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| Started by | Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> |
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| First post | 2024-07-07 01:10 +0000 |
| Last post | 2024-07-17 23:41 +0000 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 194 — 23 participants |
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What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2024-07-07 01:10 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-07-07 02:10 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-07-07 03:40 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-07-07 04:07 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-07-07 04:41 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2024-07-07 04:10 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> - 2024-07-07 07:14 +0042
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-07-07 07:43 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> - 2024-07-07 10:10 +0042
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2024-07-07 09:30 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> - 2024-07-07 10:35 +0042
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2024-07-07 10:13 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-07-07 21:21 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-07-07 21:35 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-07-07 21:59 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-07-08 05:50 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-08 16:29 +0100
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-07-08 23:21 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Popping Mad <rainbow@colition.gov> - 2024-07-07 19:43 -0400
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-07-08 11:54 +0200
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-07-08 00:57 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-09 09:45 +0100
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-07-10 00:39 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Popping Mad <rainbow@colition.gov> - 2024-07-10 21:56 -0400
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-07-11 02:23 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2024-07-08 08:34 +1000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> - 2024-07-08 06:14 +0042
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Popping Mad <rainbow@colition.gov> - 2024-07-07 19:45 -0400
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Bobbie Sellers <blissInSanFrancisco@mouse-potato.com> - 2024-07-07 20:24 -0700
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-07-08 23:22 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> - 2024-07-09 00:42 +0042
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-07-09 05:42 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> - 2024-07-09 09:08 +0042
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-07-09 12:20 +0200
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> - 2024-07-09 11:26 +0042
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-07-10 00:40 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-07-09 01:47 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-07 11:38 +0100
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-07-07 12:56 +0200
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-07-07 13:30 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-07-07 13:50 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-07-07 18:15 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-07-07 20:50 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-07-08 13:20 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2024-07-08 10:28 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-07-08 13:20 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2024-07-10 09:31 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-07-10 13:40 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-10 22:47 +0100
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2024-07-12 11:56 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-13 18:26 +0100
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2024-07-14 07:07 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2024-07-12 11:54 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-07-13 16:00 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2024-07-14 07:16 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-07-14 16:20 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2024-07-16 11:36 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-07-16 14:40 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-07-10 22:19 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2024-07-11 00:07 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-07-13 16:00 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2024-07-08 10:25 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Fritz Wuehler <fritz@spamexpire-202407.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> - 2024-07-07 16:23 +0200
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-07-07 21:24 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Fritz Wuehler <fritz@spamexpire-202407.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> - 2024-07-08 16:49 +0200
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-07-08 23:16 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-07-09 00:38 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2024-07-08 09:18 +1000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Simon <SimonJ@eu.invalid> - 2024-07-08 13:51 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Simon <SimonJ@eu.invalid> - 2024-07-08 17:10 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-07-09 00:36 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-07-08 18:11 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2024-07-08 18:29 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-07-08 21:30 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-07-08 22:58 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) - 2024-07-08 22:26 +0100
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-07-09 00:37 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Simon <SimonJ@eu.invalid> - 2024-07-09 10:06 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-07-08 14:10 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-07-08 23:23 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-07-09 00:36 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-07-09 02:03 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-07-10 13:40 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-07-10 19:12 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-07-10 22:22 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-07-11 04:05 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-07-11 05:53 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Popping Mad <rainbow@colition.gov> - 2024-07-09 05:42 -0400
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-09 10:44 +0100
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-07-10 13:40 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-10 15:05 +0100
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-07-10 21:58 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-07-11 04:12 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-07-13 16:00 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-07-13 19:05 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-07-14 16:20 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-07-14 16:38 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-07-14 20:25 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-07-15 01:19 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-07-15 16:30 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-07-10 22:22 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-07-11 18:17 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-07-11 22:02 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? rek2 hispagatos <rek2@hispagatos.org.invalid> - 2024-07-12 13:29 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-07-13 16:00 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2024-07-14 09:20 +1000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Fritz Wuehler <fritz@spamexpire-202407.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> - 2024-07-14 01:57 +0200
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-07-14 01:30 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2024-07-14 07:09 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-07-14 16:20 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2024-07-16 11:39 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-07-14 12:10 +0200
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2024-07-12 11:50 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2024-07-10 09:25 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-10 10:32 +0100
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Bobbie Sellers <blissInSanFrancisco@mouse-potato.com> - 2024-07-10 07:59 -0700
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Popping Mad <rainbow@colition.gov> - 2024-07-10 21:59 -0400
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-07-13 16:00 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-07-14 01:34 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@usenet.mail.kapsi.fi> - 2024-07-14 19:14 +0300
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-07-14 21:19 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) - 2024-07-14 22:38 +0100
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-07-15 01:20 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) - 2024-07-15 09:21 +0100
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-07-15 21:48 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2024-07-16 11:32 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-16 21:09 +0100
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-07-16 23:40 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-17 08:13 +0100
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-07-17 07:48 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-17 09:34 +0100
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-07-17 22:03 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-18 09:04 +0100
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-07-19 00:51 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-19 09:46 +0100
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-07-19 22:50 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-07-17 22:48 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-07-17 23:31 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-07-17 23:51 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-07-18 04:09 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-07-18 05:23 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2024-07-19 09:57 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-19 12:56 +0100
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-07-19 14:50 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2024-07-20 08:24 +1000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-07-28 17:20 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-19 15:13 +0100
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-07-19 22:48 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> - 2024-07-08 00:56 +0042
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2024-07-09 09:03 +1000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-07-08 13:20 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux Jack Strangio <jackstrangio@yahoo.com> - 2024-07-17 08:48 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-07-17 15:40 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-07-17 15:59 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-07-17 22:03 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-07-17 23:22 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-07-17 23:49 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-07-18 03:56 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-07-18 05:26 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-07-18 06:28 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-07-18 07:20 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-07-18 11:30 +0200
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux Jack Strangio <jackstrangio@yahoo.com> - 2024-07-19 08:14 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> - 2024-07-17 17:26 +0042
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux Bobbie Sellers <blissInSanFrancisco@mouse-potato.com> - 2024-07-17 11:14 -0700
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-07-08 06:41 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2024-07-09 09:11 +1000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-07-08 23:18 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-07-09 00:37 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-09 09:35 +0100
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-07-10 13:40 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-07-10 22:21 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-07-13 16:00 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-07-14 01:29 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-07-14 16:20 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2024-07-10 08:44 +1000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-07-10 00:42 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2024-07-08 10:23 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-08 16:22 +0100
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@usenet.mail.kapsi.fi> - 2024-07-08 23:56 +0300
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-07-08 23:19 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-07-09 00:37 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-23 11:45 +0100
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-07-24 00:13 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-24 01:41 +0100
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-07-09 00:37 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Ben Collver <bencollver@tilde.pink> - 2024-07-12 14:22 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-13 18:21 +0100
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-07-14 01:33 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-07-14 16:20 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-07-14 21:21 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Jack Strangio <jackstrangio@yahoo.com> - 2024-07-17 07:00 +0000
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-17 19:26 +0100
Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux install? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-07-17 23:41 +0000
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| From | Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-07-14 21:19 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <v71fcn$ah31$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #56945 |
On Sun, 14 Jul 2024 19:14:17 +0300, Anssi Saari wrote: > Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> writes: > >> Doesn’t Windows still tie the shell and the terminal emulator GUI >> together, so you can’t have one without the other? > > I guess not with the new Windows Terminal. But it is fundamental in Windows, is it not, that every process has a GUI. Unless it is a “service”, which runs in the background, and is managed separately.
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| From | jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) |
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| Date | 2024-07-14 22:38 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux |
| Message-ID | <memo.20240714223824.14216Q@jgd.cix.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #56958 |
In article <v71fcn$ah31$1@dont-email.me>, ldo@nz.invalid (Lawrence D'Oliveiro) wrote: > But it is fundamental in Windows, is it not, that every process has > a GUI. Unless it is a _service_, which runs in the background, and > is managed separately. No, it is not. "Console applications" run with stdin, stdout & stderr, rather like traditional Unix programs. They can also have character graphics UIs, in terminal windows. Classic Mac OS, and iOS, have no concept of a command line, but Windows definitely has one, or several if you want. John
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| From | Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-07-15 01:20 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux |
| Message-ID | <v71tga$cpvf$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #56960 |
On Sun, 14 Jul 2024 22:38 +0100 (BST), John Dallman wrote: > In article <v71fcn$ah31$1@dont-email.me>, ldo@nz.invalid (Lawrence > D'Oliveiro) wrote: > >> But it is fundamental in Windows, is it not, that every process has a >> GUI. Unless it is a _service_, which runs in the background, and is >> managed separately. > > No, it is not. "Console applications" run with stdin, stdout & stderr, > rather like traditional Unix programs. They can also have character > graphics UIs, in terminal windows. So why do Python scripts, for example, have to come in two varieties on Windows, with different extensions “.PY” versus “.PYW”?
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| From | jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) |
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| Date | 2024-07-15 09:21 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux |
| Message-ID | <memo.20240715092122.14216R@jgd.cix.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #56963 |
In article <v71tga$cpvf$1@dont-email.me>, ldo@nz.invalid (Lawrence D'Oliveiro) wrote: > On Sun, 14 Jul 2024 22:38 +0100 (BST), John Dallman wrote: > > No, it is not. "Console applications" run with stdin, stdout & > > stderr, rather like traditional Unix programs. They can also have > > character graphics UIs, in terminal windows. > > So why do Python scripts, for example, have to come in two > varieties on Windows, with different extensions _.PY_ versus _.PYW_? Don't know, but it seems unwise to try to deduce fundamental properties of an OS from Python, a language that creates a lot of abstractions of its own and then implements them on top of different operating systems. John
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| From | Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-07-15 21:48 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux |
| Message-ID | <v745em$snp6$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #56967 |
On Mon, 15 Jul 2024 09:21 +0100 (BST), John Dallman wrote: > In article <v71tga$cpvf$1@dont-email.me>, ldo@nz.invalid (Lawrence > D'Oliveiro) wrote: > >> On Sun, 14 Jul 2024 22:38 +0100 (BST), John Dallman wrote: >> > No, it is not. "Console applications" run with stdin, stdout & >> > stderr, rather like traditional Unix programs. They can also have >> > character graphics UIs, in terminal windows. >> >> So why do Python scripts, for example, have to come in two varieties on >> Windows, with different extensions _.PY_ versus _.PYW_? > > Don't know, but it seems unwise to try to deduce fundamental properties > of an OS from Python, a language that creates a lot of abstractions of > its own and then implements them on top of different operating systems. Hint: the difference has to do with how GUIs are handled.
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| From | Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> |
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| Date | 2024-07-16 11:32 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux |
| Message-ID | <slrnv9cmi1.5oqr.rotflol2@geidiprime.bvh> |
| In reply to | #56963 |
On 2024-07-15, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: > On Sun, 14 Jul 2024 22:38 +0100 (BST), John Dallman wrote: > >> In article <v71fcn$ah31$1@dont-email.me>, ldo@nz.invalid (Lawrence >> D'Oliveiro) wrote: >> >>> But it is fundamental in Windows, is it not, that every process has a >>> GUI. Unless it is a _service_, which runs in the background, and is >>> managed separately. >> >> No, it is not. "Console applications" run with stdin, stdout & stderr, >> rather like traditional Unix programs. They can also have character >> graphics UIs, in terminal windows. > > So why do Python scripts, for example, have to come in two varieties on > Windows, with different extensions “.PY” versus “.PYW”? Windows definately does do "console" applications. What is missing, is the ability to run a console application without the GUI running itself, but the standard C "Hello world" program does run on Windows.
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| From | Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-07-16 21:09 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux |
| Message-ID | <wwvy1612j5b.fsf@LkoBDZeT.terraraq.uk> |
| In reply to | #56975 |
Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> writes: > On 2024-07-15, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >> On Sun, 14 Jul 2024 22:38 +0100 (BST), John Dallman wrote: >>> ldo@nz.invalid (Lawrence D'Oliveiro) wrote: >>>> But it is fundamental in Windows, is it not, that every process has >>>> a GUI. Unless it is a _service_, which runs in the background, and >>>> is managed separately. >>> >>> No, it is not. "Console applications" run with stdin, stdout & stderr, >>> rather like traditional Unix programs. They can also have character >>> graphics UIs, in terminal windows. >> >> So why do Python scripts, for example, have to come in two varieties on >> Windows, with different extensions “.PY” versus “.PYW”? > > Windows definately does do "console" applications. What is missing, is > the ability to run a console application without the GUI running itself, > but the standard C "Hello world" program does run on Windows I’m not sure what you mean by “the GUI running itself”. Windows executables either use the CUI (console) or GUI subsystem, and this is represented by a field in the PE file header, rather than being a behavior of the application after it starts. CUI subsystem applications always run within a console, either inherited from the parent process, or created automatically if there isn’t one to inherit. GUI subsystem applications don’t normally get one (but can create one). Presumably a GUI subsystem application doesn’t have to open any Window at all if it doesn’t want to. In Python the .py vs .pyw distinction presumably allows file associations to a CUI subsystem version of the interpreter and a GUI subsystem version of the interpreter. References: * https://devblogs.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/20090101-00/?p=19643 * https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/console/creation-of-a-console * https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/api/winnt/ns-winnt-image_optional_header32 -- https://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/
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| From | Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-07-16 23:40 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux |
| Message-ID | <v770db$1g2du$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #56979 |
On Tue, 16 Jul 2024 21:09:52 +0100, Richard Kettlewell wrote: > Windows executables either use the CUI (console) or GUI subsystem, and > this is represented by a field in the PE file header, rather than being > a behavior of the application after it starts. Which is a pretty dumb way of doing it, don’t you think? But it was all a part of the 1990s trend of building the GUI inextricably into the OS kernel. A trend which *nix-type systems never succumbed to.
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| From | Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-07-17 08:13 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux |
| Message-ID | <wwvv814cwyx.fsf@LkoBDZeT.terraraq.uk> |
| In reply to | #56981 |
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> writes: > On Tue, 16 Jul 2024 21:09:52 +0100, Richard Kettlewell wrote: >> Windows executables either use the CUI (console) or GUI subsystem, and >> this is represented by a field in the PE file header, rather than being >> a behavior of the application after it starts. > > Which is a pretty dumb way of doing it, don’t you think? It’s not necessarily how I’d have done it, but in the big picture, it doesn’t seem very different from any other way that an application declares its dependencies and the system arranges for them to be satisfied. > But it was all a part of the 1990s trend of building the GUI > inextricably into the OS kernel. A trend which *nix-type systems never > succumbed to. AFAIK the only graphical component of Windows that was ever in the kernel was GDI, which is a low-level drawing AP and isn’t relevant here. So, I don’t think it was part of such a trend, to the extent that the supposed trend ever existed in the first place. -- https://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/
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| From | Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-07-17 07:48 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux |
| Message-ID | <v77t09$1o8om$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #56984 |
On Wed, 17 Jul 2024 08:13:26 +0100, Richard Kettlewell wrote: > Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> writes: > >> On Tue, 16 Jul 2024 21:09:52 +0100, Richard Kettlewell wrote: >> >>> Windows executables either use the CUI (console) or GUI subsystem, and >>> this is represented by a field in the PE file header, rather than >>> being a behavior of the application after it starts. >> >> Which is a pretty dumb way of doing it, don’t you think? > > It’s not necessarily how I’d have done it, but in the big picture, it > doesn’t seem very different from any other way that an application > declares its dependencies and the system arranges for them to be > satisfied. It is the reason you need two different versions of the Python interpreter on Windows. Or of any other language interpreter that wants to offer the option of running with a GUI or without. >> But it was all a part of the 1990s trend of building the GUI >> inextricably into the OS kernel. A trend which *nix-type systems never >> succumbed to. > > AFAIK the only graphical component of Windows that was ever in the > kernel was GDI, which is a low-level drawing AP and isn’t relevant here. It is the reason why the use of a GUI has to be declared within the executable, before it can even start executing. So that the part of the kernel that is responsible for launching executables can decide whether to set up the process to use a GUI or not.
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| From | Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-07-17 09:34 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux |
| Message-ID | <wwvr0bsv2lb.fsf@LkoBDZeT.terraraq.uk> |
| In reply to | #56985 |
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> writes: > On Wed, 17 Jul 2024 08:13:26 +0100, Richard Kettlewell wrote: >> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> writes: >>> But it was all a part of the 1990s trend of building the GUI >>> inextricably into the OS kernel. A trend which *nix-type systems never >>> succumbed to. >> >> AFAIK the only graphical component of Windows that was ever in the >> kernel was GDI, which is a low-level drawing AP and isn’t relevant here. > > It is the reason why the use of a GUI has to be declared within the > executable, before it can even start executing. So that the part of > the kernel that is responsible for launching executables can decide > whether to set up the process to use a GUI or not. No, you have it exactly backwards. The distinction in the executable determines whether it is attached to a console (see the references posted earlier). Either type of excecutable can create GUI windows. -- https://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/
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| From | Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-07-17 22:03 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux |
| Message-ID | <v79f2j$21c61$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #56986 |
On Wed, 17 Jul 2024 09:34:40 +0100, Richard Kettlewell wrote: > Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> writes: > >> It is the reason why the use of a GUI has to be declared within the >> executable, before it can even start executing. So that the part of the >> kernel that is responsible for launching executables can decide whether >> to set up the process to use a GUI or not. > > No, you have it exactly backwards. The distinction in the executable > determines whether it is attached to a console ... You mean a GUI console? Again, this distinction does not exist on *nix systems.
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| From | Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-07-18 09:04 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux |
| Message-ID | <wwvsew7w2h2.fsf@LkoBDZeT.terraraq.uk> |
| In reply to | #56993 |
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> writes: > Richard Kettlewell wrote: >> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> writes: >>> It is the reason why the use of a GUI has to be declared within the >>> executable, before it can even start executing. So that the part of the >>> kernel that is responsible for launching executables can decide whether >>> to set up the process to use a GUI or not. >> >> No, you have it exactly backwards. The distinction in the executable >> determines whether it is attached to a console ... > > You mean a GUI console? Not necessarily. The console could be a GUI (conhost or Windows Terminal), just as in Linux the terminal implementatiom could be a GUI such as xterm but it equally could be some other process, for example an SSH Server. The executable doesn’t care either way. The real difference is that Windows executables declare a dependency on a console up front, Linux executables adapt to the situation they find themselves in. Evidently the Windows approach isn’t to your taste but it’s absolutely not the same as “every process having a GUI”. -- https://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/
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| From | Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-07-19 00:51 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux |
| Message-ID | <v7cda2$2lhqc$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #57009 |
On Thu, 18 Jul 2024 09:04:09 +0100, Richard Kettlewell wrote: > The real difference is that Windows executables declare a dependency on > a console up front, Linux executables adapt to the situation they find > themselves in. So processes may not be tied to the GUI, but the GUI is still tied into the kernel. This is why it’s not possible to have a modular, replaceable GUI, as on *nix systems.
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| From | Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-07-19 09:46 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux |
| Message-ID | <wwvfrs5ydk6.fsf@LkoBDZeT.terraraq.uk> |
| In reply to | #57012 |
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> writes: > Richard Kettlewell wrote: >> The real difference is that Windows executables declare a dependency on >> a console up front, Linux executables adapt to the situation they find >> themselves in. > > So processes may not be tied to the GUI, but the GUI is still tied > into the kernel. That conclusion doesn’t follow. AFAICT the kernel just launches something called conhost.exe, but doesn’t much care what that does. That’s a separate issue from the integration of GDI into the kernel since NT 4, which AFAIK is largely irrelevant to most modern applications anyway. Anyway, I’m now tired of fighting your confirmation bias concerning the relationship between the Windows GUI and the Windows kernel. Perhaps one day you’ll calm down and start looking at the situation as it really is, rather than reinterpreting everything to support your preconceptions. -- https://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/
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| From | Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-07-19 22:50 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux |
| Message-ID | <v7eqj1$368qv$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #57017 |
On Fri, 19 Jul 2024 09:46:17 +0100, Richard Kettlewell wrote: > Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> writes: > >> Richard Kettlewell wrote: >> >>> The real difference is that Windows executables declare a dependency >>> on a console up front, Linux executables adapt to the situation they >>> find themselves in. >> >> So processes may not be tied to the GUI, but the GUI is still tied into >> the kernel. > > That conclusion doesn’t follow. It does because of the lack of customizability of GUI options on Windows. For example, look at how Valve was able to create the Steam Deck with a GUI specifically optimized for gaming on the handheld form factor. Microsoft soon started talking about a “Windows handheld mode” to try to compete. That was two years ago. It’s still vapourware.
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| From | Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-07-17 22:48 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux |
| Message-ID | <v79ho6$21urb$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #56979 |
On Tue, 16 Jul 2024 21:09:52 +0100, Richard Kettlewell wrote: > CUI subsystem applications always run within a console, either inherited > from the parent process, or created automatically if there isn’t one to > inherit. GUI subsystem applications don’t normally get one (but can > create one). Presumably a GUI subsystem application doesn’t have to open > any Window at all if it doesn’t want to. Another weird distinction: non-console applications don’t get any standard input/output/error streams, and will abort if they try to access them <https://stackoverflow.com/questions/9705982/pythonw-exe-or-python-exe/30313091#30313091>. Again, this is a completely unnecessary distinction, that *nix systems do not insist on. Note also the additional fine-print clarifications in the above Stack Overflow item. There’s a lot of them ...
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2024-07-17 23:31 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux |
| Message-ID | <lfr2iaFt3q5U3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #56995 |
On Wed, 17 Jul 2024 22:48:39 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> Another weird distinction: non-console applications don’t get any
> standard input/output/error streams, and will abort if they try to
> access them
I can't address what goes on in pythonw but in a straight service
[DllImport("kernel32.dll")]
static extern bool AttachConsole(int dwProcessId);
private const int ATTACH_PARENT_PROCESS = -1;
static void Main()
{
string[] args = Environment.GetCommandLineArgs();
foreach (string arg in args)
{
if (arg == "-v")
{
AttachConsole(ATTACH_PARENT_PROCESS);
Console.WriteLine("{0} version {1}",
Assembly.GetExecutingAssembly().GetName().Name,
Assembly.GetExecutingAssembly().GetName().Version);
return;
}
}
works nicely if you want to print the version and exit rather than running
the service.
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| From | Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-07-17 23:51 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux |
| Message-ID | <v79lde$22itv$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #56997 |
On 17 Jul 2024 23:31:22 GMT, rbowman wrote: > AttachConsole(ATTACH_PARENT_PROCESS); And where does that go?
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2024-07-18 04:09 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux |
| Message-ID | <lfrircF11aiU3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #57000 |
On Wed, 17 Jul 2024 23:51:10 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: > On 17 Jul 2024 23:31:22 GMT, rbowman wrote: > >> AttachConsole(ATTACH_PARENT_PROCESS); > > And where does that go? To the console where you are running the program from the command line. In this case the program is a Windows Service and would typically be started from the Service Manager, automatically, or 'net start ...' and would not have access to the Windows Terminal console. No, it's not Linux. otoh with Linux you can run a program like vim from Konsole and lose that console, you can run 'vim &' to background it, then you can screw around with bg, and fg. Or with Ubuntu I can click on the Tor icon and it comes up with no console, or I can start it from Konsole and see all the logging. One way is not inherently better than the other.
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