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  tint2 keeps crashing candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> - 2023-11-13 13:56 -0600
    Re: tint2 keeps crashing Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2023-11-13 20:35 -0500
      Re: tint2 keeps crashing Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> - 2023-11-14 13:27 +1000
        Re: tint2 keeps crashing Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2023-11-15 05:09 +0000
          Re: tint2 keeps crashing not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2023-11-16 07:47 +1000
      Re: tint2 keeps crashing Philipp Ludwig <philipp@lenovo.lan> - 2023-11-14 08:38 +0100
        Re: tint2 keeps crashing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2023-11-14 09:42 +0000
          Re: tint2 keeps crashing Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2023-11-14 11:45 +0100
            Re: tint2 keeps crashing vamastah <szymoraw@wp.pl> - 2023-11-14 12:08 +0100
              Re: tint2 keeps crashing Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2023-11-14 12:12 +0100
                Re: tint2 keeps crashing vamastah <szymoraw@wp.pl> - 2023-11-14 12:21 +0100
                  Re: tint2 keeps crashing Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2023-11-14 17:04 +0100
                    Re: tint2 keeps crashing vamastah <szymoraw@wp.pl> - 2023-11-15 13:56 +0100
                      Re: tint2 keeps crashing Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2023-11-15 16:05 +0100
                        Re: tint2 keeps crashing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2023-11-15 15:34 +0000
                          Re: tint2 keeps crashing Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2023-11-15 16:39 +0100
                          Re: tint2 keeps crashing "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-11-15 18:29 +0100
                          Re: tint2 keeps crashing not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2023-11-16 07:34 +1000
                            Re: tint2 keeps crashing "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-11-15 22:51 +0100
                              Re: Web Forums Vs Usenet (was: tint2 keeps crashing) Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> - 2023-11-16 15:52 +1000
                                Re: Web Forums Vs Usenet "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-11-16 22:16 +0100
                                  Re: Web Forums Vs Usenet not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2023-11-18 07:52 +1000
                                    Re: Web Forums Vs Usenet Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2023-11-18 21:29 +1100
                            Re: tint2 keeps crashing Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> - 2023-11-15 13:54 -0800
                            Re: tint2 keeps crashing "Nuno Silva" <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2023-11-16 22:23 +0000
                              Re: tint2 keeps crashing "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-11-16 23:33 +0100
                              Re: tint2 keeps crashing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2023-11-17 08:26 +0000
                                Re: tint2 keeps crashing Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2023-11-17 09:38 +0100
                                  Re: tint2 keeps crashing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2023-11-17 09:54 +0000
                                    Re: tint2 keeps crashing Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2023-11-17 12:35 +0100
                                      Re: tint2 keeps crashing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2023-11-17 12:10 +0000
                                        Re: tint2 keeps crashing not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2023-11-18 07:36 +1000
                                          Re: tint2 keeps crashing "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-11-17 23:06 +0100
                                          Re: tint2 keeps crashing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2023-11-18 11:10 +0000
                                            Re: tint2 keeps crashing not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2023-11-19 07:26 +1000
                                              Re: tint2 keeps crashing "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-11-19 13:19 +0100
                                                Re: tint2 keeps crashing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2023-11-19 12:35 +0000
                                                Re: tint2 keeps crashing not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2023-11-20 06:46 +1000
                                                  Re: tint2 keeps crashing "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-11-19 21:49 +0100
                                                    Re: tint2 keeps crashing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2023-11-20 00:06 +0000
                                                      Re: tint2 keeps crashing "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-11-20 02:57 +0100
                                              Re: tint2 keeps crashing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2023-11-19 12:34 +0000
                                                Re: tint2 keeps crashing not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2023-11-20 07:06 +1000
                                Re: tint2 keeps crashing "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-11-17 13:33 +0100
                                  Re: tint2 keeps crashing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2023-11-17 13:04 +0000
                                    Re: tint2 keeps crashing Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2023-11-17 16:01 +0100
                                    Re: tint2 keeps crashing "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-11-17 16:21 +0100
                  Re: tint2 keeps crashing "Nuno Silva" <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2023-11-14 18:09 +0000
                    Quoting [Was: tint2 keeps crashing] "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-11-14 21:56 +0100
                      Re: Quoting [Was: tint2 keeps crashing] vamastah <szymoraw@wp.pl> - 2023-11-15 13:59 +0100
              Re: tint2 keeps crashing Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@usenet.mail.kapsi.fi> - 2023-11-14 16:18 +0200
              Re: tint2 keeps crashing Peter 'Shaggy' Haywood <phaywood@alphalink.com.au> - 2023-11-17 23:36 +1100
                Re: tint2 keeps crashing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2023-11-17 13:23 +0000
        Re: tint2 keeps crashing Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2023-11-14 11:45 +0100
        Re: tint2 keeps crashing Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2023-11-14 20:07 -0500
          Re: tint2 keeps crashing "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-11-15 11:05 +0100
            Re: tint2 keeps crashing Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2023-11-15 21:06 -0500
      Re: tint2 keeps crashing candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> - 2023-11-14 07:27 -0600
        Re: tint2 keeps crashing Jim Jackson <jj@franjam.org.uk> - 2023-11-14 19:58 +0000
        Re: tint2 keeps crashing "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-11-14 22:04 +0100
          Re: tint2 keeps crashing Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2023-11-14 20:13 -0500
            Re: tint2 keeps crashing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2023-11-15 11:30 +0000
              Re: tint2 keeps crashing "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-11-15 12:43 +0100
          Re: tint2 keeps crashing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2023-11-15 11:27 +0000
          Re: tint2 keeps crashing candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> - 2023-11-15 11:33 -0600
    Re: tint2 keeps crashing Philipp Ludwig <philipp@lenovo.lan> - 2023-11-14 08:36 +0100
    Re: tint2 keeps crashing "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-11-14 14:40 +0100

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#44932

On 2023-11-20 01:06, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 19/11/2023 20:49, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> 
>> Well, some sites have very active moderators that love to yield the 
>> axe :-P
>>
> Er...WIELD the axe...Shirley...¿?

Oops :-)

-- 
Cheers,
        Carlos E.R.

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#44851

On 18/11/2023 21:26, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> On 17/11/2023 21:36, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
>>> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>> On 17/11/2023 11:35, J?rg Lorenz wrote:
>>>>> On 17.11.23 10:54, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>>> On 17/11/2023 08:38, J?rg Lorenz wrote:
>>>>>>> On 17.11.23 09:26, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 16/11/2023 22:23, Nuno Silva wrote:
>>>>>>>>> How often does a webforum support threading?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> All web forums support threading.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That is not true. Most do not.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Without threading they would be useless
>>>>>
>>>>> Perhaps for *your* brainstructure but obviously not for others.
>>>>> Most forums are moderated. Subthreads with OT discussions are eliminated
>>>>> or separated.
>>>>
>>>> So they *are* threaded then?
>>>
>>> There must be a difference in definitions of "threading" going on
>>> here.
>>>
>>> While most web forums can have separate threads started by the
>>> first post, I rarely find a way to display sub-threads branching
>>> off like you can with a tree view in most news readers (and I have
>>> often looked hard just in case it's burried in the forum's
>>> options). If someone starts a discussion about tint2 on a forum and
>>> everyone starts talking about threading there instead, on web
>>> forums a person only interested in tint2 may have a very hard time
>>> working through all the OT posts in order to find out whether
>>> anyone discussed tint2 at all. On Usenet it's easy to see in a
>>> proper threaded view where the discussion branches off and skip
>>> around that.
>>>
>> Oh you mean MULTI-threading.
>> Why didn't you say?
> 
> Actually "Nuno Silva" was the one that mentioned threading as a
> missing feature from forums, see the quotes (or, for that matter,
> threading). I just interpreted it as what you call multi-threading,
> which I'm pretty sure was as intended.
> 
>> One of the *advantages* of forums is that there is no way to veer off
>> topic easily.
> 
> Do you really believe discussions don't veer way off topic all the
> time on forums? You apparantly use the Raspberry Pi Forums so I
> can't follow that.
> 
Not really. My first response to an issue I don't understand is to 
google it. That often takes me to a forum, but I am not an active member 
of any. In general that gets the answer I want, although in many cases 
it's an answer that applied to a release ten years ago and not to the 
current software and hardware.

Then I try here.

It is a different audience with a different knowledge set. Often it 
comes up trumps. Sometimes it hasn't a clue.

> Of course the discussions veer off exactly as easily on web forums,
> the only difference is that it's harder to read them when they do.
> Heavy moderation _might_ control it, but as unlike on Usenet the
> moderation usually happens after articles are posted, that requires
> moderators to jump in fast enough that things aren't already mixed
> up by the time they intervene. Anyway extra workload on moderators
> is hardly an *advantage*, and the OT discussions will always be
> attempted regardless of how poorly designed the platform is for
> displaying them.
> 
Many of those fora carry advertising to pay for moderation. You get what 
you pay for.

In any case its all just opinions and bollocks. There is no One True Way 
to run the world, just a hodgepodge of ad hoc solutions, and in general 
people who think there is, and they are its custodians, are amongst  the 
more dangerous people in the world today.

-- 
"When one man dies it's a tragedy. When thousands die it's statistics."

Josef Stalin

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#44899

The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 18/11/2023 21:26, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
>> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>> One of the *advantages* of forums is that there is no way to veer off
>>> topic easily.
>> 
>> Do you really believe discussions don't veer way off topic all the
>> time on forums? You apparantly use the Raspberry Pi Forums so I
>> can't follow that.
>> 
> Not really. My first response to an issue I don't understand is to 
> google it. That often takes me to a forum, but I am not an active member 
> of any. In general that gets the answer I want, although in many cases 
> it's an answer that applied to a release ten years ago and not to the 
> current software and hardware.

I'm often the same, but I find a result where someone asked exactly
my question, then they start talking about something else in the
third post, and then do I spend half an hour reading five pages of
posts to see whether it went back on topic? Usually I word-search
them for key phrases instead, but that isn't entirely reliable.
I might later discover a link back to that same thread which I'd
written off as useless and there was my answer all along. With RPi
stuff I've usually been looking for rather obscure info about
high-speed I/O and GPU programming, so maybe the threads I view are
a slightly different crowd.

>> Of course the discussions veer off exactly as easily on web forums,
>> the only difference is that it's harder to read them when they do.
>> Heavy moderation _might_ control it, but as unlike on Usenet the
>> moderation usually happens after articles are posted, that requires
>> moderators to jump in fast enough that things aren't already mixed
>> up by the time they intervene. Anyway extra workload on moderators
>> is hardly an *advantage*, and the OT discussions will always be
>> attempted regardless of how poorly designed the platform is for
>> displaying them.
>> 
> Many of those fora carry advertising to pay for moderation. You get what 
> you pay for.

That's a point, I usually assume they're all run by volunteers. The
RPi forums seem like they would be an exception, yet at least the
RPi engineers refer to posting there as entirely a spare-time
activity.

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#44448

On 2023-11-17 09:26, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 16/11/2023 22:23, Nuno Silva wrote:
>> On 2023-11-15, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
>>
>>> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>> On 15/11/2023 15:05, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>>>>> Usenet is from the early days of the Internet. Younger users prefer
>>>>> usually "Forums".
>>>>>
>>>> Forums are also very very good, especially where a 'picture is worth
>>>> 1000 words'.
>>>
>>> On most forum posts I read people just post image hosting links
>>> like they do on Usenet. Sometimes you see that spammers have
>>> figured out how to post visible images but the regulars haven't.
>>>
>>> One did change their platform to Discourse and start supporting
>>> image hosting, but that upgrade came with lots of Javascript
>>> (including for lazy-loading those images) that annoys me even
>>> more.
>>>
>>> Forums are bad, that's why I'm here.
>>
>> How often does a webforum support threading?
> 
> All web forums support threading.

I know one that doesn't :-p


-- 
Cheers,
        Carlos E.R.

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#44453

On 17/11/2023 12:33, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2023-11-17 09:26, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 16/11/2023 22:23, Nuno Silva wrote:
>>> On 2023-11-15, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
>>>
>>>> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> On 15/11/2023 15:05, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>>>>>> Usenet is from the early days of the Internet. Younger users prefer
>>>>>> usually "Forums".
>>>>>>
>>>>> Forums are also very very good, especially where a 'picture is worth
>>>>> 1000 words'.
>>>>
>>>> On most forum posts I read people just post image hosting links
>>>> like they do on Usenet. Sometimes you see that spammers have
>>>> figured out how to post visible images but the regulars haven't.
>>>>
>>>> One did change their platform to Discourse and start supporting
>>>> image hosting, but that upgrade came with lots of Javascript
>>>> (including for lazy-loading those images) that annoys me even
>>>> more.
>>>>
>>>> Forums are bad, that's why I'm here.
>>>
>>> How often does a webforum support threading?
>>
>> All web forums support threading.
> 
> I know one that doesn't :-p
> 
> 
I am surprised. I have never found one.

-- 
     “I know that most men, including those at ease with problems of the 
greatest complexity, can seldom accept even the simplest and most 
obvious truth if it be such as would oblige them to admit the falsity of 
conclusions which they have delighted in explaining to colleagues, which 
they have proudly taught to others, and which they have woven, thread by 
thread, into the fabric of their lives.”

     ― Leo Tolstoy

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#44466

On 17.11.23 14:04, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 17/11/2023 12:33, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> On 2023-11-17 09:26, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 16/11/2023 22:23, Nuno Silva wrote:
>>>> On 2023-11-15, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>> On 15/11/2023 15:05, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>>>>>>> Usenet is from the early days of the Internet. Younger users prefer
>>>>>>> usually "Forums".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Forums are also very very good, especially where a 'picture is worth
>>>>>> 1000 words'.
>>>>>
>>>>> On most forum posts I read people just post image hosting links
>>>>> like they do on Usenet. Sometimes you see that spammers have
>>>>> figured out how to post visible images but the regulars haven't.
>>>>>
>>>>> One did change their platform to Discourse and start supporting
>>>>> image hosting, but that upgrade came with lots of Javascript
>>>>> (including for lazy-loading those images) that annoys me even
>>>>> more.
>>>>>
>>>>> Forums are bad, that's why I'm here.
>>>>
>>>> How often does a webforum support threading?
>>>
>>> All web forums support threading.
>>
>> I know one that doesn't :-p
>>
>>
> I am surprised. I have never found one.

Wisenheimers and laughing stocks with fake addresses belong in my killfile.

-- 
"Gutta cavat lapidem." (Ovid)

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#44474

On 2023-11-17 14:04, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 17/11/2023 12:33, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> On 2023-11-17 09:26, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 16/11/2023 22:23, Nuno Silva wrote:
>>>> On 2023-11-15, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>> On 15/11/2023 15:05, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>>>>>>> Usenet is from the early days of the Internet. Younger users prefer
>>>>>>> usually "Forums".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Forums are also very very good, especially where a 'picture is worth
>>>>>> 1000 words'.
>>>>>
>>>>> On most forum posts I read people just post image hosting links
>>>>> like they do on Usenet. Sometimes you see that spammers have
>>>>> figured out how to post visible images but the regulars haven't.
>>>>>
>>>>> One did change their platform to Discourse and start supporting
>>>>> image hosting, but that upgrade came with lots of Javascript
>>>>> (including for lazy-loading those images) that annoys me even
>>>>> more.
>>>>>
>>>>> Forums are bad, that's why I'm here.
>>>>
>>>> How often does a webforum support threading?
>>>
>>> All web forums support threading.
>>
>> I know one that doesn't :-p
>>
>>
> I am surprised. I have never found one.

It is the support forum for Telefónica, my ISP. Posts are simply sorted 
by date. This is the mode preferred by forum natives.

When I tried threaded view on other forums, it was impossible to keep 
track of new or unread posts.

-- 
Cheers,
        Carlos E.R.

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#43717

On 2023-11-14, vamastah wrote:

> On Tue, 14 Nov 2023 12:12:07 +0100
> Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:
>
>> On 14.11.23 12:08, vamastah wrote:
>> > btw, is it better to quote the original message or not? im quite
>> > confused when i read netiequette and see the actual customs.  
>> 
>> Is a question of politeness und helps in really busy threads.
>> Regulars do.
>> 
>
> well, i find it superfluous and sometimes even messy but let it be
> *eot*
>

I've quoted. In this case, the relevant context is the whole text of the
post I'm replying to. A question is whether the following would be
sufficient for you to understand the quoted post, especially if it were
not your own:

On 2023-11-14, vamastah wrote:

> well, i find it superfluous and sometimes even messy but let it be
> *eot*

In this case, just this does not identify what is it that you find
superfluous and possibly messy.

Now, as I think others are already mentioning, there's a difference
between quoting everything and narrowing it down to what is
relevant. Perhaps (in the first block of quoted text above) I could have
removed Joerg's reply, but it looked to me that it helped put your
latest reply in context. I personally usually put "[...]" when I narrow
down by removing lines in the middle, but that's up to you: I've seen
"<snip/>" used too, and there will surely be other examples. (I mean
doing something like:

On 2023-11-14, vamastah wrote:

>> On 14.11.23 12:08, vamastah wrote:
>> > btw, is it better to quote the original message or not? im quite
>> > confused when i read netiequette and see the actual customs.  
[...]
> well, i find it superfluous and sometimes even messy but let it be
> *eot*

)

(If you find it superfluous, you could try looking at news clients or
extensions for news clients that offer the ability to collapse quoted
text by default. It's possible such a feature will have issues in corner
cases, or with less usual quoting indicators, but should work well
enough most of the time? (But I don't use a feature like that myself,
hopefully someone else will be able to give you more or better advice on
this topic.))

-- 
Nuno Silva

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#43730 — Quoting [Was: tint2 keeps crashing]

On 2023-11-14 19:09, Nuno Silva wrote:
> On 2023-11-14, vamastah wrote:
>> On Tue, 14 Nov 2023 12:12:07 +0100
>> Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:

...

> Now, as I think others are already mentioning, there's a difference
> between quoting everything and narrowing it down to what is
> relevant. Perhaps (in the first block of quoted text above) I could have
> removed Joerg's reply, but it looked to me that it helped put your
> latest reply in context. I personally usually put "[...]" when I narrow
> down by removing lines in the middle, but that's up to you: I've seen
> "<snip/>" used too, and there will surely be other examples. (I mean
> doing something like:
> 
> On 2023-11-14, vamastah wrote:
> 
>>> On 14.11.23 12:08, vamastah wrote:
>>>> btw, is it better to quote the original message or not? im quite
>>>> confused when i read netiequette and see the actual customs.
> [...]
>> well, i find it superfluous and sometimes even messy but let it be
>> *eot*
> 
> )
> 
> (If you find it superfluous, you could try looking at news clients or
> extensions for news clients that offer the ability to collapse quoted
> text by default. It's possible such a feature will have issues in corner
> cases, or with less usual quoting indicators, but should work well
> enough most of the time? (But I don't use a feature like that myself,
> hopefully someone else will be able to give you more or better advice on
> this topic.))

I would advise against collapsing quotes by default, unless you find an 
IA for doing it. Yes, the quoted part can be overly too large often, but 
hiding it all removes the entire context for the answer and may lead the 
reader to understand it wrongly. I have seen it happen.

-- 
Cheers,
        Carlos E.R.

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#43906 — Re: Quoting [Was: tint2 keeps crashing]

On Tue, 14 Nov 2023 21:56:07 +0100
"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

> On 2023-11-14 19:09, Nuno Silva wrote:
> > On 2023-11-14, vamastah wrote:  
> >> On Tue, 14 Nov 2023 12:12:07 +0100
> >> Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:  
> 
> ...
> 
> > Now, as I think others are already mentioning, there's a difference
> > between quoting everything and narrowing it down to what is
> > relevant. Perhaps (in the first block of quoted text above) I could
> > have removed Joerg's reply, but it looked to me that it helped put
> > your latest reply in context. I personally usually put "[...]" when
> > I narrow down by removing lines in the middle, but that's up to
> > you: I've seen "<snip/>" used too, and there will surely be other
> > examples. (I mean doing something like:
> > 
> > On 2023-11-14, vamastah wrote:
> >   
> >>> On 14.11.23 12:08, vamastah wrote:  
> >>>> btw, is it better to quote the original message or not? im quite
> >>>> confused when i read netiequette and see the actual customs.  
> > [...]  
> >> well, i find it superfluous and sometimes even messy but let it be
> >> *eot*  
> > 
> > )
> > 
> > (If you find it superfluous, you could try looking at news clients
> > or extensions for news clients that offer the ability to collapse
> > quoted text by default. It's possible such a feature will have
> > issues in corner cases, or with less usual quoting indicators, but
> > should work well enough most of the time? (But I don't use a
> > feature like that myself, hopefully someone else will be able to
> > give you more or better advice on this topic.))  
> 
> I would advise against collapsing quotes by default, unless you find
> an IA for doing it. Yes, the quoted part can be overly too large
> often, but hiding it all removes the entire context for the answer
> and may lead the reader to understand it wrongly. I have seen it
> happen.
> 

thank you for all the suggestions :)

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#43675

vamastah <szymoraw@wp.pl> writes:

> btw, is it better to quote the original message or not? im quite
> confused when i read netiequette and see the actual customs.

Proper quoting to me means quoting the relevant part that you're
commenting on.

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#44455

Groovy hepcat vamastah was jivin' in comp.os.linux.misc on Tue, 14 Nov
2023 10:08 pm. It's a cool scene! Dig it.

> btw, is it better to quote the original message or not? im quite
> confused when i read netiequette and see the actual customs.

  Quoting can help people understand what you're talking about. Threads
aren't always so clearly defined. For example, sometimes due to
glitches or whatever, news posts go missing or wind up in the wrong
order. And someone may miss the post you're responding to if the person
who sent it is in the reader's killfile. Then that person won't know
what you're refering to.
  And even when it's clear what you're following up to, the exact
context of the reply may be unclear.
  Posting without quoting, especially in a long or complex thread, can
lead to misunderstanding. But posting your comments after those to
which they apply will usually aid understanding, even if the original
post is MIA.
  Also, if you have multiple points to make in response to multiple
points in the quoted text, then separate the quoted text into smaller
portions based on those points, and follow each with your relevant
comments.
  Of course, there is such a thing as too much. So if the quoted text is
long or mostly irrelevant, cut out the cruft to make things clearer and
easier to read. It is also a good idea sometimes to include an
indication that you've done so, usually by putting the word "Snip" in
square brackets in place of the removed text. This is a common Usenet
idiom.

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#44456

On 17/11/2023 12:36, Peter 'Shaggy' Haywood wrote:
> So if the quoted text is
> long or mostly irrelevant, cut out the cruft to make things clearer and
> easier to read.
Exactly ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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look exactly the same afterwards."

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#43620

On 14.11.23 08:38, Philipp Ludwig wrote:
> How about you keep your flaming to yourself if you can’t
> even invest 30 seconds into researching what tint2 is?
> It is actually widely used together with e.g. openbox.

*LOL*. Bullshit!

FUP2 ignored

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#43760

On Tue, 14 Nov 2023 08:38:04 +0100, Philipp Ludwig wrote:
>
> How about you keep your flaming to yourself if you can’t
> even invest 30 seconds into researching what tint2 is?
> It is actually widely used together with e.g. openbox.

Where have I flamed?

Not using the manager he used I did a quick look what it could be (the OT
should mention it).

Using Linux since a quarter of a century this year I never heard about
tint2. I doubt many others. But I guessed correctly that it was for a(ny)
window manager. Openbox seems to just be an example.

<https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/tint2>

|   tint2 is a simple, unobtrusive and light panel for Xorg. It can be
|   configured to include a system tray, a task list, a battery monitor
|   and more. Its look is configurable and it only has few dependencies,
|   making it ideal for window managers like Openbox, that do not come
|   with a panel.                       ^^^^

Now here's a flame. You should mention F'up2 poster if you set it. Thus I
ignored it. Also did you not quote. Learn to post, newbie!
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#43874

On 2023-11-15 02:07, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Nov 2023 08:38:04 +0100, Philipp Ludwig wrote:
>>
>> How about you keep your flaming to yourself if you can’t
>> even invest 30 seconds into researching what tint2 is?
>> It is actually widely used together with e.g. openbox.
> 
> Where have I flamed?

I didn't see any flames in your post.

> 
> Not using the manager he used I did a quick look what it could be (the OT
> should mention it).
> 
> Using Linux since a quarter of a century this year I never heard about
> tint2. I doubt many others. But I guessed correctly that it was for a(ny)
> window manager. Openbox seems to just be an example.
> 
> <https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/tint2>
> 
> |   tint2 is a simple, unobtrusive and light panel for Xorg. It can be
> |   configured to include a system tray, a task list, a battery monitor
> |   and more. Its look is configurable and it only has few dependencies,
> |   making it ideal for window managers like Openbox, that do not come
> |   with a panel.                       ^^^^
> 
> Now here's a flame. You should mention F'up2 poster if you set it. Thus I
> ignored it. Also did you not quote. Learn to post, newbie!

Followup-To: poster

Thunderbird replaces "poster" with the address in "From". Maybe Emacs is 
missing a feature :-p


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#44027

On Wed, 15 Nov 2023 11:05:42 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>
> On 2023-11-15 02:07, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
>
>> Now here's a flame. You should mention F'up2 poster if you set
>> it. Thus I
>> ignored it. Also did you not quote. Learn to post, newbie!
>
> Followup-To: poster
>
> Thunderbird replaces "poster" with the address in "From". Maybe Emacs
> is missing a feature :-p

Gnus (running on Emacs) is warning.

But many readers do not, although abiding it. Then people wonder where
their posting ended up. Thus one should always mention a "F'up2 poster".
-- 
Andreas

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#43660

On 11/13/23 19:35, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
> On Mon, 13 Nov 2023 13:56:21 -0600, candycanearter07 wrote:
>>
>> for some reason, tint2 keeps crashing at random. The only thing that
>> seems to consistently crash it is by disconnecting a Bluetooth
>> device. Checking coredumpctl, it says there is a SIGSEGV error. Any
>> ideas how to fix it or a suggestion for a better taskbar? (no polybar)
> 
> You could had explained what tint2 is, as I doubt it's commonly used. A
> search engine told me that it's a panel add-on for window managers,
> providing icons for connected devices and others.

Sorry

> Can't other desktop manager's panels substitute functions tint2 comes with?

I'm going to try xfce4-panel, as per Philipp's suggestion. For some 
reason, trying to reply to their message spits an error?
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#43726

On 2023-11-14, candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote:
> On 11/13/23 19:35, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
>> On Mon, 13 Nov 2023 13:56:21 -0600, candycanearter07 wrote:
>>>
>>> for some reason, tint2 keeps crashing at random. The only thing that
>>> seems to consistently crash it is by disconnecting a Bluetooth
>>> device. Checking coredumpctl, it says there is a SIGSEGV error. Any
>>> ideas how to fix it or a suggestion for a better taskbar? (no polybar)
>> 
>> You could had explained what tint2 is, as I doubt it's commonly used. A
>> search engine told me that it's a panel add-on for window managers,
>> providing icons for connected devices and others.
>
> Sorry
>
>> Can't other desktop manager's panels substitute functions tint2 comes with?
>
> I'm going to try xfce4-panel, as per Philipp's suggestion. For some 
> reason, trying to reply to their message spits an error?

I use openbox with lxpanel

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#43731

On 2023-11-14 14:27, candycanearter07 wrote:
> On 11/13/23 19:35, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
>> On Mon, 13 Nov 2023 13:56:21 -0600, candycanearter07 wrote:


> 
>> Can't other desktop manager's panels substitute functions tint2 comes 
>> with?

What are those functions?

That way we might offer better help.

> 
> I'm going to try xfce4-panel, as per Philipp's suggestion. For some 
> reason, trying to reply to their message spits an error?

Ah, I see that. The message says:

   Alert

   The author of this message has requested that responses be
   sent only to the author. If you also want to reply to the
   newsgroup, add a new row to the addressing area, choose
   Newsgroup from the recipients list, and enter the name
   of the newsgroup.

This is because he has this header:

   Followup-To: poster

I find this request ridiculous, and would click "ok", remove his 
address, and write the names of the newsgroups manually (you can copy 
paste them).

It is in any case impossibly to honour his request, as most posters here 
are using faked email addresses on Usenet (including you and me).


-- 
Cheers,
        Carlos E.R.

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