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  WiFi enabled cable modems or WiFi routers for Linux? tinker123 <tinker123@gmail.com> - 2024-07-06 13:44 +0000
    Re: WiFi enabled cable modems or WiFi routers for Linux? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2024-07-06 14:56 +0100
    Re: WiFi enabled cable modems or WiFi routers for Linux? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-07-06 16:47 +0200
      Re: WiFi enabled cable modems or WiFi routers for Linux? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-07 11:44 +0100
        Re: WiFi enabled cable modems or WiFi routers for Linux? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-07-07 12:54 +0200
          Re: WiFi enabled cable modems or WiFi routers for Linux? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-07 12:39 +0100
            Re: WiFi enabled cable modems or WiFi routers for Linux? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-07-07 14:43 +0200
              Re: WiFi enabled cable modems or WiFi routers for Linux? Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2024-07-07 14:09 +0100
                Re: WiFi enabled cable modems or WiFi routers for Linux? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-07 14:50 +0100
                Re: WiFi enabled cable modems or WiFi routers for Linux? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-07-12 15:35 +0200
              Re: WiFi enabled cable modems or WiFi routers for Linux? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-07 14:48 +0100
                Re: WiFi enabled cable modems or WiFi routers for Linux? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-07-07 20:01 +0200
                  Re: WiFi enabled cable modems or WiFi routers for Linux? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-07 19:51 +0100
                    Re: WiFi enabled cable modems or WiFi routers for Linux? Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@usenet.mail.kapsi.fi> - 2024-07-08 15:03 +0300
                    Re: WiFi enabled cable modems or WiFi routers for Linux? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-07-08 02:52 +0200
              Re: WiFi enabled cable modems or WiFi routers for Linux? Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> - 2024-07-12 21:05 -0400
    Re: WiFi enabled cable modems or WiFi routers for Linux? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-07 11:43 +0100
      Re: WiFi enabled cable modems or WiFi routers for Linux? not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2024-07-11 09:10 +1000
    Re: WiFi enabled cable modems or WiFi routers for Linux? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2024-07-07 11:34 -0400
      Re: WiFi enabled cable modems or WiFi routers for Linux? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-07 16:44 +0100
    Re: WiFi enabled cable modems or WiFi routers for Linux? Richard <rkm@nowhere.com> - 2024-07-08 06:55 -0400
      Re: WiFi enabled cable modems or WiFi routers for Linux? Popping Mad <rainbow@colition.gov> - 2024-07-09 05:39 -0400
        Re: WiFi enabled cable modems or WiFi routers for Linux? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-09 16:00 +0100
          Re: WiFi enabled cable modems or WiFi routers for Linux? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2024-07-09 16:25 +0100
            Re: WiFi enabled cable modems or WiFi routers for Linux? Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2024-07-09 17:26 +0100
              Re: WiFi enabled cable modems or WiFi routers for Linux? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2024-07-09 17:36 +0100
              Re: WiFi enabled cable modems or WiFi routers for Linux? Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2024-07-09 21:27 +0100
            Re: WiFi enabled cable modems or WiFi routers for Linux? John-Paul Stewart <jpstewart@personalprojects.net> - 2024-07-09 12:54 -0400
    Re: WiFi enabled cable modems or WiFi routers for Linux? Jack Strangio  <jackstrangio@yahoo.com> - 2024-07-14 08:48 +0000

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#56693 — WiFi enabled cable modems or WiFi routers for Linux?

I never had a WiFi enabled cable modem or a WiFi router.

I'm guessing some configuration is involved like setting a name,
usernames, and passwords.  Which of either type of hardware is friendly
to Linux.  Actually provides configuration software that runs on Linux
or another easy means of configuring the WiFi?

In regards to a WiFi enable cable modem I was thinking of buying a
highly rated model, but from a few years ago to save a few pennies.

Any information or tips will be appreciated.

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#56695

tinker123 wrote:

> Which of either type of hardware is friendly
> to Linux.  Actually provides configuration software that runs on Linux
> or another easy means of configuring the WiFi?

None of them, but that's no problem ...

You generally configure them through a web interface, or in some cases 
through ssh/telnet command line, maybe if you try *really* hard you can 
find one to configure through SNMP.

But dedicated configuration software running on linux?  Don't waste your 
time looking.

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#56697

On 2024-07-06 15:44, tinker123 wrote:
> I never had a WiFi enabled cable modem or a WiFi router.
> 
> I'm guessing some configuration is involved like setting a name,
> usernames, and passwords.  Which of either type of hardware is friendly
> to Linux.  Actually provides configuration software that runs on Linux
> or another easy means of configuring the WiFi?
> 
> In regards to a WiFi enable cable modem I was thinking of buying a
> highly rated model, but from a few years ago to save a few pennies.
> 
> Any information or tips will be appreciated.

This hardware is normally provided, gratis, by your internet service 
provider.

-- 
Cheers,
        Carlos E.R.

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#56741

On 06/07/2024 15:47, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2024-07-06 15:44, tinker123 wrote:
>> I never had a WiFi enabled cable modem or a WiFi router.
>>
>> I'm guessing some configuration is involved like setting a name,
>> usernames, and passwords.  Which of either type of hardware is friendly
>> to Linux.  Actually provides configuration software that runs on Linux
>> or another easy means of configuring the WiFi?
>>
>> In regards to a WiFi enable cable modem I was thinking of buying a
>> highly rated model, but from a few years ago to save a few pennies.
>>
>> Any information or tips will be appreciated.
> 
> This hardware is normally provided, gratis, by your internet service 
> provider.
> 
Not mine.

-- 
“it should be clear by now to everyone that activist environmentalism 
(or environmental activism) is becoming a general ideology about humans, 
about their freedom, about the relationship between the individual and 
the state, and about the manipulation of people under the guise of a 
'noble' idea. It is not an honest pursuit of 'sustainable development,' 
a matter of elementary environmental protection, or a search for 
rational mechanisms designed to achieve a healthy environment. Yet 
things do occur that make you shake your head and remind yourself that 
you live neither in Joseph Stalin’s Communist era, nor in the Orwellian 
utopia of 1984.”

Vaclav Klaus

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#56744

On 2024-07-07 12:44, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 06/07/2024 15:47, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> On 2024-07-06 15:44, tinker123 wrote:
>>> I never had a WiFi enabled cable modem or a WiFi router.
>>>
>>> I'm guessing some configuration is involved like setting a name,
>>> usernames, and passwords.  Which of either type of hardware is friendly
>>> to Linux.  Actually provides configuration software that runs on Linux
>>> or another easy means of configuring the WiFi?
>>>
>>> In regards to a WiFi enable cable modem I was thinking of buying a
>>> highly rated model, but from a few years ago to save a few pennies.
>>>
>>> Any information or tips will be appreciated.
>>
>> This hardware is normally provided, gratis, by your internet service 
>> provider.
>>
> Not mine.

Your ISP doesn't provide the cable modem? Weird.

-- 
Cheers,
        Carlos E.R.

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#56748

On 07/07/2024 11:54, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2024-07-07 12:44, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 06/07/2024 15:47, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>> On 2024-07-06 15:44, tinker123 wrote:
>>>> I never had a WiFi enabled cable modem or a WiFi router.
>>>>
>>>> I'm guessing some configuration is involved like setting a name,
>>>> usernames, and passwords.  Which of either type of hardware is friendly
>>>> to Linux.  Actually provides configuration software that runs on Linux
>>>> or another easy means of configuring the WiFi?
>>>>
>>>> In regards to a WiFi enable cable modem I was thinking of buying a
>>>> highly rated model, but from a few years ago to save a few pennies.
>>>>
>>>> Any information or tips will be appreciated.
>>>
>>> This hardware is normally provided, gratis, by your internet service 
>>> provider.
>>>
>> Not mine.
> 
> Your ISP doesn't provide the cable modem? Weird.I think we are at cross purposes. The 'modem' which is in this case is 
fibre network termination unit  is provided but not by the ISP, but by 
the fibre supplier
A Wifi enabled Router is not supplied at all
> 
Nope. They provide *service* instead.
You can BUY an  'approved' router off them, but you don't have to.

https://www.idnet.com/broadband-hardware.php


-- 
If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will 
eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such 
time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic 
and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally 
important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for 
the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the 
truth is the greatest enemy of the State.

Joseph Goebbels

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#56749

On 2024-07-07 13:39, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 07/07/2024 11:54, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> On 2024-07-07 12:44, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 06/07/2024 15:47, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>> On 2024-07-06 15:44, tinker123 wrote:
>>>>> I never had a WiFi enabled cable modem or a WiFi router.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm guessing some configuration is involved like setting a name,
>>>>> usernames, and passwords.  Which of either type of hardware is 
>>>>> friendly
>>>>> to Linux.  Actually provides configuration software that runs on Linux
>>>>> or another easy means of configuring the WiFi?
>>>>>
>>>>> In regards to a WiFi enable cable modem I was thinking of buying a
>>>>> highly rated model, but from a few years ago to save a few pennies.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any information or tips will be appreciated.
>>>>
>>>> This hardware is normally provided, gratis, by your internet service 
>>>> provider.
>>>>
>>> Not mine.
>>
>> Your ISP doesn't provide the cable modem? Weird.I think we are at 
>> cross purposes. The 'modem' which is in this case is 
> fibre network termination unit  is provided but not by the ISP, but by 
> the fibre supplier
> A Wifi enabled Router is not supplied at all
>>
> Nope. They provide *service* instead.
> You can BUY an  'approved' router off them, but you don't have to.
> 
> https://www.idnet.com/broadband-hardware.php

Curious.

Here, they all provide a router with all the features. Well, those most 
demanded, at least.

-- 
Cheers,
        Carlos E.R.

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#56750

On 07/07/2024 13:43, Carlos E. R. wrote:

> 
> Here, they all provide a router with all the features. Well, those most 
> demanded, at least.
> 

I would be uncomfortable using an ISP controlled router, allowing the 
ISP to control the firewall/gateway into my LAN.

FWIW, I use pfSense an open source router (FreeBSD based). It offers the 
features I need and performance for fast VPN tunnels. I wouldn't like to 
change, routing/firewall are both complicated/tricky and boring. It 
would be a pain to learn something different.

For WiFi, I use 4 cheap access points, with fast roaming. I think it 
good that this is decoupled from the router, less chance of security 
mistake. Also WiFi hardware has improved rapidly, whereas my router 
hardware is 10 years old and is still perfectly fine.

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#56754

On 07/07/2024 14:09, Pancho wrote:
> On 07/07/2024 13:43, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> 
>>
>> Here, they all provide a router with all the features. Well, those 
>> most demanded, at least.
>>
> 
> I would be uncomfortable using an ISP controlled router, allowing the 
> ISP to control the firewall/gateway into my LAN.
> 
> FWIW, I use pfSense an open source router (FreeBSD based). It offers the 
> features I need and performance for fast VPN tunnels. I wouldn't like to 
> change, routing/firewall are both complicated/tricky and boring. It 
> would be a pain to learn something different.
> 
> For WiFi, I use 4 cheap access points, with fast roaming. I think it 
> good that this is decoupled from the router, less chance of security 
> mistake. Also WiFi hardware has improved rapidly, whereas my router 
> hardware is 10 years old and is still perfectly fine.

A very valid approach IMHO

I use whatever is lying around for wifi access. The office where the 
router is, is fully CAT5 enabled so  its wifi is never used



-- 
For in reason, all government without the consent of the governed is the 
very definition of slavery.

Jonathan Swift

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#56908

On 2024-07-07 15:09, Pancho wrote:
> On 07/07/2024 13:43, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> 
>>
>> Here, they all provide a router with all the features. Well, those 
>> most demanded, at least.
>>
> 
> I would be uncomfortable using an ISP controlled router, allowing the 
> ISP to control the firewall/gateway into my LAN.

They don't. I can adjust the firewall to my preferences.

Also consider that the router connects to the TV set with ISP 
programming, and to the telephone service. The router has to provide 
certain services in a certain manner so that TV and Phone works.


-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#56752

On 07/07/2024 13:43, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2024-07-07 13:39, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 07/07/2024 11:54, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>> On 2024-07-07 12:44, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>> On 06/07/2024 15:47, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-07-06 15:44, tinker123 wrote:
>>>>>> I never had a WiFi enabled cable modem or a WiFi router.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm guessing some configuration is involved like setting a name,
>>>>>> usernames, and passwords.  Which of either type of hardware is 
>>>>>> friendly
>>>>>> to Linux.  Actually provides configuration software that runs on 
>>>>>> Linux
>>>>>> or another easy means of configuring the WiFi?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In regards to a WiFi enable cable modem I was thinking of buying a
>>>>>> highly rated model, but from a few years ago to save a few pennies.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Any information or tips will be appreciated.
>>>>>
>>>>> This hardware is normally provided, gratis, by your internet 
>>>>> service provider.
>>>>>
>>>> Not mine.
>>>
>>> Your ISP doesn't provide the cable modem? Weird.I think we are at 
>>> cross purposes. The 'modem' which is in this case is 
>> fibre network termination unit  is provided but not by the ISP, but by 
>> the fibre supplier
>> A Wifi enabled Router is not supplied at all
>>>
>> Nope. They provide *service* instead.
>> You can BUY an  'approved' router off them, but you don't have to.
>>
>> https://www.idnet.com/broadband-hardware.php
> 
> Curious.
> 
> Here, they all provide a router with all the features. Well, those most 
> demanded, at least.
> 
The 'consumer' ISPs do,.

BTs standard support call is
"is the purple light blinking"
"yes"
"switch off the router and switch it on again"

Most 'technical ' people would never use BT.

IDNET have a support team that seem to actually understand broadband, 
and speak english, rather than reading from a script in Calcutta


-- 
For in reason, all government without the consent of the governed is the 
very definition of slavery.

Jonathan Swift

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#56761

On 2024-07-07 15:48, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 07/07/2024 13:43, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> On 2024-07-07 13:39, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 07/07/2024 11:54, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>> On 2024-07-07 12:44, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>> On 06/07/2024 15:47, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>>>> On 2024-07-06 15:44, tinker123 wrote:
>>>>>>> I never had a WiFi enabled cable modem or a WiFi router.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm guessing some configuration is involved like setting a name,
>>>>>>> usernames, and passwords.  Which of either type of hardware is 
>>>>>>> friendly
>>>>>>> to Linux.  Actually provides configuration software that runs on 
>>>>>>> Linux
>>>>>>> or another easy means of configuring the WiFi?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In regards to a WiFi enable cable modem I was thinking of buying a
>>>>>>> highly rated model, but from a few years ago to save a few pennies.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Any information or tips will be appreciated.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This hardware is normally provided, gratis, by your internet 
>>>>>> service provider.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Not mine.
>>>>
>>>> Your ISP doesn't provide the cable modem? Weird.I think we are at 
>>>> cross purposes. The 'modem' which is in this case is 
>>> fibre network termination unit  is provided but not by the ISP, but 
>>> by the fibre supplier
>>> A Wifi enabled Router is not supplied at all
>>>>
>>> Nope. They provide *service* instead.
>>> You can BUY an  'approved' router off them, but you don't have to.
>>>
>>> https://www.idnet.com/broadband-hardware.php
>>
>> Curious.
>>
>> Here, they all provide a router with all the features. Well, those 
>> most demanded, at least.
>>
> The 'consumer' ISPs do,.
> 
> BTs standard support call is
> "is the purple light blinking"
> "yes"
> "switch off the router and switch it on again"
> 
> Most 'technical ' people would never use BT.
> 
> IDNET have a support team that seem to actually understand broadband, 
> and speak english, rather than reading from a script in Calcutta

Technical people would get another, if there is another. The alternative 
to consumer setups that I know about are profesional setups that cater 
only to businesses of certain size. And can actually be the same 
provider through a different door.

-- 
Cheers,
        Carlos E.R.

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#56764

On 07/07/2024 19:01, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2024-07-07 15:48, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 07/07/2024 13:43, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>> On 2024-07-07 13:39, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>> On 07/07/2024 11:54, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-07-07 12:44, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>>> On 06/07/2024 15:47, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2024-07-06 15:44, tinker123 wrote:
>>>>>>>> I never had a WiFi enabled cable modem or a WiFi router.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm guessing some configuration is involved like setting a name,
>>>>>>>> usernames, and passwords.  Which of either type of hardware is 
>>>>>>>> friendly
>>>>>>>> to Linux.  Actually provides configuration software that runs on 
>>>>>>>> Linux
>>>>>>>> or another easy means of configuring the WiFi?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In regards to a WiFi enable cable modem I was thinking of buying a
>>>>>>>> highly rated model, but from a few years ago to save a few pennies.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Any information or tips will be appreciated.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This hardware is normally provided, gratis, by your internet 
>>>>>>> service provider.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not mine.
>>>>>
>>>>> Your ISP doesn't provide the cable modem? Weird.I think we are at 
>>>>> cross purposes. The 'modem' which is in this case is 
>>>> fibre network termination unit  is provided but not by the ISP, but 
>>>> by the fibre supplier
>>>> A Wifi enabled Router is not supplied at all
>>>>>
>>>> Nope. They provide *service* instead.
>>>> You can BUY an  'approved' router off them, but you don't have to.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.idnet.com/broadband-hardware.php
>>>
>>> Curious.
>>>
>>> Here, they all provide a router with all the features. Well, those 
>>> most demanded, at least.
>>>
>> The 'consumer' ISPs do,.
>>
>> BTs standard support call is
>> "is the purple light blinking"
>> "yes"
>> "switch off the router and switch it on again"
>>
>> Most 'technical ' people would never use BT.
>>
>> IDNET have a support team that seem to actually understand broadband, 
>> and speak english, rather than reading from a script in Calcutta
> 
> Technical people would get another, if there is another. The alternative 
> to consumer setups that I know about are profesional setups that cater 
> only to businesses of certain size. And can actually be the same 
> provider through a different door.

  I take it you are not in the UK?
Perhaps the way it is regulated here is better. BT openreach have a 
virtual monopoly of fibre, and twistted pair copper but they are 
required to sell to any ISP who asks them

-- 
"Nature does not give up the winter because people dislike the cold."

― Confucius

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#56794

The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> writes:

>  I take it you are not in the UK?
> Perhaps the way it is regulated here is better. BT openreach have a
> virtual monopoly of fibre, and twistted pair copper but they are 
> required to sell to any ISP who asks them

Interesting. Here in Finland copper was "socialized" like that but then
the telcos just screwed each other over when one tried to encroach on
another's turf so it didn't work much. Bureaucrats later decided the
same is not needed for fibre for some reason.

Regardless, I got fibre from a provider who called it "open" so there
are alternative ISPs to choose from. Recently some of them even got
competetitive so I switched. So I have no hardware from the ISP, just
the fibre terminal thing from the fibre provider and I connect my Debian
router to it by ethernet.

In recent years also, some big money investors have pushed fibre in
Finland so now you can get fibre for free, mostly for detached houses
since apartment buildings are mostly hooked up. Makes one wonder what
happens to the prices when those investors sell their stakes in the
fibre companies.

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#56805

On 2024-07-07 20:51, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 07/07/2024 19:01, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> On 2024-07-07 15:48, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 07/07/2024 13:43, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>> On 2024-07-07 13:39, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>> On 07/07/2024 11:54, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>>>> On 2024-07-07 12:44, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>>>> On 06/07/2024 15:47, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2024-07-06 15:44, tinker123 wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I never had a WiFi enabled cable modem or a WiFi router.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm guessing some configuration is involved like setting a name,
>>>>>>>>> usernames, and passwords.  Which of either type of hardware is 
>>>>>>>>> friendly
>>>>>>>>> to Linux.  Actually provides configuration software that runs 
>>>>>>>>> on Linux
>>>>>>>>> or another easy means of configuring the WiFi?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In regards to a WiFi enable cable modem I was thinking of buying a
>>>>>>>>> highly rated model, but from a few years ago to save a few 
>>>>>>>>> pennies.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Any information or tips will be appreciated.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This hardware is normally provided, gratis, by your internet 
>>>>>>>> service provider.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not mine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your ISP doesn't provide the cable modem? Weird.I think we are at 
>>>>>> cross purposes. The 'modem' which is in this case is 
>>>>> fibre network termination unit  is provided but not by the ISP, but 
>>>>> by the fibre supplier
>>>>> A Wifi enabled Router is not supplied at all
>>>>>>
>>>>> Nope. They provide *service* instead.
>>>>> You can BUY an  'approved' router off them, but you don't have to.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.idnet.com/broadband-hardware.php
>>>>
>>>> Curious.
>>>>
>>>> Here, they all provide a router with all the features. Well, those 
>>>> most demanded, at least.
>>>>
>>> The 'consumer' ISPs do,.
>>>
>>> BTs standard support call is
>>> "is the purple light blinking"
>>> "yes"
>>> "switch off the router and switch it on again"
>>>
>>> Most 'technical ' people would never use BT.
>>>
>>> IDNET have a support team that seem to actually understand broadband, 
>>> and speak english, rather than reading from a script in Calcutta
>>
>> Technical people would get another, if there is another. The 
>> alternative to consumer setups that I know about are profesional 
>> setups that cater only to businesses of certain size. And can actually 
>> be the same provider through a different door.
> 
>   I take it you are not in the UK?

Nope. My address says the country. :-)

> Perhaps the way it is regulated here is better. BT openreach have a 
> virtual monopoly of fibre, and twistted pair copper but they are 
> required to sell to any ISP who asks them

-- 
Cheers,
        Carlos E.R.

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#56914

"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> writes:

> On 2024-07-07 13:39, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 07/07/2024 11:54, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>> On 2024-07-07 12:44, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>> On 06/07/2024 15:47, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-07-06 15:44, tinker123 wrote:
>>>>>> I never had a WiFi enabled cable modem or a WiFi router.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm guessing some configuration is involved like setting a name,
>>>>>> usernames, and passwords.  Which of either type of hardware is
>>>>>> friendly
>>>>>> to Linux.  Actually provides configuration software that runs on Linux
>>>>>> or another easy means of configuring the WiFi?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In regards to a WiFi enable cable modem I was thinking of buying a
>>>>>> highly rated model, but from a few years ago to save a few pennies.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Any information or tips will be appreciated.
>>>>>
>>>>> This hardware is normally provided, gratis, by your internet
>>>>> service provider.
>>>>>
>>>> Not mine.
>>>
>>> Your ISP doesn't provide the cable modem? Weird.I think we are at
>>> cross purposes. The 'modem' which is in this case is 
>> fibre network termination unit  is provided but not by the ISP, but
>> by the fibre supplier
>> A Wifi enabled Router is not supplied at all
>>>
>> Nope. They provide *service* instead.
>> You can BUY an  'approved' router off them, but you don't have to.
>> https://www.idnet.com/broadband-hardware.php
>
> Curious.
>
> Here, they all provide a router with all the features. Well, those
> most demanded, at least.

My ISP does supply the cable modem at no extra charge. I don't actually
want them to supply the router. I prefer to use pfSense and have more
control over my network.

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#56739

On 06/07/2024 14:44, tinker123 wrote:
> I never had a WiFi enabled cable modem or a WiFi router.
> 
Christ on a bike

> I'm guessing some configuration is involved like setting a name,
> usernames, and passwords.  Which of either type of hardware is friendly
> to Linux.  Actually provides configuration software that runs on Linux
> or another easy means of configuring the WiFi?
> 

All of them will have a web interface as primary means of configuration 
and many will have telnet or ssh access

So none are inimitable to Linux


> In regards to a WiFi enable cable modem I was thinking of buying a
> highly rated model, but from a few years ago to save a few pennies.
> 
> Any information or tips will be appreciated.

Well I am running a superb router, which also has telephone ports for 
VOIP. Its a Draytek
Vigor2762Vac. It is DSL OR fibre/cable capable.

I also have an older Cisco SOHO style router Exellent piece of kit


Don't buy old Netgear crap

-- 
Of what good are dead warriors? … Warriors are those who desire battle 
more than peace. Those who seek battle despite peace. Those who thump 
their spears on the ground and talk of honor. Those who leap high the 
battle dance and dream of glory … The good of dead warriors, Mother, is 
that they are dead.
Sheri S Tepper: The Awakeners.

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#56894

The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> 
> Don't buy old Netgear crap

I've been using an old Netgear WiFi router for over ten years,
although with OpenWrt installed and I don't remember what the
factory firmware was like.

Though I did look at upgrading to another Netgear model once and
the OpenWrt Wiki conveniently pointed out that it had a pretty
fatal overheating problem, so it's hit and miss with them. Some
apparantly different routers share very similar internal designs
to Netgear ones too, as OpenWrt users who've pulled them apart have
discovered.

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#56756

tinker123 <tinker123@gmail.com> writes:

> I never had a WiFi enabled cable modem or a WiFi router.
>
> I'm guessing some configuration is involved like setting a name,
> usernames, and passwords.  Which of either type of hardware is friendly
> to Linux.  Actually provides configuration software that runs on Linux
> or another easy means of configuring the WiFi?
>
> In regards to a WiFi enable cable modem I was thinking of buying a
> highly rated model, but from a few years ago to save a few pennies.
>
> Any information or tips will be appreciated.

I just bought some routers so I think I have a little clue.
I owned a FIOS router.  It was no good with my new ISP (Comcast).
Comcast wants you to lease their router, I wanted none of that.
It took me a couple of tries to find a router compatible with Comcast
the local PC Richards was no good, I had to order the router online.

I ended up with Netgear equipment.  Netgear has an app you can download
to your phone.  I just accessed the router from my Linux PC using a
browser.  Every router I've had so far has a browser interface.


-- 
Dan Espen

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#56757

On 07/07/2024 16:34, Dan Espen wrote:
> tinker123 <tinker123@gmail.com> writes:
> 
>> I never had a WiFi enabled cable modem or a WiFi router.
>>
>> I'm guessing some configuration is involved like setting a name,
>> usernames, and passwords.  Which of either type of hardware is friendly
>> to Linux.  Actually provides configuration software that runs on Linux
>> or another easy means of configuring the WiFi?
>>
>> In regards to a WiFi enable cable modem I was thinking of buying a
>> highly rated model, but from a few years ago to save a few pennies.
>>
>> Any information or tips will be appreciated.
> 
> I just bought some routers so I think I have a little clue.
> I owned a FIOS router.  It was no good with my new ISP (Comcast).
> Comcast wants you to lease their router, I wanted none of that.
> It took me a couple of tries to find a router compatible with Comcast
> the local PC Richards was no good, I had to order the router online.
> 
> I ended up with Netgear equipment.  Netgear has an app you can download
> to your phone.  I just accessed the router from my Linux PC using a
> browser.  Every router I've had so far has a browser interface.
> 
> 
Hope you have better luck with that than I had. Every netgear ADSL 
router has goone weird after a thunderstorm.
At the cheap end of things I had better luck with D-LINK

-- 
"In our post-modern world, climate science is not powerful because it is 
true: it is true because it is powerful."

Lucas Bergkamp

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