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| Started by | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| First post | 2025-09-30 00:12 -0400 |
| Last post | 2025-11-24 23:48 +0000 |
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AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-30 00:12 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-30 09:37 +0200
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-30 19:21 +0200
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-30 19:35 +0100
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-30 22:45 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-30 22:41 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-30 22:44 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-30 23:46 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-01 01:05 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-01 01:06 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-01 03:53 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-01 04:57 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-01 21:41 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-01 21:40 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-10-10 18:00 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-11 02:41 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-11 11:00 +0100
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-11 19:39 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-11 22:31 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-12 12:09 +0100
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-11 19:03 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-11 22:28 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-12 12:04 +0100
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-12 19:40 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-13 03:24 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-13 10:19 +0100
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-13 19:05 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-14 01:24 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-14 07:09 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-14 20:35 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-14 10:04 +0200
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-14 10:04 +0100
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-14 12:06 +0200
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-14 11:32 +0100
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-14 12:45 +0200
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-14 22:05 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-14 23:31 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-15 14:30 +0200
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-14 21:47 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-14 23:31 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-15 06:41 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-15 03:30 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-15 16:57 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-15 21:31 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-16 18:43 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-16 18:59 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-16 13:43 -0700
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-17 02:02 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-10-17 07:58 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-10-17 17:38 +0100
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-17 22:16 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-10-18 08:53 -0400
Bikes [Was: AI-Based Coding Taking Over] "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-18 20:02 +0200
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-18 19:51 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-18 22:55 +0200
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-19 02:32 +0000
Nuisance fauna [Was: AI-Based Coding Taking Over] "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-19 13:31 +0200
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-10-19 08:41 +0100
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-19 11:15 +0100
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-19 20:57 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-20 00:23 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-20 05:44 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-20 03:32 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-20 10:34 +0200
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-20 23:22 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-10-21 08:54 +0100
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-21 21:22 +0200
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-22 05:45 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-22 02:21 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-22 14:07 +0200
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-22 21:05 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-24 10:42 +0200
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-24 10:11 +0100
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-24 19:47 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-24 19:45 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-25 10:47 +0100
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-25 19:46 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-22 08:19 +0100
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-21 20:05 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-21 23:50 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-22 11:32 +0100
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-20 20:12 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-20 11:53 -0700
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-21 03:32 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-20 21:52 -0700
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-21 01:44 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-21 19:34 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-21 23:41 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-22 05:40 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-22 02:23 -0400
Oil leaks "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-22 14:13 +0200
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-20 10:29 +0200
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-20 19:43 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-20 20:48 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-21 04:10 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-21 01:39 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-21 20:02 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-21 23:48 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-22 06:02 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-22 03:34 -0400
Vehicles "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-22 14:30 +0200
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-22 18:03 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-22 20:51 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-23 14:54 +0200
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-22 14:26 +0200
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-22 21:00 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-23 04:01 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-23 20:27 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-23 20:59 -0700
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-25 04:47 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-24 22:09 -0700
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-25 19:43 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-25 22:23 +0200
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-25 20:51 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-26 19:58 +0100
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-26 11:00 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-26 18:40 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-26 22:19 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-27 00:48 +0100
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-27 03:12 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-27 10:15 +0100
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-27 08:20 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-27 02:54 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-27 08:23 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-26 22:45 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-27 03:07 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-27 14:26 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-27 14:31 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-27 20:41 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-27 14:17 -0700
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-28 05:40 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-28 07:45 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-10-28 06:18 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-28 19:19 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-28 19:08 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-27 22:30 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-28 07:45 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-28 11:25 -0700
The Good Ol' Days of Computing? Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-10-28 06:15 -0400
Re: The Good Ol' Days of Computing? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-29 02:12 -0400
Re: The Good Ol' Days of Computing? John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-10-29 08:43 -0700
Re: The Good Ol' Days of Computing? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-29 21:30 -0400
Re: The Good Ol' Days of Computing? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-30 03:07 +0000
Re: The Good Ol' Days of Computing? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-30 00:49 -0400
Re: The Good Ol' Days of Computing? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-30 06:29 +0000
Re: The Good Ol' Days of Computing? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-30 07:00 +0000
Re: The Good Ol' Days of Computing? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-30 11:32 -0400
Re: The Good Ol' Days of Computing? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-30 16:39 +0000
Re: The Good Ol' Days of Computing? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-30 11:29 -0400
Re: The Good Ol' Days of Computing? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-30 16:37 +0000
Re: The Good Ol' Days of Computing? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-30 20:21 +0000
Re: The Good Ol' Days of Computing? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-31 04:01 +0000
Personal computer (was Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-10-27 09:21 -0700
Re: Personal computer (was Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-27 16:53 +0000
Re: Personal computer (was Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over) Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-10-27 13:48 -0400
Re: Personal computer (was Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-27 20:53 +0000
Re: Personal computer (was Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-10-27 13:56 -0700
Re: Personal computer (was Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over) Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-10-28 06:30 -0400
Re: Personal computer (was Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-10-28 08:15 -0700
Re: Personal computer (was Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-28 19:44 +0000
Re: Personal computer (was Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-10-28 12:51 -0700
Re: Personal computer (was Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-10-28 15:39 -0700
Re: Personal computer (was Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-29 02:14 +0000
Re: Personal computer (was Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-29 01:52 +0000
Re: Personal computer (was Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-28 19:37 +0000
Re: Personal computer (was Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-28 07:45 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-27 10:18 -0700
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-10-27 13:42 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-27 21:18 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-28 07:45 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-27 19:28 +0100
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2025-10-24 03:30 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-24 05:44 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-24 10:21 +0200
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-23 14:57 +0200
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-23 20:23 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-24 10:35 +0200
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-24 19:30 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-24 22:13 +0200
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-25 02:38 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-25 15:17 +0200
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-25 19:40 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-23 00:29 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-23 14:59 +0200
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-23 20:20 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-23 19:09 -0700
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-24 05:49 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-24 10:38 +0200
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-24 19:41 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-24 13:05 -0700
Agriculture "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-24 22:25 +0200
Re: Agriculture rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-25 02:22 +0000
Vehicles "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-22 14:21 +0200
Re: Vehicles rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-22 20:14 +0000
Re: Vehicles "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-23 15:06 +0200
Re: Vehicles rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-23 20:01 +0000
Re: Vehicles "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-24 10:09 +0200
Re: Vehicles rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-24 18:40 +0000
Re: Vehicles "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-24 21:22 +0200
Re: Vehicles rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-25 01:54 +0000
Re: Vehicles "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-25 15:20 +0200
Re: Vehicles c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-23 00:28 -0400
Re: Vehicles The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-23 08:55 +0100
Re: Vehicles "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-23 15:09 +0200
Re: Vehicles Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-10-23 17:46 +0000
Re: Vehicles rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-23 20:08 +0000
Re: Vehicles Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-10-23 22:28 +0000
Re: Vehicles rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-24 05:09 +0000
Re: Vehicles "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-24 01:43 +0200
Re: Vehicles "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-24 01:47 +0200
Re: Vehicles Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-11-13 17:25 +0000
Re: Vehicles c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-23 22:51 -0400
Pouring a coffee into a street drain. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-24 09:59 +0200
Re: Pouring a coffee into a street drain. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-24 18:43 +0000
Re: Vehicles c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-23 22:45 -0400
Re: Vehicles rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-23 20:06 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-21 00:32 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-20 23:18 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-21 19:50 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-19 20:40 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-19 14:24 -0700
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-20 06:04 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-20 10:48 +0200
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-20 19:52 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-21 01:02 +0200
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-21 03:39 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-21 01:33 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-21 21:33 +0200
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-21 23:37 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-22 06:12 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-22 03:38 -0400
Vehicles. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-22 14:35 +0200
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-21 19:42 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-17 17:36 +0000
Car inspections. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-15 14:35 +0200
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-14 21:38 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-14 19:12 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-15 11:55 +0100
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2025-10-16 03:07 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-16 02:56 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-14 21:06 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-15 11:59 +0100
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-16 01:00 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-16 07:29 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-16 11:22 +0100
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-17 22:34 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-01 18:11 +0100
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-01 21:06 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-01 23:45 +0100
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-01 22:19 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-02 11:15 +0100
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-01 21:59 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2025-10-02 06:20 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-02 03:05 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2025-10-02 18:41 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-02 07:26 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2025-10-02 18:37 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-03 00:29 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-03 05:06 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-03 01:24 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Bob Vloon <usenet@bananacorp.nl.invalid> - 2025-10-03 11:33 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-03 20:46 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-03 00:25 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-03 04:44 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-03 01:18 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-03 20:42 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-03 21:05 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-03 23:35 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-03 23:37 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-03 08:54 +0100
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-03 10:02 +0100
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-03 20:41 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-03 23:24 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-03 23:21 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-03 23:20 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-04 17:04 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-10-03 08:03 +1000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2025-10-02 22:55 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-30 22:06 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Jason H <jason_hindle@yahoo.com> - 2025-10-01 20:26 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-01 21:58 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Farley Flud <fsquared@fsquared.linux> - 2025-09-30 11:25 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-30 12:56 +0100
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-30 22:48 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-01 03:53 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-01 21:36 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-30 22:16 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over John McCue <jmclnx@gmail.com.invalid> - 2025-10-31 16:52 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-31 20:19 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-31 22:45 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-31 22:35 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-24 23:42 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-25 08:07 +0100
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-25 03:58 -0500
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-01 11:19 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-01 17:32 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-01 21:09 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-02 19:09 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-02 19:30 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-03 02:28 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-02 01:17 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-11-03 07:52 +1000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over John McCue <jmclnx@gmail.com.invalid> - 2025-11-02 22:21 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> - 2025-11-03 09:30 +1000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over John McCue <jmclnx@gmail.com.invalid> - 2025-11-03 14:14 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-24 23:49 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-24 23:08 -0500
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-25 06:56 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-25 04:03 -0500
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-24 23:48 +0000
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| From | Bob Vloon <usenet@bananacorp.nl.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-03 11:33 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10bocap$11ub$1@moist.bananacorp.nl.uucp> |
| In reply to | #75615 |
vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> writes: >And finally: say what you will about him, I think Larry Wall is >a genius. Hear, Hear!
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-03 20:46 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10bpcm9$239ct$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #75658 |
On Fri, 3 Oct 2025 11:33:45 -0000 (UTC), Bob Vloon wrote: > vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> writes: > >> And finally: say what you will about him, I think Larry Wall is a >> genius. > > Hear, Hear! He might be remembered more for creating patch(1) than Perl. There had been tools to apply file edits before, but the clever thing about patch was that it could merge patches into files that had already had patches applied from other sources. As a result, the concept of distributing and applying source-code diffs has become the basic currency of collaborative open-source development.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-10-03 00:25 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <eDqdnd59noDHzUL1nZ2dnZfqnPGdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #75593 |
On 10/2/25 03:26, rbowman wrote: > On Thu, 02 Oct 2025 06:20:50 +0000, vallor wrote: > >> I've learned 10 times more about Tk than I ever knew before. > > That's about 100 times more than I ever wanted to know. I've messed around > with Tkinter a couple of times but greatly prefer PySide6. Well ... I've writ a number of Tkinter Python apps. While not 'sophisticated', Tk is "well documented" and has pretty much every tweak you'd ever need. Alts are much more complicated - and FORGET any QT crap ! > I'm pretty sure I have the O'Reily 'Learning Perl/Tk' around here > someplace but I haven't used Perl in ages and see no reason to return to > it. Next Python GUI I need to do - I'll still use Tk.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-10-03 04:44 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mk92m3FiohsU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #75634 |
On Fri, 3 Oct 2025 00:25:59 -0400, c186282 wrote: > Well ... I've writ a number of Tkinter Python apps. > While not 'sophisticated', Tk is "well documented" and has pretty > much every tweak you'd ever need. Alts are much more complicated - > and FORGET any QT crap ! Since my preference is for KDE, Qt fits in nicely. I also have Lubuntu on one laptop and that uses LXQt. The biggest problem with Qt has been the various licensing problems, hence PySide6 rather than PyQt5.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-10-03 01:18 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <eDqdndt9noAPwUL1nZ2dnZfqnPGdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #75638 |
On 10/3/25 00:44, rbowman wrote: > On Fri, 3 Oct 2025 00:25:59 -0400, c186282 wrote: > >> Well ... I've writ a number of Tkinter Python apps. >> While not 'sophisticated', Tk is "well documented" and has pretty >> much every tweak you'd ever need. Alts are much more complicated - >> and FORGET any QT crap ! > > Since my preference is for KDE, Qt fits in nicely. I also have Lubuntu on > one laptop and that uses LXQt. After many frustrations/disappointments I have totally banished QT. > The biggest problem with Qt has been the various licensing problems, hence > PySide6 rather than PyQt5. Um ... FUNCTIONAL/IMPLEMENTATION problems are my gripes. Don't give a shit about "licensing". Will NOT use QT. The 'better' they make things the more COMPLICATED they make things. Not so good.
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-03 20:42 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10bpcf9$239ct$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #75589 |
On 3 Oct 2025 11:38:42 GMT, Stefan Ram wrote: > Yesterday I noticed that my chatbot seems to be less capable in > writing Perl code than in writing Python code. Did you try PHP?
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-03 21:05 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10bpdq3$23kl5$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #75668 |
On 3 Oct 2025 20:59:44 GMT, Stefan Ram wrote: > On Fri, 3 Oct 2025 20:42:17 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >> >> On 3 Oct 2025 11:38:42 GMT, Stefan Ram wrote: >>> >>> Yesterday I noticed that my chatbot seems to be less capable in >>> writing Perl code than in writing Python code. >> >> Did you try PHP? > > Right now I have no use for PHP. I was asking if the chatbot was better versed in PHP than it was in Perl.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-10-03 23:35 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <rsadnR7cKZBhCH31nZ2dnZfqn_adnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #75668 |
On 10/3/25 16:42, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > On 3 Oct 2025 11:38:42 GMT, Stefan Ram wrote: > >> Yesterday I noticed that my chatbot seems to be less capable in >> writing Perl code than in writing Python code. > > Did you try PHP? PHP is annoying. Had to write several web sites that wound up being 75% PHP just to add enough IQ to be worth it. Perl is camel dung. Python is a jack of all trades at this point and the net is packed full of examples - good, bad and otherwise. "AI" is trained by pirating all that code. I wonder if AI knows to use the 2nd/3rd problem solutions - which are usually better/tighter ? Probably not.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-10-03 23:37 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <_vWdnXiEfr30C331nZ2dnZfqn_qdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #75668 |
On 10/3/25 16:59, Stefan Ram wrote: > Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?= <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote or quoted: >> On 3 Oct 2025 11:38:42 GMT, Stefan Ram wrote: >>> Yesterday I noticed that my chatbot seems to be less capable in >>> writing Perl code than in writing Python code. >> Did you try PHP? > > Right now I have no use for PHP. But if I remember right, there's > this guy hanging around on the German Usenet who says he doesn't > know PHP and he's fine with the PHP the chatbot writes for him. Uh oh ........
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| From | Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-03 08:54 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <wwvqzvkbeud.fsf@LkoBDZeT.terraraq.uk> |
| In reply to | #75569 |
ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) writes: > Then you'd still run into the issue of figuring out how to tell the > supervisor chatbot to actually line up with what you want. So in a > way, you might just be kicking the can down the road. > > That said, a single chatbot still has a ton of headroom. For my > examples I used a generic one, not something trained on a particular > programming language, coding approach, or runtime setup. I think that’s the wrong way of looking at it. They aren’t trained on a language as such; they are trained on a corpus of programs people wrote in the language (and probably violating copyright in the process). That’s why you see foolishness like using scanf to read a string: it’s a strategy that’s well-represented in its training set. -- https://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-03 10:02 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <10bo3f4$1jgd0$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #75642 |
On 03/10/2025 08:54, Richard Kettlewell wrote: > ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) writes: >> Then you'd still run into the issue of figuring out how to tell the >> supervisor chatbot to actually line up with what you want. So in a >> way, you might just be kicking the can down the road. >> >> That said, a single chatbot still has a ton of headroom. For my >> examples I used a generic one, not something trained on a particular >> programming language, coding approach, or runtime setup. > > I think that’s the wrong way of looking at it. They aren’t trained on a > language as such; they are trained on a corpus of programs people wrote > in the language (and probably violating copyright in the process). > That’s why you see foolishness like using scanf to read a string: it’s a > strategy that’s well-represented in its training set. > It does seem to me that AI in general perfectly captures the idiocy, misinformation and general incompetence of the 'average person on the internet' . It epitomises 'we all say it, so it must be true' logic. -- Ideas are more powerful than guns. We would not let our enemies have guns, why should we let them have ideas? Josef Stalin
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-03 20:41 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10bpcdo$239ct$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #75646 |
On Fri, 3 Oct 2025 10:02:28 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > It does seem to me that AI in general perfectly captures the idiocy, > misinformation and general incompetence of the 'average person on the > internet' . It epitomises 'we all say it, so it must be true' logic. Do others say that besides you?
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-10-03 23:24 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <_vWdnXmEfr3nDn31nZ2dnZfqn_qdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #75667 |
On 10/3/25 16:41, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > On Fri, 3 Oct 2025 10:02:28 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >> It does seem to me that AI in general perfectly captures the idiocy, >> misinformation and general incompetence of the 'average person on the >> internet' . It epitomises 'we all say it, so it must be true' logic. > > Do others say that besides you? I'll vote in favor. "AI" is trained on vast quantities of 'human stuff', INCLUDING all the errors.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-10-03 23:21 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <rsadnR_cKZApD331nZ2dnZfqn_adnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #75646 |
On 10/3/25 05:02, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 03/10/2025 08:54, Richard Kettlewell wrote: >> ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) writes: >>> Then you'd still run into the issue of figuring out how to tell the >>> supervisor chatbot to actually line up with what you want. So in a >>> way, you might just be kicking the can down the road. >>> >>> That said, a single chatbot still has a ton of headroom. For my >>> examples I used a generic one, not something trained on a particular >>> programming language, coding approach, or runtime setup. >> >> I think that’s the wrong way of looking at it. They aren’t trained on a >> language as such; they are trained on a corpus of programs people wrote >> in the language (and probably violating copyright in the process). >> That’s why you see foolishness like using scanf to read a string: it’s a >> strategy that’s well-represented in its training set. >> > It does seem to me that AI in general perfectly captures the idiocy, > misinformation and general incompetence of the 'average person on the > internet' . It epitomises 'we all say it, so it must be true' logic. Well, today's "AI" DOES learn from what's Out There - including all the serious mistakes.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-10-03 23:20 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <_vWdnX6Efr3uD331nZ2dnZfqn_qdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #75642 |
On 10/3/25 03:54, Richard Kettlewell wrote: > ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) writes: >> Then you'd still run into the issue of figuring out how to tell the >> supervisor chatbot to actually line up with what you want. So in a >> way, you might just be kicking the can down the road. >> >> That said, a single chatbot still has a ton of headroom. For my >> examples I used a generic one, not something trained on a particular >> programming language, coding approach, or runtime setup. > > I think that’s the wrong way of looking at it. They aren’t trained on a > language as such; they are trained on a corpus of programs people wrote > in the language (and probably violating copyright in the process). > That’s why you see foolishness like using scanf to read a string: it’s a > strategy that’s well-represented in its training set. Um, yea, NEVER use 'scanf' these days ! As said somewhere, the weekly M$ security warnings are just full of 'buffer overflow' warnings. They won't, or can't, fix it all. There are input-length-limited functions in 'C' and a lot of other langs ... nobody uses them.
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-04 17:04 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <jscEQ.2494$PBEc.552@fx48.iad> |
| In reply to | #75673 |
On 2025-10-04, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: > Um, yea, NEVER use 'scanf' these days ! > > As said somewhere, the weekly M$ security warnings > are just full of 'buffer overflow' warnings. They > won't, or can't, fix it all. > > There are input-length-limited functions in 'C' and > a lot of other langs ... nobody uses them. Speak for yourself. I've been reading files with fgets() for decades, parsing them myself. Over the last few years, though, I've replaced fgets() with getline(), which lifts length restrictions entirely. -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | Growth for the sake of \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | growth is the ideology X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | of the cancer cell. / \ if you read it the right way. | -- Edward Abbey
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| From | not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) |
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| Date | 2025-10-03 08:03 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <68def6a9@news.ausics.net> |
| In reply to | #75544 |
Stefan Ram <ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de> wrote:
> Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote or quoted:
>>ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) writes:
>>> if (scanf("%259s", srcFile) != 1) {
>>> fprintf(stderr, "Failed to read source file name.\n");
>>> return EXIT_FAILURE;
>>> }
>>Mishandles filesnames with spaces in, or longer than the weird and
>>arbitrary 259-character limit.
>
> After I brought this up with the chatbot, it gave me a new
> version [1]. That just shows, a coding chatbot really needs
> someone over its shoulder who goes through the code, points out
> the flaws, and keeps pressing on them until the code actually
> is written the way it should. And that overseer has to actually
> know his stuff. So yeah, human experts are still necessary . . .
I find it easier to write and understand my own code than following
that written by others, so a program that spits out code I need to
check and understand completely myself in order to spot mistakes is
a step backwards. When there's an AI that can tell me what went
wrong when my own code misbehaves (knowing already all the inputs
to it up to that point), then _that's_ something useful to me. Even
more useful if it allows me to narrow down complex bugs I encounter
in other people's programs without spending hours/days trying to
understand their code and the general architecture.
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| From | vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2025-10-02 22:55 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10bmvt3$1a5qm$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #75625 |
At 3 Oct 2025 08:03:21 +1000, not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) said:
> Stefan Ram <ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de> wrote:
> > Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote or quoted:
> >>ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) writes:
> >>> if (scanf("%259s", srcFile) != 1) {
> >>> fprintf(stderr, "Failed to read source file name.\n");
> >>> return EXIT_FAILURE;
> >>> }
> >>Mishandles filesnames with spaces in, or longer than the weird and
> >>arbitrary 259-character limit.
> >
> > After I brought this up with the chatbot, it gave me a new
> > version [1]. That just shows, a coding chatbot really needs
> > someone over its shoulder who goes through the code, points out
> > the flaws, and keeps pressing on them until the code actually
> > is written the way it should. And that overseer has to actually
> > know his stuff. So yeah, human experts are still necessary . . .
>
> I find it easier to write and understand my own code than following
> that written by others, so a program that spits out code I need to
> check and understand completely myself in order to spot mistakes is
> a step backwards. When there's an AI that can tell me what went
> wrong when my own code misbehaves (knowing already all the inputs
> to it up to that point), then _that's_ something useful to me. Even
> more useful if it allows me to narrow down complex bugs I encounter
> in other people's programs without spending hours/days trying to
> understand their code and the general architecture.
Well, in the case of this newsreader, I decided to add
threading. I told the infernal beast what I wanted,
and it gave me a patch. Then I realized I forgot to specify
that I wanted it toggle-able, so I added that, and got another
patch.
Then I meticulosly applied the patches by hand, taking care
that I understood what was going on. (It's necessary to do
it this way because the "unified diffs" it gives me cause
errors in patch(1) -- but really, I think it's a good idea
to do it this way anyway.)
After applying the patches, I now have a threaded newsreader.
Not sure if I mentioned it, but one of the innovations I added
early on is keeping track of read (red) messages by message-id,
similar to how an news server keeps track of "seen" messages
in its history database.
I even call the Berkeley DB "history.db", because that's
really what it is. The value for the msgid key is the epoch
value for the posted article's "Date:" field, so it can
be "expired" later.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-09-30 22:06 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <fPidnYHXbYQpEUH1nZ2dnZfqn_GdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #75454 |
On 9/30/25 03:37, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2025-09-30 06:12, c186282 wrote: >> https://www.newsnationnow.com/business/tech/tech-headlines/ap-ai-is- >> transforming-how-software-engineers-do-their-jobs-just-dont-call-it- >> vibe-coding/ >> >> . . . >> >> Yep, it's the end. Humans will know less and >> less actual code, what it does, how it works. >> They will just 'explain' to the AI what they >> want, more or less. >> >> Progress ? Progress to doom ? > > I wonder if an AI can reliably translate one computer language to another. Interesting question. Never HEARD of it. Likely no NEED seen at the moment. I expect there to be an "AI" coding language all of its own soon, tuned to 'modular assembly' of functional units. Humans may have hell reading it at all, which raises more interesting questions. If a bit of software fails, causes damage or death, who to blame ? Ran across a news blurb today where a driverless car in California made an illegal turn. The cops were at a total loss, no law fit the crime. No box for "robot" on their form and no straight legal path to fine the maker of the system. If AI generated code IS essentially human-unreadable AND the number of humans even remotely capable have all been fired or retired ...
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| From | Jason H <jason_hindle@yahoo.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2025-10-01 20:26 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10bk2p7$jm3v$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #75512 |
On 01/10/2025 03:06, c186282 wrote: >On 9/30/25 03:37, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> On 2025-09-30 06:12, c186282 wrote: >>> https://www.newsnationnow.com/business/tech/tech-headlines/ap-ai-is- >>> transforming-how-software-engineers-do-their-jobs-just-dont-call-it- >>> vibe-coding/ >>> >>> . . . >>> >>> Yep, it's the end. Humans will know less and >>> less actual code, what it does, how it works. >>> They will just 'explain' to the AI what they >>> want, more or less. >>> >>> Progress ? Progress to doom ? >> >> I wonder if an AI can reliably translate one computer language to another. > > Interesting question. Never HEARD of it. > Likely no NEED seen at the moment. > > I expect there to be an "AI" coding language > all of its own soon, tuned to 'modular assembly' > of functional units. Humans may have hell > reading it at all, which raises more interesting > questions. > > If a bit of software fails, causes damage or > death, who to blame ? > > Ran across a news blurb today where a driverless > car in California made an illegal turn. The cops > were at a total loss, no law fit the crime. No > box for "robot" on their form and no straight > legal path to fine the maker of the system. > > If AI generated code IS essentially human-unreadable > AND the number of humans even remotely capable have > all been fired or retired ... > Someone skilled at writing user stories in Gherkin might have some success. In my experience, AI written code can be clearly written and commented sufficiently for someone knowledgeable enough to spot any mistakes. That said, I'm more of a "write me a bit of code that illustrates this principle" user of AI. -- -- A PICKER OF UNCONSIDERED TRIFLES
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