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Software to read old DDSx tapes

Started by"Percival P. Cassidy" <Nobody@NotMyISP.net>
First post2018-08-28 12:48 -0400
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  Software to read old DDSx tapes "Percival P. Cassidy" <Nobody@NotMyISP.net> - 2018-08-28 12:48 -0400
    Re: Software to read old DDSx tapes Jean-David Beyer <jeandavid8@verizon.net> - 2018-08-28 13:15 -0400
      Re: Software to read old DDSx tapes "Percival P. Cassidy" <Nobody@NotMyISP.net> - 2018-08-28 14:10 -0400
        Re: Software to read old DDSx tapes Jean-David Beyer <jeandavid8@verizon.net> - 2018-08-28 14:37 -0400
          Re: Software to read old DDSx tapes "Percival P. Cassidy" <Nobody@NotMyISP.net> - 2018-08-28 18:20 -0400
          Re: Software to read old DDSx tapes pedro1492@lycos.com - 2018-08-30 03:59 -0700
        Re: Software to read old DDSx tapes Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2018-08-29 01:07 +0000
          Re: Software to read old DDSx tapes "Percival P. Cassidy" <Nobody@NotMyISP.net> - 2018-08-29 15:46 -0400
    Re: Software to read old DDSx tapes The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2018-08-28 18:34 +0100
    Re: Software to read old DDSx tapes Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2018-08-28 14:46 -0400

#24345 — Software to read old DDSx tapes

From"Percival P. Cassidy" <Nobody@NotMyISP.net>
Date2018-08-28 12:48 -0400
SubjectSoftware to read old DDSx tapes
Message-ID<fulcmgFol5iU1@mid.individual.net>
I have a bunch of DDS2, DDS3, and DDS4 backup tapes in Microsoft format. 
Is there Linux software (preferably free) that will read these tapes?

Perce

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#24346

FromJean-David Beyer <jeandavid8@verizon.net>
Date2018-08-28 13:15 -0400
Message-ID<pm3vus0gjn@news1.newsguy.com>
In reply to#24345
On 08/28/2018 12:48 PM, Percival P. Cassidy wrote:
> I have a bunch of DDS2, DDS3, and DDS4 backup tapes in Microsoft format.
> Is there Linux software (preferably free) that will read these tapes?
> 
> Perce

What is "Microsoft format"? They have had various backup programs in the
past, and still do, but XP was the last one I know that recognized tape
drives as output devices. I know Windows 7 will not.

Cpio can copy stuff. Comes with all Linux distributions. Of course, it
assumes it was written with cpio.

Part of the manual page:

In  copy-in  mode,  cpio  copies  files  out of an archive or lists the
       archive contents.  It reads the archive from the standard  input.
  Any
       non-option  command  line  arguments  are shell globbing
patterns; only
       files in the archive whose names match one or more  of  those
patterns
       are  copied from the archive.  Unlike in the shell, an initial
‘.’ in a
       filename does match a wildcard at the start of a pattern, and a
‘/’  in
       a  filename  can  match wildcards.  If no patterns are given, all
files
       are extracted.  see “Options”.


Another possibility is dd, but you probably will not like it.


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#24348

From"Percival P. Cassidy" <Nobody@NotMyISP.net>
Date2018-08-28 14:10 -0400
Message-ID<fulhgkFpecuU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#24346
On 8/28/18 1:15 PM, Jean-David Beyer wrote:
> On 08/28/2018 12:48 PM, Percival P. Cassidy wrote:
>> I have a bunch of DDS2, DDS3, and DDS4 backup tapes in Microsoft format.
>> Is there Linux software (preferably free) that will read these tapes?
>>
>> Perce
> 
> What is "Microsoft format"? They have had various backup programs in the
> past, and still do, but XP was the last one I know that recognized tape
> drives as output devices. I know Windows 7 will not.
> 
> Cpio can copy stuff. Comes with all Linux distributions. Of course, it
> assumes it was written with cpio.
> 
> Part of the manual page:
> 
> In  copy-in  mode,  cpio  copies  files  out of an archive or lists the
>         archive contents.  It reads the archive from the standard  input.
>    Any
>         non-option  command  line  arguments  are shell globbing
> patterns; only
>         files in the archive whose names match one or more  of  those
> patterns
>         are  copied from the archive.  Unlike in the shell, an initial
> ‘.’ in a
>         filename does match a wildcard at the start of a pattern, and a
> ‘/’  in
>         a  filename  can  match wildcards.  If no patterns are given, all
> files
>         are extracted.  see “Options”.
> 
> 
> Another possibility is dd, but you probably will not like it.

Re: "Microsoft Format." The developer of the software that wrote these 
tapes originally used a format of its own, but then with a later version 
of the software said it was switching to Microsoft Tape Format":

 > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Tape_Format

There is a link there to a Seagate .pdf describing that format.

Perce

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#24349

FromJean-David Beyer <jeandavid8@verizon.net>
Date2018-08-28 14:37 -0400
Message-ID<pm44ou0iij@news1.newsguy.com>
In reply to#24348
On 08/28/2018 02:10 PM, Percival P. Cassidy wrote:
> On 8/28/18 1:15 PM, Jean-David Beyer wrote:
>> On 08/28/2018 12:48 PM, Percival P. Cassidy wrote:
>>> I have a bunch of DDS2, DDS3, and DDS4 backup tapes in Microsoft format.
>>> Is there Linux software (preferably free) that will read these tapes?
>>>
>>> Perce
>>
>> What is "Microsoft format"? They have had various backup programs in the
>> past, and still do, but XP was the last one I know that recognized tape
>> drives as output devices. I know Windows 7 will not.
>>
>> Cpio can copy stuff. Comes with all Linux distributions. Of course, it
>> assumes it was written with cpio.
>>
>> Part of the manual page:
>>
>> In  copy-in  mode,  cpio  copies  files  out of an archive or lists the
>>         archive contents.  It reads the archive from the standard  input.
>>    Any
>>         non-option  command  line  arguments  are shell globbing
>> patterns; only
>>         files in the archive whose names match one or more  of  those
>> patterns
>>         are  copied from the archive.  Unlike in the shell, an initial
>> ‘.’ in a
>>         filename does match a wildcard at the start of a pattern, and a
>> ‘/’  in
>>         a  filename  can  match wildcards.  If no patterns are given, all
>> files
>>         are extracted.  see “Options”.
>>
>>
>> Another possibility is dd, but you probably will not like it.
> 
> Re: "Microsoft Format." The developer of the software that wrote these
> tapes originally used a format of its own, but then with a later version
> of the software said it was switching to Microsoft Tape Format":
> 
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Tape_Format
> 
> There is a link there to a Seagate .pdf describing that format.
> 
> Perce
> 
Gawd!

If you are lucky, you do not have a tape drive that takes those tapes.
I have two VXA-2 tape drives and they surely will not take your tapes. A
couple of decades ago, I had an HP tape drive that took them, but it was
so lousy, that I had it replaced twice under warranty before I gave up
on them altogether. The VXA drives have never been a problem, but you
cannot get them any more. They were originally made by Ecrix. Then
Exabyte, then Tandberg. I do not think Tandberg wanted them.


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#24351

From"Percival P. Cassidy" <Nobody@NotMyISP.net>
Date2018-08-28 18:20 -0400
Message-ID<fum058FrqddU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#24349
On 8/28/18 2:37 PM, Jean-David Beyer wrote:

>>>> I have a bunch of DDS2, DDS3, and DDS4 backup tapes in Microsoft format.
>>>> Is there Linux software (preferably free) that will read these tapes?
>>>>
>>>> Perce
>>>
>>> What is "Microsoft format"? They have had various backup programs in the
>>> past, and still do, but XP was the last one I know that recognized tape
>>> drives as output devices. I know Windows 7 will not.
>>>
>>> Cpio can copy stuff. Comes with all Linux distributions. Of course, it
>>> assumes it was written with cpio.
>>>
>>> Part of the manual page:
>>>
>>> In  copy-in  mode,  cpio  copies  files  out of an archive or lists the
>>>          archive contents.  It reads the archive from the standard  input.
>>>     Any
>>>          non-option  command  line  arguments  are shell globbing
>>> patterns; only
>>>          files in the archive whose names match one or more  of  those
>>> patterns
>>>          are  copied from the archive.  Unlike in the shell, an initial
>>> ‘.’ in a
>>>          filename does match a wildcard at the start of a pattern, and a
>>> ‘/’  in
>>>          a  filename  can  match wildcards.  If no patterns are given, all
>>> files
>>>          are extracted.  see “Options”.
>>>
>>>
>>> Another possibility is dd, but you probably will not like it.
>>
>> Re: "Microsoft Format." The developer of the software that wrote these
>> tapes originally used a format of its own, but then with a later version
>> of the software said it was switching to Microsoft Tape Format":
>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Tape_Format
>>
>> There is a link there to a Seagate .pdf describing that format.
>>
>> Perce
>>
> Gawd!
> 
> If you are lucky, you do not have a tape drive that takes those tapes.
> I have two VXA-2 tape drives and they surely will not take your tapes. A
> couple of decades ago, I had an HP tape drive that took them, but it was
> so lousy, that I had it replaced twice under warranty before I gave up
> on them altogether. The VXA drives have never been a problem, but you
> cannot get them any more. They were originally made by Ecrix. Then
> Exabyte, then Tandberg. I do not think Tandberg wanted them.

I still have at least one Dell (re-branded Sony) 8-tape DDS4 autochanger.

Perce

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#24369

Frompedro1492@lycos.com
Date2018-08-30 03:59 -0700
Message-ID<4d3322fe-d91e-4727-a869-2016ae9c20d9@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#24349
On Wednesday, August 29, 2018 at 2:38:14 AM UTC+8, Jean-David Beyer wrote:
> 
> If you are lucky, you do not have a tape drive that takes those tapes.
> I have two VXA-2 tape drives and they surely will not take your tapes. A
> couple of decades ago, I had an HP tape drive that took them, but it was
> so lousy, that I had it replaced twice under warranty before I gave up
> on them altogether. The VXA drives have never been a problem, but you
> cannot get them any more. They were originally made by Ecrix. Then
> Exabyte, then Tandberg. I do not think Tandberg wanted them.
> 

I have a DAT72 drive that will read DDS4 and DDS3. Might be pushing your luck
with DDS2. I have bought a number of used tape drives from online auction
sites.  Usually the seller says some crap like "pulled from a working
datacentre, it powers up , but have no cartridge to test further...."
When I got it, the cleaning light is flashing.

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#24353

FromRich <rich@example.invalid>
Date2018-08-29 01:07 +0000
Message-ID<pm4rk1$e0q$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#24348
Percival P. Cassidy <Nobody@notmyisp.net> wrote:
> Re: "Microsoft Format." The developer of the software that wrote
> these tapes originally used a format of its own, but then with a
> later version of the software said it was switching to Microsoft Tape
> Format":
> 
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Tape_Format
> 
> There is a link there to a Seagate .pdf describing that format.

How did you miss the second paragraph of that wikipedia page?

The one that states:

   Several open source utilities have been written to read MTF on
   non-Windows platforms.[1][2][3]

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#24360

From"Percival P. Cassidy" <Nobody@NotMyISP.net>
Date2018-08-29 15:46 -0400
Message-ID<fuobgqFriblU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#24353
On 8/28/18 9:07 PM, Rich wrote:

>> Re: "Microsoft Format." The developer of the software that wrote
>> these tapes originally used a format of its own, but then with a
>> later version of the software said it was switching to Microsoft Tape
>> Format":
>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Tape_Format
>>
>> There is a link there to a Seagate .pdf describing that format.
> 
> How did you miss the second paragraph of that wikipedia page?
> 
> The one that states:
> 
>     Several open source utilities have been written to read MTF on
>     non-Windows platforms.[1][2][3]

I didn't find (didn't even look for) that Wikipedia page until I 
realized that people did not know what "Microsoft (Tape) format" was.

Perce

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#24347

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2018-08-28 18:34 +0100
Message-ID<pm412c$dvk$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#24345
On 28/08/18 17:48, Percival P. Cassidy wrote:
> I have a bunch of DDS2, DDS3, and DDS4 backup tapes in Microsoft format. 
> Is there Linux software (preferably free) that will read these tapes?
> 
> Perce

Reda them - well thats a hardware issue.

You can at leasts DD them off the tapes and onto the hard drives or a 
pen drive which is the first step.

"Microsoft Format" doesn't mean a lot to me in tape talk town

This may help
http://laytongraphics.com/mtf/

and

https://github.com/KyleBruene/mtf



-- 
Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's 
too dark to read.

Groucho Marx

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#24350

FromAndreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net>
Date2018-08-28 14:46 -0400
Message-ID<8736uycos5.fsf@usenet.ankman.de>
In reply to#24345
On Tue, 28 Aug 2018 12:48:12 -0400, Percival P. Cassidy wrote:
>
> I have a bunch of DDS2, DDS3, and DDS4 backup tapes in Microsoft
> format. Is there Linux software (preferably free) that will read these
> tapes?

On what media do they come? Do you have a "tape reader"?

If as image and cannot find any Linux solution you can emulated Windows
or other system which used them.
-- 
Andreas

My random thoughts and comments
https://news-commentaries.blogspot.com/

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