framework Steps Into It The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-21 15:33 +0100
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-10-23 20:14 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mlvgl3Fgc64U10@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #76589 |
On Thu, 23 Oct 2025 13:29:48 -0500, Rinaldi J. Montessi wrote: > On 10/23/25 11:59, Bobbie Sellers wrote: >> >> ...This is presently >> the case with Transgendered folks, a tiny minority of American Citizens >> who are under attack from US states and Federal authorities. > > Seriously? I think twerking and suggestive dancing in elementary > schools is a bit premature. My missal had a section to help you prepare for confession. One activity listed was 'passionate dancing'. "Sister Mary Elephant, what is passionate dancing?'
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| From | Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> |
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| Date | 2025-10-23 20:47 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <10dessn$2av5h$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #76589 |
On 10/23/25 11:29, Rinaldi J. Montessi wrote:
> On 10/23/25 11:59, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
>>
>> ...This is presently
>> the case with Transgendered folks, a tiny minority of American Citizens
>> who are under attack from US states and Federal authorities.
>
> Seriously? I think twerking and suggestive dancing in elementary
> schools is a bit premature.
>
> Is that an attack?
I don't know but I doubt much of that is going on.
I do know that outright lies have been told about surgery being done on
children with no parental consultations.
I do know that many people do not understand the deep feelings
which pervade the consciousness of a transgender individual.
On the basis of that failure of imagination they advance measures
to bar children from the use of restrooms segregated by sex and
attempt to bar adults form the use of such facilities. That is very
cruel and stupid in my humble opinion. It also leads directly to Home
Schooling which is not a good thing in my opinion. Few parents have
the knowledge required for such an endeavor.
Mr.Trump in his deep and wide ignorance of matters aside from
cheating on taxes stated that schools were sending home girls who had
been boys and that is completely ridiculous. He also considers that
all transgender people are immoral and somehow sinful despite clear
evidence in the Bible that transgendered folks existed before hand
and were not condemned.
I will say that some mentally disordered persons decide that they
must be transgender and refuse to take their prescribed medications
and make even more serious mistakes. Suicide in my personal belief
is a a very serious mistake. No suicide eats chocolate afterwards.
Adios, Rinaldi.
bliss - Dell Precision 7730- PCLOS 2025.10 Linux 6.12.54-pclos1- KDE
Plasma 6.5.0
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-24 10:14 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <10dfg24$2fq9e$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #76612 |
On 24/10/2025 04:47, Bobbie Sellers wrote: > > On 10/23/25 11:29, Rinaldi J. Montessi wrote: >> On 10/23/25 11:59, Bobbie Sellers wrote: >>> >>> ...This is presently >>> the case with Transgendered folks, a tiny minority of American Citizens >>> who are under attack from US states and Federal authorities. >> >> Seriously? I think twerking and suggestive dancing in elementary >> schools is a bit premature. >> >> Is that an attack? > > I don't know but I doubt much of that is going on. > I do know that outright lies have been told about surgery being done on > children with no parental consultations. > I do know that many people do not understand the deep feelings > which pervade the consciousness of a transgender individual. > On the basis of that failure of imagination they advance measures > to bar children from the use of restrooms segregated by sex and > attempt to bar adults form the use of such facilities. That is very > cruel and stupid in my humble opinion. It also leads directly to Home > Schooling which is not a good thing in my opinion. Few parents have > the knowledge required for such an endeavor. > > Mr.Trump in his deep and wide ignorance of matters aside from > cheating on taxes stated that schools were sending home girls who had > been boys and that is completely ridiculous. He also considers that > all transgender people are immoral and somehow sinful despite clear > evidence in the Bible that transgendered folks existed before hand > and were not condemned. > > I will say that some mentally disordered persons decide that they > must be transgender and refuse to take their prescribed medications > and make even more serious mistakes. Suicide in my personal belief > is a a very serious mistake. No suicide eats chocolate afterwards. > > Adios, Rinaldi. > > bliss - Dell Precision 7730- PCLOS 2025.10 Linux 6.12.54-pclos1- KDE > Plasma 6.5.0 > You dont cure mental illness with surgery. -- In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is. -- Yogi Berra
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-10-24 18:44 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mm1vovFtktmU7@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #76627 |
On Fri, 24 Oct 2025 10:14:44 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 24/10/2025 04:47, Bobbie Sellers wrote: >> >> On 10/23/25 11:29, Rinaldi J. Montessi wrote: >>> On 10/23/25 11:59, Bobbie Sellers wrote: >>>> >>>> ...This is presently >>>> the case with Transgendered folks, a tiny minority of American >>>> Citizens who are under attack from US states and Federal authorities. >>> >>> Seriously? I think twerking and suggestive dancing in elementary >>> schools is a bit premature. >>> >>> Is that an attack? >> >> I don't know but I doubt much of that is going on. >> I do know that outright lies have been told about surgery being done on >> children with no parental consultations. >> I do know that many people do not understand the deep feelings >> which pervade the consciousness of a transgender individual. >> On the basis of that failure of imagination they advance >> measures >> to bar children from the use of restrooms segregated by sex and attempt >> to bar adults form the use of such facilities. That is very cruel and >> stupid in my humble opinion. It also leads directly to Home Schooling >> which is not a good thing in my opinion. Few parents have the knowledge >> required for such an endeavor. >> >> Mr.Trump in his deep and wide ignorance of matters >> aside from >> cheating on taxes stated that schools were sending home girls who had >> been boys and that is completely ridiculous. He also considers that >> all transgender people are immoral and somehow sinful despite clear >> evidence in the Bible that transgendered folks existed before hand and >> were not condemned. >> >> I will say that some mentally disordered persons decide that >> they >> must be transgender and refuse to take their prescribed medications and >> make even more serious mistakes. Suicide in my personal belief is a a >> very serious mistake. No suicide eats chocolate afterwards. >> >> Adios, Rinaldi. >> >> bliss - Dell Precision 7730- PCLOS 2025.10 Linux 6.12.54-pclos1- KDE >> Plasma 6.5.0 >> > You dont cure mental illness with surgery. Yeah, they've given up on prefrontal lobotomies.
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| From | Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> |
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| Date | 2025-10-24 12:55 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <10dglkc$2ra9o$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #76633 |
On 10/24/25 11:44, rbowman wrote: > On Fri, 24 Oct 2025 10:14:44 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >> On 24/10/2025 04:47, Bobbie Sellers wrote: >>> >>> On 10/23/25 11:29, Rinaldi J. Montessi wrote: >>>> On 10/23/25 11:59, Bobbie Sellers wrote: >>>>> >>>>> ...This is presently >>>>> the case with Transgendered folks, a tiny minority of American >>>>> Citizens who are under attack from US states and Federal authorities. >>>> >>>> Seriously? I think twerking and suggestive dancing in elementary >>>> schools is a bit premature. >>>> >>>> Is that an attack? >>> >>> I don't know but I doubt much of that is going on. >>> I do know that outright lies have been told about surgery being done on >>> children with no parental consultations. >>> I do know that many people do not understand the deep feelings >>> which pervade the consciousness of a transgender individual. >>> On the basis of that failure of imagination they advance >>> measures >>> to bar children from the use of restrooms segregated by sex and attempt >>> to bar adults form the use of such facilities. That is very cruel and >>> stupid in my humble opinion. It also leads directly to Home Schooling >>> which is not a good thing in my opinion. Few parents have the knowledge >>> required for such an endeavor. >>> >>> Mr.Trump in his deep and wide ignorance of matters >>> aside from >>> cheating on taxes stated that schools were sending home girls who had >>> been boys and that is completely ridiculous. He also considers that >>> all transgender people are immoral and somehow sinful despite clear >>> evidence in the Bible that transgendered folks existed before hand and >>> were not condemned. >>> >>> I will say that some mentally disordered persons decide that >>> they >>> must be transgender and refuse to take their prescribed medications and >>> make even more serious mistakes. Suicide in my personal belief is a a >>> very serious mistake. No suicide eats chocolate afterwards. >>> >>> Adios, Rinaldi. >>> >>> bliss - Dell Precision 7730- PCLOS 2025.10 Linux 6.12.54-pclos1- KDE >>> Plasma 6.5.0 >>> >> You dont cure mental illness with surgery. That depends entirely on the surgery and on the mental illness.> > Yeah, they've given up on prefrontal lobotomies. I took very little care of a former Marine who tried to commit suicide with his .45 semi-auto when he found out he was gay in the 1950s. Blinded himself and did a prefrontal destruction. He was on a different ward than I usually worked on and tended toward violent reactions to unfamiliar people. Well some people have but on the other hand convulsant therapy is still used. Caused some problems for one Transgender of my former acquaintance but it cleared up some notions regarding religion when the religionists in question sent her to a neurologist who helped her. She is/was pretty successful after that. bliss - nurses tend to meet all sorts of people. >
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-10-25 02:05 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mm2pjcF2uhpU5@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #76642 |
On Fri, 24 Oct 2025 12:55:55 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote: > I took very little care of a former Marine who tried to commit suicide > with > his .45 semi-auto when he found out he was gay in the 1950s. Blinded > himself and did a prefrontal destruction. He was on a different ward > than I usually worked on and tended toward violent reactions to > unfamiliar people. One recruit announced he was gay in a bid to get discharged. The DI took him to the center of the squad bay, handed him a broom, and told him to show us all what queers did. He then explained that they would go to his home town, and ask his parents, friends and teachers if he really was gay. He decided he wasn't. I watched about 5 minutes of 'Boots' before I figured out what it was about. Maybe the Crotch was a kinder, gentler place by the '90s. Gotta watch those 1911s. Bo Gritz tried to kill himself with one while seated in his pickup and missed. Apropos of the above another DI explained if you wanted to kill yourself by bleeding out you didn't make a couple of little slashes across your wrist like a teenage girl; you sliced the vein down the length of your forearm.
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| From | Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> |
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| Date | 2025-10-24 21:45 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <10dhklp$331ua$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #76652 |
On 10/24/25 19:05, rbowman wrote: > On Fri, 24 Oct 2025 12:55:55 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote: > >> I took very little care of a former Marine who tried to commit > suicide >> with >> his .45 semi-auto when he found out he was gay in the 1950s. Blinded >> himself and did a prefrontal destruction. He was on a different ward >> than I usually worked on and tended toward violent reactions to >> unfamiliar people. > > One recruit announced he was gay in a bid to get discharged. The DI took > him to the center of the squad bay, handed him a broom, and told him to > show us all what queers did. He then explained that they would go to his > home town, and ask his parents, friends and teachers if he really was gay. > He decided he wasn't. > > I watched about 5 minutes of 'Boots' before I figured out what it was > about. Maybe the Crotch was a kinder, gentler place by the '90s. > > Gotta watch those 1911s. Bo Gritz tried to kill himself with one while > seated in his pickup and missed. > > Apropos of the above another DI explained if you wanted to kill yourself > by bleeding out you didn't make a couple of little slashes across your > wrist like a teenage girl; you sliced the vein down the length of your > forearm. > One person probably a schizophrenic who merely thought that he was a transgender woman and did have surgery committed suicide with sleeping pills in a bathtub. I noticed that this person had left a window of her apartment open. I investigated and found her there and tried to get the policie to come finally flagged down a patrol car in the street to get the attention. Another a very amiable sort of model who was friendly not only with the old nurse but with very rough characters, returned to NYC got addicted to heroin after surgery and tried to use methadone to get off but still hung with the others and apparently missing the kick from heroin shot up and died. I think there was a third party who suicided but he was hebe-phenic sort of schisophrenic and when Ronald Reagan then Governor of California cut the medications that he depended on off the MediCal formulary, trying to self-medicate drank himself to death. Post-operative transgenders if formerly male are castrates. If they fail to recognize this before hand it may come as quite a shock. I don't know any female transgender persons but sometimes they must make errors in self-diagnosis. Some F>M transgenders are quite prominent in San Francisco but general they go go work and home at night hopefully to a loving relationship. I knew of M>F transgender personsl who married and raised adopted children who went off to college and careers. Most of my information is over 40 years old since I have not worked for some time having gotten post-virual exhaution when I was 46 yoa. That means I do not get around much any more. A trip to the Library is a big thing for me and I have to hold it to no more than once a week. A walk of 6 blocks can leave me having to rest for another 24 hours. I went to a bar today to drink with my friend's friends. Most of mine have died since I was out and about. One thing I can say is that the surgery done on children in regard to genitals are mostly done on a well-known category where their is apparent malformation of the genitals and it is or was done on these intersexual children when they are quit young. But sometimes the surgeons or the parents guess wrong about the inherent gender and the result is a very unhappy child. Mr.Trump now the arbiter of all knowlege denies with his foolish executive order well known facts about intersexuals and transgenders. In this he reveals his facist alignment as the first thing Hitler did when he got power was destroy the only clinic in the world which dealt with homosexuality and transgender persons. <https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-forgotten-history-of-the-worlds-first-trans-clinic/> Because of the negative attention directed by the fascistic radicals of the former Republican Party, rates of depression are going up for most of the LGBTQ youth community. Young transgenders are being denied proper medication which would delay the stress of puberty and feminizing or masculizing hormone therapy. These law makers who assent to these measures have very few medical licenses or even pre-medical degrees to their name. Maybe a law degree, some Doctors of Divinity or a real estate licence. They raise the notion that the transgenders want to use bathrooms to spy on the opposite sex but many of the same people want to deny sexual education to children who might become the victims of real sexual abusers who are not generally strange men or women in dresses but fathers, brothers, older sisters and even mothers. Again they try to restrict competition between genetic females and transgender girls and women but it they went by weight classes they would have fairer competitions beween boys and girls. But men have intruded into women's spaces as long as there was women's space. They don't generally put on dresses to do so. bliss
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-25 15:06 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <jjuuslx7a9.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #76656 |
On 2025-10-25 06:45, Bobbie Sellers wrote: > On 10/24/25 19:05, rbowman wrote: >> On Fri, 24 Oct 2025 12:55:55 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote: ... > > One person probably a schizophrenic who merely thought that he was > a transgender woman and did have surgery committed suicide with sleeping > pills > in a bathtub. I noticed that this person had left a window of her > apartment > open. I investigated and found her there and tried to get the policie > to come > finally flagged down a patrol car in the street to get the attention. ... > Because of the negative attention directed by the fascistic > radicals of > the former Republican Party, rates of depression are going up for most > of the > LGBTQ youth community. Young transgenders are being denied proper > medication which would delay the stress of puberty and feminizing or > masculizing hormone therapy. > These law makers who assent to these measures have very few > medical licenses or even pre-medical degrees to their name. Maybe a law > degree, some Doctors of Divinity or a real estate licence. They raise the > notion that the transgenders want to use bathrooms to spy on the opposite > sex but many of the same people want to deny sexual education to children > who might become the victims of real sexual abusers who are not generally > strange men or women in dresses but fathers, brothers, older sisters and > even mothers. > Again they try to restrict competition between genetic females > and transgender girls and women but it they went by weight classes > they would have fairer competitions beween boys and girls. > But men have intruded into women's spaces as long as there was > women's space. They don't generally put on dresses to do so. It is sad. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-10-25 19:55 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mm4o94FdlkoU7@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #76656 |
On Fri, 24 Oct 2025 21:45:44 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote: > Post-operative transgenders if formerly male are castrates. If they > fail to recognize this before hand it may come as quite a shock. A meme I say recently was 'In 50 years nursing home attendants will be explaining to transexual Alzheimer patients what happened to their dick 20 times a day.' Cruel, but... It doesn't sound like a pleasant life. As I understand it the recreated vagina is basically a wound that requires painful maintenance to prevent it healing.
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| From | Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> |
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| Date | 2025-10-25 14:45 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <10djgdm$3khn5$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #76684 |
On 10/25/25 12:55, rbowman wrote: > On Fri, 24 Oct 2025 21:45:44 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote: > >> Post-operative transgenders if formerly male are castrates. If > they >> fail to recognize this before hand it may come as quite a shock. > > A meme I say recently was 'In 50 years nursing home attendants will be > explaining to transsexual Alzheimer patients what happened to their dick 20 > times a day.' > > Cruel, but... It doesn't sound like a pleasant life. As I understand it > the recreated vagina is basically a wound that requires painful > maintenance to prevent it healing. The need for maintenance depends on the surgeon performing the procedure. People don't get surgery lightly unless they come with a lot of money and pot of stupidity. It has happened to at least one person who won a lottery but I did not know that one personally. It is irreversible generally speaking and comes with years of painful electrolysis or these days for people with dark hair on their faces/bodies laser removal. I doubt transsexuals with dementia of any sort will be asking that since they conform to their dreams. Maybe people who made bad decisions or who only thought they were transgender might ask such questions. bliss>
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| From | Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-26 01:37 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <10djqh1$3mhdm$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #76689 |
On 2025-10-25, Bobbie Sellers wrote: > On 10/25/25 12:55, rbowman wrote: >> On Fri, 24 Oct 2025 21:45:44 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote: >> >>> Post-operative transgenders if formerly male are castrates. If >> they >>> fail to recognize this before hand it may come as quite a shock. >> >> A meme I say recently was 'In 50 years nursing home attendants will be >> explaining to transsexual Alzheimer patients what happened to their dick 20 >> times a day.' What percentage of the nursing home population can be expected to be trans? (Also, 50 years from now? Transsexuality isn't a new concept, wouldn't we be seeing this now already?) > I doubt transsexuals with dementia of any sort will be asking that > since they conform to their dreams. Maybe people who made bad > decisions or who only thought they were transgender might ask such > questions. Yeah, I was wondering, this scenario relies on forgetting stuff, but if one forgets stuff, isn't it more likely that what is remembered is the gender that person perceives deeply to be their gender, and not what some outsider says their gender is? Or is there something I'm missing about dementia? -- Nuno Silva
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| From | Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> |
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| Date | 2025-10-25 21:01 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <10dk6e0$3pl74$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #76692 |
On 10/25/25 17:37, Nuno Silva wrote: > On 2025-10-25, Bobbie Sellers wrote: > >> On 10/25/25 12:55, rbowman wrote: >>> On Fri, 24 Oct 2025 21:45:44 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote: >>> >>>> Post-operative transgenders if formerly male are castrates. If >>> they >>>> fail to recognize this before hand it may come as quite a shock. >>> >>> A meme I say recently was 'In 50 years nursing home attendants will be >>> explaining to transsexual Alzheimer patients what happened to their dick 20 >>> times a day.' > > What percentage of the nursing home population can be expected to be > trans? That would be the same as the occurence of transgenderism in the general population probably less than 1%. > > (Also, 50 years from now? Transsexuality isn't a new concept, wouldn't we > be seeing this now already?) Well it might be happening but I doubt transgenders will have any sot of reaction as they are living the dream. The psuedo -transgenders might show up a bit. > >> I doubt transsexuals with dementia of any sort will be asking that >> since they conform to their dreams. Maybe people who made bad >> decisions or who only thought they were transgender might ask such >> questions. > > Yeah, I was wondering, this scenario relies on forgetting stuff, but if > one forgets stuff, isn't it more likely that what is remembered is the > gender that person perceives deeply to be their gender, and not what > some outsider says their gender is? Or is there something I'm missing > about dementia? > That would be my expectation. Most would be happy to forget they has ever been a male or female. Some demented female to male transgenders might be asking that question? That is because f>m have more compromises to make than m>f because it is much harder to get a peris of your own that to get rid of a penis. bliss
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-10-26 02:10 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mm5e7tFhd5nU3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #76689 |
On Sat, 25 Oct 2025 14:45:26 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote: > I doubt transsexuals with dementia of any sort will be asking that > since they conform to their dreams. Maybe people who made bad decisions > or who only thought they were transgender might ask such questions. Statistically not many will live long enough to reach dementia. https://read.dukeupress.edu/demography/article/59/3/1023/302037/ Differences-in-All-Cause-Mortality-Among I don't know the extent of the body mods, if any, but I knew someone who went from being a stocky, not particularly handsome, middle aged male to a stock, not very pretty, middle aged female. His pedantic, sort of pain in the ass personality did not undergo any transition. Rachel Levine comes to mind.
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| From | Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> |
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| Date | 2025-10-25 21:13 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <10dk755$3pqb9$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #76699 |
On 10/25/25 19:10, rbowman wrote: > On Sat, 25 Oct 2025 14:45:26 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote: > >> I doubt transsexuals with dementia of any sort will be asking that >> since they conform to their dreams. Maybe people who made bad decisions >> or who only thought they were transgender might ask such questions. > > Statistically not many will live long enough to reach dementia. Dementia can happen quite early. But looking at my generation how many people reach 88? My alleged mind might start to crack tomorrow or I could die as I go to the library or worse on return. Worse because my books could become overdue the worst of a reader's many sins. > > https://read.dukeupress.edu/demography/article/59/3/1023/302037/ > Differences-in-All-Cause-Mortality-Among > > I don't know the extent of the body mods, if any, but I knew someone who > went from being a stocky, not particularly handsome, middle aged male to a > stock, not very pretty, middle aged female. His pedantic, sort of pain in > the ass personality did not undergo any transition. Rachel Levine comes to > mind. For the change of Personality it takes another sort of the therapy and rarest of all a desire to change what one is already content with being. This goes right along with the idea that stupid people never realize the limits of their stupidity or competence. This is the Dunning-Kroger effect. bliss
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-10-26 07:22 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mm60htFk631U2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #76700 |
On Sat, 25 Oct 2025 21:13:23 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote: > Dementia can happen quite early. But looking at my generation how many > people reach 88? My alleged mind might start to crack tomorrow or I > could die as I go to the library or worse on return. Worse because my > books could become overdue the worst of a reader's many sins. It was sad watching my brother's gears start to slip and his world get smaller. After a minor accident with a lathe his wife put the kabosh on his woodworking. He was quite good and would sell items at the farmer's markets and so forth. He didn't need the money and probably lost money but he enjoyed it. Then she made him park the RV. Next was the car. He liked to hike in the hills around Vandenberg but after a couple of incidents getting lost that was out and he was limited to walking around the block. No crossing streets. Towards the end he wouldn't eat and just wanted to check out but she kept him alive. If I start down that path I hope I can still remember how to run a .45 -- and do it right. Gotta go for the medulla oblongata, not the stuff that isn't strictly necessary.
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-24 20:43 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10dgocv$2rrqv$5@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #76627 |
On Fri, 24 Oct 2025 10:14:44 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > You dont cure mental illness with surgery. I would describe that as a simplistically dualist preconception.
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-23 21:03 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10de564$250ss$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #76578 |
On Thu, 23 Oct 2025 10:09:29 -0000 (UTC), Borax Man wrote: > There is an endless stream of evidence that people in the Free > Software movement are politically motivated ... I’ve said this myself, haven’t I? Free software is a politically-motivated concept -- no big secret about that. > ... and using their own political values as a means to justify > taking action against others who don't abide. Free software licences do not impose restrictions on the politics of those who use/study/develop/redistribute the software. It’s all there in black and white.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-10-23 00:08 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <GzqdnQ83yJ7ON2T1nZ2dnZfqn_idnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #76520 |
On 10/22/25 07:31, Borax Man wrote: > On 2025-10-21, Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> wrote: >> On 10/21/25 13:00, Borax Man wrote: >> >> >>> Who the hell cares? People are sick and tired of this political >>> rubbish. >>> >>> They are children, wanting others to make some fealty statements >>> otherwise they cry. >>> >>> Frankly, if developers are going to get into a tizzy because others are >>> not going to make subservient political statements that they want them t >>> make, then they can just bugger off. If that means we see less >>> pointless Rust re-writes of existing software, then so be it. >>> >>> We all see through this charade. They are political activists, trying >>> to bully others into being politically active. >>> >>> >> >> I don't mix much with young people, but it seems to me this kind of >> stuff is over-represented in the Linux free software community. >> >> Is there something about Linux development that attracts intolerant >> evangelists. I don't think it is just trans issues, in the past I can >> remember people getting over-heated about boring everyday stuff such as >> bicycle helmets. >> >> It's like they should be taking chill pills. >> >> Are Rust rewrites pointless? It seems to me, a modern OS should be >> written in a modern language. The thing I don't have a feeling for is if >> it is best to incrementally refactor Linux, or if someone should start >> from scratch. >> > > I think they are. If it isn't broken, why fix it? > > I suspect part of the motivatoin for the "rewrite in Rust", is to take > control of the Free Software movement, by moving the major tools from > others to yourself, where you can police and gatekeep the community. If > your half-baked rust version (and they usually are half baked) is what > is now being used by Distros, that gives you power, and you can be more > political. Seems there's been more than mere 'politics' involved in the 'popular solve-everything computer lang/system of the day'. Rust is just the latest FAD. It is little better than 'C' in practice - just a bit more wordy and with even more annoying syntax. I've seen a number of such fads. Remember when you were supposed to redo everything in LISP, then Pascal, then Prolog, then object-whatever and, and, and ... "It's The FUTURE !!!" :-) Rust will also come and then go. However not sure there will be a real replacement this time since 'AI' modular programming is rapidly gaining ascendance. Human tastes and fads won't be much of the picture anymore.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-21 15:33 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <10d85jr$3vp1s$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #76466 |
On 21/10/2025 13:00, Borax Man wrote: > Frankly, if developers Or anyone else for that matter... > are going to get into a tizzy because others are not going to make > subservient political statements that they want them t make, then > they can just bugger off. If that means we see less pointless Rust > re-writes of existing software, then so be it. > > We all see through this charade. They are political activists, > trying to bully others into being politically active. Indeed. The number of transgender people with actual 'gender dysphoria' is probably vanishingly small. The rest are simply mentally abnormal. I;ve sen a couple of girls who simply don't want to face up to puberty (possibly abused) and the hormone changes, and a boy who just likes play acting. No problem with that. Who isn't? But the rest of us get to try and rub along with each other and play nice. Not rub others noses in it and demand that or idiosyncrasies are 'respected', or we get fired... -- Those who want slavery should have the grace to name it by its proper name. They must face the full meaning of that which they are advocating or condoning; the full, exact, specific meaning of collectivism, of its logical implications, of the principles upon which it is based, and of the ultimate consequences to which these principles will lead. They must face it, then decide whether this is what they want or not. Ayn Rand.
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