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| Started by | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| First post | 2025-10-10 01:30 -0400 |
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Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-10 01:30 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-10-10 08:20 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-10 11:03 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-10 11:42 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-11 02:15 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-11 11:09 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-11 11:57 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-12 12:53 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-12 17:50 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-11 21:30 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-12 12:56 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-11 02:15 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-10-10 09:29 +0200
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-10 03:34 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-10-10 13:06 +0200
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-11 02:17 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-10 21:42 +0200
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-10-10 23:02 +0200
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-11 02:42 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-11 18:48 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-11 22:15 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-12 23:08 +0200
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security apapmurray <apap.murray@mail.com> - 2025-10-11 14:26 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-13 03:07 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-13 10:42 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-10-13 12:47 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-13 16:34 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-13 17:41 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-13 19:07 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-13 18:22 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-14 01:44 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-14 06:36 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-14 10:40 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-14 23:02 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-14 23:31 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-15 01:25 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-14 22:57 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-10-17 16:13 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-17 22:55 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-18 05:40 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-18 03:12 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-18 11:16 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-18 21:54 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-19 03:32 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-20 18:01 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-20 20:52 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-21 02:25 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-21 00:47 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-21 09:42 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-21 22:58 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-21 23:52 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-22 05:31 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-22 01:57 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-22 12:12 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-22 23:57 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-23 04:06 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-22 21:45 -0700
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-23 03:22 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-23 19:30 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-23 09:05 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-23 19:35 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-23 09:04 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-23 19:16 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-22 05:19 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-22 12:39 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-22 18:03 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-22 15:27 -0700
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-21 22:42 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-18 18:42 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-19 04:24 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-19 11:34 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-18 11:06 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-19 03:04 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-19 19:33 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-20 01:40 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-20 10:03 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-20 23:31 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-21 09:28 +0100
Logic [Was: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security] "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-18 20:12 +0200
Re: Logic [Was: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security] c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-19 04:16 -0400
Re: Logic [Was: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security] "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-19 14:03 +0200
Re: Logic [Was: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security] Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-19 22:50 +0100
Re: Logic [Was: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security] "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-20 00:18 +0200
Re: Logic [Was: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security] Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-20 01:57 +0000
Re: Logic [Was: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security] rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-20 05:14 +0000
Re: Logic [Was: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security] "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-20 10:18 +0200
Re: Logic [Was: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security] c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-20 02:10 -0400
Re: Logic [Was: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security] Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-20 18:01 +0000
Re: Logic [Was: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security] rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-20 04:57 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-15 05:27 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-15 12:18 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-16 01:03 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-15 05:36 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-15 05:23 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-15 05:10 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-14 19:34 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-15 12:24 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-15 21:11 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-16 01:54 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-16 07:02 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-10-17 16:17 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-17 17:30 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-16 00:16 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-16 02:32 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-16 11:55 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-16 01:19 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-16 11:29 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-17 00:48 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-17 22:41 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-18 05:29 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-18 02:45 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-18 10:53 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-19 02:38 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-18 17:39 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-18 18:50 -0700
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-19 04:26 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-19 11:37 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-19 03:52 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-19 12:02 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-18 18:31 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-18 18:51 -0700
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-19 04:23 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-19 11:31 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-18 10:50 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-18 18:40 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-19 11:33 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-19 19:10 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-20 01:10 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-20 10:02 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-20 18:55 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-20 12:30 -0700
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-20 20:57 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-21 00:31 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-21 09:37 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-10-21 13:54 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-21 15:46 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-21 23:02 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-22 00:13 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-22 04:44 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-22 01:49 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-22 12:35 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-22 12:35 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-22 18:03 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-10-22 14:50 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-22 15:01 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-22 21:50 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-10-23 09:43 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-23 18:56 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-23 00:32 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-23 09:11 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-21 23:17 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-22 11:58 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-21 22:22 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-22 04:36 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-22 01:36 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-22 11:42 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-21 00:06 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-20 20:56 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-21 02:45 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-21 01:09 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-21 19:13 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-22 11:38 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-22 21:49 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-22 23:20 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-19 02:37 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-19 11:53 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-18 10:47 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-19 02:35 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-19 11:49 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-20 01:59 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-20 02:28 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-10-17 16:19 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-17 22:07 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-17 17:57 -0700
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-18 10:44 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-19 02:15 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-19 11:39 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-17 22:52 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-18 11:02 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-19 02:50 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-19 11:57 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-10-13 11:45 -0700
Recursion and Fibonnaci (was: Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-13 23:26 +0100
Re: Recursion and Fibonnaci Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-10-14 00:13 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-14 00:13 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-14 10:18 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-10-14 10:31 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-14 11:08 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-14 19:02 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-14 21:46 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-15 04:46 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-15 05:36 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-15 12:13 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-15 21:07 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-14 23:11 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-14 18:50 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-15 12:13 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-15 21:14 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-16 02:23 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-16 00:21 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-16 02:39 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-16 07:15 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-16 07:12 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-16 18:43 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-14 17:20 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-15 12:08 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-14 18:31 +0000
Computer Science (was: Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-14 23:27 +0100
Re: Computer Science (was: Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-15 04:40 +0000
Re: Computer Science (was: Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-15 05:36 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-14 21:29 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-15 05:36 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-15 03:41 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-15 12:33 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-16 00:23 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-16 01:31 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-16 07:17 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-16 11:54 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-17 00:41 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-15 05:42 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-14 23:04 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-10-15 08:39 -0700
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-16 00:17 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-16 02:36 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-16 06:57 +0000
OT: Examples for teaching recursion in programming (was: Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-16 10:13 +0100
Re: OT: Examples for teaching recursion in programming Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-16 17:42 +0100
Re: OT: Examples for teaching recursion in programming (was: Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-10-16 15:47 -0700
Re: OT: Examples for teaching recursion in programming Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-17 00:43 +0000
GOTO (was: Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-13 23:48 +0100
Re: GOTO (was: Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-14 00:30 +0000
Re: GOTO c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-14 01:19 -0400
Re: GOTO The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-14 10:31 +0100
Re: GOTO Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-10-14 08:21 +0100
Re: GOTO The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-14 10:34 +0100
Re: GOTO c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-14 20:57 -0400
Re: GOTO The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-14 10:29 +0100
Re: GOTO The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-14 10:21 +0100
Re: GOTO Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-14 11:42 +0100
Re: GOTO The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-14 13:02 +0100
Re: GOTO rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-14 19:08 +0000
Re: GOTO Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-14 23:20 +0100
Re: GOTO rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-15 05:53 +0000
Re: GOTO The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-15 12:16 +0100
Re: GOTO Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-15 15:21 +0100
Re: GOTO Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-16 00:25 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-14 22:58 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-14 23:09 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-14 22:37 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2025-10-14 23:41 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-15 00:15 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2025-10-15 04:32 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-15 12:29 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-16 01:23 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-16 11:38 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-15 05:04 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-15 12:30 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-16 21:53 +0200
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-17 00:48 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-17 12:56 +0200
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-17 08:22 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-15 12:26 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-16 01:22 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-10-16 08:11 +0200
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-16 06:53 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-10-16 08:56 +0200
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-16 03:04 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-16 03:03 -0400
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-16 07:08 +0000
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-16 11:37 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-10-16 12:39 +0200
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-16 11:57 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-10-16 15:31 +0200
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-16 10:25 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-16 11:34 +0100
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-10-16 12:40 +0200
Re: Warning - Serious 'sudo' Flaw Compromises Security Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-15 18:11 +0100
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-10-14 19:08 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: GOTO |
| Message-ID | <ml7lcgFom41U7@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #76122 |
On Tue, 14 Oct 2025 13:02:24 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > And once you do draw a flow chart it probably is enough to make you > realise how to make the code much easier to understand by removing the > spaghetti and concentrating on the little meatballs. If you listen to the computer science experts you will draw a UML diagram nobody understands. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_Modeling_Language
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| From | Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-14 23:20 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: GOTO |
| Message-ID | <10cmibd$38hsj$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #76130 |
On 2025-10-14, rbowman wrote: > On Tue, 14 Oct 2025 13:02:24 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >> And once you do draw a flow chart it probably is enough to make you >> realise how to make the code much easier to understand by removing the >> spaghetti and concentrating on the little meatballs. > > If you listen to the computer science experts you will draw a UML diagram > nobody understands. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_Modeling_Language I'm confident UML is from software engineering, not computer science :-P -- Nuno Silva
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-10-15 05:53 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: GOTO |
| Message-ID | <ml8r7cFpjuU11@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #76138 |
On Tue, 14 Oct 2025 23:20:29 +0100, Nuno Silva wrote: > On 2025-10-14, rbowman wrote: > >> On Tue, 14 Oct 2025 13:02:24 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> >>> And once you do draw a flow chart it probably is enough to make you >>> realise how to make the code much easier to understand by removing the >>> spaghetti and concentrating on the little meatballs. >> >> If you listen to the computer science experts you will draw a UML >> diagram nobody understands. >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_Modeling_Language > > I'm confident UML is from software engineering, not computer science :-P Rumbaugh's Ph.D is in computer science. It only takes one bad apple. Booch and Jacobson both have backgrounds in electrical engineering. I think OMT is all on Rumbaugh and that was upstream of UML. I think I have 'Object-Oriented Modeling and Design' around here someplace. All I remember is it wasn't a page turner.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-15 12:16 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: GOTO |
| Message-ID | <10cnvq5$3jj2s$9@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #76138 |
On 14/10/2025 23:20, Nuno Silva wrote: > On 2025-10-14, rbowman wrote: > >> On Tue, 14 Oct 2025 13:02:24 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> >>> And once you do draw a flow chart it probably is enough to make you >>> realise how to make the code much easier to understand by removing the >>> spaghetti and concentrating on the little meatballs. >> >> If you listen to the computer science experts you will draw a UML diagram >> nobody understands. >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_Modeling_Language > > I'm confident UML is from software engineering, not computer science :-P > Judging by the use of BigWords™ it is firmly CompSci. -- “The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools.” Herbert Spencer
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| From | Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-15 15:21 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: GOTO |
| Message-ID | <10coalu$3n9po$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #76188 |
On 2025-10-15, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 14/10/2025 23:20, Nuno Silva wrote: >> On 2025-10-14, rbowman wrote: >> >>> On Tue, 14 Oct 2025 13:02:24 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>> >>>> And once you do draw a flow chart it probably is enough to make you >>>> realise how to make the code much easier to understand by removing the >>>> spaghetti and concentrating on the little meatballs. >>> >>> If you listen to the computer science experts you will draw a UML diagram >>> nobody understands. >>> >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_Modeling_Language >> >> I'm confident UML is from software engineering, not computer science :-P >> > Judging by the use of BigWords™ it is firmly CompSci. That is really not how it works. Or maybe your definition of "computer science" is quite broader? -- Nuno Silva
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-16 00:25 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: GOTO |
| Message-ID | <10cpe18$1ru9$6@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #76188 |
On Wed, 15 Oct 2025 12:16:21 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 14/10/2025 23:20, Nuno Silva wrote: >> >>> If you listen to the computer science experts you will draw a UML >>> diagram nobody understands. >>> >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_Modeling_Language >> >> I'm confident UML is from software engineering, not computer science >> :-P >> > Judging by the use of BigWords™ it is firmly CompSci. Useful for drawing some impressive pictures, though <http://plantuml.com/> ...
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-14 22:58 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10cmkj8$39hde$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #76071 |
On Mon, 13 Oct 2025 17:41:32 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> It's funny how CS weenies loudly decry the undisciplined use of
> GOTOs, while the undisciplined use of function calls is OK.
Note that functions as first-class objects are very useful for
data-driven programming. Which in turn is a great way to reduce the
amount of code you have to write.
Less code → less chance for bugs to get in, and less work to write and
maintain. Win-win.
> The other way to spot CS weenies is their gratuitous use of
> recursion.
How about a recursive generator:
def permute(seq) :
"yields successive permutations of the elements of seq."
if len(seq) == 0 :
yield ()
else :
for i in range(0, len(seq)) :
for rest in permute(seq[:i] + seq[i + 1:]) :
yield (seq[i],) + rest
#end for
#end for
#end if
#end permute
Example use:
>>> for e in permute(["red", "green", "blue"]) :
... print(e)
...
('red', 'green', 'blue')
('red', 'blue', 'green')
('green', 'red', 'blue')
('green', 'blue', 'red')
('blue', 'red', 'green')
('blue', 'green', 'red')
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-14 23:09 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10cml70$39hde$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #76071 |
On Mon, 13 Oct 2025 17:41:32 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > The other way to spot CS weenies is their gratuitous use of recursion. Here’s a new one for you: “primitive recursive”. I’ve been doing some clever things with geometry nodes in Blender lately. It’s a dataflow programming language, but it’s not fully Turing- equivalent. What it is, is primitive recursive. Here <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duQgFBdmamk> is but one relatively simple example of what they can do.
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-14 22:37 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10cmjal$3959q$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #76045 |
On Mon, 13 Oct 2025 10:42:50 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> What else is try throw and catch?
Maybe this will help:
class MyException1(Exception) :
pass
#end MyException1
class MyException2(Exception) :
pass
#end MyException2
def func1() :
raise MyException1
#end func1
def func2() :
raise MyException2
#end func2
def func3() :
class MyException1(Exception) :
pass
#end MyException1
try :
func1()
except MyException1 :
# will never get here
print("caught MyException1 in func3")
#end try
#end func3
def func4() :
try :
func2()
except MyException2 :
print("caught MyException2 in func4")
#end try
#end func4
for f in (func1, func2, func3, func4) :
try :
print("* call %s" % f.__name__)
f()
except MyException1 :
print("caught MyException1 at top level")
except MyException2 :
print("caught MyException2 at top level")
#end try
#end for
Output:
* call func1
caught MyException1 at top level
* call func2
caught MyException2 at top level
* call func3
caught MyException1 at top level
* call func4
caught MyException2 in func4
Feel free to try and shoehorn that into your “goto” model.
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| From | vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> |
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| Date | 2025-10-14 23:41 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10cmn3c$39icc$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #76027 |
At Mon, 13 Oct 2025 03:07:58 -0400, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: > On 10/11/25 09:26, apapmurray wrote: > > On 10/10/2025 06:30, c186282 wrote: > >> Me, I just un-installed 'sudo'. I've always seen it > >> as a kind of stupid work-around to proper security > >> anyway. Open a terminal and 'su' instead. > > > > I use sudo out of habit, never really thought about it. I suppose I > > could keep an authenticated session alive and set TMOUT to a > > reasonable value. Or maybe try run0 for the first time ever since I > > use systemd. > > Sudo basically trashes the user-sep concept > in Linux. Really you should NOT install it. Okay, I'll bite: What solution do you have to manage multiple users who need "root" privileges, without giving everybody the root password? The only other one I can think of is using multiple ssh public keys, and setting environment variables (and potentially a command list) based on the user's key. That can be done, but has the disadvantage that everybody is running around with a root shell, rather than running "sudo admin command". (Ignoring "sudo -i", which is helpful in some cases.) -- -v System76 Thelio Mega v1.1 x86_64 NVIDIA RTX 3090Ti 24G OS: Linux 6.17.2 D: Mint 22.2 DE: Xfce 4.18 NVIDIA: 580.95.05 Mem: 258G "Back Up My Hard Drive? I Can't Find The Reverse Switch!"
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-10-15 00:15 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <-ZCcnbdqnNFrgnL1nZ2dnZfqnPadnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #76150 |
On 10/14/25 19:41, vallor wrote: > At Mon, 13 Oct 2025 03:07:58 -0400, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: > >> On 10/11/25 09:26, apapmurray wrote: >>> On 10/10/2025 06:30, c186282 wrote: >>>> Me, I just un-installed 'sudo'. I've always seen it >>>> as a kind of stupid work-around to proper security >>>> anyway. Open a terminal and 'su' instead. >>> >>> I use sudo out of habit, never really thought about it. I suppose I >>> could keep an authenticated session alive and set TMOUT to a >>> reasonable value. Or maybe try run0 for the first time ever since I >>> use systemd. >> >> Sudo basically trashes the user-sep concept >> in Linux. Really you should NOT install it. > > Okay, I'll bite: What solution do you have to manage multiple > users who need "root" privileges, without giving everybody > the root password? If they "need" it then you give them the root PW. If they don't "need" it then tuff titty. > The only other one I can think of is using multiple ssh > public keys, and setting environment variables (and potentially > a command list) based on the user's key. That can be done, but > has the disadvantage that everybody is running around with > a root shell, rather than running "sudo admin command". > > (Ignoring "sudo -i", which is helpful in some cases.) >
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| From | vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> |
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| Date | 2025-10-15 04:32 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10cn85a$3cr3v$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #76160 |
At Wed, 15 Oct 2025 00:15:49 -0400, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: > On 10/14/25 19:41, vallor wrote: > > At Mon, 13 Oct 2025 03:07:58 -0400, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> > > wrote: > > > >> On 10/11/25 09:26, apapmurray wrote: > >>> On 10/10/2025 06:30, c186282 wrote: > >>>> Me, I just un-installed 'sudo'. I've always seen it > >>>> as a kind of stupid work-around to proper security > >>>> anyway. Open a terminal and 'su' instead. > >>> > >>> I use sudo out of habit, never really thought about it. I suppose > >>> I could keep an authenticated session alive and set TMOUT to a > >>> reasonable value. Or maybe try run0 for the first time ever since > >>> I use systemd. > >> > >> Sudo basically trashes the user-sep concept > >> in Linux. Really you should NOT install it. > > > > Okay, I'll bite: What solution do you have to manage multiple > > users who need "root" privileges, without giving everybody > > the root password? > > If they "need" it then you give them the root PW. > > If they don't "need" it then tuff titty. I think you're making this up as you go along... But, I'll bite again: why have a root password? Debian-based systems come without one by default. And if a root-enabled user leaves the company, there you are, changing the root password on hundreds of hosts. (I have 34 years experience with large installation systems administration...it's not a trivial problem, and deserves some thought.) > > > > The only other one I can think of is using multiple ssh > > public keys, and setting environment variables (and potentially > > a command list) based on the user's key. That can be done, but > > has the disadvantage that everybody is running around with > > a root shell, rather than running "sudo admin command". > > > > (Ignoring "sudo -i", which is helpful in some cases.) > > -- -v System76 Thelio Mega v1.1 x86_64 NVIDIA RTX 3090Ti 24G OS: Linux 6.17.2 D: Mint 22.2 DE: Xfce 4.18 NVIDIA: 580.95.05 Mem: 258G "Ideas are not responsible for their followers!"
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-15 12:29 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <10co0hs$3jj2s$13@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #76160 |
On 15/10/2025 05:15, c186282 wrote: > On 10/14/25 19:41, vallor wrote: >> At Mon, 13 Oct 2025 03:07:58 -0400, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: >> >>> On 10/11/25 09:26, apapmurray wrote: >>>> On 10/10/2025 06:30, c186282 wrote: >>>>> Me, I just un-installed 'sudo'. I've always seen it >>>>> as a kind of stupid work-around to proper security >>>>> anyway. Open a terminal and 'su' instead. >>>> >>>> I use sudo out of habit, never really thought about it. I suppose I >>>> could keep an authenticated session alive and set TMOUT to a >>>> reasonable value. Or maybe try run0 for the first time ever since I >>>> use systemd. >>> >>> Sudo basically trashes the user-sep concept >>> in Linux. Really you should NOT install it. >> >> Okay, I'll bite: What solution do you have to manage multiple >> users who need "root" privileges, without giving everybody >> the root password? > > If they "need" it then you give them the root PW. > > If they don't "need" it then tuff titty. > > No. In genuine multi-user environments sudo IS useful to allow certain people to do certain things that ordinary users cannot. Without giving them the cd / rm -r * power -- To ban Christmas, simply give turkeys the vote.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-10-16 01:23 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <sE2dnQvUGeDJHG31nZ2dnZfqnPqdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #76192 |
On 10/15/25 07:29, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 15/10/2025 05:15, c186282 wrote: >> On 10/14/25 19:41, vallor wrote: >>> At Mon, 13 Oct 2025 03:07:58 -0400, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: >>> >>>> On 10/11/25 09:26, apapmurray wrote: >>>>> On 10/10/2025 06:30, c186282 wrote: >>>>>> Me, I just un-installed 'sudo'. I've always seen it >>>>>> as a kind of stupid work-around to proper security >>>>>> anyway. Open a terminal and 'su' instead. >>>>> >>>>> I use sudo out of habit, never really thought about it. I suppose I >>>>> could keep an authenticated session alive and set TMOUT to a >>>>> reasonable value. Or maybe try run0 for the first time ever since I >>>>> use systemd. >>>> >>>> Sudo basically trashes the user-sep concept >>>> in Linux. Really you should NOT install it. >>> >>> Okay, I'll bite: What solution do you have to manage multiple >>> users who need "root" privileges, without giving everybody >>> the root password? >> >> If they "need" it then you give them the root PW. >> >> If they don't "need" it then tuff titty. >> >> > No. In genuine multi-user environments sudo IS useful to allow certain > people to do certain things that ordinary users cannot. Without giving > them the > cd / > rm -r * > > power Harder to restrict that ...
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-16 11:38 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <10cqhvl$a1mj$7@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #76222 |
On 16/10/2025 06:23, c186282 wrote: > On 10/15/25 07:29, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> On 15/10/2025 05:15, c186282 wrote: >>> On 10/14/25 19:41, vallor wrote: >>>> At Mon, 13 Oct 2025 03:07:58 -0400, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 10/11/25 09:26, apapmurray wrote: >>>>>> On 10/10/2025 06:30, c186282 wrote: >>>>>>> Me, I just un-installed 'sudo'. I've always seen it >>>>>>> as a kind of stupid work-around to proper security >>>>>>> anyway. Open a terminal and 'su' instead. >>>>>> >>>>>> I use sudo out of habit, never really thought about it. I suppose I >>>>>> could keep an authenticated session alive and set TMOUT to a >>>>>> reasonable value. Or maybe try run0 for the first time ever since I >>>>>> use systemd. >>>>> >>>>> Sudo basically trashes the user-sep concept >>>>> in Linux. Really you should NOT install it. >>>> >>>> Okay, I'll bite: What solution do you have to manage multiple >>>> users who need "root" privileges, without giving everybody >>>> the root password? >>> >>> If they "need" it then you give them the root PW. >>> >>> If they don't "need" it then tuff titty. >>> >>> >> No. In genuine multi-user environments sudo IS useful to allow certain >> people to do certain things that ordinary users cannot. Without giving >> them the >> cd / >> rm -r * >> >> power > > Harder to restrict that ... > Totally possible with sudo. Simply don't allow them to use rm at all. On the basis that if they haven't got delete perms as a user they have no business fucking with it as root -- “A leader is best When people barely know he exists. Of a good leader, who talks little,When his work is done, his aim fulfilled,They will say, “We did this ourselves.” ― Lao Tzu, Tao Te Ching
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-10-15 05:04 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ml8oabFpjuU6@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #76150 |
On Tue, 14 Oct 2025 23:41:31 +0000, vallor wrote: > Okay, I'll bite: What solution do you have to manage multiple users who > need "root" privileges, without giving everybody the root password? I don't know if it preceded sudo but we had a hack called gosu. Everyone compiled it using their own credentials but then became root to run chmod 4755. Super secure but it didn't matter. The root password for all AIX and Linux boxes was a certain star in the Wolf system. I was confused with my first Linux install that didn't really have a root password. Prior to that I can't remember the distro, maybe SUSE, but when you were running as root the wallpaper changed to a red background with black cartoon bombs with burning fuses. Someone had a sense of humor. There were occasional mishaps. One guy on an AIX box ran out of room and deleted AIX's equivalent of /usr/bin. I forget what the directory was called but it didn't *sound* that important.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-15 12:30 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <10co0kl$3jj2s$14@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #76164 |
On 15/10/2025 06:04, rbowman wrote: > On Tue, 14 Oct 2025 23:41:31 +0000, vallor wrote: > >> Okay, I'll bite: What solution do you have to manage multiple users who >> need "root" privileges, without giving everybody the root password? > > I don't know if it preceded sudo but we had a hack called gosu. Everyone > compiled it using their own credentials but then became root to run chmod > 4755. Super secure but it didn't matter. The root password for all AIX and > Linux boxes was a certain star in the Wolf system. > > I was confused with my first Linux install that didn't really have a root > password. Prior to that I can't remember the distro, maybe SUSE, but when > you were running as root the wallpaper changed to a red background with > black cartoon bombs with burning fuses. Someone had a sense of humor. > > There were occasional mishaps. One guy on an AIX box ran out of room and > deleted AIX's equivalent of /usr/bin. I forget what the directory was > called but it didn't *sound* that important. I crashed a development server once with 50+ users on it using root privileges -- To ban Christmas, simply give turkeys the vote.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-16 21:53 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <k2v7slx5l2.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #76164 |
On 2025-10-15 07:04, rbowman wrote: > On Tue, 14 Oct 2025 23:41:31 +0000, vallor wrote: > >> Okay, I'll bite: What solution do you have to manage multiple users who >> need "root" privileges, without giving everybody the root password? > > I don't know if it preceded sudo but we had a hack called gosu. Everyone > compiled it using their own credentials but then became root to run chmod > 4755. Super secure but it didn't matter. The root password for all AIX and > Linux boxes was a certain star in the Wolf system. > > I was confused with my first Linux install that didn't really have a root > password. Prior to that I can't remember the distro, maybe SUSE, but when > you were running as root the wallpaper changed to a red background with > black cartoon bombs with burning fuses. Someone had a sense of humor. SUSE always had a root user, AFAIR, but there was indeed one release in which if you logged into the GUI as root you got that red background. KDE, I think it was. Version 7.x perhaps. And you can be reprimanded if you confess in the web forum that you logged as root to the GUI. Maybe even in console. :-D Ubuntu did not create a root user. > > There were occasional mishaps. One guy on an AIX box ran out of room and > deleted AIX's equivalent of /usr/bin. I forget what the directory was > called but it didn't *sound* that important. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-17 00:48 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10cs3pa$p2d4$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #76266 |
On Thu, 16 Oct 2025 21:53:24 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: > Ubuntu did not create a root user. Correction: you always have a root user. What Ubuntu did was *not* give the root user a valid password.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-17 12:56 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <40k9slxrub.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #76274 |
On 2025-10-17 02:48, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > On Thu, 16 Oct 2025 21:53:24 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: > >> Ubuntu did not create a root user. > > Correction: you always have a root user. > > What Ubuntu did was *not* give the root user a valid password. Ok :-) -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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