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Can't Avoid That Shit Rust - Even On Gentoo

Started byFarley Flud <ff@linux.rocks>
First post2024-09-21 12:03 +0000
Last post2025-02-28 20:54 +0000
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  Can't Avoid That Shit Rust - Even On Gentoo Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2024-09-21 12:03 +0000
    Re: Can't Avoid That Shit Rust - Even On Gentoo Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-09-21 08:34 -0400
      Re: Can't Avoid That Shit Rust - Even On Gentoo Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2024-09-21 13:29 +0000
        Re: Can't Avoid That Shit Rust - Even On Gentoo Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-09-21 16:24 -0400
    Re: Can't Avoid That Shit Rust - Even On Gentoo "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-09-24 02:45 -0400
      Re: Can't Avoid That Shit Rust - Even On Gentoo Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-24 07:17 +0000
        Re: Can't Avoid That Shit Rust - Even On Gentoo Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2024-09-24 11:16 +0100
          Re: Can't Avoid That Shit Rust - Even On Gentoo "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-09-25 02:00 -0400
        Re: Can't Avoid That Shit Rust - Even On Gentoo "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-09-25 01:44 -0400
          Re: Can't Avoid That Shit Rust - Even On Gentoo Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-25 06:46 +0000
          Re: Can't Avoid That Shit Rust - Even On Gentoo rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-25 07:25 +0000
            Re: Can't Avoid That Shit Rust - Even On Gentoo Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-25 19:11 +0000
      Re: Can't Avoid That Shit Rust - Even On Gentoo D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-09-24 10:01 +0200
        Re: Can't Avoid That Shit Rust - Even On Gentoo "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-09-25 02:28 -0400
          Re: Can't Avoid That Shit Rust - Even On Gentoo Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-25 06:48 +0000
            Re: Can't Avoid That Shit Rust - Even On Gentoo "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-09-27 22:32 -0400
      The joy of FORTRAN Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2024-09-24 05:26 -0700
        Re: The joy of FORTRAN snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2024-09-24 14:11 +0100
          Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-24 15:28 +0100
            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-24 18:24 +0000
              Re: The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-09-24 19:13 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-24 15:37 -0700
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-09-24 23:06 +0000
              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-24 21:14 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-24 23:45 +0000
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-09-25 06:52 +0000
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-25 07:06 +0000
                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-09-25 08:51 +0000
                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-26 17:52 -0700
                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-27 17:43 +0000
                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2024-09-27 17:55 +0000
                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN R Daneel Olivaw <Danny@hyperspace.vogon.gov> - 2024-09-27 19:58 +0200
                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-27 20:38 +0000
                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Gordon Henderson <gordon+usenet@drogon.net> - 2024-09-28 11:35 +0000
                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-28 10:54 -0700
                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-09-28 20:13 +0000
                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-28 10:54 -0700
                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2024-09-28 11:34 -0700
                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-09-27 20:56 +0000
                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-27 23:18 +0000
                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-28 10:54 -0700
                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2024-09-30 16:26 -0400
                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2024-09-25 07:17 -1000
                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2024-09-25 21:10 +0100
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-09-25 08:00 -0400
                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-09-25 15:12 +0000
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-26 17:51 -0700
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN moi <findlaybill@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2024-09-27 02:29 +0100
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-25 00:52 +0000
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-09-25 08:03 -0400
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2024-09-25 17:29 +0100
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-25 19:11 +0000
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-26 17:52 -0700
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) - 2024-09-27 04:23 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2024-09-24 16:05 -1000
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-25 02:40 +0000
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bozo User <anthk@disroot.org> - 2024-10-11 14:49 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-09-25 07:58 -0400
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-26 17:52 -0700
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Andy Walker <anw@cuboid.co.uk> - 2024-09-27 19:29 +0100
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-27 23:25 +0000
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-28 10:54 -0700
              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-24 15:37 -0700
              Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-24 23:42 +0000
              Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2024-09-25 17:22 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-25 21:23 +0000
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2024-09-25 21:40 +0000
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-09-25 21:50 +0000
            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-24 15:36 -0700
              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Louis Krupp <lkrupp@invalid.pssw.com.invalid> - 2024-09-25 02:45 -0600
              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-25 21:24 +0000
            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Woozy Song <suzyw0ng@outlook.com> - 2024-09-25 11:03 +0800
              Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-25 04:38 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-25 05:31 +0000
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-26 17:52 -0700
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2024-09-30 10:58 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-09-25 08:06 -0400
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN R Daneel Olivaw <Danny@hyperspace.vogon.gov> - 2024-09-25 17:01 +0200
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2024-09-25 17:45 +0100
                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-25 19:11 +0000
                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN R Daneel Olivaw <Danny@hyperspace.vogon.gov> - 2024-09-25 21:30 +0200
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-09-25 15:03 +0000
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2024-09-25 07:31 -1000
                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2024-09-26 08:47 +0100
                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2024-09-26 07:49 -1000
                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-26 20:48 +0000
                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-26 22:36 +0000
                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-26 23:07 +0000
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-26 01:32 +0000
                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-09-26 08:21 -0700
                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-26 20:52 +0000
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2024-09-26 08:42 +0100
                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-26 10:10 +0000
                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2024-09-26 11:49 +0100
                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-26 20:43 +0000
                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2024-09-26 18:01 -0700
                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-27 01:36 +0000
                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2024-09-27 10:43 +0100
                                  Re: The joy of VAX Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-27 23:29 +0000
                                    Re: The joy of VAX Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2024-09-28 19:05 +0100
                                      Re: The joy of VAX Robert Marshall <spam@capuchin.co.uk> - 2024-09-29 08:35 +0100
                                        Re: The joy of VAX Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-09-29 07:56 +0000
                                        Re: The joy of VAX Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-29 13:15 -0700
                              The joy of VAX C Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2024-09-28 12:27 -0700
                                Re: The joy of VAX C The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-28 22:03 +0100
                                Re: The joy of VAX C rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-29 02:53 +0000
                                Re: The joy of VAX C Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-29 13:15 -0700
                                  Re: The joy of VAX C Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-29 23:10 +0000
                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-26 17:52 -0700
                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-27 01:39 +0000
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-26 17:52 -0700
                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-09-27 14:18 +0000
                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-28 10:29 -0700
                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2024-09-27 09:55 -1000
                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2024-09-27 11:13 -1000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-09-25 08:34 -0700
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-09-25 09:07 -0700
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-25 21:30 +0000
                  TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2024-09-25 15:18 -0400
                    Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-09-29 01:44 -0400
                      Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-29 07:50 +0100
                        Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-29 07:06 +0000
                          Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2024-09-29 06:55 -0700
                            Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2024-09-29 09:08 -0700
                            Re: Procedural, Functional, String [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-29 23:21 +0000
                              Re: Procedural, Functional, String [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2024-09-29 16:25 -0700
                                Re: Procedural, Functional, String [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] p.dean@invalid.net (Peter Dean) - 2024-09-29 23:36 +0000
                                Re: Procedural, Functional, String [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) - 2024-09-30 00:54 +0000
                          Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-29 20:55 +0000
                            Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-29 23:15 +0000
                              Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2024-09-30 10:24 +0100
                                Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-30 21:19 +0000
                                  Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Louis Krupp <lkrupp@invalid.pssw.com.invalid> - 2024-09-30 15:44 -0600
                                    Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-30 23:42 +0000
                                  Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2024-10-01 15:57 +0100
                                    Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-01 16:14 +0100
                                      Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-01 16:37 +0000
                                        Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-01 21:49 +0000
                                        Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-02 10:56 +0100
                                          Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-10-02 18:07 -0700
                                            Re: Recursion [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-03 01:22 +0000
                                      Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-01 21:48 +0000
                                        Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Louis Krupp <lkrupp@invalid.pssw.com.invalid> - 2024-10-03 03:04 -0600
                                          Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-03 18:35 +0000
                                            Re: C operator precedence rules Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-03 21:54 +0000
                                          Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-10-03 16:34 -0700
                                            Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-10-04 10:59 +0000
                                              Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-04 12:48 +0100
                                                Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-04 20:10 +0000
                                      Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-10-01 15:39 -0700
                                        Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-02 00:06 +0000
                                          Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-02 11:34 +0100
                                            Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2024-10-02 15:48 -0400
                                              Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-03 10:33 +0100
                                        Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-02 11:30 +0100
                                      Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2024-10-03 08:59 +0100
                                    Re: Multiple Inheritance [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-01 21:47 +0000
                                      Re: Multiple Inheritance [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2024-10-03 08:58 +0100
                                        Re: Multiple Inheritance [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-03 15:34 +0000
                                        Re: Multiple Inheritance [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-03 21:52 +0000
                                          Re: Multiple Inheritance [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-04 03:46 +0000
                          Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-09-30 11:09 -0700
                            Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-09-30 13:52 -0700
                              Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-30 21:27 +0000
                                Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-09-30 15:00 -0700
                                  Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-30 23:21 +0000
                              Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-09-30 16:27 -0700
                                Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-01 13:43 +0100
                                  Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-01 07:58 -0700
                                    Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-01 16:15 +0100
                                  Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-01 21:51 +0000
                                    Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-01 14:59 -0700
                                      Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-01 22:17 +0000
                                        Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-01 16:07 -0700
                                          Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-02 00:54 +0000
                                            Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-23 03:15 -0400
                                              Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-23 07:43 -0700
                                                Re: The Joy Of Object-Orientation Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-23 21:23 +0000
                                                  Re: The Joy Of Object-Orientation John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-23 14:40 -0700
                                                  Re: The Joy Of Object-Orientation "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-23 21:13 -0400
                                                    Re: The Joy Of Object-Orientation "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-24 02:38 -0400
                                                      Re: The Joy Of Object-Orientation The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-24 12:27 +0100
                                                        Re: The Joy Of Object-Orientation "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-24 21:10 -0400
                                Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-01 07:57 -0700
                                Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2024-10-03 00:17 +0000
                              Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2024-09-30 21:22 -0300
                            Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-01 01:31 +0000
                              Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-01 01:38 +0000
                              Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-01 07:43 -0700
                        Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2024-09-30 10:19 +0100
                      Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] moi <findlaybill@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2024-09-30 23:28 +0100
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-25 21:27 +0000
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-09-25 14:42 -0700
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-26 17:52 -0700
                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-27 01:41 +0000
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-25 21:29 +0000
          Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-24 17:53 +0000
            Re: The joy of FORTRAN R Daneel Olivaw <Danny@hyperspace.vogon.gov> - 2024-09-24 20:01 +0200
              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-24 15:36 -0700
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-25 00:52 +0000
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-25 04:45 +0000
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2024-09-25 17:39 +0100
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2024-09-25 07:13 -1000
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-25 19:11 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-25 11:34 +0100
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-09-25 08:08 -0400
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) - 2024-09-25 20:47 +0000
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-26 17:52 -0700
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-27 01:43 +0000
                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-27 17:43 +0000
                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-27 23:30 +0000
                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-28 02:20 +0000
                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-28 02:22 +0000
                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-28 07:42 +0100
                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-28 07:37 +0000
                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-09-28 07:07 -0400
                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-28 19:36 +0000
                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-28 22:04 +0100
                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2024-09-28 21:20 +0000
                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-28 22:28 +0100
                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-29 03:11 +0000
                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-29 07:22 +0100
                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-29 19:56 +0000
                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-09-30 10:01 -0700
                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-30 18:39 +0100
                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-09-30 11:15 -0700
                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-01 13:45 +0100
                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-01 08:02 -0700
                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-30 14:19 -0700
                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-29 04:26 +0000
                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-29 05:17 +0000
                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-30 05:46 +0000
                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-30 05:53 +0000
                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-30 14:19 -0700
                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-30 13:17 +0100
                                              Re: The joy of ALGOL-like languages Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-30 21:37 +0000
                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-30 14:19 -0700
                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-30 23:25 +0000
                                              Re: stacks are not hard, The joy of FORTRAN-like languages John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2024-10-04 03:49 +0000
                                                Re: stacks are not hard, The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-04 03:51 +0000
                                                  Re: stacks are not hard, The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2024-10-04 17:07 -1000
                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-29 07:26 +0100
                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-29 13:15 -0700
                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-30 13:11 +0100
                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-30 14:19 -0700
                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2024-09-30 16:51 -0400
                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-09-30 20:58 +0000
                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-30 21:33 +0000
                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2024-09-30 19:03 -0700
                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2024-10-01 16:53 -0400
                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2024-10-01 16:39 -0400
                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-09-30 23:10 +0000
                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2024-10-01 17:36 -0400
                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages geodandw <geodandw@gmail.com> - 2024-09-28 17:41 -0400
                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2024-09-28 21:44 +0000
                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-29 07:06 +0100
                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages geodandw <geodandw@gmail.com> - 2024-09-29 02:57 -0400
                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-29 08:34 +0100
                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-29 19:39 +0000
                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-29 23:25 +0000
                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2024-09-28 15:17 -0700
                                      7-bit encodings (was: Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-29 00:36 +0100
                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-29 03:15 +0000
                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-29 07:16 +0100
                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-29 19:29 +0000
                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-29 23:24 +0000
                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-09-30 16:31 +0000
                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-30 18:12 +0100
                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us (Scott Alfter) - 2024-09-30 21:26 +0000
                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-29 13:15 -0700
                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-30 13:10 +0100
                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-29 03:01 +0000
                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2024-09-29 07:58 +0000
                                    Into the woods of business Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2024-09-29 07:11 -0700
                                      Re: Into the woods of business vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2024-09-29 20:02 +0000
                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-29 20:09 +0000
                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-28 10:29 -0700
                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-28 21:41 +0000
                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-29 04:26 +0000
                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-29 05:26 +0000
                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-30 05:46 +0000
                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-30 05:54 +0000
                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-30 14:19 -0700
                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-30 23:26 +0000
                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Harold Stevens <wookie@aspen.localdomain> - 2024-10-01 03:52 -0500
                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Louis Krupp <lkrupp@invalid.pssw.com.invalid> - 2024-10-01 15:49 -0600
                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Harold Stevens <wookie@aspen.localdomain> - 2024-10-01 18:04 -0500
                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Louis Krupp <lkrupp@invalid.pssw.com.invalid> - 2024-10-02 03:12 -0600
                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-29 07:27 +0100
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2024-09-30 12:35 +0000
                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-30 14:26 +0100
                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-30 19:53 +0000
                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-30 21:47 +0000
                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-01 18:39 +0000
                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-01 21:55 +0000
                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-30 21:45 +0000
                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2024-10-01 17:40 -0400
                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-30 14:19 -0700
                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-30 21:44 +0000
              Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-24 23:31 +0000
            Re: The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-09-24 19:11 +0000
              Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-24 20:22 +0100
          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-24 21:09 +0000
            Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-24 23:49 +0000
          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-09-24 22:05 +0000
            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-24 15:37 -0700
        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-09-24 13:21 +0000
          Re: The joy of FORTRAN cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2024-09-24 17:12 +0000
            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-09-24 22:05 +0000
              Re: The joy of FORTRAN cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2024-09-25 13:01 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-09-25 15:13 +0000
        Re: The joy of FORTRAN R Daneel Olivaw <Danny@hyperspace.vogon.gov> - 2024-09-24 19:55 +0200
        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-24 15:36 -0700
        Re: The joy of FORTRAN "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-09-25 02:42 -0400
          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-25 06:47 +0000
            Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-25 07:14 +0000
          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-25 19:11 +0000
            Re: The joy of FORTRAN "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-09-25 23:16 -0400
              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-26 16:18 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-26 20:51 +0000
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2024-09-27 11:32 +0100
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-27 12:10 +0100
                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-09-27 14:15 +0000
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-09-27 14:13 +0000
                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-09-27 22:00 +0200
                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-27 20:38 +0000
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-27 23:33 +0000
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-28 10:29 -0700
                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-09-28 20:17 +0000
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-04 01:19 -0400
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-04 05:48 +0000
                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-04 02:03 -0400
                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-04 06:56 +0000
                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-04 07:40 +0000
                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-04 20:13 +0000
                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-04 22:47 +0000
                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-05 06:12 +0000
                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-05 23:20 -0400
                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-06 03:29 +0000
                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Louis Krupp <lkrupp@invalid.pssw.com.invalid> - 2024-10-06 16:06 -0600
                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-07 03:02 +0000
                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-20 00:13 -0400
                                          Re: The joy of FORTH p.dean@invalid.net (Peter Dean) - 2024-10-20 06:22 +0000
                                            Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-20 07:03 +0000
                                              Re: The joy of FORTH (not) p.dean@invalid.net (Peter Dean) - 2024-10-20 07:31 +0000
                                            Re: The joy of FORTH Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-20 19:00 +0000
                                              Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-20 21:37 +0000
                                                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-21 01:33 +0000
                                                  Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-21 03:30 +0000
                                                    Re: The joy of FORTH (not) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-21 06:51 +0000
                                                      Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-21 08:41 +0000
                                                        Re: The joy of FORTH (not) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-21 07:55 -0700
                                                          Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-21 20:53 +0000
                                                            Re: The joy of FORTH (not) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-21 15:16 -0700
                                                              Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-21 23:12 +0000
                                                                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-22 00:29 +0000
                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-22 01:11 +0000
                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTH (not) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-22 04:43 +0000
                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-22 04:46 +0000
                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTH (not) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-22 09:59 -0700
                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-22 20:52 +0000
                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTH (not) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-22 14:48 -0700
                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-22 22:23 +0000
                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTH (not) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-22 15:36 -0700
                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTH (not) magardner2010 <magardner2010@gmail.com> - 2024-10-23 14:33 +0300
                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-23 21:00 +0000
                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTH (not) magardner2010 <magardner2010@gmail.com> - 2024-10-24 06:45 +0300
                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-24 03:54 +0000
                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTH (not) "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-24 02:03 -0400
                                                                                        Re: The joy of Ada Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-24 06:36 +0000
                                                                                          Re: The joy of Ada "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-24 03:11 -0400
                                                                                            Re: The joy of Ada Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-24 20:50 +0000
                                                                                              Re: The joy of Ada "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-24 21:23 -0400
                                                                                                Re: The joy of Ada Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-25 17:32 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: The joy of Ada rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-25 19:46 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: The joy of SQL Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-25 22:41 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: The joy of SQL "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-25 21:58 -0400
                                                                                                        Re: The joy of SQL Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-26 02:40 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: The joy of SQL rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-26 06:02 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: The joy of SQL p.dean@invalid.net (Peter Dean) - 2024-10-26 16:35 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: The joy of SQL p.dean@invalid.net (Peter Dean) - 2024-10-26 16:52 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: The joy of SQL rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-26 05:53 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: The joy of SQL Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-26 07:18 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: The joy of SQL John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-28 08:04 -0700
                                                                                                            Re: The joy of SQL Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-10-28 11:33 -0400
                                                                                                              Re: The joy of SQL "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2024-10-28 17:59 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: The joy of SQL The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-26 11:07 +0100
                                                                                                          Re: The joy of SQL Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2024-10-26 16:44 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: The joy of SQL antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2024-10-26 18:48 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: The joy of SQL The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-27 09:52 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: The joy of SQL Mister Johnson <root@example.net> - 2024-10-27 13:00 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: The joy of SQL rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-27 17:40 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: The joy of SQL John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2024-10-27 18:38 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: The joy of SQL Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-28 02:42 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: The joy of SQL The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-27 09:32 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: The joy of SQL rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-27 17:35 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: The joy of Ada Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-26 04:38 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: The joy of Ada Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-26 05:39 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: The joy of Ada The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-26 11:08 +0100
                                                                                                        Re: The joy of Ada Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-26 18:01 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: The joy of Linux Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-26 20:26 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: The joy of Ada The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-27 09:46 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: The joy of Ada rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-27 18:40 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: The joy of Ada Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-27 21:30 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: The joy of Ada "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-28 00:58 -0400
                                                                                                                Re: The joy of Ada Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-28 05:09 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: The joy of Ada Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-28 05:18 +0000
                                                                                                                    Re: The joy of Linux Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-29 04:56 +0000
                                                                                                                      Re: The joy of Linux Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-29 18:35 +0000
                                                                                                                        Re: The joy of Linux Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-30 00:14 +0000
                                                                                                                          Re: The joy of Linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-30 01:24 +0000
                                                                                                                            Re: The joy of Linux "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-30 02:00 -0400
                                                                                                                              Re: The joy of Linux Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-31 02:20 +0000
                                                                                                                          Re: The joy of Linux Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2024-11-03 19:19 +0000
                                                                                                                            Re: The joy of Linux Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-03 23:28 +0000
                                                                                                                            Re: The joy of Linux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-04 13:19 +0000
                                                                                                                              Re: The joy of Linux Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-04 22:13 +0000
                                                                                                                                Re: The joy of Linux "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-11-04 22:33 -0500
                                                                                                                                  Re: The joy of Linux Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-06 23:00 +0000
                                                                                                                              Re: The joy of Linux John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-11-04 14:26 -0800
                                                                                                                                Re: The joy of Linux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-05 13:53 +0000
                                                                                                                                  Re: The joy of Linux "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-11-06 03:35 -0500
                                                                                                                                    Re: The joy of Linux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-06 11:31 +0000
                                                                                                                                      Re: The joy of Linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-06 17:59 +0000
                                                                                                                                        Re: The joy of Linux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-06 18:44 +0000
                                                                                                                                          Re: The joy of Linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-06 18:55 +0000
                                                                                                                                            Re: The joy of Linux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-07 10:40 +0000
                                                                                                                                              OT: (politics) [was Re: The joy of Linux] Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2024-11-08 03:28 +0000
                                                                                                                                                Re: OT: (politics) [was Re: The joy of Linux] The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-08 12:37 +0000
                                                                                                                                                  Re: OT: (politics) [was Re: The joy of Linux] Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-11-08 15:50 +0000
                                                                                                                                                    Re: OT: (politics) [was Re: The joy of Linux] The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-09 06:01 +0000
                                                                                                                                          Re: The joy of Linux D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-06 21:55 +0100
                                                                                                                                            Re: The joy of Linux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-07 11:25 +0000
                                                                                                                                        Re: The joy of Linux D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-06 21:46 +0100
                                                                                                                                          Re: The joy of Linux Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-11-06 16:43 -0500
                                                                                                                                            Re: The joy of Linux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-07 10:50 +0000
                                                                                                                                          Re: The joy of Linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-07 01:31 +0000
                                                                                                                                            Re: The joy of Linux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-07 10:52 +0000
                                                                                                                                              Re: The joy of Linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-07 20:10 +0000
                                                                                                                                                Re: The joy of Linux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-08 03:06 +0000
                                                                                                                                                  Re: The joy of Linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-08 04:12 +0000
                                                                                                                                                    Re: The joy of Linux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-08 12:43 +0000
                                                                                                                                                      Re: The joy of Linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-08 18:56 +0000
                                                                                                                                                        Re: The joy of Linux Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2024-11-08 22:33 +0000
                                                                                                                                                          Re: The joy of Linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-09 02:16 +0000
                                                                                                                                          Re: The joy of Linux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-07 10:45 +0000
                                                                                                                                            Re: The joy of Linux Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-11-07 19:23 +0000
                                                                                                                                              Re: The joy of Linux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-08 02:46 +0000
                                                                                                                                      Re: The joy of Linux Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-06 22:59 +0000
                                                                                                                                    Re: The joy of Linux Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-11-06 13:20 +0000
                                                                                                                                      Re: The joy of Linux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-06 14:04 +0000
                                                                                                                                        Re: The joy of Linux D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-06 16:49 +0100
                                                                                                                                          Re: The joy of Linux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-06 18:40 +0000
                                                                                                                                            Re: The joy of Linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-06 18:52 +0000
                                                                                                                                              Re: The joy of Linux John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-11-06 11:14 -0800
                                                                                                                                                Re: The joy of Linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-07 01:18 +0000
                                                                                                                                              Re: The joy of Linux D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-06 21:56 +0100
                                                                                                                                                Re: The joy of Linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-07 01:21 +0000
                                                                                                                                            Re: The joy of Linux D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-06 21:52 +0100
                                                                                                                                            Re: The joy of Linux Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2024-11-07 05:11 +0000
                                                                                                                                              Re: The joy of Linux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-07 11:50 +0000
                                                                                                                                        Re: The joy of Linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-06 18:09 +0000
                                                                                                                                      Re: The joy of Linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-06 18:05 +0000
                                                                                                                                        Re: The joy of Linux Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-11-06 18:17 +0000
                                                                                                                                          Re: The joy of Linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-06 19:01 +0000
                                                                                                                                            Re: The joy of Linux "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-11-09 20:37 -0500
                                                                                                                                              Re: The joy of Linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-10 02:38 +0000
                                                                                                                                                Re: The joy of Linux "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-11-10 02:08 -0500
                                                                                                                                                  Re: The joy of Linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-10 08:33 +0000
                                                                                                                                                    Re: The joy of Linux Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-11-10 19:53 +0000
                                                                                                                                                      Re: The joy of Linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-11 00:29 +0000
                                                                                                                                                    Re: The joy of Linux "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-11-10 19:44 -0500
                                                                                                                                                      Re: The joy of Linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-11 03:03 +0000
                                                                                                                                                        Re: The joy of Linux "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-11-12 01:19 -0500
                                                                                                                                                          Re: The joy of Linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-12 07:47 +0000
                                                                                                                                                            Re: The joy of Linux "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-11-13 03:19 -0500
                                                                                                                                                              Re: The joy of Linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-13 18:30 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                Re: The joy of Linux "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-11-14 00:59 -0500
                                                                                                                                                          Re: The joy of Linux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-12 08:38 +0000
                                                                                                                                                            Re: The joy of Linux "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-11-13 03:50 -0500
                                                                                                                                                              Re: The joy of Linux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-13 08:57 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                Re: The joy of Linux "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-11-14 01:08 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: The joy of Linux Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-11-14 14:16 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: The joy of Linux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-14 16:06 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: The joy of Linux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-14 16:08 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: The joy of Linux "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-11-15 03:04 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                      Re: The joy of Linux "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-11-16 01:04 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                        Re: The joy of Linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-16 06:13 +0000
                                                                                                                      Re: The joy of Linux "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-30 01:40 -0400
                                                                                                                    Re: The joy of Ada "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-30 01:55 -0400
                                                                                                                      Re: The joy of SQL Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-31 02:21 +0000
                                                                                                                        Re: The joy of SQL "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-31 01:35 -0400
                                                                                                                          Re: The joy of SQL Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-31 06:20 +0000
                                                                                                                            Re: The joy of SQL "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-31 23:57 -0400
                                                                                                                              Re: The joy of SQL Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-01 04:14 +0000
                                                                                                                                Re: The joy of SQL "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-11-01 02:45 -0400
                                                                                                                                  Re: The joy of SQL Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-01 20:56 +0000
                                                                                                                                    Re: The joy of SQL "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-11-02 01:19 -0400
                                                                                                                                      Re: The joy of SQL Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-02 06:18 +0000
                                                                                                                                        Re: The joy of SQL "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-11-02 03:21 -0400
                                                                                                                                          Re: The joy of SQL Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-03 00:15 +0000
                                                                                                                                            Re: The joy of SQL "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-11-02 21:51 -0400
                                                                                                                                              Re: The joy of SQL Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-03 23:32 +0000
                                                                                                                                      Re: The joy of SQL The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-02 11:49 +0000
                                                                                                                                        Re: The joy of SQL "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-11-02 21:48 -0400
                                                                                                                                          Re: The joy of SQL Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-03 23:30 +0000
                                                                                                                                            Re: The joy of SQL "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-11-03 20:36 -0500
                                                                                                                                              Re: The joy of SQL Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-04 22:09 +0000
                                                                                                                                                Re: The joy of SQL "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-11-05 01:54 -0500
                                                                                                                                                  Re: The joy of SQL Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-06 19:03 +0000
                                                                                                                                                    Re: The joy of SQL "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-11-06 19:07 -0500
                                                                                                                                                      Re: The joy of SQL Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-07 03:14 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: The joy of Ada "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-30 01:52 -0400
                                                                                                  Re: The joy of Ada "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-25 21:40 -0400
                                                                                                    Re: The joy of Ada Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-26 04:38 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: The joy of Ada rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-26 06:27 +0000
                                                                                      Re: The joy of strong typing magardner2010 <magardner2010@gmail.com> - 2024-10-24 10:56 +0300
                                                                                        Re: The joy of Python Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-24 20:55 +0000
                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-10-24 17:13 -0700
                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTH (not) "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-25 03:24 -0400
                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Jim Jackson <jj@franjam.org.uk> - 2024-10-23 14:41 +0000
                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-10-22 16:07 -0700
                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-22 23:37 +0000
                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTH (not) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-23 08:04 -0700
                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-23 20:57 +0000
                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-23 14:36 -0700
                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTH (not) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-23 23:02 +0000
                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-10-24 17:13 -0700
                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-25 01:32 +0000
                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTH (not) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-25 01:50 +0000
                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-25 17:32 +0000
                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2024-10-25 17:16 -0400
                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-25 22:39 +0000
                                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-10-25 18:48 -0700
                                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-26 04:38 +0000
                                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2024-10-25 22:59 -1000
                                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2024-10-26 09:10 -1000
                                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2024-10-26 12:35 -1000
                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-10-25 18:48 -0700
                                                                                        Re: Little old machines, The joy of FORTH (not) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2024-10-26 02:18 +0000
                                                                                          Re: Little old machines, The joy of FORTH (not) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-10-26 13:25 -0700
                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTH (not) antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2024-10-26 02:12 +0000
                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-10-25 18:48 -0700
                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTH (not) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-26 06:11 +0000
                                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTH (not) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-26 11:05 +0100
                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTH (not) antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2024-10-25 11:01 +0000
                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTH (not) antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2024-10-24 00:10 +0000
                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-24 00:44 +0000
                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTH (not) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-24 00:55 +0000
                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-24 03:53 +0000
                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTH (not) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-24 04:50 +0000
                                                            Re: The joy of FORTH (not) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-21 22:50 +0000
                                                            Re: The joy of FORTH (not) antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2024-10-23 22:25 +0000
                                                              Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-24 00:46 +0000
                                                                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-23 22:13 -0400
                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-24 03:55 +0000
                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTH (not) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-24 05:07 +0000
                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTH (not) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-24 08:03 -0700
                                                  Re: The joy of FORTH (not) p.dean@invalid.net (Peter Dean) - 2024-10-21 03:59 +0000
                                                  Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Marc Olschok <nobody@nowhere.invalid> - 2024-10-24 21:46 +0000
                                                    Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-24 22:29 +0000
                                                      Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Marc Olschok <nobody@nowhere.invalid> - 2024-10-27 20:30 +0000
                                                    Re: The joy of FORTH (not) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-25 00:00 +0000
                                                      Re: The joy of FORTH (not) "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2024-10-25 17:41 +0100
                                                    Re: The joy of FORTH (not) "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2024-10-25 17:40 +0100
                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-21 08:03 -0700
                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-07 10:00 +0100
                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-05 02:37 +0000
                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-05 06:13 +0000
                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-05 07:00 +0000
                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-05 08:08 +0000
                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-06 02:29 +0000
                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-06 03:43 +0000
                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-04 08:39 +0100
                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-04 08:00 -0700
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-04 17:06 +0000
                    Re: python abstractions, The joy of FORTRAN John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2024-10-04 18:00 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-09-27 02:45 -0400
                  Re: The joy of Ada Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-27 06:52 +0000
                    Re: The joy of Ada Andy Walker <anw@cuboid.co.uk> - 2024-09-27 12:02 +0100
                      Re: The joy of Ada Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-27 23:35 +0000
                      Re: The joy of Ada "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-09-27 20:54 -0400
                        Re: The joy of Ada Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-09-28 09:32 +0000
                          Re: The joy of Ada "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-09-29 01:30 -0400
                        Re: The joy of Ada Louis Krupp <lkrupp@invalid.pssw.com.invalid> - 2024-10-04 05:26 -0600
                          Re: The joy of Ada Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-10-04 15:48 +0000
                    Re: The joy of Ada Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-28 10:29 -0700
                      Re: The joy of Ada Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-28 21:45 +0000
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-09-27 07:59 -0700
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Harold Stevens <wookie@aspen.localdomain> - 2024-09-27 11:08 -0500
                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-09-27 09:32 -0700
                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN R Daneel Olivaw <Danny@hyperspace.vogon.gov> - 2024-09-27 18:38 +0200
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-27 17:43 +0000
                    Re: The pain of Excel Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-27 23:41 +0000
                      Re: The pain of Excel Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-29 04:26 +0000
                        Re: The pain of Excel Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-29 05:35 +0000
                          Re: The pain of Excel Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-30 05:46 +0000
                            Re: The pain of Excel Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-30 05:55 +0000
                          Re: The pain of Excel Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2024-09-30 10:36 +0100
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-09-27 21:49 -0400
                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-09-30 10:36 -0700
                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-30 18:51 +0100
                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-30 21:48 +0000
                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-09-30 18:04 +0000
                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-30 14:19 -0700
                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-30 21:52 +0000
                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-01 01:26 +0000
                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-01 01:39 +0000
                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2024-10-01 11:35 +0000
                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-10-01 15:39 -0700
                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-02 00:58 +0000
              Re: The joy of FORTRAN moi <findlaybill@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2024-09-26 23:30 +0100
            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-26 17:52 -0700
              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-27 17:43 +0000
          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-26 17:52 -0700
            Re: The joy of FORTRAN geodandw <geodandw@gmail.com> - 2024-09-26 21:20 -0400
              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-27 17:43 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN geodandw <geodandw@gmail.com> - 2024-09-27 15:09 -0400
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-27 20:38 +0000
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-27 23:43 +0000
                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-29 04:26 +0000
                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-29 05:36 +0000
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-09-28 03:18 -0400
                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-28 09:12 +0100
                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-28 08:24 +0000
                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-09-29 01:28 -0400
                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-29 05:42 +0000
                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-29 20:00 +0000
                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Harold Stevens <wookie@aspen.localdomain> - 2024-09-29 17:08 -0500
                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-29 23:28 +0000
                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-09-29 23:36 -0400
                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-30 07:40 +0000
                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-30 07:52 +0000
                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-30 20:19 +0000
                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-30 13:08 +0100
                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-30 14:19 -0700
                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-02 03:34 -0400
                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN moi <findlaybill@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2024-10-03 17:32 +0100
                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com - 2025-02-25 19:33 +0000
                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-25 20:26 +0000
                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2025-02-25 13:43 -0700
                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-02-25 13:03 -0800
                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-02-25 21:06 +0000
                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-02-25 13:22 -0800
                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-02-25 21:40 +0000
                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2025-02-25 15:47 -0700
                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2025-02-25 15:47 -0700
                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-25 23:02 +0000
                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-02-25 15:19 -0800
                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-25 23:48 +0000
                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-02-25 15:57 -0800
                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2025-02-26 19:51 -0500
                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-27 01:01 +0000
                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2025-02-27 19:37 -0500
                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-02-27 08:03 -0800
                                                                Re: the end of 18 bits, The joy of FORTRAN John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-02-27 17:44 +0000
                                                                  Re: the end of 18 bits, The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-02-27 18:54 +0000
                                                                    Re: the end of 18 bits, The joy of FORTRAN John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-02-28 03:00 +0000
                                                                      Re: the end of 18 bits, The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-02-28 14:32 +0000
                                                                        Re: the end of 18 bits, The joy of FORTRAN John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-02-28 17:51 +0000
                                                                  Re: the end of 18 bits, The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-27 21:32 +0000
                                                                  Re: the end of 18 bits, The joy of FORTRAN Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-02-28 07:30 -0500
                                                                    Re: the end of 18 bits, The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-02-28 20:03 -0500
                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Alfred Falk <aefalk@telus.net> - 2025-03-07 04:42 +0000
                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2025-03-07 13:06 +0000
                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2025-03-07 06:46 -1000
                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-07 19:23 +0000
                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2025-03-08 03:02 +0000
                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2025-03-08 04:12 +0000
                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-08 05:09 +0000
                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-08 00:21 -0500
                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-08 08:04 +0000
                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-03-08 14:42 +0000
                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-08 20:37 +0000
                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-08 22:13 +0000
                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-09 00:20 -0500
                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-09 07:07 +0000
                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-09 04:55 -0400
                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-09 19:40 +0000
                                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-09 22:50 -0400
                                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-10 06:18 +0000
                                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-03-10 15:37 +0000
                                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-10 20:50 +0000
                                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-03-10 21:14 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-10 22:54 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-12 05:49 -0400
                                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-12 05:43 -0400
                                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-12 05:03 -0400
                                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-11 05:22 -0400
                                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-11 10:47 +0000
                                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-11 20:36 +0000
                                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-12 22:50 -0400
                                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-13 04:30 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-13 02:22 -0400
                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2025-03-09 21:56 -0400
                                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-10 00:18 -0400
                                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-10 05:02 +0000
                                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-10 17:26 +0000
                                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-10 21:19 +0000
                                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-12 05:36 -0400
                                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-03-12 09:00 -0700
                                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-12 17:30 +0000
                                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-12 17:23 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-03-12 18:37 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2025-03-12 19:42 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-03-12 20:31 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-12 23:16 -0400
                                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-12 19:56 +0000
                                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2025-03-10 12:23 +0000
                                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-10 05:09 +0000
                                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-10 11:10 +0000
                                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-10 17:26 +0000
                                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-10 21:02 +0000
                                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-11 08:02 +0000
                                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-11 09:02 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-11 09:10 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN David LaRue <huey.dll@tampabay.rr.com> - 2025-03-11 09:44 +0000
                                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-11 18:27 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-11 20:07 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-11 20:38 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-11 22:51 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-12 05:50 -0400
                                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-12 12:02 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-03-12 14:33 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-12 20:29 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-12 21:40 -0400
                                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-13 13:07 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-14 00:21 -0400
                                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-11 20:26 +0000
                                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-12 05:44 -0400
                                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-12 12:34 +0000
                                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-12 04:47 -0400
                                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-12 12:18 +0000
                                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-12 19:56 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-12 20:32 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-13 01:24 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-12 23:53 -0400
                                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-13 04:37 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-03-13 14:36 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-13 16:51 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Don_from_AZ <djatechNOSPAM@comcast.net.invalid> - 2025-03-13 19:59 -0700
                                                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2025-03-14 03:13 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-14 02:27 -0400
                                                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-14 03:30 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-14 02:33 -0400
                                                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-14 02:24 -0400
                                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2025-03-14 17:37 -0700
                                                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-03-15 17:19 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-15 19:38 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-15 19:42 -0400
                                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Don_from_AZ <djatechNOSPAM@comcast.net.invalid> - 2025-03-10 08:51 -0700
                                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-10 21:13 +0000
                                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-12 05:47 -0400
                                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-12 05:04 -0400
                                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-12 12:29 +0000
                                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-12 17:55 +0000
                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-09 16:51 +0000
                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2025-03-09 18:32 +0000
                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-09 19:14 +0000
                                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-09 22:01 -0400
                                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-10 05:52 +0000
                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2025-03-08 15:55 -0500
                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-08 23:05 -0500
                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-09 06:57 +0000
                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-09 04:43 -0400
                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-09 19:00 +0000
                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-09 21:27 -0400
                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-10 04:07 +0000
                                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-10 06:32 +0000
                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-09 10:29 +0000
                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-09 20:09 -0400
                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-03-09 14:30 +0000
                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-09 20:30 -0400
                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-10 05:26 +0000
                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-03-10 15:56 +0000
                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-12 05:06 -0400
                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-09 16:51 +0000
                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Thomas Prufer <prufer.public@mnet-online.de.invalid> - 2025-03-24 12:41 +0100
                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Thomas Prufer <prufer.public@mnet-online.de.invalid> - 2025-03-24 12:07 +0100
                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-25 00:47 -0400
                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-25 06:01 +0000
                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-25 07:54 -0400
                                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-26 01:52 +0000
                                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-25 23:58 -0400
                                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-26 16:56 +0000
                                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-26 19:04 +0000
                                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-26 22:57 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Thomas Prufer <prufer.public@mnet-online.de.invalid> - 2025-03-27 08:09 +0100
                                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-27 18:32 +0000
                                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-27 03:39 -0400
                                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-26 00:02 -0400
                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-08 22:57 -0500
                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-09 06:35 +0000
                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-09 04:21 -0400
                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-09 16:51 +0000
                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-09 20:57 -0400
                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-10 05:18 +0000
                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-10 11:06 +0000
                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-10 21:32 +0000
                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-10 11:02 +0000
                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-10 17:26 +0000
                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-03-10 18:11 +0000
                                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-10 23:59 +0000
                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-12 05:40 -0400
                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-12 04:00 -0400
                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-12 12:18 +0000
                                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-12 19:56 +0000
                                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-12 20:43 +0000
                                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-12 23:35 -0400
                                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-13 05:31 +0000
                                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-13 03:17 -0400
                                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-13 16:26 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-14 00:47 -0400
                                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-14 10:46 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-14 07:13 -0400
                                                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-14 14:03 +0000
                                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2025-03-13 04:19 +0000
                                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-13 05:31 +0000
                                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-13 03:09 -0400
                                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-13 16:37 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-13 18:46 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-03-13 11:56 -0700
                                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-13 22:05 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-14 02:21 -0400
                                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-14 01:51 -0400
                                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-14 18:07 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-15 06:49 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-15 09:06 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-15 19:34 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-15 23:52 -0400
                                                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-16 04:32 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-16 06:35 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-16 04:06 -0400
                                                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-16 18:56 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-16 18:19 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-17 03:58 +0000
                                                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-17 04:14 +0000
                                                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-17 00:59 -0400
                                                                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-17 21:00 +0000
                                                                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-18 04:25 -0400
                                                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-17 00:45 -0400
                                                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-16 09:04 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-16 05:29 -0400
                                                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-16 20:06 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-03-16 21:42 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-16 23:49 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-16 23:35 -0400
                                                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-17 05:15 +0000
                                                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-17 01:39 -0400
                                                                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-17 21:36 +0000
                                                                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-18 04:35 -0400
                                                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-03-17 08:00 -0700
                                                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-17 18:05 +0000
                                                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-03-17 12:05 -0700
                                                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-17 21:42 +0000
                                                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-03-17 14:57 -0700
                                                                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-18 04:49 -0400
                                                                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-18 10:54 +0000
                                                                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-18 08:12 -0400
                                                                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-18 16:58 +0000
                                                                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-20 05:36 -0400
                                                                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-20 12:21 +0000
                                                                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-03-20 08:03 -0700
                                                                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-20 18:44 +0000
                                                                                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-20 19:41 +0000
                                                                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-20 22:07 +0000
                                                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-18 04:54 -0400
                                                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-03-18 08:24 -0700
                                                                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-03-21 22:22 +0000
                                                                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-22 00:26 +0000
                                                                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-22 00:26 +0000
                                                                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-03-22 12:56 +0100
                                                                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-23 04:20 -0400
                                                                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 07:54 -0700
                                                                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-25 01:49 -0400
                                                                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-25 11:15 +0000
                                                                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 08:19 -0700
                                                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-16 18:19 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-16 23:15 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-03-17 07:49 -0700
                                                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-03-17 07:45 -0700
                                                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-17 21:16 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-03-17 15:06 -0700
                                                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-18 04:31 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-03-18 08:28 -0700
                                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-14 18:25 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-13 18:46 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-14 02:19 -0400
                                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-03-14 08:05 -0700
                                                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-14 16:20 +0000
                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-08 22:30 -0500
                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2025-03-09 03:49 +0000
                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-09 01:10 -0500
                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-09 16:51 +0000
                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-09 20:42 -0400
                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-10 06:27 +0000
                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-11 05:31 -0400
                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-11 18:27 +0000
                                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-12 22:17 -0400
                                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-13 04:56 +0000
                                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-13 02:25 -0400
                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-26 01:35 +0000
                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-02-26 14:10 +0000
                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-26 19:03 +0000
                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2025-02-26 19:43 -0500
                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-02-26 02:13 +0000
                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-02-26 08:37 -0800
                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2025-02-26 15:17 -0700
                                                        Re: where the PDP-8 came from, not The joy of FORTRAN John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-02-27 01:39 +0000
                                                          Re: where the PDP-8 came from, not The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-27 04:42 +0000
                                                            Re: where the PDP-8 came from, not The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-02-27 07:43 +0000
                                                            Re: where the PDP-8 came from, not The joy of FORTRAN Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2025-02-27 19:41 -0500
                                                              Re: where the PDP-8 came from, not The joy of FORTRAN Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2025-02-28 21:49 -0500
                                                    Re: The joy of old small computers, which sort of ran FORTRAN John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-02-26 03:23 +0000
                                                      Re: The joy of old small computers, which sort of ran FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-02-26 00:41 -0500
                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2025-02-25 15:47 -0700
                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-25 22:56 +0000
                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2025-02-26 19:22 -0500
                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-02-27 00:56 +0000
                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-27 01:00 +0000
                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-02-27 07:43 +0000
                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-27 08:00 +0000
                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-02-27 18:39 +0000
                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2025-02-27 19:29 -0500
                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-02-28 01:39 -0500
                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-28 07:34 +0000
                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-02-28 07:26 -0500
                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-28 19:22 +0000
                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-28 19:58 +0000
                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN moi <findlaybill@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2025-03-01 00:02 +0000
                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-02-28 14:19 +0000
                                                            Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-02-28 18:11 +0000
                                                              Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-28 20:57 +0000
                                                                Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2025-02-28 17:51 -0700
                                                                  Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-03-01 01:48 +0000
                                                                    Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-03-01 14:47 +0000
                                                                      Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2025-03-01 11:43 -0700
                                                                        Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-03-01 20:56 +0000
                                                                        Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2025-03-01 21:28 +0000
                                                                    Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Andy Walker <anw@cuboid.co.uk> - 2025-03-01 15:21 +0000
                                                                    Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Al Kossow <aek@bitsavers.org> - 2025-03-02 02:50 -0800
                                                                      Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-03-02 20:34 +0000
                                                                        Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-02 21:38 +0000
                                                                          Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2025-03-03 00:25 +0000
                                                                            Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-03 01:38 +0000
                                                                            Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-03-03 03:01 +0000
                                                                              Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2025-03-03 06:54 -0700
                                                                                Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-03 23:38 +0000
                                                                                  Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-03 23:07 -0500
                                                                                    Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2025-03-04 12:02 +0000
                                                                                Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-03-04 01:06 +0000
                                                                      Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-02 21:36 +0000
                                                                    Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-03-02 14:58 +0000
                                                                      Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-02 21:39 +0000
                                                                        Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-03-03 01:50 +0000
                                                                          Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-03 02:07 +0000
                                                                            Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-03 03:04 +0000
                                                                          Re: evolution of arithmetic, was bytes, The joy of FORTRAN John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-03-03 03:05 +0000
                                                                            Re: evolution of arithmetic, was bytes, The joy of FORTRAN antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-03-04 23:39 +0000
                                                                            Re: evolution of arithmetic, was bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-03-05 00:38 +0000
                                                                              Re: evolution of arithmetic, was bytes, The joy of FORTRAN John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-03-05 03:00 +0000
                                                                                Re: evolution of arithmetic, was bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-03-05 23:49 +0000
                                                                                Re: evolution of arithmetic, was bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-06 00:49 +0000
                                                                                  Re: evolution of arithmetic, was bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-06 05:11 +0000
                                                                                    Re: evolution of arithmetic, was bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-06 05:58 +0000
                                                                                      Re: evolution of arithmetic, was bytes, The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-03-06 14:43 +0000
                                                                                    Re: evolution of arithmetic, was bytes, The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-03-06 14:42 +0000
                                                                          Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2025-03-03 06:54 -0700
                                                                            Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-03 19:16 +0000
                                                                            Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-03 23:41 +0000
                                                                              Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-03-04 00:16 +0000
                                                                                Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-04 03:01 +0000
                                                                              Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2025-03-03 17:36 -0700
                                                                                Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-04 02:59 +0000
                                                                                Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-03 23:11 -0500
                                                                                  Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-04 07:11 +0000
                                                                              Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-04 19:22 +0000
                                                                                Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-04 20:39 +0000
                                                                  Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2025-02-28 21:39 -0500
                                                                  Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-01 02:43 +0000
                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-28 19:34 +0000
                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-02-28 21:11 -0500
                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-01 04:42 +0000
                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-01 00:04 -0500
                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2025-03-01 11:43 -0700
                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-01 20:11 +0000
                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-02 01:44 -0500
                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2025-03-01 11:43 -0700
                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-02 01:00 -0500
                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2025-03-01 11:43 -0700
                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-01 21:07 +0000
                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2025-02-28 21:36 -0500
                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-02-26 00:26 -0500
                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2025-02-26 19:34 -0500
                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-02-28 13:41 +0000
                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2025-02-28 13:59 +0000
                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-02-28 14:30 +0000
                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-02-28 17:36 +0000
                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2025-02-28 19:56 +0100
                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-28 20:54 +0000

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#60086 — Re: The joy of Linux

FromLawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2024-10-26 20:26 +0000
SubjectRe: The joy of Linux
Message-ID<vfjj9p$3s32a$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#60080
On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 18:01:02 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

> There's plenty of work to go around, and each of us can find our
> niche.

My main clients are SMEs. I have to be the jack-of-all-trades for them.

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#60109 — Re: The joy of Ada

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2024-10-27 09:46 +0000
SubjectRe: The joy of Ada
Message-ID<vfl257$bic6$4@dont-email.me>
In reply to#60080
On 26/10/2024 19:01, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On 2024-10-26, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> On 26/10/2024 05:38, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>
>>> On 2024-10-25, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 25 Oct 2024 17:32:03 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2024-10-25, 186282@ud0s4.net <186283@ud0s4.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>      Being forced to be an Ada programmer - it'd be like one of those
>>>>>>      legendary Greek tortures of hell ...
>>>>>
>>>>> Another one is being forced to maintain payroll programs forever.
>>>>
>>>> My personal hell is database programming. Gods know I've done enough of it
>>>> but it always feels like shoveling shit against the tide.
>>>
>>> I'm proud to say that in 50 years of programming I've managed
>>> to never go near a DBMS.
>>
>> It was people like you who ensured that in the end I did.
> 
> Great.  There's plenty of work to go around, and each of us
> can find our niche.
> 
Absolutely. I am not interested in writing PERL or Python or Pascal.
It all smells of pee anyway.
I am however deeply interested in modelling things like manufacturing, 
sub assemblies, parts, just in time supply , and product costings, all 
integrated with online orders and sales, and financial reports.

SQL is pretty much as perfect tool for that. Or lets be clear - a 
relational database is the perfect tool, and MySQL is only a 
*moderately* shit way to access it.

I never bothered learning the more arcane side of SQL because if I ever 
managed to get the query right, it was always so abysmally slow that it 
was quicker to use a series of simple queries and join them together in 
application code rather than SQL



-- 
"I am inclined to tell the truth and dislike people who lie consistently.
This makes me unfit for the company of people of a Left persuasion, and 
all women"

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#60137 — Re: The joy of Ada

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2024-10-27 18:40 +0000
SubjectRe: The joy of Ada
Message-ID<lo7fpbFc70iU2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#60109
On Sun, 27 Oct 2024 09:46:15 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> I never bothered learning the more arcane side of SQL because if I ever
> managed to get the query right, it was always so abysmally slow that it
> was quicker to use a series of simple queries and join them together in
> application code rather than SQL

We had a support person who spent days if not months crafting a query 
using about every DB2 scalar function known to man. I forget the DB2 
versions but it started to fail on an older one that only allowed a 4k 
buffer but worked on the newer ones that handled 8k. Being a series of 
CONCATs if anything in the chain returned null the whole thing failed. 

It was a work of art that was copied from site to site unchanged because 
nobody, including myself, could figure it out. When we needed an 
equivalent for SQL Server which didn't have some of the matching scalars I 
took the programming approach. I use joins sparingly but there reaches a 
point where you're being too cute and it's unmaintainable.

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#60143 — Re: The joy of Ada

FromLawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2024-10-27 21:30 +0000
SubjectRe: The joy of Ada
Message-ID<vfmbct$jekn$9@dont-email.me>
In reply to#60109
On Sun, 27 Oct 2024 09:46:15 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> I never bothered learning the more arcane side of SQL because if I ever
> managed to get the query right, it was always so abysmally slow that it
> was quicker to use a series of simple queries and join them together in
> application code rather than SQL

I have found quite the opposite. Remember that, the more information you 
put in the query up front, the more clues you give to the query optimizer.

I was maintaining this application for a client, that had been created for 
them by a prior developer who knew PHP, but not much else. They didn’t 
seem to know anything about SQL joins.

There was a query page that returned timesheet records for a specified 
range of dates. It did a separate query for each day in the range, so the 
wider the range, the slower the report became. For example, asking for 
records over a six-month range was quite painful, since it would be doing 
about 180 separate queries.

I figured out a query that would return all the records in the specified 
date range in a single sequence. Result: the page now appeared in a flash, 
even for date ranges spanning six months or more.

Another possibly useful thing is to learn how to use the EXPLAIN statement 
<https://mariadb.com/kb/en/explain/>. If a query is slow, this can be 
helpful to figure out where the bottleneck lies.

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#60153 — Re: The joy of Ada

From"186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net>
Date2024-10-28 00:58 -0400
SubjectRe: The joy of Ada
Message-ID<VjKdnS8_KJVnhIL6nZ2dnZfqnPSdnZ2d@earthlink.com>
In reply to#60143
On 10/27/24 5:30 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> On Sun, 27 Oct 2024 09:46:15 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> 
>> I never bothered learning the more arcane side of SQL because if I ever
>> managed to get the query right, it was always so abysmally slow that it
>> was quicker to use a series of simple queries and join them together in
>> application code rather than SQL
> 
> I have found quite the opposite. Remember that, the more information you
> put in the query up front, the more clues you give to the query optimizer.

   Long back I did extensive development on a PICK-OS based DB
   called 'Revelation'. It DID do an early version of SQL. It
   was used for over a decade.

   HOWEVER you never used the SQL beyond the top-level selections
   because it was too slow. Thereafter you used the "advanced"
   functions - hidden in the back of the manuals - to access the
   indexes and sorting routines and such - because they were ten
   or even 100 times quicker.

   Oh, they still sell 'Revelation' - DOS based - for about
   $300 ... but no support. Nice really, integrated WYSIWYG
   text-screen form builder too.

   Yes you CAN build a sophisticated query using SQL - but
   the syntax is TERRIBLE, hyper-prone to error, oft just
   un-readable - and the speed is still bad. Intelligently
   join yer OWN damned sets with proper code.

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#60154 — Re: The joy of Ada

FromLawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2024-10-28 05:09 +0000
SubjectRe: The joy of Ada
Message-ID<vfn6b5$rnim$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#60153
On Mon, 28 Oct 2024 00:58:34 -0400, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:

> Long back I did extensive development on a PICK-OS based DB called
> 'Revelation'. It DID do an early version of SQL. It was used for over
> a decade.
> 
> HOWEVER you never used the SQL beyond the top-level selections
> because it was too slow.

Pick wasn’t even a relational database.

Back then, it was quite common to support open standards like SQL with 
“malicious compliance” -- deliberately make them look worse than your 
proprietary interface, to “persuade” your users to lock themselves in to 
your product.

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#60155 — Re: The joy of Ada

FromCharlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
Date2024-10-28 05:18 +0000
SubjectRe: The joy of Ada
Message-ID<69FTO.586561$1m96.459888@fx15.iad>
In reply to#60154
On 2024-10-28, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

> On Mon, 28 Oct 2024 00:58:34 -0400, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>
>> Long back I did extensive development on a PICK-OS based DB called
>> 'Revelation'. It DID do an early version of SQL. It was used for over
>> a decade.
>> 
>> HOWEVER you never used the SQL beyond the top-level selections
>> because it was too slow.
>
> Pick wasn’t even a relational database.
>
> Back then, it was quite common to support open standards like SQL with 
> “malicious compliance” -- deliberately make them look worse than your 
> proprietary interface, to “persuade” your users to lock themselves in to 
> your product.

Not just back then.  Today it's evolved into the doctrine of
"embrace, extend, extinguish".

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  We'll go down in history as the
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  first society that wouldn't save
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  itself because it wasn't cost-
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |  effective.  -- Kurt Vonnegut

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#60197 — Re: The joy of Linux

FromLawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2024-10-29 04:56 +0000
SubjectRe: The joy of Linux
Message-ID<vfppt4$1e6i2$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#60155
On Mon, 28 Oct 2024 05:18:58 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

> Today it's evolved into the doctrine of "embrace, extend, extinguish".

Microsoft has met its match with Linux, though. It tried “extinguish” 
first (remember “Linux is a cancer”? Or the infamous “Get The Facts” 
campaign?), threw everything in its arsenal (both legal and not so legal) 
at it, and failed miserably.

So how it has to embrace Linux. And interestingly, the “extend” part of 
its strategy is being applied, not to Linux, but to Windows, to try to 
make it more Linux like.

So guess what, if anything, is going to get “extinguished”?

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#60207 — Re: The joy of Linux

FromCharlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
Date2024-10-29 18:35 +0000
SubjectRe: The joy of Linux
Message-ID<DV9UO.301899$kxD8.191069@fx11.iad>
In reply to#60197
On 2024-10-29, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

> On Mon, 28 Oct 2024 05:18:58 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>
>> Today it's evolved into the doctrine of "embrace, extend, extinguish".
>
> Microsoft has met its match with Linux, though. It tried “extinguish” 
> first (remember “Linux is a cancer”? Or the infamous “Get The Facts” 
> campaign?), threw everything in its arsenal (both legal and not so legal) 
> at it, and failed miserably.

Then there was the TCO (total cost of ownership) fiasco, in which their
claims were soundly disproven.

> So how it has to embrace Linux. And interestingly, the “extend” part of 
> its strategy is being applied, not to Linux, but to Windows, to try to 
> make it more Linux like.
>
> So guess what, if anything, is going to get “extinguished”?

:-)  Nice fantasy, though.

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  We'll go down in history as the
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  first society that wouldn't save
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  itself because it wasn't cost-
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |  effective.  -- Kurt Vonnegut

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#60220 — Re: The joy of Linux

FromLawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2024-10-30 00:14 +0000
SubjectRe: The joy of Linux
Message-ID<vfrtp4$1p8n1$4@dont-email.me>
In reply to#60207
On Tue, 29 Oct 2024 18:35:15 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

> On 2024-10-29, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> So how it has to embrace Linux. And interestingly, the “extend” part of
>> its strategy is being applied, not to Linux, but to Windows, to try to
>> make it more Linux like.
>>
>> So guess what, if anything, is going to get “extinguished”?
> 
> :-)  Nice fantasy, though.

Microsoft released its “AI Workstation” development platform for Windows. 
And guess what: WSL2 is a requirement.

Can you say “slippery slope” ... ?

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#60224 — Re: The joy of Linux

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2024-10-30 01:24 +0000
SubjectRe: The joy of Linux
Message-ID<lodg5sFalbiU5@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#60220
On Wed, 30 Oct 2024 00:14:28 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

> On Tue, 29 Oct 2024 18:35:15 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> 
>> On 2024-10-29, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>> 
>>> So how it has to embrace Linux. And interestingly, the “extend” part
>>> of its strategy is being applied, not to Linux, but to Windows, to try
>>> to make it more Linux like.
>>>
>>> So guess what, if anything, is going to get “extinguished”?
>> 
>> :-)  Nice fantasy, though.
> 
> Microsoft released its “AI Workstation” development platform for
> Windows.
> And guess what: WSL2 is a requirement.
> 
> Can you say “slippery slope” ... ?

Supposedly you can make Docker Desktop work without WSL but I don't think 
it's very happy.

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#60228 — Re: The joy of Linux

From"186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net>
Date2024-10-30 02:00 -0400
SubjectRe: The joy of Linux
Message-ID<Ma2dnWEMRIgfVrz6nZ2dnZfqn_WdnZ2d@earthlink.com>
In reply to#60224
On 10/29/24 9:24 PM, rbowman wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Oct 2024 00:14:28 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> 
>> On Tue, 29 Oct 2024 18:35:15 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>
>>> On 2024-10-29, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> So how it has to embrace Linux. And interestingly, the “extend” part
>>>> of its strategy is being applied, not to Linux, but to Windows, to try
>>>> to make it more Linux like.
>>>>
>>>> So guess what, if anything, is going to get “extinguished”?
>>>
>>> :-)  Nice fantasy, though.
>>
>> Microsoft released its “AI Workstation” development platform for
>> Windows.
>> And guess what: WSL2 is a requirement.
>>
>> Can you say “slippery slope” ... ?
> 
> Supposedly you can make Docker Desktop work without WSL but I don't think
> it's very happy.


   Step by step by step, M$ is encouraging standards/approaches
   that REQUIRE it's own methods/systems/software. It's a cancer.
   Biz idiots don't even remotely recognize the trap - and don't
   and won't listen to actual programmers/system-guys.

   Hey, the fellow-idiots at The Meeting say EVERYBODY is doing
   it - so WE have to do it too or we'll get 'criticism' !!!

   One of the reasons I retired .....

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#60263 — Re: The joy of Linux

FromLawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2024-10-31 02:20 +0000
SubjectRe: The joy of Linux
Message-ID<vfuphb$2d5v5$6@dont-email.me>
In reply to#60228
On Wed, 30 Oct 2024 02:00:33 -0400, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:

> On 10/29/24 9:24 PM, rbowman wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 30 Oct 2024 00:14:28 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>> 
>>> Microsoft released its “AI Workstation” development platform for
>>> Windows. And guess what: WSL2 is a requirement.
>>>
>>> Can you say “slippery slope” ... ?
>> 
>> Supposedly you can make Docker Desktop work without WSL but I don't
>> think it's very happy.
> 
> Step by step by step, M$ is encouraging standards/approaches that
> REQUIRE it's own methods/systems/software.

Actually, more and more they are requiring Linux. I wouldn’t say it’s a 
conscious strategy, it’s just the path of least resistance, once you have 
a powerful, functional Linux kernel present, it’s easier to rely on that 
than try to reinvent the wheel in your own proprietary fashion, and 
getting it wrong.

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#60413 — Re: The joy of Linux

FromLars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com>
Date2024-11-03 19:19 +0000
SubjectRe: The joy of Linux
Message-ID<slrnvifj6t.2m9fn.lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com>
In reply to#60220
On 2024-10-30, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
> Microsoft released its “AI Workstation” development platform for Windows. 
> And guess what: WSL2 is a requirement.
> Can you say “slippery slope” ... ?

I believe the end will be a rewrite of Windows to be a user layer on top
of Linus, i.e. a proprietary M$ version of Wine.

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#60456 — Re: The joy of Linux

FromLawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2024-11-03 23:28 +0000
SubjectRe: The joy of Linux
Message-ID<vg90ut$j4vj$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#60413
On Sun, 3 Nov 2024 19:19:57 -0000 (UTC), Lars Poulsen wrote:

> On 2024-10-30, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>
>> Microsoft released its “AI Workstation” development platform for
>> Windows. And guess what: WSL2 is a requirement.
>>
>> Can you say “slippery slope” ... ?
> 
> I believe the end will be a rewrite of Windows to be a user layer on top
> of Linus, i.e. a proprietary M$ version of Wine.

I would say it’s inevitable. Not as some matter of deliberate policy, but 
simply as the path of least resistance. Windows got to the mess it is 
today through a long sequence of short-sighted management decisions made 
with the aim of immediate profit; making Linux an essential part of the 
core of Windows would simply be a continuation of that trend.

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#60498 — Re: The joy of Linux

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2024-11-04 13:19 +0000
SubjectRe: The joy of Linux
Message-ID<vgahkt$ul44$11@dont-email.me>
In reply to#60413
On 03/11/2024 19:19, Lars Poulsen wrote:
> On 2024-10-30, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>> Microsoft released its “AI Workstation” development platform for Windows.
>> And guess what: WSL2 is a requirement.
>> Can you say “slippery slope” ... ?
> 
> I believe the end will be a rewrite of Windows to be a user layer on top
> of Linus, i.e. a proprietary M$ version of Wine.
> 
I think so too.

But one has to ask what in fact a desktop OS is for these days.

The 'home PC' is now a fondleslab, TV or smartphone.


-- 
"Strange as it seems, no amount of learning can cure stupidity, and 
higher education positively fortifies it."

    - Stephen Vizinczey

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#60574 — Re: The joy of Linux

FromLawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2024-11-04 22:13 +0000
SubjectRe: The joy of Linux
Message-ID<vgbgv5$14q8q$6@dont-email.me>
In reply to#60498
On Mon, 4 Nov 2024 13:19:25 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> But one has to ask what in fact a desktop OS is for these days.

The “desktop” OS originated back in the day when people couldn’t afford 
“workstations”. Look at the Unix-based systems of the time (particularly 
the RISC-based ones), and you see machines that did interactive “desktop” 
stuff, with the added advantage of multitasking, but more than that, they 
also offered “server”-style functionality in the same package.

That, in essence, was a “workstation”. Microsoft killed it off in favour 
of a model where the server-style functionality is carefully crippled in 
the “desktop” OS, so if you want that, you have to pay extra bucks (a lot 
of extra bucks) for a “server” OS.

Well, Microsoft killed off the “Unix workstation”. But today we have the 
“Linux workstation” in its place, doing everything its predecessor could 
do back then, and more.

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#60600 — Re: The joy of Linux

From"186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net>
Date2024-11-04 22:33 -0500
SubjectRe: The joy of Linux
Message-ID<GnudnWHEe8OOD7T6nZ2dnZfqn_WdnZ2d@earthlink.com>
In reply to#60574
On 11/4/24 5:13 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> On Mon, 4 Nov 2024 13:19:25 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> 
>> But one has to ask what in fact a desktop OS is for these days.
> 
> The “desktop” OS originated back in the day when people couldn’t afford
> “workstations”. Look at the Unix-based systems of the time (particularly
> the RISC-based ones), and you see machines that did interactive “desktop”
> stuff, with the added advantage of multitasking, but more than that, they
> also offered “server”-style functionality in the same package.
> 
> That, in essence, was a “workstation”. Microsoft killed it off in favour
> of a model where the server-style functionality is carefully crippled in
> the “desktop” OS, so if you want that, you have to pay extra bucks (a lot
> of extra bucks) for a “server” OS.
> 
> Well, Microsoft killed off the “Unix workstation”. But today we have the
> “Linux workstation” in its place, doing everything its predecessor could
> do back then, and more.

   The "desktop OS" went WAY back - originally to Xerox,
   there was even a C-128 version (which was better than
   Win-1).

   I have a VM running Win-1.x - just AWFUL !!! Oddly, found
   a BYTE magazine with a review of Win-1 ... I'm saving that.

   GUIs are just easier to deal with for a LOT of little
   things, esp things non-experts may need. Yea, yea,
   the purists think editing endless obscure config files
   is all anyone would want and need. NOPE ! Ain't 1960
   anymore folks, no warehouse full of clattering iron.

   Sorry, but 99.9x percent of computer users are NOT
   "experts". They need stuff to be easy, intuitive,
   to WORK without trauma. Granny needs her e-mail
   without setting up a full mail server on her PC
   and writing a POP3 app.

   M$ and Apple made VAST fortunes and influence by
   replacing the 'unix workstation desktop' with
   stuff that's NICE.

   It's up to Linux/Unix to CATCH UP in this respect.
   Joe and Jane User should kinda NEVER have to think
   about the underlying system - just point-n-click
   tweaks in an aesthetic, helpful, GUI.

   Yes, there will always be some of us who find
   an SSH terminal adequate for most tasks - but
   we're the VERY few, we're not really a "market"
   or "following".

   So .. <bitch-slaps> .....

   Just sayin'

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#60712 — Re: The joy of Linux

FromLawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2024-11-06 23:00 +0000
SubjectRe: The joy of Linux
Message-ID<vggsev$2aac4$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#60600
On Mon, 4 Nov 2024 22:33:38 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:

> GUIs are just easier to deal with for a LOT of little things, esp
> things non-experts may need.

They are also great for running multiple terminal sessions and being able 
to copy-paste between them and editor windows. In other words,

    GUI + command line = something more powerful than either on its own

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#60575 — Re: The joy of Linux

FromJohn Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com>
Date2024-11-04 14:26 -0800
SubjectRe: The joy of Linux
Message-ID<20241104142659.0000090c@gmail.com>
In reply to#60498
On Mon, 4 Nov 2024 13:19:25 +0000
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> But one has to ask what in fact a desktop OS is for these days.

Any damn thing you please, no walled gardens needed, thankyouverymuch.

> The 'home PC' is now a fondleslab, TV or smartphone.

People have been nattering about "the death of the PC" for upwards of
twelve years now - and they're still here.

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