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  LEAP 15.6 to communicate FTP with Tumbleweed Paul R Schmidtbleicher <prschmi@attglobal.net> - 2025-07-05 11:28 -0700
    Re: LEAP 15.6 to communicate FTP with Tumbleweed Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2025-07-05 21:42 +0200
      Re: LEAP 15.6 to communicate FTP with Tumbleweed The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-06 09:04 +0100
        Re: LEAP 15.6 to communicate FTP with Tumbleweed Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2025-07-06 12:18 +0200
          Re: LEAP 15.6 to communicate FTP with Tumbleweed The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-06 11:21 +0100
            Re: LEAP 15.6 to communicate FTP with Tumbleweed "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-06 15:27 +0200
              Re: LEAP 15.6 to communicate FTP with Tumbleweed The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-06 14:35 +0100
                Re: LEAP 15.6 to communicate FTP with Tumbleweed "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-06 15:43 +0200
                  Re: LEAP 15.6 to communicate FTP with Tumbleweed Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-06 16:53 +0100
            Re: LEAP 15.6 to communicate FTP with Tumbleweed Paul R Schmidtbleicher <prschmi@attglobal.net> - 2025-07-08 21:50 -0700
              Re: LEAP 15.6 to communicate FTP with Tumbleweed Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-07-09 05:57 +0000
              Re: LEAP 15.6 to communicate FTP with Tumbleweed The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-09 11:34 +0100
              Re: LEAP 15.6 to communicate FTP with Tumbleweed John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-07-09 07:51 -0700
    Re: LEAP 15.6 to communicate FTP with Tumbleweed Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-05 20:58 +0100
    Re: LEAP 15.6 to communicate FTP with Tumbleweed "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-05 22:05 +0200
      Re: LEAP 15.6 to communicate FTP with Tumbleweed Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-07-06 03:16 +0000
    Re: LEAP 15.6 to communicate FTP with Tumbleweed Fritz Wuehler <fritz@spamexpire-202507.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> - 2025-07-06 00:53 +0200
    Re: LEAP 15.6 to communicate FTP with Tumbleweed Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-07-06 03:17 +0000
      Re: LEAP 15.6 to communicate FTP with Tumbleweed rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-06 04:23 +0000
    Re: LEAP 15.6 to communicate FTP with Tumbleweed Paul R Schmidtbleicher <prschmi@attglobal.net> - 2025-07-07 17:29 -0700
      Re: LEAP 15.6 to communicate FTP with Tumbleweed Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> - 2025-07-08 17:27 +1000
      Re: LEAP 15.6 to communicate FTP with Tumbleweed "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-08 13:41 +0200
        Re: LEAP 15.6 to communicate FTP with Tumbleweed The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-08 14:11 +0100
          Re: LEAP 15.6 to communicate FTP with Tumbleweed R Daneel Olivaw <Danni@hyperspace.vogon.gov> - 2025-07-08 16:28 +0200
            Re: LEAP 15.6 to communicate FTP with Tumbleweed The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-08 16:14 +0100
              Re: LEAP 15.6 to communicate FTP with Tumbleweed John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-07-08 08:58 -0700
                Re: LEAP 15.6 to communicate FTP with Tumbleweed vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-07-08 21:39 +0000
                  Re: LEAP 15.6 to communicate FTP with Tumbleweed rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-08 23:52 +0000
              Re: LEAP 15.6 to communicate FTP with Tumbleweed "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-08 21:36 +0200
                Re: LEAP 15.6 to communicate FTP with Tumbleweed Paul R Schmidtbleicher <prschmi@attglobal.net> - 2025-07-08 18:23 -0700
                  Re: LEAP 15.6 to communicate FTP with Tumbleweed "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-09 11:38 +0200
                  Re: LEAP 15.6 to communicate FTP with Tumbleweed The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-09 11:27 +0100
                  Re: LEAP 15.6 to communicate FTP with Tumbleweed Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-07-09 15:24 +0200
              Re: LEAP 15.6 to communicate FTP with Tumbleweed Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-07-08 23:35 +0000
          Re: LEAP 15.6 to communicate FTP with Tumbleweed Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-07-08 21:49 +0000

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#69475

Paul R Schmidtbleicher <prschmi@attglobal.net> wrote:
> Thanks to all who responded to my original question.
> (1) It has the option of being a Daemon. I just want on-off connection. 
> (2) I invoke this server "pure-ftpd" from a su Dolphin; quit with a 
> Ctrl-C.  The client, Filezilla, was not connecting.  At the time I did 
> not realize it included a basic "pure-ftpd.conf" that needed to be 
> included in calling up the server.  Filezilla then made a connection: 
> Tumbleweed was connected to LEAP 15.6.

Better check the settings in that "pure-ftpd.conf" to make sure
regular users are allowed to log in, and maybe disable any chroot
rules.

> Now, the next problem: the server (pure-ftpd) is on LEAP and Client 
> Filezilla is on Tumbleweed
> (1) Client Filezilla on Tumbleweed (LocalSite) shows from "/" the whole 
> filesystem & filestructure
> (2) Server "pure-ftpd" is (Remote site) on LEAP computer. The call for 
> the local filesystem starts with "/" root directory.  It yields "empty"
> (3) I know it is protecting the protecting the Remote file system, but I 
> am same user (administrator), same password on both computers. I can't 
> figure out how to get the Remote site (LEAP) to open any directories 
> since "/" comes up as empty.

Are you sure that it's logging into the FTP server as that user,
not as anonymous? I believe the anonymous user will only see files
in the ~/ftp folder.

It's with regards to things like this that GNU Inetutils ftpd can
be easier for local network use rather than servers with all the
extra features for hosting a public FTP site on the internet. It
can also be started as a daemon with the "-D" command-line option.

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#69476

On 2025-07-08 02:29, Paul R Schmidtbleicher wrote:
> On 7/5/25 11:28 AM, Paul R Schmidtbleicher wrote:

> Now, the next problem: the server (pure-ftpd) is on LEAP and Client 
> Filezilla is on Tumbleweed
> (1) Client Filezilla on Tumbleweed (LocalSite) shows from "/" the whole 
> filesystem & filestructure
> (2) Server "pure-ftpd" is (Remote site) on LEAP computer. The call for 

STOP.

Is this a remote computer? The connection is via internet?

Then stop the FTP server ASAP and switch to scp immediately.


-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#69477

On 08/07/2025 12:41, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2025-07-08 02:29, Paul R Schmidtbleicher wrote:
>> On 7/5/25 11:28 AM, Paul R Schmidtbleicher wrote:
> 
>> Now, the next problem: the server (pure-ftpd) is on LEAP and Client 
>> Filezilla is on Tumbleweed
>> (1) Client Filezilla on Tumbleweed (LocalSite) shows from "/" the 
>> whole filesystem & filestructure
>> (2) Server "pure-ftpd" is (Remote site) on LEAP computer. The call for 
> 
> STOP.
> 
> Is this a remote computer? The connection is via internet?
> 
> Then stop the FTP server ASAP and switch to scp immediately.
> 
> 
Who made you God?


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diverted our attention away from what really matters to our existential 
survival, to indulging in navel gazing and faux moral investigations 
into what the world ought to be, whilst we fail utterly to deal with 
what it actually is.

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#69478

The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 08/07/2025 12:41, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> On 2025-07-08 02:29, Paul R Schmidtbleicher wrote:
>>> On 7/5/25 11:28 AM, Paul R Schmidtbleicher wrote:
>>
>>> Now, the next problem: the server (pure-ftpd) is on LEAP and Client 
>>> Filezilla is on Tumbleweed
>>> (1) Client Filezilla on Tumbleweed (LocalSite) shows from "/" the 
>>> whole filesystem & filestructure
>>> (2) Server "pure-ftpd" is (Remote site) on LEAP computer. The call for 
>>
>> STOP.
>>
>> Is this a remote computer? The connection is via internet?
>>
>> Then stop the FTP server ASAP and switch to scp immediately.
>>
>>
> Who made you God?
> 
> 

You are totally missing his point - FTP is insecure, an open door into a 
filesystem.  Only run FTP on a world-accessible server if you *really* 
know what you are doing.

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#69479

On 08/07/2025 15:28, R Daneel Olivaw wrote:
> The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 08/07/2025 12:41, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>> On 2025-07-08 02:29, Paul R Schmidtbleicher wrote:
>>>> On 7/5/25 11:28 AM, Paul R Schmidtbleicher wrote:
>>>
>>>> Now, the next problem: the server (pure-ftpd) is on LEAP and Client 
>>>> Filezilla is on Tumbleweed
>>>> (1) Client Filezilla on Tumbleweed (LocalSite) shows from "/" the 
>>>> whole filesystem & filestructure
>>>> (2) Server "pure-ftpd" is (Remote site) on LEAP computer. The call for 
>>>
>>> STOP.
>>>
>>> Is this a remote computer? The connection is via internet?
>>>
>>> Then stop the FTP server ASAP and switch to scp immediately.
>>>
>>>
>> Who made you God?
>>
>>
> 
> You are totally missing his point - FTP is insecure, an open door into a 
> filesystem.  Only run FTP on a world-accessible server if you *really* 
> know what you are doing.
I am not missing the point
You are

Who said it was world-accessible?
AFAICR it is internal to his LAN.


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fill the world with fools.”

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#69480

On Tue, 8 Jul 2025 16:14:31 +0100
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> Who said it was world-accessible?
> AFAICR it is internal to his LAN.

Verbatim, from the OP:

> My goal: On the same router x.x.x.16 (Tumbleweed) x.x.x.44

Always a thrill when the Very Concerned Security Experts don't bother
to check the context before jumping in to border-collie the Dangerously
Insecure :/

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#69482

On Tue, 8 Jul 2025 08:58:30 -0700, John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com>
wrote in <20250708085830.00001d31@gmail.com>:

> On Tue, 8 Jul 2025 16:14:31 +0100
> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> Who said it was world-accessible?
>> AFAICR it is internal to his LAN.
> 
> Verbatim, from the OP:
> 
>> My goal: On the same router x.x.x.16 (Tumbleweed) x.x.x.44
> 
> Always a thrill when the Very Concerned Security Experts don't bother
> to check the context before jumping in to border-collie the Dangerously
> Insecure :/

If I may interject:

I suggest using the sftp client, which encrypts your traffic (including
login information), and should allow you to see the files.

You can also set it up to auto-login as "root" using an ssh key in
your key agent.  Default setting (on Linux Mint) for /etc/ssh/sshd_config
is

PermitRootLogin prohibit-password

 ...which means you'll need to use a key to log in as
root, or change the setting.

Extra sidenote:  if you ever set things up to ssh in remotely from off
the Net, you might want to run denyhosts or fail2ban.

(Thunar can open sftp connections directly, btw.  Not sure about Dolphin.)

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#69485

On 8 Jul 2025 21:39:00 GMT, vallor wrote:

> (Thunar can open sftp connections directly, btw.  Not sure about
> Dolphin.)

Yes, Dolphin can add a folder using the sftp protocol.

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#69481

On 2025-07-08 17:14, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 08/07/2025 15:28, R Daneel Olivaw wrote:
>> The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 08/07/2025 12:41, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>> On 2025-07-08 02:29, Paul R Schmidtbleicher wrote:
>>>>> On 7/5/25 11:28 AM, Paul R Schmidtbleicher wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Now, the next problem: the server (pure-ftpd) is on LEAP and Client 
>>>>> Filezilla is on Tumbleweed
>>>>> (1) Client Filezilla on Tumbleweed (LocalSite) shows from "/" the 
>>>>> whole filesystem & filestructure
>>>>> (2) Server "pure-ftpd" is (Remote site) on LEAP computer. The call for 
.................................************
>>>>
>>>> STOP.
>>>>
>>>> Is this a remote computer? The connection is via internet?
>>>>
>>>> Then stop the FTP server ASAP and switch to scp immediately.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Who made you God?
>>>
>>>
>>
>> You are totally missing his point - FTP is insecure, an open door into 
>> a filesystem.  Only run FTP on a world-accessible server if you 
>> *really* know what you are doing.
> I am not missing the point
> You are
> 
> Who said it was world-accessible?

He did.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#69486

On 7/8/25 12:36 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2025-07-08 17:14, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 08/07/2025 15:28, R Daneel Olivaw wrote:
>>> The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>> On 08/07/2025 12:41, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>>> On 2025-07-08 02:29, Paul R Schmidtbleicher wrote:
>>>>>> On 7/5/25 11:28 AM, Paul R Schmidtbleicher wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Now, the next problem: the server (pure-ftpd) is on LEAP and 
>>>>>> Client Filezilla is on Tumbleweed
>>>>>> (1) Client Filezilla on Tumbleweed (LocalSite) shows from "/" the 
>>>>>> whole filesystem & filestructure
>>>>>> (2) Server "pure-ftpd" is (Remote site) on LEAP computer. The call 
>>>>>> for 
> .................................************
>>>>>
>>>>> STOP.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is this a remote computer? The connection is via internet?
>>>>>
>>>>> Then stop the FTP server ASAP and switch to scp immediately.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Who made you God?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> You are totally missing his point - FTP is insecure, an open door 
>>> into a filesystem.  Only run FTP on a world-accessible server if you 
>>> *really* know what you are doing.
>> I am not missing the point
>> You are
>>
>> Who said it was world-accessible?
> 
> He did.
> 
Please Note: The two computers are in two separate rooms in the same 
house and on the same home fiber router (192.168.x.x)  The intent is to 
share files internally for time spent to move them and then shut off the 
FTP.  No outside use at all.

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#69492

On 2025-07-09 03:23, Paul R Schmidtbleicher wrote:
> On 7/8/25 12:36 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> On 2025-07-08 17:14, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 08/07/2025 15:28, R Daneel Olivaw wrote:


>>> Who said it was world-accessible?
>>
>> He did.
>>
> Please Note: The two computers are in two separate rooms in the same 
> house and on the same home fiber router (192.168.x.x)  The intent is to 
> share files internally for time spent to move them and then shut off the 
> FTP.  No outside use at all.

Ok, thanks for the clarification, the remote computer is in fact local.


That said, as you are using openSUSE, and if you actually do want FTP, 
the easiest route is using the tool YaST to install and configure an FTP 
server, which is vsftpd. And you have a well written book chapter to 
help you along:

<https://doc.opensuse.org/documentation/leap/reference/html/book-reference/cha-ftp.html>


Otherwise, it is far easier to use ssh type tools. You don't have to 
install nor setup anything, they are already installed (as long as you 
replied "YES" to the question during system install to install and run 
sshd⁽¹⁾).

scp (1)              - OpenSSH secure file copy

As simple as doing:

scp username@from_host:file.txt /local/directory/

You have more examples on 
<https://linuxblog.io/linux-securely-copy-files-using-scp/>, for instance.


Or you can use:

      sftp — OpenSSH secure file transfer


Which is a client tool similar in use to ftp. Again, you don't need to 
configure the server (the "remote" machine in your parlance). There are 
GUI file browsers that can present you with sftp transparently. Or a TUI 
like 'mc'.


Finally, there is "sshfs". Again, no configuration on the server, at 
all. In the client, you run:

   sshfs   NAME@192.168.1.14:/ ~/fusermount/

Where the directory "fusermount" or anyother name you choose must exist 
and should be empty. The root filesystem (or any other) of the server 
machine appears insude ~/fusermount/

When finished, you run:

    fusermount -u ~/fusermount

to severe the connection when finished. The advantage of this tool is 
that you can point any tool to ~/fusermount in order to use files as if 
they are local. Any tool, like LibreOffice, for instance.


All these tools from the ssh family have the advantage of not needing 
any configuration, aside from answering YES during the initial system 
installation. It is a single tcp port, the 22. And the connection is 
encrypted, it is Internet safe.


(1) 
<https://doc.opensuse.org/documentation/leap/startup/html/book-startup/art-opensuse-installquick.html#sec-opensuse-installquick-install>

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#69493

On 09/07/2025 02:23, Paul R Schmidtbleicher wrote:
> On 7/8/25 12:36 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> On 2025-07-08 17:14, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 08/07/2025 15:28, R Daneel Olivaw wrote:
>>>> The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>> On 08/07/2025 12:41, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>>>> On 2025-07-08 02:29, Paul R Schmidtbleicher wrote:
>>>>>>> On 7/5/25 11:28 AM, Paul R Schmidtbleicher wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now, the next problem: the server (pure-ftpd) is on LEAP and 
>>>>>>> Client Filezilla is on Tumbleweed
>>>>>>> (1) Client Filezilla on Tumbleweed (LocalSite) shows from "/" the 
>>>>>>> whole filesystem & filestructure
>>>>>>> (2) Server "pure-ftpd" is (Remote site) on LEAP computer. The 
>>>>>>> call for 
>> .................................************
>>>>>>
>>>>>> STOP.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is this a remote computer? The connection is via internet?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Then stop the FTP server ASAP and switch to scp immediately.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Who made you God?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You are totally missing his point - FTP is insecure, an open door 
>>>> into a filesystem.  Only run FTP on a world-accessible server if you 
>>>> *really* know what you are doing.
>>> I am not missing the point
>>> You are
>>>
>>> Who said it was world-accessible?
>>
>> He did.
>>
> Please Note: The two computers are in two separate rooms in the same 
> house and on the same home fiber router (192.168.x.x)  The intent is to 
> share files internally for time spent to move them and then shut off the 
> FTP.  No outside use at all.

Thank you. That is what I understood from the get go. Security not 
involved. Justsimplicity of setup

Personally here I use NFS as its an all linux house.

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let them."

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#69495

Paul R Schmidtbleicher <prschmi@attglobal.net> wrote:
>Please Note: The two computers are in two separate rooms in the same 
>house and on the same home fiber router (192.168.x.x)  The intent is to 
>share files internally for time spent to move them and then shut off the 
>FTP.  No outside use at all.

The transfer via ssh/rsync would have been over in the time you had
written your internal request. Don't ever use ftp. It's insecure,
clumsy, and hard to configure. We have the 2020ies now.

Greetings
Marc
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#69484

On Tue, 8 Jul 2025 16:14:31 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> Who said it was world-accessible? AFAICR it is internal to his LAN.

If the LAN has a wi-fi router on it, then it might indeed be world-
accessible.

The assumption that your network has some kind of “perimeter” that it is 
sufficient to defend, to keep bad guys out, is looking pretty naïve these 
days.

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#69483

On Tue, 8 Jul 2025 14:11:17 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> Who made you God?

The irony of someone with a handle like yours saying that ...

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