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  Question re alt.comp.os.linux "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-08-14 22:49 +0200
    Re: Question re alt.comp.os.linux Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2019-08-14 17:30 -0400
      Re: Question re alt.comp.os.linux "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-08-15 00:17 +0200
        Re: Question re alt.comp.os.linux Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2019-08-14 18:30 -0400
          Re: Question re alt.comp.os.linux "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-08-15 12:49 +0200
            Re: Question re alt.comp.os.linux wimpunk <wimpunk+news@gmail.com> - 2019-08-19 16:21 +0200
              Re: Question re alt.comp.os.linux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2019-08-19 16:27 +0100
                Re: Question re alt.comp.os.linux "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-08-19 23:10 +0200
                  Re: Question re alt.comp.os.linux dillinger <dillinger@invalid.not> - 2019-08-19 23:50 +0200
                    Re: Question re alt.comp.os.linux "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-08-20 22:58 +0200
                      Re: Question re alt.comp.os.linux dillinger <dillinger@invalid.not> - 2019-08-21 16:37 +0200
                        Re: Question re alt.comp.os.linux "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-08-22 00:57 +0200
                          Re: Question re alt.comp.os.linux dillinger <dillinger@invalid.not> - 2019-08-22 07:37 +0200
                        Re: Question re alt.comp.os.linux Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2019-08-21 21:37 -0600
                          Re: Question re alt.comp.os.linux dillinger <dillinger@invalid.not> - 2019-08-22 07:35 +0200
                  Re: Question re alt.comp.os.linux Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-08-19 15:26 -0700
                    Re: Question re alt.comp.os.linux Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2019-08-19 18:52 -0400
                      Re: Question re alt.comp.os.linux "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-08-20 23:03 +0200
                        Re: Question re alt.comp.os.linux Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2019-08-20 17:55 -0400
                          Re: Question re alt.comp.os.linux "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-08-21 11:32 +0200
                            Re: Question re alt.comp.os.linux Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2019-08-21 07:13 -0400
                              Re: Question re alt.comp.os.linux "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-08-22 00:44 +0200
                            Re: Question re alt.comp.os.linux Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2019-08-21 07:42 -0400
                              Re: Question re alt.comp.os.linux "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-08-22 00:28 +0200
                            Re: Question re alt.comp.os.linux William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2019-08-21 15:43 +0000
                              Re: Question re alt.comp.os.linux "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-08-22 00:30 +0200
                        Re: Question re alt.comp.os.linux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2019-08-21 17:53 +0100
                          Re: Question re alt.comp.os.linux Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2019-08-21 18:53 +0000
                            Re: Question re alt.comp.os.linux "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-08-22 00:53 +0200
                              Re: Question re alt.comp.os.linux Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2019-08-22 02:33 +0000
                                Re: Question re alt.comp.os.linux Wildman <best_lay@yahoo.com> - 2019-08-21 22:24 -0500
                                Re: Question re alt.comp.os.linux "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-08-24 09:42 +0200
                          Re: Question re alt.comp.os.linux "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-08-22 00:48 +0200
                    Re: Question re alt.comp.os.linux "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-08-20 22:58 +0200
    Re: Question re alt.comp.os.linux "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-08-14 17:56 -0400
    Re: Question re alt.comp.os.linux Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-08-14 15:23 -0700
      Re: Question re alt.comp.os.linux "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-08-15 12:52 +0200
        Re: Question re alt.comp.os.linux Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-08-15 07:14 -0700
        Re: Question re alt.comp.os.linux dillinger <dillinger@invalid.not> - 2019-08-15 17:33 +0200
          Re: Question re alt.comp.os.linux "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-08-15 17:57 +0200
            Re: Question re alt.comp.os.linux jrg <jeff.g.group@att.net> - 2019-08-15 10:24 -0700
              Re: Question re alt.comp.os.linux "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-08-15 19:40 +0200
                Re: Question re alt.comp.os.linux John-Paul Stewart <jpstewart@sympatico.ca> - 2019-08-15 15:09 -0400
                  Re: Question re alt.comp.os.linux "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-08-15 21:33 +0200
                    Re: Question re alt.comp.os.linux John-Paul Stewart <jpstewart@sympatico.ca> - 2019-08-15 16:03 -0400
                      Re: Question re alt.comp.os.linux "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-08-15 22:17 +0200
              Re: Question re alt.comp.os.linux Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2019-08-15 12:53 -0600
                Re: Question re alt.comp.os.linux "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-08-15 21:33 +0200
            Re: Question re alt.comp.os.linux Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2019-08-15 15:42 -0400
    Re: Question re alt.comp.os.linux Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2019-08-14 19:33 -0600
    Re: Question re alt.comp.os.linux Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2019-08-14 23:52 -0400
    Re: Question re alt.comp.os.linux Chris Elvidge <chris@mshome.net> - 2019-08-15 11:35 +0200
    Re: Question re alt.comp.os.linux Peter 'Shaggy' Haywood <phaywood@alphalink.com.au> - 2019-08-31 02:15 +1000
      Re: Question re alt.comp.os.linux "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-08-30 20:24 -0400
      Re: Question re alt.comp.os.linux William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2019-08-31 03:54 +0000
        Re: Question re alt.comp.os.linux "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-08-31 00:03 -0400
          Re: Question re alt.comp.os.linux Peter 'Shaggy' Haywood <phaywood@alphalink.com.au> - 2019-09-02 13:37 +1000
            Re: Question re alt.comp.os.linux "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-09-02 19:54 -0400
              Re: Question re alt.comp.os.linux Peter 'Shaggy' Haywood <phaywood@alphalink.com.au> - 2019-09-04 19:37 +1000
        Re: Question re alt.comp.os.linux Peter 'Shaggy' Haywood <phaywood@alphalink.com.au> - 2019-09-02 13:34 +1000

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#27855 — Question re alt.comp.os.linux

Hi,

Since some days ago Thunderbird insists that the groups
alt.comp.os.linux (and alt.comp.lang.pascal) do not exist and wants to
unsubscribe from them. I hit cancel, but after a while it asks again.

1) How can I make it stop? Because I see those groups in the lists of
groups to subscribe to. Asking once is enough, I said no. Asking a
hundred times a day...

And the directory /var/spool/news/alt/comp/os/linux is populated with
old messages (I use leafnode), so the group does exist on the server.

2) Have those groups really disappeared?

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#27856

On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 22:49:55 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>
> Since some days ago Thunderbird insists that the groups
> alt.comp.os.linux (and alt.comp.lang.pascal) do not exist and wants to
> unsubscribe from them. I hit cancel, but after a while it asks again.
>
> 1) How can I make it stop? Because I see those groups in the lists of
> groups to subscribe to. Asking once is enough, I said no. Asking a
> hundred times a day...
>
> And the directory /var/spool/news/alt/comp/os/linux is populated with
> old messages (I use leafnode), so the group does exist on the server.
>
> 2) Have those groups really disappeared?

Does TB has an option to refresh the groups?
-- 
Andreas

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#27858

On 14/08/2019 23.30, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 22:49:55 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>
>> Since some days ago Thunderbird insists that the groups
>> alt.comp.os.linux (and alt.comp.lang.pascal) do not exist and wants to
>> unsubscribe from them. I hit cancel, but after a while it asks again.
>>
>> 1) How can I make it stop? Because I see those groups in the lists of
>> groups to subscribe to. Asking once is enough, I said no. Asking a
>> hundred times a day...
>>
>> And the directory /var/spool/news/alt/comp/os/linux is populated with
>> old messages (I use leafnode), so the group does exist on the server.
>>
>> 2) Have those groups really disappeared?
> 
> Does TB has an option to refresh the groups?

Ok, yes, I used it now.

alt.comp.os.linux    -> disappeared from list.
alt.comp.lang.pascal -> disappeared from list.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#27860

On Thu, 15 Aug 2019 00:17:20 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>
> On 14/08/2019 23.30, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
>> On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 22:49:55 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>
>>> Since some days ago Thunderbird insists that the groups
>>> alt.comp.os.linux (and alt.comp.lang.pascal) do not exist and wants to
>>> unsubscribe from them. I hit cancel, but after a while it asks again.
>>>
>>> 1) How can I make it stop? Because I see those groups in the lists of
>>> groups to subscribe to. Asking once is enough, I said no. Asking a
>>> hundred times a day...
>>>
>>> And the directory /var/spool/news/alt/comp/os/linux is populated with
>>> old messages (I use leafnode), so the group does exist on the server.
>>>
>>> 2) Have those groups really disappeared?
>> 
>> Does TB has an option to refresh the groups?
>
> Ok, yes, I used it now.
>
> alt.comp.os.linux    -> disappeared from list.
> alt.comp.lang.pascal -> disappeared from list.

Then your ISP doesn't hold alt.comp.os.linux or alt.comp.lang.pascal
anymore. Consider to use a different ISP providing if these usenet
groups. Or ask your ISP to re-add them.
-- 
Andreas

My random thoughts and comments
https://news-commentaries.blogspot.com/

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#27864

On 15/08/2019 00.30, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Aug 2019 00:17:20 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>
>> On 14/08/2019 23.30, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
>>> On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 22:49:55 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Since some days ago Thunderbird insists that the groups
>>>> alt.comp.os.linux (and alt.comp.lang.pascal) do not exist and wants to
>>>> unsubscribe from them. I hit cancel, but after a while it asks again.
>>>>
>>>> 1) How can I make it stop? Because I see those groups in the lists of
>>>> groups to subscribe to. Asking once is enough, I said no. Asking a
>>>> hundred times a day...
>>>>
>>>> And the directory /var/spool/news/alt/comp/os/linux is populated with
>>>> old messages (I use leafnode), so the group does exist on the server.
>>>>
>>>> 2) Have those groups really disappeared?
>>>
>>> Does TB has an option to refresh the groups?
>>
>> Ok, yes, I used it now.
>>
>> alt.comp.os.linux    -> disappeared from list.
>> alt.comp.lang.pascal -> disappeared from list.

Still Thunderbird complains.

> 
> Then your ISP doesn't hold alt.comp.os.linux or alt.comp.lang.pascal
> anymore. Consider to use a different ISP providing if these usenet
> groups. Or ask your ISP to re-add them.

Not my ISP.
Individual.NET and aioe.org

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#27878

In comp.os.linux.misc Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> On 15/08/2019 00.30, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
>> On Thu, 15 Aug 2019 00:17:20 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>
>>> On 14/08/2019 23.30, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 22:49:55 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Since some days ago Thunderbird insists that the groups
>>>>> alt.comp.os.linux (and alt.comp.lang.pascal) do not exist and wants to
>>>>> unsubscribe from them. I hit cancel, but after a while it asks again.
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) How can I make it stop? Because I see those groups in the lists of
>>>>> groups to subscribe to. Asking once is enough, I said no. Asking a
>>>>> hundred times a day...
>>>>>
>>>>> And the directory /var/spool/news/alt/comp/os/linux is populated with
>>>>> old messages (I use leafnode), so the group does exist on the server.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2) Have those groups really disappeared?
>>>>
>>>> Does TB has an option to refresh the groups?
>>>
>>> Ok, yes, I used it now.
>>>
>>> alt.comp.os.linux    -> disappeared from list.
>>> alt.comp.lang.pascal -> disappeared from list.
> 
> Still Thunderbird complains.
> 
>> 
>> Then your ISP doesn't hold alt.comp.os.linux or alt.comp.lang.pascal
>> anymore. Consider to use a different ISP providing if these usenet
>> groups. Or ask your ISP to re-add them.
> 
> Not my ISP.
> Individual.NET and aioe.org
> 

I've got a simular problem with thunderbird a while ago.  I had to edit
the leafnode files to get it fixed.  As far as I reminder I had to
remove the bad newsgroups from the leafnode subscribsion list.

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#27879

On 19/08/2019 15:21, wimpunk wrote:
> In comp.os.linux.misc Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>> On 15/08/2019 00.30, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
>>> On Thu, 15 Aug 2019 00:17:20 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 14/08/2019 23.30, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 22:49:55 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Since some days ago Thunderbird insists that the groups
>>>>>> alt.comp.os.linux (and alt.comp.lang.pascal) do not exist and wants to
>>>>>> unsubscribe from them. I hit cancel, but after a while it asks again.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1) How can I make it stop? Because I see those groups in the lists of
>>>>>> groups to subscribe to. Asking once is enough, I said no. Asking a
>>>>>> hundred times a day...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And the directory /var/spool/news/alt/comp/os/linux is populated with
>>>>>> old messages (I use leafnode), so the group does exist on the server.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2) Have those groups really disappeared?
>>>>>
>>>>> Does TB has an option to refresh the groups?
>>>>
>>>> Ok, yes, I used it now.
>>>>
>>>> alt.comp.os.linux    -> disappeared from list.
>>>> alt.comp.lang.pascal -> disappeared from list.
>>
>> Still Thunderbird complains.
>>
>>>
>>> Then your ISP doesn't hold alt.comp.os.linux or alt.comp.lang.pascal
>>> anymore. Consider to use a different ISP providing if these usenet
>>> groups. Or ask your ISP to re-add them.
>>
>> Not my ISP.
>> Individual.NET and aioe.org
>>
> 
> I've got a simular problem with thunderbird a while ago.  I had to edit
> the leafnode files to get it fixed.  As far as I reminder I had to
> remove the bad newsgroups from the leafnode subscribsion list.
> 
possibly just deinstall or delete the entire data directory?

It doesn't take long to start over, re subscribe,  and download the last 
few hundred posts


-- 
New Socialism consists essentially in being seen to have your heart in 
the right place whilst your head is in the clouds and your hand is in 
someone else's pocket.

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#27880

On 19/08/2019 17.27, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 19/08/2019 15:21, wimpunk wrote:
>> In comp.os.linux.misc Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>> On 15/08/2019 00.30, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 15 Aug 2019 00:17:20 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On 14/08/2019 23.30, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 22:49:55 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Since some days ago Thunderbird insists that the groups
>>>>>>> alt.comp.os.linux (and alt.comp.lang.pascal) do not exist and
>>>>>>> wants to
>>>>>>> unsubscribe from them. I hit cancel, but after a while it asks
>>>>>>> again.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1) How can I make it stop? Because I see those groups in the
>>>>>>> lists of
>>>>>>> groups to subscribe to. Asking once is enough, I said no. Asking a
>>>>>>> hundred times a day...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And the directory /var/spool/news/alt/comp/os/linux is populated
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>> old messages (I use leafnode), so the group does exist on the
>>>>>>> server.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2) Have those groups really disappeared?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Does TB has an option to refresh the groups?
>>>>>
>>>>> Ok, yes, I used it now.
>>>>>
>>>>> alt.comp.os.linux    -> disappeared from list.
>>>>> alt.comp.lang.pascal -> disappeared from list.
>>>
>>> Still Thunderbird complains.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Then your ISP doesn't hold alt.comp.os.linux or alt.comp.lang.pascal
>>>> anymore. Consider to use a different ISP providing if these usenet
>>>> groups. Or ask your ISP to re-add them.
>>>
>>> Not my ISP.
>>> Individual.NET and aioe.org
>>>
>>
>> I've got a simular problem with thunderbird a while ago.  I had to edit
>> the leafnode files to get it fixed.  As far as I reminder I had to
>> remove the bad newsgroups from the leafnode subscribsion list.

The situation is the reverse. The messages and the group are there in
leafnode, but Th thinks not and insists on deleting the subscription.

>>
> possibly just deinstall or delete the entire data directory?
> 
> It doesn't take long to start over, re subscribe,  and download the last
> few hundred posts

Takes hours to delete a million files tree, and repopulate it again.
Thunderbird loses track of the posts that have been read or not in the
procedure.

Notice that one of the reasons I use leafnode is that Thunderbird does
not store (in my computer) the messages itself, only an index, that's
how I configure it. Th is very inefficient in storing groups, uses a
single file with holes.



-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#27881

On 8/19/19 11:10 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:

> Takes hours to delete a million files tree, and repopulate it again.
> Thunderbird loses track of the posts that have been read or not in the
> procedure.
> 

That's a bit over the top, isn't it?

You can configure leafnode (with regex) so that it only downloads the 
groups you're (likely to be) interested in.

Examples from my leafnode 2 config:

server = some.news.server
nodesc = 1
only_groups_pcre = (alt\.|comp\.|)os\.linux($|\.(mi|sl|ub|deb|sus|ha).*)


server = news.mozilla.org
nodesc = 1
only_groups_pcre = mozilla\.((dev\.apps|support)\.(th|fi)|general)

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#27885

On 19/08/2019 23.50, dillinger wrote:
> On 8/19/19 11:10 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> 
>> Takes hours to delete a million files tree, and repopulate it again.
>> Thunderbird loses track of the posts that have been read or not in the
>> procedure.
>>
> 
> That's a bit over the top, isn't it?
> 
> You can configure leafnode (with regex) so that it only downloads the
> groups you're (likely to be) interested in.
> 
> Examples from my leafnode 2 config:
> 
> server = some.news.server
> nodesc = 1
> only_groups_pcre = (alt\.|comp\.|)os\.linux($|\.(mi|sl|ub|deb|sus|ha).*)
> 
> 
> server = news.mozilla.org
> nodesc = 1
> only_groups_pcre = mozilla\.((dev\.apps|support)\.(th|fi)|general)

It, automatically, only populate those groups into which I show
interest. Yet there are "2,085,484 KiB in 812542 files". I just checked.
I have, in the past, deleted the structure and took what it appeared to
be an hour. I don't remember its size that day, but I seem to recall a
million files - because I have set a long timeout for cleaning.

It is a reiserfs partition.

If you are interested, I can replicate the structure and delete the
replica, timing it...

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#27891

On 8/20/19 10:58 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:

> On 19/08/2019 23.50, dillinger wrote:
>> On 8/19/19 11:10 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>
>>> Takes hours to delete a million files tree, and repopulate it again.
>>> Thunderbird loses track of the posts that have been read or not in the
>>> procedure.
>>>
>>
>> That's a bit over the top, isn't it?
>>
>> You can configure leafnode (with regex) so that it only downloads the
>> groups you're (likely to be) interested in.
>>
>> Examples from my leafnode 2 config:
>>
>> server = some.news.server
>> nodesc = 1
>> only_groups_pcre = (alt\.|comp\.|)os\.linux($|\.(mi|sl|ub|deb|sus|ha).*)
>>
>>
>> server = news.mozilla.org
>> nodesc = 1
>> only_groups_pcre = mozilla\.((dev\.apps|support)\.(th|fi)|general)
> 
> It, automatically, only populate those groups into which I show
> interest. Yet there are "2,085,484 KiB in 812542 files". I just checked.
> I have, in the past, deleted the structure and took what it appeared to
> be an hour. I don't remember its size that day, but I seem to recall a
> million files - because I have set a long timeout for cleaning.
> 
> It is a reiserfs partition.
> 
> If you are interested, I can replicate the structure and delete the
> replica, timing it...
> 

Don't bother, I believe you :)
But 2 GiB is really large, how many groups are you reading?
Are you reading any groups with binaries? That could explain something.
Anyway, over here /var/spool/news is 34.4 MiB in 13235 items.
Leafnode reads only 15 groups and Thunderbird reads only 10 of those 15.
fetchnews -fvvv takes 5 seconds on an old PII.

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#27900

On 21/08/2019 16.37, dillinger wrote:
> On 8/20/19 10:58 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> 
>> On 19/08/2019 23.50, dillinger wrote:
>>> On 8/19/19 11:10 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>
>>>> Takes hours to delete a million files tree, and repopulate it again.
>>>> Thunderbird loses track of the posts that have been read or not in the
>>>> procedure.
>>>>
>>>
>>> That's a bit over the top, isn't it?
>>>
>>> You can configure leafnode (with regex) so that it only downloads the
>>> groups you're (likely to be) interested in.
>>>
>>> Examples from my leafnode 2 config:
>>>
>>> server = some.news.server
>>> nodesc = 1
>>> only_groups_pcre = (alt\.|comp\.|)os\.linux($|\.(mi|sl|ub|deb|sus|ha).*)
>>>
>>>
>>> server = news.mozilla.org
>>> nodesc = 1
>>> only_groups_pcre = mozilla\.((dev\.apps|support)\.(th|fi)|general)
>>
>> It, automatically, only populate those groups into which I show
>> interest. Yet there are "2,085,484 KiB in 812542 files". I just checked.
>> I have, in the past, deleted the structure and took what it appeared to
>> be an hour. I don't remember its size that day, but I seem to recall a
>> million files - because I have set a long timeout for cleaning.
>>
>> It is a reiserfs partition.
>>
>> If you are interested, I can replicate the structure and delete the
>> replica, timing it...
>>
> 
> Don't bother, I believe you :)
> But 2 GiB is really large, how many groups are you reading?

Not that many, just 30, and several are empty. But there is also a
partial copy of the defunct nntp.opensuse.org server.

> Are you reading any groups with binaries? That could explain something.

No, no binaries.

> Anyway, over here /var/spool/news is 34.4 MiB in 13235 items.
> Leafnode reads only 15 groups and Thunderbird reads only 10 of those 15.
> fetchnews -fvvv takes 5 seconds on an old PII.

Probably different purge timeouts. I keep a minimum of two years,
sometimes five.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#27905

On 8/22/19 12:57 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:

> On 21/08/2019 16.37, dillinger wrote:
>> On 8/20/19 10:58 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>
>>> On 19/08/2019 23.50, dillinger wrote:
>>>> On 8/19/19 11:10 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Takes hours to delete a million files tree, and repopulate it again.
>>>>> Thunderbird loses track of the posts that have been read or not in the
>>>>> procedure.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That's a bit over the top, isn't it?
>>>>
>>>> You can configure leafnode (with regex) so that it only downloads the
>>>> groups you're (likely to be) interested in.
>>>>
>>>> Examples from my leafnode 2 config:
>>>>
>>>> server = some.news.server
>>>> nodesc = 1
>>>> only_groups_pcre = (alt\.|comp\.|)os\.linux($|\.(mi|sl|ub|deb|sus|ha).*)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> server = news.mozilla.org
>>>> nodesc = 1
>>>> only_groups_pcre = mozilla\.((dev\.apps|support)\.(th|fi)|general)
>>>
>>> It, automatically, only populate those groups into which I show
>>> interest. Yet there are "2,085,484 KiB in 812542 files". I just checked.
>>> I have, in the past, deleted the structure and took what it appeared to
>>> be an hour. I don't remember its size that day, but I seem to recall a
>>> million files - because I have set a long timeout for cleaning.
>>>
>>> It is a reiserfs partition.
>>>
>>> If you are interested, I can replicate the structure and delete the
>>> replica, timing it...
>>>
>>
>> Don't bother, I believe you :)
>> But 2 GiB is really large, how many groups are you reading?
> 
> Not that many, just 30, and several are empty. But there is also a
> partial copy of the defunct nntp.opensuse.org server.
> 
>> Are you reading any groups with binaries? That could explain something.
> 
> No, no binaries.
> 
>> Anyway, over here /var/spool/news is 34.4 MiB in 13235 items.
>> Leafnode reads only 15 groups and Thunderbird reads only 10 of those 15.
>> fetchnews -fvvv takes 5 seconds on an old PII.
> 
> Probably different purge timeouts. I keep a minimum of two years,
> sometimes five.
> 

Probably, my minimum is 6 months.

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#27903

On 8/21/19 8:37 AM, dillinger wrote:
> But 2 GiB is really large, how many groups are you reading?

2 GB is nothing.

My /var/spool/news, which has full text-only feeds going back ~18 months 
is 47 GB.

My transit server (again text-only) retains 30 days worth of articles 
and is 5+ GB.

> Are you reading any groups with binaries? That could explain something.
> Anyway, over here /var/spool/news is 34.4 MiB in 13235 items.

I see 50–75 MB of news per day on my servers.



-- 
Grant. . . .
unix || die

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#27904

On 8/22/19 5:37 AM, Grant Taylor wrote:

> On 8/21/19 8:37 AM, dillinger wrote:
>> But 2 GiB is really large, how many groups are you reading?
> 
> 2 GB is nothing.
> 
> My /var/spool/news, which has full text-only feeds going back ~18 months 
> is 47 GB.
> 
> My transit server (again text-only) retains 30 days worth of articles 
> and is 5+ GB.
> 
>> Are you reading any groups with binaries? That could explain something.
>> Anyway, over here /var/spool/news is 34.4 MiB in 13235 items.
> 
> I see 50–75 MB of news per day on my servers.
> 
> 
> 

Great, but I have no time to read that much and I'm not running a news 
server for some you name it.
To me it looks like you're caching the internet :)

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#27882

Carlos E.R. wrote:
> The messages and the group are there in
> leafnode, but Th thinks not and insists on deleting the subscription.

Tb has a method of clearing its index.

If you are in Classic view w/ a folder pane, select the problem group 
and R click it and use the context menu for Properties.  In the window 
that comes up (Folder properties title) select the Repair folder button. 
  That will effectively delete the .msf file for the group.

You will lose your pointers for the group and the msg index will be 
empty and need to be repopulated by dl/ing xx msgs (which is actually 
the msg headers only).

If leafnode has those msgs and Tb and leafnode are in harmony, it should 
dl what leafnode has.

-- 
Mike Easter

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#27883

Mike Easter wrote:
> Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> The messages and the group are there in
>> leafnode, but Th thinks not and insists on deleting the subscription.
> 
> Tb has a method of clearing its index.
> 
> If you are in Classic view w/ a folder pane, select the problem group 
> and R click it and use the context menu for Properties.  In the window 
> that comes up (Folder properties title) select the Repair folder button. 
>  That will effectively delete the .msf file for the group.
> 
> You will lose your pointers for the group and the msg index will be 
> empty and need to be repopulated by dl/ing xx msgs (which is actually 
> the msg headers only).
> 
> If leafnode has those msgs and Tb and leafnode are in harmony, it should 
> dl what leafnode has.
> 

I think I would take a backup before punching buttons
on a thing with "a million" or "millions of files"
behind it.

This sounds like some kind of "hard drive punishment test" :-)

    Paul

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#27886

On 20/08/2019 00.52, Paul wrote:
> Mike Easter wrote:
>> Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>> The messages and the group are there in
>>> leafnode, but Th thinks not and insists on deleting the subscription.
>>
>> Tb has a method of clearing its index.
>>
>> If you are in Classic view w/ a folder pane, select the problem group
>> and R click it and use the context menu for Properties.  In the window
>> that comes up (Folder properties title) select the Repair folder
>> button.  That will effectively delete the .msf file for the group.
>>
>> You will lose your pointers for the group and the msg index will be
>> empty and need to be repopulated by dl/ing xx msgs (which is actually
>> the msg headers only).
>>
>> If leafnode has those msgs and Tb and leafnode are in harmony, it
>> should dl what leafnode has.
>>
> 
> I think I would take a backup before punching buttons
> on a thing with "a million" or "millions of files"
> behind it.
> 
> This sounds like some kind of "hard drive punishment test" :-)

It is :-)

I can see the hard disks grinding when I trigger a backup - a day and a
half. Not of news, but everything.


Once I tested several filesystems types by creating a million small
files in a single directory. Only two passed: reiserfs brilliantly, and
xfs (I think this got full at 800000 or so). btrfs crashed itself and
crashed the machine, and before that it got veeeery slow.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#27887

Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 20/08/2019 00.52, Paul wrote:
>> Mike Easter wrote:
>>> Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>> The messages and the group are there in
>>>> leafnode, but Th thinks not and insists on deleting the subscription.
>>> Tb has a method of clearing its index.
>>>
>>> If you are in Classic view w/ a folder pane, select the problem group
>>> and R click it and use the context menu for Properties.  In the window
>>> that comes up (Folder properties title) select the Repair folder
>>> button.  That will effectively delete the .msf file for the group.
>>>
>>> You will lose your pointers for the group and the msg index will be
>>> empty and need to be repopulated by dl/ing xx msgs (which is actually
>>> the msg headers only).
>>>
>>> If leafnode has those msgs and Tb and leafnode are in harmony, it
>>> should dl what leafnode has.
>>>
>> I think I would take a backup before punching buttons
>> on a thing with "a million" or "millions of files"
>> behind it.
>>
>> This sounds like some kind of "hard drive punishment test" :-)
> 
> It is :-)
> 
> I can see the hard disks grinding when I trigger a backup - a day and a
> half. Not of news, but everything.
> 
> 
> Once I tested several filesystems types by creating a million small
> files in a single directory. Only two passed: reiserfs brilliantly, and
> xfs (I think this got full at 800000 or so). btrfs crashed itself and
> crashed the machine, and before that it got veeeery slow.

Macrium Reflect Free does a "sequential cluster backup".
It makes a list, in increasing order, of every cluster that
makes up the file system.

The advantage of this during backups, is less "random access"
of the disk surface during a backup.

*******

If you used an SSD for the million files, backup would
take no time at all.

*******

If there are too many small files on a rotating disk drive, to make
for an efficient file-by-file access, you can always do a
"dd" backup instead. It isn't very often though, that the
conditions are right for that. It can turn a 10 minute
backup effort into a 15 hour job. However, if your backup
takes a day and a half anyway, then fifteen hours is an improvement :-/

    Paul

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#27888

On 20/08/2019 23.55, Paul wrote:
> Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> On 20/08/2019 00.52, Paul wrote:
>>> Mike Easter wrote:
>>>> Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>>> The messages and the group are there in
>>>>> leafnode, but Th thinks not and insists on deleting the subscription.
>>>> Tb has a method of clearing its index.
>>>>
>>>> If you are in Classic view w/ a folder pane, select the problem group
>>>> and R click it and use the context menu for Properties.  In the window
>>>> that comes up (Folder properties title) select the Repair folder
>>>> button.  That will effectively delete the .msf file for the group.
>>>>
>>>> You will lose your pointers for the group and the msg index will be
>>>> empty and need to be repopulated by dl/ing xx msgs (which is actually
>>>> the msg headers only).
>>>>
>>>> If leafnode has those msgs and Tb and leafnode are in harmony, it
>>>> should dl what leafnode has.
>>>>
>>> I think I would take a backup before punching buttons
>>> on a thing with "a million" or "millions of files"
>>> behind it.
>>>
>>> This sounds like some kind of "hard drive punishment test" :-)
>>
>> It is :-)
>>
>> I can see the hard disks grinding when I trigger a backup - a day and a
>> half. Not of news, but everything.
>>
>>
>> Once I tested several filesystems types by creating a million small
>> files in a single directory. Only two passed: reiserfs brilliantly, and
>> xfs (I think this got full at 800000 or so). btrfs crashed itself and
>> crashed the machine, and before that it got veeeery slow.
> 
> Macrium Reflect Free does a "sequential cluster backup".
> It makes a list, in increasing order, of every cluster that
> makes up the file system.

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macrium_Reflect>

«Macrium Reflect is backup utility for Microsoft Windows developed by
Paramount Software UK Ltd in 2006. It creates disk images and file
backup archives using Microsoft Volume Shadow Copy Service to ensure
'point in time' data»


Remember that I use Linux?

> 
> The advantage of this during backups, is less "random access"
> of the disk surface during a backup.
> 
> *******
> 
> If you used an SSD for the million files, backup would
> take no time at all.


And do two million accesses to the ssd, wearing it out. No thank you.


When I want to do an efficient backup of the news store, I use a tar
archive. That is reasonably fast and compact.

> *******
> 
> If there are too many small files on a rotating disk drive, to make
> for an efficient file-by-file access, you can always do a
> "dd" backup instead. It isn't very often though, that the
> conditions are right for that. It can turn a 10 minute
> backup effort into a 15 hour job. However, if your backup
> takes a day and a half anyway, then fifteen hours is an improvement :-/

Certainly, I know. It would actually take longer, as it has to backup
empty disk space as well. Now, clonezilla would be faster, but I would
have to pull the computer off line.  I use rsync while actually using
the computer. I know it is not a static photo, but it is good enough.



My intention here was not look for a better backup strategy, but show
the effects of a million files store, even on simple operations such as
"delete tree".

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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