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Can't Avoid That Shit Rust - Even On Gentoo

Started byFarley Flud <ff@linux.rocks>
First post2024-09-21 12:03 +0000
Last post2025-02-28 20:54 +0000
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  Can't Avoid That Shit Rust - Even On Gentoo Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2024-09-21 12:03 +0000
    Re: Can't Avoid That Shit Rust - Even On Gentoo Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-09-21 08:34 -0400
      Re: Can't Avoid That Shit Rust - Even On Gentoo Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2024-09-21 13:29 +0000
        Re: Can't Avoid That Shit Rust - Even On Gentoo Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-09-21 16:24 -0400
    Re: Can't Avoid That Shit Rust - Even On Gentoo "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-09-24 02:45 -0400
      Re: Can't Avoid That Shit Rust - Even On Gentoo Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-24 07:17 +0000
        Re: Can't Avoid That Shit Rust - Even On Gentoo Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2024-09-24 11:16 +0100
          Re: Can't Avoid That Shit Rust - Even On Gentoo "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-09-25 02:00 -0400
        Re: Can't Avoid That Shit Rust - Even On Gentoo "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-09-25 01:44 -0400
          Re: Can't Avoid That Shit Rust - Even On Gentoo Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-25 06:46 +0000
          Re: Can't Avoid That Shit Rust - Even On Gentoo rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-25 07:25 +0000
            Re: Can't Avoid That Shit Rust - Even On Gentoo Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-25 19:11 +0000
      Re: Can't Avoid That Shit Rust - Even On Gentoo D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-09-24 10:01 +0200
        Re: Can't Avoid That Shit Rust - Even On Gentoo "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-09-25 02:28 -0400
          Re: Can't Avoid That Shit Rust - Even On Gentoo Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-25 06:48 +0000
            Re: Can't Avoid That Shit Rust - Even On Gentoo "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-09-27 22:32 -0400
      The joy of FORTRAN Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2024-09-24 05:26 -0700
        Re: The joy of FORTRAN snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2024-09-24 14:11 +0100
          Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-24 15:28 +0100
            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-24 18:24 +0000
              Re: The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-09-24 19:13 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-24 15:37 -0700
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-09-24 23:06 +0000
              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-24 21:14 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-24 23:45 +0000
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-09-25 06:52 +0000
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-25 07:06 +0000
                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-09-25 08:51 +0000
                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-26 17:52 -0700
                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-27 17:43 +0000
                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2024-09-27 17:55 +0000
                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN R Daneel Olivaw <Danny@hyperspace.vogon.gov> - 2024-09-27 19:58 +0200
                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-27 20:38 +0000
                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Gordon Henderson <gordon+usenet@drogon.net> - 2024-09-28 11:35 +0000
                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-28 10:54 -0700
                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-09-28 20:13 +0000
                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-28 10:54 -0700
                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2024-09-28 11:34 -0700
                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-09-27 20:56 +0000
                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-27 23:18 +0000
                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-28 10:54 -0700
                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2024-09-30 16:26 -0400
                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2024-09-25 07:17 -1000
                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2024-09-25 21:10 +0100
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-09-25 08:00 -0400
                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-09-25 15:12 +0000
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-26 17:51 -0700
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN moi <findlaybill@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2024-09-27 02:29 +0100
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-25 00:52 +0000
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-09-25 08:03 -0400
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2024-09-25 17:29 +0100
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-25 19:11 +0000
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-26 17:52 -0700
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) - 2024-09-27 04:23 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2024-09-24 16:05 -1000
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-25 02:40 +0000
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bozo User <anthk@disroot.org> - 2024-10-11 14:49 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-09-25 07:58 -0400
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-26 17:52 -0700
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Andy Walker <anw@cuboid.co.uk> - 2024-09-27 19:29 +0100
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-27 23:25 +0000
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-28 10:54 -0700
              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-24 15:37 -0700
              Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-24 23:42 +0000
              Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2024-09-25 17:22 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-25 21:23 +0000
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2024-09-25 21:40 +0000
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-09-25 21:50 +0000
            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-24 15:36 -0700
              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Louis Krupp <lkrupp@invalid.pssw.com.invalid> - 2024-09-25 02:45 -0600
              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-25 21:24 +0000
            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Woozy Song <suzyw0ng@outlook.com> - 2024-09-25 11:03 +0800
              Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-25 04:38 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-25 05:31 +0000
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-26 17:52 -0700
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2024-09-30 10:58 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-09-25 08:06 -0400
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN R Daneel Olivaw <Danny@hyperspace.vogon.gov> - 2024-09-25 17:01 +0200
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2024-09-25 17:45 +0100
                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-25 19:11 +0000
                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN R Daneel Olivaw <Danny@hyperspace.vogon.gov> - 2024-09-25 21:30 +0200
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-09-25 15:03 +0000
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2024-09-25 07:31 -1000
                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2024-09-26 08:47 +0100
                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2024-09-26 07:49 -1000
                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-26 20:48 +0000
                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-26 22:36 +0000
                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-26 23:07 +0000
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-26 01:32 +0000
                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-09-26 08:21 -0700
                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-26 20:52 +0000
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2024-09-26 08:42 +0100
                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-26 10:10 +0000
                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2024-09-26 11:49 +0100
                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-26 20:43 +0000
                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2024-09-26 18:01 -0700
                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-27 01:36 +0000
                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2024-09-27 10:43 +0100
                                  Re: The joy of VAX Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-27 23:29 +0000
                                    Re: The joy of VAX Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2024-09-28 19:05 +0100
                                      Re: The joy of VAX Robert Marshall <spam@capuchin.co.uk> - 2024-09-29 08:35 +0100
                                        Re: The joy of VAX Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-09-29 07:56 +0000
                                        Re: The joy of VAX Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-29 13:15 -0700
                              The joy of VAX C Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2024-09-28 12:27 -0700
                                Re: The joy of VAX C The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-28 22:03 +0100
                                Re: The joy of VAX C rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-29 02:53 +0000
                                Re: The joy of VAX C Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-29 13:15 -0700
                                  Re: The joy of VAX C Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-29 23:10 +0000
                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-26 17:52 -0700
                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-27 01:39 +0000
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-26 17:52 -0700
                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-09-27 14:18 +0000
                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-28 10:29 -0700
                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2024-09-27 09:55 -1000
                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2024-09-27 11:13 -1000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-09-25 08:34 -0700
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-09-25 09:07 -0700
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-25 21:30 +0000
                  TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2024-09-25 15:18 -0400
                    Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-09-29 01:44 -0400
                      Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-29 07:50 +0100
                        Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-29 07:06 +0000
                          Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2024-09-29 06:55 -0700
                            Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2024-09-29 09:08 -0700
                            Re: Procedural, Functional, String [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-29 23:21 +0000
                              Re: Procedural, Functional, String [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2024-09-29 16:25 -0700
                                Re: Procedural, Functional, String [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] p.dean@invalid.net (Peter Dean) - 2024-09-29 23:36 +0000
                                Re: Procedural, Functional, String [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) - 2024-09-30 00:54 +0000
                          Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-29 20:55 +0000
                            Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-29 23:15 +0000
                              Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2024-09-30 10:24 +0100
                                Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-30 21:19 +0000
                                  Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Louis Krupp <lkrupp@invalid.pssw.com.invalid> - 2024-09-30 15:44 -0600
                                    Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-30 23:42 +0000
                                  Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2024-10-01 15:57 +0100
                                    Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-01 16:14 +0100
                                      Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-01 16:37 +0000
                                        Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-01 21:49 +0000
                                        Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-02 10:56 +0100
                                          Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-10-02 18:07 -0700
                                            Re: Recursion [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-03 01:22 +0000
                                      Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-01 21:48 +0000
                                        Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Louis Krupp <lkrupp@invalid.pssw.com.invalid> - 2024-10-03 03:04 -0600
                                          Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-03 18:35 +0000
                                            Re: C operator precedence rules Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-03 21:54 +0000
                                          Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-10-03 16:34 -0700
                                            Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-10-04 10:59 +0000
                                              Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-04 12:48 +0100
                                                Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-04 20:10 +0000
                                      Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-10-01 15:39 -0700
                                        Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-02 00:06 +0000
                                          Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-02 11:34 +0100
                                            Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2024-10-02 15:48 -0400
                                              Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-03 10:33 +0100
                                        Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-02 11:30 +0100
                                      Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2024-10-03 08:59 +0100
                                    Re: Multiple Inheritance [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-01 21:47 +0000
                                      Re: Multiple Inheritance [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2024-10-03 08:58 +0100
                                        Re: Multiple Inheritance [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-03 15:34 +0000
                                        Re: Multiple Inheritance [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-03 21:52 +0000
                                          Re: Multiple Inheritance [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-04 03:46 +0000
                          Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-09-30 11:09 -0700
                            Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-09-30 13:52 -0700
                              Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-30 21:27 +0000
                                Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-09-30 15:00 -0700
                                  Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-30 23:21 +0000
                              Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-09-30 16:27 -0700
                                Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-01 13:43 +0100
                                  Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-01 07:58 -0700
                                    Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-01 16:15 +0100
                                  Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-01 21:51 +0000
                                    Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-01 14:59 -0700
                                      Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-01 22:17 +0000
                                        Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-01 16:07 -0700
                                          Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-02 00:54 +0000
                                            Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-23 03:15 -0400
                                              Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-23 07:43 -0700
                                                Re: The Joy Of Object-Orientation Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-23 21:23 +0000
                                                  Re: The Joy Of Object-Orientation John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-23 14:40 -0700
                                                  Re: The Joy Of Object-Orientation "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-23 21:13 -0400
                                                    Re: The Joy Of Object-Orientation "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-24 02:38 -0400
                                                      Re: The Joy Of Object-Orientation The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-24 12:27 +0100
                                                        Re: The Joy Of Object-Orientation "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-24 21:10 -0400
                                Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-01 07:57 -0700
                                Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2024-10-03 00:17 +0000
                              Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2024-09-30 21:22 -0300
                            Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-01 01:31 +0000
                              Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-01 01:38 +0000
                              Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-01 07:43 -0700
                        Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2024-09-30 10:19 +0100
                      Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] moi <findlaybill@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2024-09-30 23:28 +0100
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-25 21:27 +0000
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-09-25 14:42 -0700
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-26 17:52 -0700
                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-27 01:41 +0000
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-25 21:29 +0000
          Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-24 17:53 +0000
            Re: The joy of FORTRAN R Daneel Olivaw <Danny@hyperspace.vogon.gov> - 2024-09-24 20:01 +0200
              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-24 15:36 -0700
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-25 00:52 +0000
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-25 04:45 +0000
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2024-09-25 17:39 +0100
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2024-09-25 07:13 -1000
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-25 19:11 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-25 11:34 +0100
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-09-25 08:08 -0400
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) - 2024-09-25 20:47 +0000
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-26 17:52 -0700
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-27 01:43 +0000
                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-27 17:43 +0000
                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-27 23:30 +0000
                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-28 02:20 +0000
                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-28 02:22 +0000
                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-28 07:42 +0100
                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-28 07:37 +0000
                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-09-28 07:07 -0400
                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-28 19:36 +0000
                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-28 22:04 +0100
                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2024-09-28 21:20 +0000
                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-28 22:28 +0100
                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-29 03:11 +0000
                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-29 07:22 +0100
                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-29 19:56 +0000
                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-09-30 10:01 -0700
                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-30 18:39 +0100
                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-09-30 11:15 -0700
                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-01 13:45 +0100
                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-01 08:02 -0700
                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-30 14:19 -0700
                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-29 04:26 +0000
                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-29 05:17 +0000
                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-30 05:46 +0000
                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-30 05:53 +0000
                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-30 14:19 -0700
                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-30 13:17 +0100
                                              Re: The joy of ALGOL-like languages Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-30 21:37 +0000
                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-30 14:19 -0700
                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-30 23:25 +0000
                                              Re: stacks are not hard, The joy of FORTRAN-like languages John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2024-10-04 03:49 +0000
                                                Re: stacks are not hard, The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-04 03:51 +0000
                                                  Re: stacks are not hard, The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2024-10-04 17:07 -1000
                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-29 07:26 +0100
                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-29 13:15 -0700
                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-30 13:11 +0100
                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-30 14:19 -0700
                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2024-09-30 16:51 -0400
                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-09-30 20:58 +0000
                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-30 21:33 +0000
                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2024-09-30 19:03 -0700
                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2024-10-01 16:53 -0400
                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2024-10-01 16:39 -0400
                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-09-30 23:10 +0000
                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2024-10-01 17:36 -0400
                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages geodandw <geodandw@gmail.com> - 2024-09-28 17:41 -0400
                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2024-09-28 21:44 +0000
                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-29 07:06 +0100
                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages geodandw <geodandw@gmail.com> - 2024-09-29 02:57 -0400
                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-29 08:34 +0100
                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-29 19:39 +0000
                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-29 23:25 +0000
                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2024-09-28 15:17 -0700
                                      7-bit encodings (was: Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-29 00:36 +0100
                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-29 03:15 +0000
                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-29 07:16 +0100
                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-29 19:29 +0000
                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-29 23:24 +0000
                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-09-30 16:31 +0000
                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-30 18:12 +0100
                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us (Scott Alfter) - 2024-09-30 21:26 +0000
                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-29 13:15 -0700
                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-30 13:10 +0100
                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-29 03:01 +0000
                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2024-09-29 07:58 +0000
                                    Into the woods of business Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2024-09-29 07:11 -0700
                                      Re: Into the woods of business vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2024-09-29 20:02 +0000
                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-29 20:09 +0000
                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-28 10:29 -0700
                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-28 21:41 +0000
                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-29 04:26 +0000
                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-29 05:26 +0000
                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-30 05:46 +0000
                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-30 05:54 +0000
                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-30 14:19 -0700
                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-30 23:26 +0000
                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Harold Stevens <wookie@aspen.localdomain> - 2024-10-01 03:52 -0500
                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Louis Krupp <lkrupp@invalid.pssw.com.invalid> - 2024-10-01 15:49 -0600
                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Harold Stevens <wookie@aspen.localdomain> - 2024-10-01 18:04 -0500
                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Louis Krupp <lkrupp@invalid.pssw.com.invalid> - 2024-10-02 03:12 -0600
                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-29 07:27 +0100
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2024-09-30 12:35 +0000
                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-30 14:26 +0100
                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-30 19:53 +0000
                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-30 21:47 +0000
                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-01 18:39 +0000
                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-01 21:55 +0000
                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-30 21:45 +0000
                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2024-10-01 17:40 -0400
                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-30 14:19 -0700
                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-30 21:44 +0000
              Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-24 23:31 +0000
            Re: The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-09-24 19:11 +0000
              Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-24 20:22 +0100
          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-24 21:09 +0000
            Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-24 23:49 +0000
          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-09-24 22:05 +0000
            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-24 15:37 -0700
        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-09-24 13:21 +0000
          Re: The joy of FORTRAN cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2024-09-24 17:12 +0000
            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-09-24 22:05 +0000
              Re: The joy of FORTRAN cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2024-09-25 13:01 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-09-25 15:13 +0000
        Re: The joy of FORTRAN R Daneel Olivaw <Danny@hyperspace.vogon.gov> - 2024-09-24 19:55 +0200
        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-24 15:36 -0700
        Re: The joy of FORTRAN "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-09-25 02:42 -0400
          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-25 06:47 +0000
            Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-25 07:14 +0000
          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-25 19:11 +0000
            Re: The joy of FORTRAN "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-09-25 23:16 -0400
              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-26 16:18 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-26 20:51 +0000
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2024-09-27 11:32 +0100
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-27 12:10 +0100
                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-09-27 14:15 +0000
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-09-27 14:13 +0000
                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-09-27 22:00 +0200
                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-27 20:38 +0000
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-27 23:33 +0000
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-28 10:29 -0700
                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-09-28 20:17 +0000
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-04 01:19 -0400
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-04 05:48 +0000
                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-04 02:03 -0400
                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-04 06:56 +0000
                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-04 07:40 +0000
                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-04 20:13 +0000
                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-04 22:47 +0000
                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-05 06:12 +0000
                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-05 23:20 -0400
                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-06 03:29 +0000
                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Louis Krupp <lkrupp@invalid.pssw.com.invalid> - 2024-10-06 16:06 -0600
                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-07 03:02 +0000
                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-20 00:13 -0400
                                          Re: The joy of FORTH p.dean@invalid.net (Peter Dean) - 2024-10-20 06:22 +0000
                                            Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-20 07:03 +0000
                                              Re: The joy of FORTH (not) p.dean@invalid.net (Peter Dean) - 2024-10-20 07:31 +0000
                                            Re: The joy of FORTH Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-20 19:00 +0000
                                              Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-20 21:37 +0000
                                                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-21 01:33 +0000
                                                  Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-21 03:30 +0000
                                                    Re: The joy of FORTH (not) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-21 06:51 +0000
                                                      Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-21 08:41 +0000
                                                        Re: The joy of FORTH (not) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-21 07:55 -0700
                                                          Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-21 20:53 +0000
                                                            Re: The joy of FORTH (not) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-21 15:16 -0700
                                                              Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-21 23:12 +0000
                                                                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-22 00:29 +0000
                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-22 01:11 +0000
                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTH (not) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-22 04:43 +0000
                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-22 04:46 +0000
                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTH (not) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-22 09:59 -0700
                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-22 20:52 +0000
                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTH (not) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-22 14:48 -0700
                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-22 22:23 +0000
                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTH (not) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-22 15:36 -0700
                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTH (not) magardner2010 <magardner2010@gmail.com> - 2024-10-23 14:33 +0300
                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-23 21:00 +0000
                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTH (not) magardner2010 <magardner2010@gmail.com> - 2024-10-24 06:45 +0300
                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-24 03:54 +0000
                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTH (not) "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-24 02:03 -0400
                                                                                        Re: The joy of Ada Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-24 06:36 +0000
                                                                                          Re: The joy of Ada "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-24 03:11 -0400
                                                                                            Re: The joy of Ada Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-24 20:50 +0000
                                                                                              Re: The joy of Ada "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-24 21:23 -0400
                                                                                                Re: The joy of Ada Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-25 17:32 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: The joy of Ada rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-25 19:46 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: The joy of SQL Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-25 22:41 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: The joy of SQL "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-25 21:58 -0400
                                                                                                        Re: The joy of SQL Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-26 02:40 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: The joy of SQL rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-26 06:02 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: The joy of SQL p.dean@invalid.net (Peter Dean) - 2024-10-26 16:35 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: The joy of SQL p.dean@invalid.net (Peter Dean) - 2024-10-26 16:52 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: The joy of SQL rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-26 05:53 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: The joy of SQL Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-26 07:18 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: The joy of SQL John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-28 08:04 -0700
                                                                                                            Re: The joy of SQL Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-10-28 11:33 -0400
                                                                                                              Re: The joy of SQL "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2024-10-28 17:59 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: The joy of SQL The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-26 11:07 +0100
                                                                                                          Re: The joy of SQL Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2024-10-26 16:44 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: The joy of SQL antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2024-10-26 18:48 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: The joy of SQL The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-27 09:52 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: The joy of SQL Mister Johnson <root@example.net> - 2024-10-27 13:00 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: The joy of SQL rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-27 17:40 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: The joy of SQL John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2024-10-27 18:38 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: The joy of SQL Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-28 02:42 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: The joy of SQL The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-27 09:32 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: The joy of SQL rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-27 17:35 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: The joy of Ada Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-26 04:38 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: The joy of Ada Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-26 05:39 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: The joy of Ada The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-26 11:08 +0100
                                                                                                        Re: The joy of Ada Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-26 18:01 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: The joy of Linux Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-26 20:26 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: The joy of Ada The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-27 09:46 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: The joy of Ada rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-27 18:40 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: The joy of Ada Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-27 21:30 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: The joy of Ada "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-28 00:58 -0400
                                                                                                                Re: The joy of Ada Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-28 05:09 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: The joy of Ada Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-28 05:18 +0000
                                                                                                                    Re: The joy of Linux Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-29 04:56 +0000
                                                                                                                      Re: The joy of Linux Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-29 18:35 +0000
                                                                                                                        Re: The joy of Linux Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-30 00:14 +0000
                                                                                                                          Re: The joy of Linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-30 01:24 +0000
                                                                                                                            Re: The joy of Linux "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-30 02:00 -0400
                                                                                                                              Re: The joy of Linux Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-31 02:20 +0000
                                                                                                                          Re: The joy of Linux Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2024-11-03 19:19 +0000
                                                                                                                            Re: The joy of Linux Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-03 23:28 +0000
                                                                                                                            Re: The joy of Linux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-04 13:19 +0000
                                                                                                                              Re: The joy of Linux Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-04 22:13 +0000
                                                                                                                                Re: The joy of Linux "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-11-04 22:33 -0500
                                                                                                                                  Re: The joy of Linux Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-06 23:00 +0000
                                                                                                                              Re: The joy of Linux John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-11-04 14:26 -0800
                                                                                                                                Re: The joy of Linux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-05 13:53 +0000
                                                                                                                                  Re: The joy of Linux "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-11-06 03:35 -0500
                                                                                                                                    Re: The joy of Linux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-06 11:31 +0000
                                                                                                                                      Re: The joy of Linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-06 17:59 +0000
                                                                                                                                        Re: The joy of Linux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-06 18:44 +0000
                                                                                                                                          Re: The joy of Linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-06 18:55 +0000
                                                                                                                                            Re: The joy of Linux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-07 10:40 +0000
                                                                                                                                              OT: (politics) [was Re: The joy of Linux] Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2024-11-08 03:28 +0000
                                                                                                                                                Re: OT: (politics) [was Re: The joy of Linux] The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-08 12:37 +0000
                                                                                                                                                  Re: OT: (politics) [was Re: The joy of Linux] Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-11-08 15:50 +0000
                                                                                                                                                    Re: OT: (politics) [was Re: The joy of Linux] The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-09 06:01 +0000
                                                                                                                                          Re: The joy of Linux D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-06 21:55 +0100
                                                                                                                                            Re: The joy of Linux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-07 11:25 +0000
                                                                                                                                        Re: The joy of Linux D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-06 21:46 +0100
                                                                                                                                          Re: The joy of Linux Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-11-06 16:43 -0500
                                                                                                                                            Re: The joy of Linux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-07 10:50 +0000
                                                                                                                                          Re: The joy of Linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-07 01:31 +0000
                                                                                                                                            Re: The joy of Linux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-07 10:52 +0000
                                                                                                                                              Re: The joy of Linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-07 20:10 +0000
                                                                                                                                                Re: The joy of Linux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-08 03:06 +0000
                                                                                                                                                  Re: The joy of Linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-08 04:12 +0000
                                                                                                                                                    Re: The joy of Linux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-08 12:43 +0000
                                                                                                                                                      Re: The joy of Linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-08 18:56 +0000
                                                                                                                                                        Re: The joy of Linux Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2024-11-08 22:33 +0000
                                                                                                                                                          Re: The joy of Linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-09 02:16 +0000
                                                                                                                                          Re: The joy of Linux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-07 10:45 +0000
                                                                                                                                            Re: The joy of Linux Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-11-07 19:23 +0000
                                                                                                                                              Re: The joy of Linux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-08 02:46 +0000
                                                                                                                                      Re: The joy of Linux Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-06 22:59 +0000
                                                                                                                                    Re: The joy of Linux Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-11-06 13:20 +0000
                                                                                                                                      Re: The joy of Linux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-06 14:04 +0000
                                                                                                                                        Re: The joy of Linux D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-06 16:49 +0100
                                                                                                                                          Re: The joy of Linux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-06 18:40 +0000
                                                                                                                                            Re: The joy of Linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-06 18:52 +0000
                                                                                                                                              Re: The joy of Linux John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-11-06 11:14 -0800
                                                                                                                                                Re: The joy of Linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-07 01:18 +0000
                                                                                                                                              Re: The joy of Linux D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-06 21:56 +0100
                                                                                                                                                Re: The joy of Linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-07 01:21 +0000
                                                                                                                                            Re: The joy of Linux D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-06 21:52 +0100
                                                                                                                                            Re: The joy of Linux Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2024-11-07 05:11 +0000
                                                                                                                                              Re: The joy of Linux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-07 11:50 +0000
                                                                                                                                        Re: The joy of Linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-06 18:09 +0000
                                                                                                                                      Re: The joy of Linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-06 18:05 +0000
                                                                                                                                        Re: The joy of Linux Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-11-06 18:17 +0000
                                                                                                                                          Re: The joy of Linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-06 19:01 +0000
                                                                                                                                            Re: The joy of Linux "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-11-09 20:37 -0500
                                                                                                                                              Re: The joy of Linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-10 02:38 +0000
                                                                                                                                                Re: The joy of Linux "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-11-10 02:08 -0500
                                                                                                                                                  Re: The joy of Linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-10 08:33 +0000
                                                                                                                                                    Re: The joy of Linux Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-11-10 19:53 +0000
                                                                                                                                                      Re: The joy of Linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-11 00:29 +0000
                                                                                                                                                    Re: The joy of Linux "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-11-10 19:44 -0500
                                                                                                                                                      Re: The joy of Linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-11 03:03 +0000
                                                                                                                                                        Re: The joy of Linux "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-11-12 01:19 -0500
                                                                                                                                                          Re: The joy of Linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-12 07:47 +0000
                                                                                                                                                            Re: The joy of Linux "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-11-13 03:19 -0500
                                                                                                                                                              Re: The joy of Linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-13 18:30 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                Re: The joy of Linux "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-11-14 00:59 -0500
                                                                                                                                                          Re: The joy of Linux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-12 08:38 +0000
                                                                                                                                                            Re: The joy of Linux "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-11-13 03:50 -0500
                                                                                                                                                              Re: The joy of Linux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-13 08:57 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                Re: The joy of Linux "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-11-14 01:08 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: The joy of Linux Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-11-14 14:16 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: The joy of Linux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-14 16:06 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: The joy of Linux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-14 16:08 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: The joy of Linux "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-11-15 03:04 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                      Re: The joy of Linux "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-11-16 01:04 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                        Re: The joy of Linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-16 06:13 +0000
                                                                                                                      Re: The joy of Linux "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-30 01:40 -0400
                                                                                                                    Re: The joy of Ada "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-30 01:55 -0400
                                                                                                                      Re: The joy of SQL Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-31 02:21 +0000
                                                                                                                        Re: The joy of SQL "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-31 01:35 -0400
                                                                                                                          Re: The joy of SQL Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-31 06:20 +0000
                                                                                                                            Re: The joy of SQL "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-31 23:57 -0400
                                                                                                                              Re: The joy of SQL Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-01 04:14 +0000
                                                                                                                                Re: The joy of SQL "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-11-01 02:45 -0400
                                                                                                                                  Re: The joy of SQL Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-01 20:56 +0000
                                                                                                                                    Re: The joy of SQL "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-11-02 01:19 -0400
                                                                                                                                      Re: The joy of SQL Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-02 06:18 +0000
                                                                                                                                        Re: The joy of SQL "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-11-02 03:21 -0400
                                                                                                                                          Re: The joy of SQL Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-03 00:15 +0000
                                                                                                                                            Re: The joy of SQL "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-11-02 21:51 -0400
                                                                                                                                              Re: The joy of SQL Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-03 23:32 +0000
                                                                                                                                      Re: The joy of SQL The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-02 11:49 +0000
                                                                                                                                        Re: The joy of SQL "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-11-02 21:48 -0400
                                                                                                                                          Re: The joy of SQL Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-03 23:30 +0000
                                                                                                                                            Re: The joy of SQL "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-11-03 20:36 -0500
                                                                                                                                              Re: The joy of SQL Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-04 22:09 +0000
                                                                                                                                                Re: The joy of SQL "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-11-05 01:54 -0500
                                                                                                                                                  Re: The joy of SQL Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-06 19:03 +0000
                                                                                                                                                    Re: The joy of SQL "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-11-06 19:07 -0500
                                                                                                                                                      Re: The joy of SQL Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-07 03:14 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: The joy of Ada "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-30 01:52 -0400
                                                                                                  Re: The joy of Ada "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-25 21:40 -0400
                                                                                                    Re: The joy of Ada Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-26 04:38 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: The joy of Ada rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-26 06:27 +0000
                                                                                      Re: The joy of strong typing magardner2010 <magardner2010@gmail.com> - 2024-10-24 10:56 +0300
                                                                                        Re: The joy of Python Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-24 20:55 +0000
                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-10-24 17:13 -0700
                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTH (not) "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-25 03:24 -0400
                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Jim Jackson <jj@franjam.org.uk> - 2024-10-23 14:41 +0000
                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-10-22 16:07 -0700
                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-22 23:37 +0000
                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTH (not) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-23 08:04 -0700
                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-23 20:57 +0000
                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-23 14:36 -0700
                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTH (not) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-23 23:02 +0000
                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-10-24 17:13 -0700
                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-25 01:32 +0000
                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTH (not) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-25 01:50 +0000
                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-25 17:32 +0000
                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2024-10-25 17:16 -0400
                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-25 22:39 +0000
                                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-10-25 18:48 -0700
                                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-26 04:38 +0000
                                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2024-10-25 22:59 -1000
                                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2024-10-26 09:10 -1000
                                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2024-10-26 12:35 -1000
                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-10-25 18:48 -0700
                                                                                        Re: Little old machines, The joy of FORTH (not) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2024-10-26 02:18 +0000
                                                                                          Re: Little old machines, The joy of FORTH (not) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-10-26 13:25 -0700
                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTH (not) antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2024-10-26 02:12 +0000
                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-10-25 18:48 -0700
                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTH (not) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-26 06:11 +0000
                                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTH (not) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-26 11:05 +0100
                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTH (not) antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2024-10-25 11:01 +0000
                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTH (not) antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2024-10-24 00:10 +0000
                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-24 00:44 +0000
                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTH (not) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-24 00:55 +0000
                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-24 03:53 +0000
                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTH (not) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-24 04:50 +0000
                                                            Re: The joy of FORTH (not) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-21 22:50 +0000
                                                            Re: The joy of FORTH (not) antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2024-10-23 22:25 +0000
                                                              Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-24 00:46 +0000
                                                                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-23 22:13 -0400
                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-24 03:55 +0000
                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTH (not) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-24 05:07 +0000
                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTH (not) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-24 08:03 -0700
                                                  Re: The joy of FORTH (not) p.dean@invalid.net (Peter Dean) - 2024-10-21 03:59 +0000
                                                  Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Marc Olschok <nobody@nowhere.invalid> - 2024-10-24 21:46 +0000
                                                    Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-24 22:29 +0000
                                                      Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Marc Olschok <nobody@nowhere.invalid> - 2024-10-27 20:30 +0000
                                                    Re: The joy of FORTH (not) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-25 00:00 +0000
                                                      Re: The joy of FORTH (not) "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2024-10-25 17:41 +0100
                                                    Re: The joy of FORTH (not) "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2024-10-25 17:40 +0100
                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-21 08:03 -0700
                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-07 10:00 +0100
                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-05 02:37 +0000
                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-05 06:13 +0000
                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-05 07:00 +0000
                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-05 08:08 +0000
                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-06 02:29 +0000
                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-06 03:43 +0000
                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-04 08:39 +0100
                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-04 08:00 -0700
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-04 17:06 +0000
                    Re: python abstractions, The joy of FORTRAN John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2024-10-04 18:00 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-09-27 02:45 -0400
                  Re: The joy of Ada Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-27 06:52 +0000
                    Re: The joy of Ada Andy Walker <anw@cuboid.co.uk> - 2024-09-27 12:02 +0100
                      Re: The joy of Ada Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-27 23:35 +0000
                      Re: The joy of Ada "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-09-27 20:54 -0400
                        Re: The joy of Ada Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-09-28 09:32 +0000
                          Re: The joy of Ada "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-09-29 01:30 -0400
                        Re: The joy of Ada Louis Krupp <lkrupp@invalid.pssw.com.invalid> - 2024-10-04 05:26 -0600
                          Re: The joy of Ada Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-10-04 15:48 +0000
                    Re: The joy of Ada Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-28 10:29 -0700
                      Re: The joy of Ada Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-28 21:45 +0000
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-09-27 07:59 -0700
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Harold Stevens <wookie@aspen.localdomain> - 2024-09-27 11:08 -0500
                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-09-27 09:32 -0700
                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN R Daneel Olivaw <Danny@hyperspace.vogon.gov> - 2024-09-27 18:38 +0200
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-27 17:43 +0000
                    Re: The pain of Excel Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-27 23:41 +0000
                      Re: The pain of Excel Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-29 04:26 +0000
                        Re: The pain of Excel Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-29 05:35 +0000
                          Re: The pain of Excel Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-30 05:46 +0000
                            Re: The pain of Excel Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-30 05:55 +0000
                          Re: The pain of Excel Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2024-09-30 10:36 +0100
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-09-27 21:49 -0400
                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-09-30 10:36 -0700
                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-30 18:51 +0100
                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-30 21:48 +0000
                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-09-30 18:04 +0000
                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-30 14:19 -0700
                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-30 21:52 +0000
                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-01 01:26 +0000
                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-01 01:39 +0000
                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2024-10-01 11:35 +0000
                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-10-01 15:39 -0700
                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-02 00:58 +0000
              Re: The joy of FORTRAN moi <findlaybill@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2024-09-26 23:30 +0100
            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-26 17:52 -0700
              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-27 17:43 +0000
          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-26 17:52 -0700
            Re: The joy of FORTRAN geodandw <geodandw@gmail.com> - 2024-09-26 21:20 -0400
              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-27 17:43 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN geodandw <geodandw@gmail.com> - 2024-09-27 15:09 -0400
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-27 20:38 +0000
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-27 23:43 +0000
                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-29 04:26 +0000
                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-29 05:36 +0000
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-09-28 03:18 -0400
                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-28 09:12 +0100
                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-28 08:24 +0000
                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-09-29 01:28 -0400
                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-29 05:42 +0000
                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-29 20:00 +0000
                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Harold Stevens <wookie@aspen.localdomain> - 2024-09-29 17:08 -0500
                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-29 23:28 +0000
                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-09-29 23:36 -0400
                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-30 07:40 +0000
                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-30 07:52 +0000
                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-30 20:19 +0000
                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-30 13:08 +0100
                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-30 14:19 -0700
                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-02 03:34 -0400
                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN moi <findlaybill@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2024-10-03 17:32 +0100
                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com - 2025-02-25 19:33 +0000
                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-25 20:26 +0000
                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2025-02-25 13:43 -0700
                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-02-25 13:03 -0800
                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-02-25 21:06 +0000
                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-02-25 13:22 -0800
                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-02-25 21:40 +0000
                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2025-02-25 15:47 -0700
                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2025-02-25 15:47 -0700
                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-25 23:02 +0000
                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-02-25 15:19 -0800
                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-25 23:48 +0000
                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-02-25 15:57 -0800
                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2025-02-26 19:51 -0500
                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-27 01:01 +0000
                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2025-02-27 19:37 -0500
                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-02-27 08:03 -0800
                                                                Re: the end of 18 bits, The joy of FORTRAN John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-02-27 17:44 +0000
                                                                  Re: the end of 18 bits, The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-02-27 18:54 +0000
                                                                    Re: the end of 18 bits, The joy of FORTRAN John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-02-28 03:00 +0000
                                                                      Re: the end of 18 bits, The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-02-28 14:32 +0000
                                                                        Re: the end of 18 bits, The joy of FORTRAN John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-02-28 17:51 +0000
                                                                  Re: the end of 18 bits, The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-27 21:32 +0000
                                                                  Re: the end of 18 bits, The joy of FORTRAN Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-02-28 07:30 -0500
                                                                    Re: the end of 18 bits, The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-02-28 20:03 -0500
                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Alfred Falk <aefalk@telus.net> - 2025-03-07 04:42 +0000
                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2025-03-07 13:06 +0000
                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2025-03-07 06:46 -1000
                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-07 19:23 +0000
                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2025-03-08 03:02 +0000
                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2025-03-08 04:12 +0000
                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-08 05:09 +0000
                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-08 00:21 -0500
                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-08 08:04 +0000
                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-03-08 14:42 +0000
                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-08 20:37 +0000
                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-08 22:13 +0000
                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-09 00:20 -0500
                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-09 07:07 +0000
                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-09 04:55 -0400
                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-09 19:40 +0000
                                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-09 22:50 -0400
                                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-10 06:18 +0000
                                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-03-10 15:37 +0000
                                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-10 20:50 +0000
                                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-03-10 21:14 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-10 22:54 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-12 05:49 -0400
                                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-12 05:43 -0400
                                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-12 05:03 -0400
                                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-11 05:22 -0400
                                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-11 10:47 +0000
                                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-11 20:36 +0000
                                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-12 22:50 -0400
                                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-13 04:30 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-13 02:22 -0400
                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2025-03-09 21:56 -0400
                                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-10 00:18 -0400
                                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-10 05:02 +0000
                                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-10 17:26 +0000
                                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-10 21:19 +0000
                                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-12 05:36 -0400
                                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-03-12 09:00 -0700
                                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-12 17:30 +0000
                                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-12 17:23 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-03-12 18:37 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2025-03-12 19:42 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-03-12 20:31 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-12 23:16 -0400
                                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-12 19:56 +0000
                                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2025-03-10 12:23 +0000
                                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-10 05:09 +0000
                                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-10 11:10 +0000
                                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-10 17:26 +0000
                                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-10 21:02 +0000
                                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-11 08:02 +0000
                                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-11 09:02 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-11 09:10 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN David LaRue <huey.dll@tampabay.rr.com> - 2025-03-11 09:44 +0000
                                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-11 18:27 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-11 20:07 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-11 20:38 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-11 22:51 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-12 05:50 -0400
                                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-12 12:02 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-03-12 14:33 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-12 20:29 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-12 21:40 -0400
                                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-13 13:07 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-14 00:21 -0400
                                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-11 20:26 +0000
                                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-12 05:44 -0400
                                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-12 12:34 +0000
                                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-12 04:47 -0400
                                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-12 12:18 +0000
                                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-12 19:56 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-12 20:32 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-13 01:24 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-12 23:53 -0400
                                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-13 04:37 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-03-13 14:36 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-13 16:51 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Don_from_AZ <djatechNOSPAM@comcast.net.invalid> - 2025-03-13 19:59 -0700
                                                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2025-03-14 03:13 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-14 02:27 -0400
                                                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-14 03:30 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-14 02:33 -0400
                                                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-14 02:24 -0400
                                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2025-03-14 17:37 -0700
                                                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-03-15 17:19 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-15 19:38 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-15 19:42 -0400
                                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Don_from_AZ <djatechNOSPAM@comcast.net.invalid> - 2025-03-10 08:51 -0700
                                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-10 21:13 +0000
                                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-12 05:47 -0400
                                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-12 05:04 -0400
                                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-12 12:29 +0000
                                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-12 17:55 +0000
                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-09 16:51 +0000
                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2025-03-09 18:32 +0000
                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-09 19:14 +0000
                                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-09 22:01 -0400
                                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-10 05:52 +0000
                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2025-03-08 15:55 -0500
                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-08 23:05 -0500
                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-09 06:57 +0000
                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-09 04:43 -0400
                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-09 19:00 +0000
                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-09 21:27 -0400
                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-10 04:07 +0000
                                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-10 06:32 +0000
                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-09 10:29 +0000
                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-09 20:09 -0400
                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-03-09 14:30 +0000
                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-09 20:30 -0400
                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-10 05:26 +0000
                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-03-10 15:56 +0000
                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-12 05:06 -0400
                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-09 16:51 +0000
                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Thomas Prufer <prufer.public@mnet-online.de.invalid> - 2025-03-24 12:41 +0100
                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Thomas Prufer <prufer.public@mnet-online.de.invalid> - 2025-03-24 12:07 +0100
                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-25 00:47 -0400
                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-25 06:01 +0000
                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-25 07:54 -0400
                                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-26 01:52 +0000
                                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-25 23:58 -0400
                                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-26 16:56 +0000
                                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-26 19:04 +0000
                                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-26 22:57 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Thomas Prufer <prufer.public@mnet-online.de.invalid> - 2025-03-27 08:09 +0100
                                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-27 18:32 +0000
                                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-27 03:39 -0400
                                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-26 00:02 -0400
                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-08 22:57 -0500
                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-09 06:35 +0000
                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-09 04:21 -0400
                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-09 16:51 +0000
                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-09 20:57 -0400
                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-10 05:18 +0000
                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-10 11:06 +0000
                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-10 21:32 +0000
                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-10 11:02 +0000
                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-10 17:26 +0000
                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-03-10 18:11 +0000
                                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-10 23:59 +0000
                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-12 05:40 -0400
                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-12 04:00 -0400
                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-12 12:18 +0000
                                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-12 19:56 +0000
                                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-12 20:43 +0000
                                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-12 23:35 -0400
                                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-13 05:31 +0000
                                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-13 03:17 -0400
                                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-13 16:26 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-14 00:47 -0400
                                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-14 10:46 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-14 07:13 -0400
                                                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-14 14:03 +0000
                                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2025-03-13 04:19 +0000
                                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-13 05:31 +0000
                                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-13 03:09 -0400
                                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-13 16:37 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-13 18:46 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-03-13 11:56 -0700
                                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-13 22:05 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-14 02:21 -0400
                                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-14 01:51 -0400
                                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-14 18:07 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-15 06:49 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-15 09:06 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-15 19:34 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-15 23:52 -0400
                                                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-16 04:32 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-16 06:35 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-16 04:06 -0400
                                                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-16 18:56 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-16 18:19 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-17 03:58 +0000
                                                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-17 04:14 +0000
                                                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-17 00:59 -0400
                                                                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-17 21:00 +0000
                                                                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-18 04:25 -0400
                                                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-17 00:45 -0400
                                                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-16 09:04 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-16 05:29 -0400
                                                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-16 20:06 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-03-16 21:42 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-16 23:49 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-16 23:35 -0400
                                                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-17 05:15 +0000
                                                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-17 01:39 -0400
                                                                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-17 21:36 +0000
                                                                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-18 04:35 -0400
                                                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-03-17 08:00 -0700
                                                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-17 18:05 +0000
                                                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-03-17 12:05 -0700
                                                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-17 21:42 +0000
                                                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-03-17 14:57 -0700
                                                                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-18 04:49 -0400
                                                                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-18 10:54 +0000
                                                                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-18 08:12 -0400
                                                                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-18 16:58 +0000
                                                                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-20 05:36 -0400
                                                                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-20 12:21 +0000
                                                                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-03-20 08:03 -0700
                                                                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-20 18:44 +0000
                                                                                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-20 19:41 +0000
                                                                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-20 22:07 +0000
                                                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-18 04:54 -0400
                                                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-03-18 08:24 -0700
                                                                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-03-21 22:22 +0000
                                                                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-22 00:26 +0000
                                                                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-22 00:26 +0000
                                                                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-03-22 12:56 +0100
                                                                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-23 04:20 -0400
                                                                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 07:54 -0700
                                                                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-25 01:49 -0400
                                                                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-25 11:15 +0000
                                                                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 08:19 -0700
                                                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-16 18:19 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-16 23:15 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-03-17 07:49 -0700
                                                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-03-17 07:45 -0700
                                                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-17 21:16 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-03-17 15:06 -0700
                                                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-18 04:31 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-03-18 08:28 -0700
                                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-14 18:25 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-13 18:46 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-14 02:19 -0400
                                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-03-14 08:05 -0700
                                                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-14 16:20 +0000
                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-08 22:30 -0500
                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2025-03-09 03:49 +0000
                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-09 01:10 -0500
                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-09 16:51 +0000
                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-09 20:42 -0400
                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-10 06:27 +0000
                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-11 05:31 -0400
                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-11 18:27 +0000
                                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-12 22:17 -0400
                                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-13 04:56 +0000
                                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-13 02:25 -0400
                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-26 01:35 +0000
                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-02-26 14:10 +0000
                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-26 19:03 +0000
                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2025-02-26 19:43 -0500
                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-02-26 02:13 +0000
                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-02-26 08:37 -0800
                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2025-02-26 15:17 -0700
                                                        Re: where the PDP-8 came from, not The joy of FORTRAN John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-02-27 01:39 +0000
                                                          Re: where the PDP-8 came from, not The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-27 04:42 +0000
                                                            Re: where the PDP-8 came from, not The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-02-27 07:43 +0000
                                                            Re: where the PDP-8 came from, not The joy of FORTRAN Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2025-02-27 19:41 -0500
                                                              Re: where the PDP-8 came from, not The joy of FORTRAN Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2025-02-28 21:49 -0500
                                                    Re: The joy of old small computers, which sort of ran FORTRAN John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-02-26 03:23 +0000
                                                      Re: The joy of old small computers, which sort of ran FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-02-26 00:41 -0500
                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2025-02-25 15:47 -0700
                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-25 22:56 +0000
                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2025-02-26 19:22 -0500
                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-02-27 00:56 +0000
                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-27 01:00 +0000
                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-02-27 07:43 +0000
                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-27 08:00 +0000
                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-02-27 18:39 +0000
                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2025-02-27 19:29 -0500
                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-02-28 01:39 -0500
                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-28 07:34 +0000
                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-02-28 07:26 -0500
                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-28 19:22 +0000
                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-28 19:58 +0000
                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN moi <findlaybill@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2025-03-01 00:02 +0000
                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-02-28 14:19 +0000
                                                            Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-02-28 18:11 +0000
                                                              Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-28 20:57 +0000
                                                                Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2025-02-28 17:51 -0700
                                                                  Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-03-01 01:48 +0000
                                                                    Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-03-01 14:47 +0000
                                                                      Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2025-03-01 11:43 -0700
                                                                        Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-03-01 20:56 +0000
                                                                        Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2025-03-01 21:28 +0000
                                                                    Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Andy Walker <anw@cuboid.co.uk> - 2025-03-01 15:21 +0000
                                                                    Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Al Kossow <aek@bitsavers.org> - 2025-03-02 02:50 -0800
                                                                      Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-03-02 20:34 +0000
                                                                        Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-02 21:38 +0000
                                                                          Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2025-03-03 00:25 +0000
                                                                            Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-03 01:38 +0000
                                                                            Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-03-03 03:01 +0000
                                                                              Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2025-03-03 06:54 -0700
                                                                                Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-03 23:38 +0000
                                                                                  Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-03 23:07 -0500
                                                                                    Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2025-03-04 12:02 +0000
                                                                                Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-03-04 01:06 +0000
                                                                      Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-02 21:36 +0000
                                                                    Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-03-02 14:58 +0000
                                                                      Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-02 21:39 +0000
                                                                        Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-03-03 01:50 +0000
                                                                          Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-03 02:07 +0000
                                                                            Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-03 03:04 +0000
                                                                          Re: evolution of arithmetic, was bytes, The joy of FORTRAN John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-03-03 03:05 +0000
                                                                            Re: evolution of arithmetic, was bytes, The joy of FORTRAN antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-03-04 23:39 +0000
                                                                            Re: evolution of arithmetic, was bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-03-05 00:38 +0000
                                                                              Re: evolution of arithmetic, was bytes, The joy of FORTRAN John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-03-05 03:00 +0000
                                                                                Re: evolution of arithmetic, was bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-03-05 23:49 +0000
                                                                                Re: evolution of arithmetic, was bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-06 00:49 +0000
                                                                                  Re: evolution of arithmetic, was bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-06 05:11 +0000
                                                                                    Re: evolution of arithmetic, was bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-06 05:58 +0000
                                                                                      Re: evolution of arithmetic, was bytes, The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-03-06 14:43 +0000
                                                                                    Re: evolution of arithmetic, was bytes, The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-03-06 14:42 +0000
                                                                          Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2025-03-03 06:54 -0700
                                                                            Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-03 19:16 +0000
                                                                            Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-03 23:41 +0000
                                                                              Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-03-04 00:16 +0000
                                                                                Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-04 03:01 +0000
                                                                              Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2025-03-03 17:36 -0700
                                                                                Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-04 02:59 +0000
                                                                                Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-03 23:11 -0500
                                                                                  Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-04 07:11 +0000
                                                                              Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-04 19:22 +0000
                                                                                Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-04 20:39 +0000
                                                                  Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2025-02-28 21:39 -0500
                                                                  Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-01 02:43 +0000
                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-28 19:34 +0000
                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-02-28 21:11 -0500
                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-01 04:42 +0000
                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-01 00:04 -0500
                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2025-03-01 11:43 -0700
                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-01 20:11 +0000
                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-02 01:44 -0500
                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2025-03-01 11:43 -0700
                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-02 01:00 -0500
                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2025-03-01 11:43 -0700
                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-01 21:07 +0000
                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2025-02-28 21:36 -0500
                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-02-26 00:26 -0500
                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2025-02-26 19:34 -0500
                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-02-28 13:41 +0000
                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2025-02-28 13:59 +0000
                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-02-28 14:30 +0000
                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-02-28 17:36 +0000
                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2025-02-28 19:56 +0100
                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-28 20:54 +0000

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#58663 — Re: The joy of VAX

FromRobert Marshall <spam@capuchin.co.uk>
Date2024-09-29 08:35 +0100
SubjectRe: The joy of VAX
Message-ID<877cauvrnj.fsf@capuchin.co.uk>
In reply to#58615
On Sat, Sep 28 2024, Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> wrote:

> On 9/28/24 00:29, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>> My knowledge of those documents comes from having actual paper
>> copies
>> while using actual physical machines, back in the day when these systems
>> were new.
>> 
>
> Well, ok, 40 years on I can't remember every manual I read. Especially
> given the size of the VMS collection.
>
> <https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/80/Vax-vms-grey-wall.jpg>
>
> I do have a vague memory the Vax C manual you mention was an orange
> one, and smaller than the rest, no idea if it is a correct memory. I
> can't even remember much of K&R now.
>

I can't remember any Vax manuals being grey just orange like on the rhs
of your picture. Did it depend on the date or the country they were
distributed from?

Robert
-- 
Robert Marshall he/him twiX:@rajm  https://mastodon.world/@rajm

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#58664 — Re: The joy of VAX

FromBob Eager <news0009@eager.cx>
Date2024-09-29 07:56 +0000
SubjectRe: The joy of VAX
Message-ID<llsfi7FmmqaU28@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#58663
On Sun, 29 Sep 2024 08:35:28 +0100, Robert Marshall wrote:

>> I do have a vague memory the Vax C manual you mention was an orange
>> one, and smaller than the rest, no idea if it is a correct memory. I
>> can't even remember much of K&R now.
>>
>>
> I can't remember any Vax manuals being grey just orange like on the rhs
> of your picture. Did it depend on the date or the country they were
> distributed from?

In the UK, version 4 manuals were orange. Those for V5 were grey.

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#58684 — Re: The joy of VAX

FromPeter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com>
Date2024-09-29 13:15 -0700
SubjectRe: The joy of VAX
Message-ID<565505059.749333158.609360.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#58663
Robert Marshall <spam@capuchin.co.uk> wrote:
> On Sat, Sep 28 2024, Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> wrote:
> 
>> On 9/28/24 00:29, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>> My knowledge of those documents comes from having actual paper
>>> copies
>>> while using actual physical machines, back in the day when these systems
>>> were new.
>>> 
>> 
>> Well, ok, 40 years on I can't remember every manual I read. Especially
>> given the size of the VMS collection.
>> 
>> <https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/80/Vax-vms-grey-wall.jpg>
>> 
>> I do have a vague memory the Vax C manual you mention was an orange
>> one, and smaller than the rest, no idea if it is a correct memory. I
>> can't even remember much of K&R now.
>> 
> 
> I can't remember any Vax manuals being grey just orange like on the rhs
> of your picture. Did it depend on the date or the country they were
> distributed from?
> 
> Robert

Date. It changed from “orange wall” to “grey wall” (or visa-versa)

-- 
Pete

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#58617 — The joy of VAX C

FromLars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com>
Date2024-09-28 12:27 -0700
SubjectThe joy of VAX C
Message-ID<vd9lc0$1ceg1$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#58523

On 26/09/2024 18:01, Lars Poulsen wrote:
> On 26/09/2024 13:43, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>> On Thu, 26 Sep 2024 11:49:37 +0100, Pancho wrote:
>>
>>> On 9/26/24 11:10, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, 26 Sep 2024 08:42:32 +0100, Pancho wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> ... a bitch to work out how to call Vax C from Vax Pascal, or vice
>>>>> versa.
>>>>
>>>> Why would it be that hard? VAX C passed everything by value, while
>>>> Pascal let you specify descriptors, references, immediate value ... all
>>>> the options.
>>>
>>> There ware decisions to be made, like what order do you push variables
>>> onto the stack, when do you push the return address, how to interpret a
>>> Pascal String in C.
>>
>> All these things were standardized in the VAX/VMS ABI, right from the
>> beginning.
> 
> IIRC, VAX C did not completely follow the standard calling conventions, 
> which created some issues in mixed-language applications.

In retrospect, I think the problems in mixing C with other languages 
came down to this:

For a C routine to be callable from another language, I suspect that the 
C routine would have to declare each and every argument as a descriptor 
structure, the use the descriptor to find the data.
And for a C routine to call a subroutine in another language, it would 
have to build a descriptor structure for that argument.

More trouble than anyone would want if they were used to C on any other 
platform. Was that the right or the wrong choice?
An extension with a keyword like "descriptor" attached to a procedure 
prototype could have made that much easier to work with!

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#58621 — Re: The joy of VAX C

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2024-09-28 22:03 +0100
SubjectRe: The joy of VAX C
Message-ID<vd9quk$1d6gq$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#58617
On 28/09/2024 20:27, Lars Poulsen wrote:
> 
> 
> On 26/09/2024 18:01, Lars Poulsen wrote:
>> On 26/09/2024 13:43, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>> On Thu, 26 Sep 2024 11:49:37 +0100, Pancho wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 9/26/24 11:10, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 26 Sep 2024 08:42:32 +0100, Pancho wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> ... a bitch to work out how to call Vax C from Vax Pascal, or vice
>>>>>> versa.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why would it be that hard? VAX C passed everything by value, while
>>>>> Pascal let you specify descriptors, references, immediate value ... 
>>>>> all
>>>>> the options.
>>>>
>>>> There ware decisions to be made, like what order do you push variables
>>>> onto the stack, when do you push the return address, how to interpret a
>>>> Pascal String in C.
>>>
>>> All these things were standardized in the VAX/VMS ABI, right from the
>>> beginning.
>>
>> IIRC, VAX C did not completely follow the standard calling 
>> conventions, which created some issues in mixed-language applications.
> 
> In retrospect, I think the problems in mixing C with other languages 
> came down to this:
> 
> For a C routine to be callable from another language, I suspect that the 
> C routine would have to declare each and every argument as a descriptor 
> structure, the use the descriptor to find the data.

Depends on the language. I had no problem in calling C and being called 
by C from assembler.

But that's on bare metal, not on a VAX...

> And for a C routine to call a subroutine in another language, it would 
> have to build a descriptor structure for that argument.
> 
> More trouble than anyone would want if they were used to C on any other 
> platform. Was that the right or the wrong choice?
> An extension with a keyword like "descriptor" attached to a procedure 
> prototype could have made that much easier to work with!

-- 
“It is hard to imagine a more stupid decision or more dangerous way of 
making decisions than by putting those decisions in the hands of people 
who pay no price for being wrong.”

Thomas Sowell

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#58633 — Re: The joy of VAX C

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2024-09-29 02:53 +0000
SubjectRe: The joy of VAX C
Message-ID<llrtohFqbh9U2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#58617
On Sat, 28 Sep 2024 12:27:59 -0700, Lars Poulsen wrote:

> And for a C routine to call a subroutine in another language, it would
> have to build a descriptor structure for that argument.

extern "C"
{
    ............
]

is handy in C++ but afaik it only works for C++.

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#58681 — Re: The joy of VAX C

FromPeter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com>
Date2024-09-29 13:15 -0700
SubjectRe: The joy of VAX C
Message-ID<298685215.749331712.972263.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#58617
Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> On 26/09/2024 18:01, Lars Poulsen wrote:
>> On 26/09/2024 13:43, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>> On Thu, 26 Sep 2024 11:49:37 +0100, Pancho wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On 9/26/24 11:10, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Thu, 26 Sep 2024 08:42:32 +0100, Pancho wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> ... a bitch to work out how to call Vax C from Vax Pascal, or vice
>>>>>> versa.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Why would it be that hard? VAX C passed everything by value, while
>>>>> Pascal let you specify descriptors, references, immediate value ... all
>>>>> the options.
>>>> 
>>>> There ware decisions to be made, like what order do you push variables
>>>> onto the stack, when do you push the return address, how to interpret a
>>>> Pascal String in C.
>>> 
>>> All these things were standardized in the VAX/VMS ABI, right from the
>>> beginning.
>> 
>> IIRC, VAX C did not completely follow the standard calling conventions, 
>> which created some issues in mixed-language applications.
> 
> In retrospect, I think the problems in mixing C with other languages 
> came down to this:
> 
> For a C routine to be callable from another language, I suspect that the 
> C routine would have to declare each and every argument as a descriptor 
> structure, the use the descriptor to find the data.
> And for a C routine to call a subroutine in another language, it would 
> have to build a descriptor structure for that argument.
> 
> More trouble than anyone would want if they were used to C on any other 
> platform. Was that the right or the wrong choice?
> An extension with a keyword like "descriptor" attached to a procedure 
> prototype could have made that much easier to work with!
> 

IBM PL/I has that now. You can declare arguments descriptor/nodescriptor
and byaddr/byvalue.

 -- 
Pete

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#58690 — Re: The joy of VAX C

FromLawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2024-09-29 23:10 +0000
SubjectRe: The joy of VAX C
Message-ID<vdcmp9$1tmdr$4@dont-email.me>
In reply to#58681
On Sun, 29 Sep 2024 13:15:00 -0700, Peter Flass wrote:

> IBM PL/I has that now.

It was really bizarre that PL/I carried over Fortran-style argument-
passing at all.

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#58522 — Re: The joy of FORTRAN

FromPeter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com>
Date2024-09-26 17:52 -0700
SubjectRe: The joy of FORTRAN
Message-ID<316174020.749090663.742893.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#58491
Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> wrote:
> On 9/25/24 16:03, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>> Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> writes:
>>> rbowman wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>> 
>>>> On Wed, 25 Sep 2024 11:03:13 +0800, Woozy Song wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> When I went to uni in the 70s, the computer science lecturer had a
>>>>> hard-on for Pascal, the latest and greatest. Always slipped in snide
>>>>> remarks about BASIC or COBOL in most classes.
>>>> 
>>>> Better Pascal than Modula/Modula-2.  I swear as soon as anybody figured
>>>> out how to do anything useful with one of his languages Wirth designed a
>>>> new, more obscure version.
>>>> 
>>>> https://www.modula2.org/tutor/chapter8.php
>>>> 
>>>> Chapter 8 - Input/Output
>>>> In preparation
>>>> 
>>>> That sums it up. I've heard Wirth's languages described as programs that
>>>> are designed to tell secrets to themselves.
>>> 
>>> Wirth: His name is pronounced "virth" if by reference, and "worth" if by value.
>>> 
>>> I found the original Pascal to be confining.
>>> 
>> 
>> VAX-11 Pascal, on the other hand, was wonderful. Enough useful
>> extensions to make it a very viable systems programming language.
>> 
> 
> 
> Indeed, but a bitch to work out how to call Vax C from Vax Pascal, or 
> vice versa. Life was so much harder before search engines and the internet.
> 
> 
> 

I thought that was one of the VAX’s strong points. Common runtime for all
language and calling sequences explicitly spelled out.

-- 
Pete

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#58531 — Re: The joy of FORTRAN

FromLawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2024-09-27 01:39 +0000
SubjectRe: The joy of FORTRAN
Message-ID<vd52c3$i6sg$5@dont-email.me>
In reply to#58522
On Thu, 26 Sep 2024 17:52:10 -0700, Peter Flass wrote:

> I thought that was one of the VAX’s strong points. Common runtime for
> all language and calling sequences explicitly spelled out.

Yes it was, and for languages like Fortran or Pascal, DEC added special 
extensions to make it easier for them to interoperate in this way. Seems 
like they didn’t bother with that for their C compiler -- I suppose they 
figured C programmers didn’t need hand holding ...

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#58519 — Re: The joy of FORTRAN

FromPeter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com>
Date2024-09-26 17:52 -0700
SubjectRe: The joy of FORTRAN
Message-ID<812283282.749089604.682794.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#58450
Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
> Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> writes:
>> rbowman wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>> 
>>> On Wed, 25 Sep 2024 11:03:13 +0800, Woozy Song wrote:
>>> 
>>>> When I went to uni in the 70s, the computer science lecturer had a
>>>> hard-on for Pascal, the latest and greatest. Always slipped in snide
>>>> remarks about BASIC or COBOL in most classes.
>>> 
>>> Better Pascal than Modula/Modula-2.  I swear as soon as anybody figured 
>>> out how to do anything useful with one of his languages Wirth designed a 
>>> new, more obscure version.
>>> 
>>> https://www.modula2.org/tutor/chapter8.php
>>> 
>>> Chapter 8 - Input/Output
>>> In preparation
>>> 
>>> That sums it up. I've heard Wirth's languages described as programs that 
>>> are designed to tell secrets to themselves.
>> 
>> Wirth: His name is pronounced "virth" if by reference, and "worth" if by value.
>> 
>> I found the original Pascal to be confining.
>> 
> 
> VAX-11 Pascal, on the other hand, was wonderful. Enough useful
> extensions to make it a very viable systems programming language.
> 
> 

As Lynne will be happy to tell you, the original IBM TCP/IP implementation
was written in IBM Pascal for VM/CMS.

-- 
Pete

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#58543 — Re: The joy of FORTRAN

FromBob Eager <news0009@eager.cx>
Date2024-09-27 14:18 +0000
SubjectRe: The joy of FORTRAN
Message-ID<llnt4uFmmqaU22@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#58519
On Thu, 26 Sep 2024 17:52:07 -0700, Peter Flass wrote:

>> VAX-11 Pascal, on the other hand, was wonderful. Enough useful
>> extensions to make it a very viable systems programming language.
>> 
>> 
>> 
> As Lynne will be happy to tell you, the original IBM TCP/IP
> implementation was written in IBM Pascal for VM/CMS.

Who remembers PMDF on the VAX?



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#58607 — Re: The joy of FORTRAN

FromPeter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com>
Date2024-09-28 10:29 -0700
SubjectRe: The joy of FORTRAN
Message-ID<176294049.749153962.392731.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#58543
Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Sep 2024 17:52:07 -0700, Peter Flass wrote:
> 
>>> VAX-11 Pascal, on the other hand, was wonderful. Enough useful
>>> extensions to make it a very viable systems programming language.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> As Lynne will be happy to tell you, the original IBM TCP/IP
>> implementation was written in IBM Pascal for VM/CMS.
> 
> Who remembers PMDF on the VAX?
> 

I installed it on a 750 at a prior employer.

-- 
Pete

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#58565 — Re: The joy of FORTRAN

FromLynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Date2024-09-27 09:55 -1000
SubjectRe: The joy of FORTRAN
Message-ID<87r094dg79.fsf@localhost>
In reply to#58519
Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> writes:
> As Lynne will be happy to tell you, the original IBM TCP/IP implementation
> was written in IBM Pascal for VM/CMS.

The IBM communication group was fiercely fighting off client/server and
distributed computing and trying to block mainframe TCP/IP release. When
that got overturned they changed their tactic and claimed that since
they had corporate strategic responsibility for everything that crossed
datacenter walls, it had to be release through them. What shipped got
aggregate 44kbytes/sec using nearly whole 3090 processor. It was also
made available on MVS by doing MVS VM370 "diagnose" instruction
simulation.

I then do RFC1044 implementation and in some tuning tests at Cray
Research between Cray and IBM 4341, get 4341 sustained channel
throughput using only modest amount of 4341 CPU (something like 500
times improvement in bytes moved per instruction executed).

In the 90s, the IBM communication group hires a silicon contractor to
implement tcp/ip support directly in VTAM, what he demo'ed had TCP
running much faster than LU6.2. He was then told that everybody knows
that LU6.2 is much faster than a "proper" TCP/IP implementation and they
would only be paying for a "proper" implementation.

-- 
virtualization experience starting Jan1968, online at home since Mar1970

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#58574 — Re: The joy of FORTRAN

FromLynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Date2024-09-27 11:13 -1000
SubjectRe: The joy of FORTRAN
Message-ID<878qvc3in1.fsf@localhost>
In reply to#58565
trivia: late 80s univ studying mainframe VTAM implementation LU6.2 had
160k instruction pathlength (and 15 buffer copies) compared to unix/bsd
(4.3 tahoe/reno) TCP had a 5k instruction pathlength (and 5 buffer
copies).

I was on Greg Chesson's XTP TAB and did further optimization with CRC
trailer protocol with outboard XTP LAN chip where CRC was
calculated as the packet flowed through and added/checked it in the
trailor. Also allowed for no buffer copy with scatter/gather (aka doing
packet I/O directly from user memory).

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#58453 — Re: The joy of FORTRAN

FromJohn Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com>
Date2024-09-25 08:34 -0700
SubjectRe: The joy of FORTRAN
Message-ID<20240925083451.00003205@gmail.com>
In reply to#58418
On 25 Sep 2024 04:38:54 GMT
rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
 
> That sums it up. I've heard Wirth's languages described as programs
> that are designed to tell secrets to themselves.

That's a marvelous description, although it fails to really capture the
perversity of things like array-size-as-type-distinction; when a man
introduces language features that practically every single third-party
implementor has to provide their own workaround for, you know you've
found a Truly Special Genius.

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#58455 — Re: The joy of FORTRAN

FromJohn Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com>
Date2024-09-25 09:07 -0700
SubjectRe: The joy of FORTRAN
Message-ID<20240925090729.000048a9@gmail.com>
In reply to#58453
On 25 Sep 2024 15:48:01 GMT
ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) wrote:

> Dudes, when Knuth was on the hunt for a language to whip up TeX back
> in the day, he figured Pascal was the cream of the crop among his
> options. You got to put that language in perspective and see it
> through the lens of its time!

Sorry, nope. Lots of languages from Ye Olden Dayes have their share of
jankiness, but some things are just inexcusably wretched - and treating
arrays of different sizes as distinct types is the most boneheaded,
bass-ackwards solution to the problem of bounds-checking ever devised
by Devil, God, or Man. It *A.* adds compiler complexity only to *B.*
burden the programmer with the same amount of bookkeeping required in
languages without bounds-checking, while *C.* giving *less* flexibility
in the final analysis. Truly masochistic.

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#58481 — Re: The joy of FORTRAN

FromLawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2024-09-25 21:30 +0000
SubjectRe: The joy of FORTRAN
Message-ID<vd1vdt$3r2r4$6@dont-email.me>
In reply to#58455
On Wed, 25 Sep 2024 09:07:29 -0700, John Ames wrote:

> ... treating
> arrays of different sizes as distinct types is the most boneheaded,
> bass-ackwards solution to the problem of bounds-checking ever devised by
> Devil, God, or Man.

It works fine if you have parameterized types, as in Ada. I think even 
Fortran can manage that now.

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#58471 — TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN]

FromRich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com>
Date2024-09-25 15:18 -0400
SubjectTeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN]
Message-ID<mdd4j63pmo1.fsf_-_@panix5.panix.com>
In reply to#58453
ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) writes:

> John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> wrote or quoted:
>> That's a marvelous description, although it fails to really capture the
>> perversity of things like array-size-as-type-distinction; when a man
>> introduces language features that practically every single third-party
>> implementor has to provide their own workaround for, you know you've
>> found a Truly Special Genius.

>   Dudes, when Knuth was on the hunt for a language to whip
>   up TeX back in the day, he figured Pascal was the cream of
>   the crop among his options. You got to put that language in
>   perspective and see it through the lens of its time!

Pascal was used in the rewrite (2nd version), part of his Literate Programming
thing.  The original was written in SAIL (an Algol-60 derivative created at
SAIL, the Stanford Artificial Intelligence Laboratory).  The same thing was
true of METAFONT, first version in SAIL, second in Pascal.  DEK used Pascal
because it was spreading throughout the computing world, across tons of
different architectures.  (According to DEK, in his presentation on Literate
Programming at SHARE in San Francisco.)

The thing was, neither was written in "pure Pascal", but rather in his Literate
Programming formulation in which actual Pascal code was intertwined with TeX
documentation for the program being written.  The resulting source was then run
through either of two preprocessor programs, tangle (which stripped the Tex and
wrote out a Pascal source without linebreaks or human comfortable indentation)
and weave (which made the Pascal code acceptable to a TeX processor).

Someone else very quickly created C versions of the preprocessors, and the
modern TeX world was born.

-- 
Rich Alderson					  news@alderson.users.panix.com
      Audendum est, et veritas investiganda; quam etiamsi non assequamur,
	  omnino tamen proprius, quam nunc sumus, ad eam perveniemus.
									--Galen

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#58651 — Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN]

From"186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net>
Date2024-09-29 01:44 -0400
SubjectRe: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN]
Message-ID<oJ-cnQSrLZDYdGX7nZ2dnZfqnPWdnZ2d@earthlink.com>
In reply to#58471
On 9/25/24 3:18 PM, Rich Alderson wrote:
> ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) writes:
> 
>> John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> wrote or quoted:
>>> That's a marvelous description, although it fails to really capture the
>>> perversity of things like array-size-as-type-distinction; when a man
>>> introduces language features that practically every single third-party
>>> implementor has to provide their own workaround for, you know you've
>>> found a Truly Special Genius.
> 
>>    Dudes, when Knuth was on the hunt for a language to whip
>>    up TeX back in the day, he figured Pascal was the cream of
>>    the crop among his options. You got to put that language in
>>    perspective and see it through the lens of its time!
> 
> Pascal was used in the rewrite (2nd version), part of his Literate Programming
> thing.  The original was written in SAIL (an Algol-60 derivative created at
> SAIL, the Stanford Artificial Intelligence Laboratory).  The same thing was
> true of METAFONT, first version in SAIL, second in Pascal.  DEK used Pascal
> because it was spreading throughout the computing world, across tons of
> different architectures.  (According to DEK, in his presentation on Literate
> Programming at SHARE in San Francisco.)
> 
> The thing was, neither was written in "pure Pascal", but rather in his Literate
> Programming formulation in which actual Pascal code was intertwined with TeX
> documentation for the program being written.  The resulting source was then run
> through either of two preprocessor programs, tangle (which stripped the Tex and
> wrote out a Pascal source without linebreaks or human comfortable indentation)
> and weave (which made the Pascal code acceptable to a TeX processor).
> 
> Someone else very quickly created C versions of the preprocessors, and the
> modern TeX world was born.


   PASCAL is STILL my language of choice, when possible.

   Poetry.

   I've even got early DOS and the MS/IBM multi-pass PASCAL
   compiler on a VM. I do write little things for it from
   time to time just for fun.

   FPC/Lazarus are your modern PASCAL outlets and I STILL
   write stuff for those.

   Yea, yea, SOME stuff is just better in 'C' ... one of
   my latter pre-retirement apps was mostly Laz/FPC, but
   CALLED a 'C' app for a few special needs. Now for
   like client/server stuff, 'C' is traditional and
   kinda the best.

   To each need .....

   I just can't bring myself to TRASH computer languages
   on the whole. Some are 'better', or not, but they all
   were created with various uses/theologies in mind and
   serve those quite well. The only ones I came to HATE
   were LISP/PROLOG and ADA - the latter being SO fascist
   that, well, no WONDER govt projects take 20 years ....

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