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Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure

Started by"anon" <anon@anon.com>
First post2019-08-29 08:34 -0500
Last post2019-09-17 01:25 +0000
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  Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure "anon" <anon@anon.com> - 2019-08-29 08:34 -0500
    Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-08-29 10:13 -0700
    Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-08-29 12:40 -0500
      Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2019-08-29 14:04 -0400
        Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-08-29 15:41 -0500
          Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2019-08-29 22:34 +0000
          Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2019-08-30 08:05 +0100
            Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Rabid Robot <rabid@rob.ot> - 2019-08-30 10:05 -0400
            Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Johann Beretta <beretta@nun-ya-bizness.com> - 2019-09-15 15:04 -0700
              Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure AnonLinuxUser <Anon@Linuxusers.net> - 2019-09-15 16:20 -0600
                Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2019-09-15 18:26 -0400
                Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-09-15 22:39 -0500
                  Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-09-15 22:43 -0500
                  Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2019-09-16 08:26 -0500
                  Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure AnonLinuxUser <Anon@Linuxusers.net> - 2019-09-16 08:52 -0600
                    Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-09-16 11:28 -0500
                      Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2019-09-16 17:32 +0100
                      Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure AnonLinuxUser <Anon@Linuxusers.net> - 2019-09-16 11:10 -0600
                        Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure William Poaster <wp@dev.null> - 2019-09-19 15:26 +0100
                          Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure AnonLinuxUser <Anon@Linuxusers.net> - 2019-09-19 08:29 -0600
                    Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2019-09-17 05:05 +0000
                      Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure AnonLinuxUser <Anon@Linuxusers.net> - 2019-09-17 12:48 -0600
                        Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2019-09-19 10:35 +0000
                          Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure AnonLinuxUser <Anon@Linuxusers.net> - 2019-09-19 08:31 -0600
                Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Johann Beretta <beretta@nun-ya-bizness.com> - 2020-03-25 03:14 -0700
                  Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure anonlinuxuser <linuxuser@noone.net> - 2020-03-25 13:13 -0600
                  Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-03-25 20:57 +0100
                    Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure anonlinuxuser <linuxuser@noone.net> - 2020-03-25 16:25 -0600
                      Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Anonymous <nobody@remailer.paranoici.org> - 2020-03-26 00:36 +0100
                      Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-03-26 01:31 +0000
                        Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Jean-David Beyer <jeandavid8@verizon.net> - 2020-03-25 23:02 -0400
                          Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be> - 2020-03-26 04:34 +0100
                            Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Jean-David Beyer <jeandavid8@verizon.net> - 2020-03-26 00:30 -0400
                              Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be> - 2020-03-26 07:45 +0100
                                Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be> - 2020-03-26 07:47 +0100
                      Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2020-03-26 08:18 +0000
                        Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2020-03-26 09:57 +0100
                          Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2020-03-26 12:23 +0000
                            Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure "Anonymous Remailer (austria)" <mixmaster@remailer.privacy.at> - 2020-03-27 04:35 +0100
                          Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure anonlinuxuser <linuxuser@noone.net> - 2020-03-26 13:18 -0600
                            Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure "Anonymous Remailer (austria)" <mixmaster@remailer.privacy.at> - 2020-03-26 21:44 +0100
                            Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure "Anonymous Remailer (austria)" <mixmaster@remailer.privacy.at> - 2020-03-27 01:42 +0100
                              Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure anonlinuxuser <linuxuser@noone.net> - 2020-03-26 19:28 -0600
                                Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2020-03-26 19:55 -0600
                                  Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure anonlinuxuser <linuxuser@noone.net> - 2020-03-26 22:21 -0600
                                    Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2020-03-26 22:49 -0600
                                      Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure anonlinuxuser <linuxuser@noone.net> - 2020-03-27 12:46 -0600
                                        Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2020-03-27 13:01 -0600
                                          Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure anonlinuxuser <linuxuser@noone.net> - 2020-03-27 16:15 -0600
                                Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure "Anonymous Remailer (austria)" <mixmaster@remailer.privacy.at> - 2020-03-27 17:48 +0100
                                  Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure anonlinuxuser <linuxuser@noone.net> - 2020-03-27 12:47 -0600
                                    Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2020-03-27 21:00 +0000
                                      Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2020-03-27 22:18 +0100
                                      Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure anonlinuxuser <linuxuser@noone.net> - 2020-03-27 16:16 -0600
                        Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2020-03-26 12:22 +0000
                          Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2020-03-27 03:10 +0000
                        Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2020-03-26 07:33 -0500
                        Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure anonlinuxuser <linuxuser@noone.net> - 2020-03-26 13:17 -0600
                          Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Anonymous <nobody@remailer.paranoici.org> - 2020-03-26 21:32 +0100
                          Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-03-26 21:52 +0100
                            Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure anonlinuxuser <linuxuser@noone.net> - 2020-03-26 16:05 -0600
                              Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure "Anonymous Remailer (austria)" <mixmaster@remailer.privacy.at> - 2020-03-26 23:45 +0100
                                Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure anonlinuxuser <linuxuser@noone.net> - 2020-03-26 19:29 -0600
                                  Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2020-03-27 08:06 +0000
                                    Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure anonlinuxuser <linuxuser@noone.net> - 2020-03-27 12:48 -0600
                              Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure "Anonymous Remailer (austria)" <mixmaster@remailer.privacy.at> - 2020-03-27 03:04 +0100
                                Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure anonlinuxuser <linuxuser@noone.net> - 2020-03-26 22:25 -0600
                                  Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2020-03-27 05:47 +0100
                                  Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure "lucent tpm" <telco@example.com> - 2020-03-27 16:53 +0100
                                    Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2020-03-27 18:05 +0100
                                Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2020-03-27 17:19 +0100
                              Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2020-03-27 08:03 +0000
                                Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure anonlinuxuser <linuxuser@noone.net> - 2020-03-27 12:50 -0600
                              Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2020-03-27 06:59 -0500
                                Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure anonlinuxuser <linuxuser@noone.net> - 2020-03-27 12:52 -0600
                                  Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure "Anonymous Remailer (austria)" <mixmaster@remailer.privacy.at> - 2020-03-27 21:54 +0100
                                  Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2020-03-29 22:46 +0000
                                    Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2020-03-30 01:34 +0200
                                    Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure anonlinuxuser <linuxuser@noone.net> - 2020-03-29 19:14 -0600
                                      Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure "Anonymous Remailer (austria)" <mixmaster@remailer.privacy.at> - 2020-03-30 04:17 +0200
                                        Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Daniel60 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2020-04-03 21:26 +1100
                                          Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2020-04-03 20:04 -0600
                                            Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Daniel60 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2020-04-04 21:43 +1100
                                              Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2020-04-04 05:53 -0500
                                              Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2020-04-04 11:48 -0600
                                                Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Daniel60 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2020-04-05 21:09 +1000
                                                  Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2020-04-05 11:10 -0600
                                      Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2020-03-30 06:50 +0200
                                        Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Anonymous <nobody@remailer.paranoici.org> - 2020-03-30 10:58 +0200
                                      Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2020-03-30 06:59 +0000
                                        Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Info <info@perfumeshotsale.com> - 2020-03-30 08:06 +0100
                                      Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2020-03-30 12:00 +0000
                              Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2020-03-29 22:37 +0000
                                Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure "Anonymous Remailer (austria)" <mixmaster@remailer.privacy.at> - 2020-03-30 02:11 +0200
                                Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure anonlinuxuser <linuxuser@noone.net> - 2020-03-29 19:15 -0600
                                  Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Anonymous <nobody@remailer.paranoici.org> - 2020-03-30 04:05 +0200
                                  Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2020-03-30 04:29 +0200
                                  Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2020-03-30 06:30 +0200
                                    Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2020-03-30 01:52 -0500
                                      Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Alogsa <alogsa.logistica@alogsalogistica.com> - 2020-03-30 08:05 +0100
                                      Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2020-03-30 11:31 +0000
                                        Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2020-03-30 13:01 +0100
                                        Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2020-03-30 11:05 -0500
                                      Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2020-03-30 09:26 -0400
                                        Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Anonymous <nobody@remailer.paranoici.org> - 2020-03-30 17:51 +0200
                                        Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2020-03-30 12:03 -0500
                                          Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure "Anonymous Remailer (austria)" <mixmaster@remailer.privacy.at> - 2020-03-31 00:06 +0200
                                          Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2020-03-31 08:55 -0400
                                      Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure "Anonymous Remailer (austria)" <mixmaster@remailer.privacy.at> - 2020-03-31 03:18 +0200
                                        Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Anonymous <nobody@remailer.paranoici.org> - 2020-03-31 04:16 +0200
                                      Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2020-03-31 04:11 +0200
                                        Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure "Anonymous Remailer (austria)" <mixmaster@remailer.privacy.at> - 2020-03-31 04:45 +0200
                                        Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2020-03-31 08:03 -0500
                                          Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2020-03-31 15:26 +0100
                                            Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure "Anonymous Remailer (austria)" <mixmaster@remailer.privacy.at> - 2020-03-31 18:55 +0200
                                Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2020-03-30 05:59 +0200
                                  Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2020-03-30 06:30 +0200
                                Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2020-03-30 07:28 +0100
                                  Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Contact <contact@larryshopping.com> - 2020-04-01 01:21 +0000
                            Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure "Anonymous Remailer (austria)" <mixmaster@remailer.privacy.at> - 2020-03-27 03:46 +0100
                              Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2020-03-27 04:16 +0100
                              Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-03-27 14:01 +0100
                                Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2020-03-27 14:16 +0100
                            Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2020-03-29 22:36 +0000
                              Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2020-03-30 01:44 +0200
                              Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure anonlinuxuser <linuxuser@noone.net> - 2020-03-29 19:17 -0600
                                Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2020-03-30 04:19 +0200
                                Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2020-03-29 20:41 -0600
                                  Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure anonlinuxuser <linuxuser@noone.net> - 2020-03-30 09:16 -0600
                                    Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure John-Paul Stewart <jpstewart@sympatico.ca> - 2020-03-30 11:47 -0400
                                      Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure anonlinuxuser <linuxuser@noone.net> - 2020-03-30 13:12 -0600
                                        Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2020-03-30 19:59 -0600
                                          Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure anonlinuxuser <linuxuser@noone.net> - 2020-03-30 20:53 -0600
                                            Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2020-03-30 21:57 -0600
                                    Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2020-03-30 19:19 +0100
                                      Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure anonlinuxuser <linuxuser@noone.net> - 2020-03-30 13:13 -0600
                                        Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2020-03-31 05:04 +0000
                                          Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure anonlinuxuser <linuxuser@noone.net> - 2020-03-31 11:21 -0600
                                            Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2020-03-31 17:25 +0000
                                      Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2020-03-30 20:01 -0600
                                        Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure anonlinuxuser <linuxuser@noone.net> - 2020-03-30 20:53 -0600
                                          Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2020-03-30 21:59 -0600
                                            Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Geoff Clare <geoff@clare.See-My-Signature.invalid> - 2020-03-31 13:35 +0100
                                              Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2020-03-31 12:02 -0600
                                            Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure anonlinuxuser <linuxuser@noone.net> - 2020-03-31 11:25 -0600
                                        Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org - 2020-03-31 17:13 +0000
                                          Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2020-03-31 12:09 -0600
                                            Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org - 2020-03-31 18:51 +0000
                                              Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2020-03-31 13:44 -0600
                                              Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Geoff Clare <geoff@clare.See-My-Signature.invalid> - 2020-04-01 13:37 +0100
                                            Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> - 2020-04-12 10:35 -0400
                                              Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2020-04-13 02:22 +0000
                                                Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2020-04-12 22:50 -0600
                                                  Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2020-04-13 09:41 +0100
                                                    Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2020-04-13 07:51 -0500
                                                      Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure anonlinuxuser <linuxuser@noone.net> - 2020-04-13 11:45 -0600
                                                        Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Wildman <best_lay@yahoo.com> - 2020-04-13 14:11 -0500
                                                    Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure mGhost <mGhost@mouse-potato.com> - 2020-04-13 15:50 +0000
                                                      Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2020-04-13 18:21 +0100
                                                        Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure mGhost <mGhost@mouse-potato.com> - 2020-04-13 17:44 +0000
                                                          Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Jean-David Beyer <jeandavid8@verizon.net> - 2020-04-13 13:58 -0400
                                                            Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure mGhost <mGhost@mouse-potato.com> - 2020-04-13 18:15 +0000
                                                          Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2020-04-13 14:01 -0400
                                                          Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2020-04-13 20:40 +0100
                                                          Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2020-04-13 22:56 -0500
                                                            Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> - 2020-04-15 12:06 -0400
                                                              Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2020-04-15 11:36 -0500
                                                              Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Chris Elvidge <chris@mshome.net> - 2020-04-16 11:22 +0100
                                                                Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org - 2020-04-16 11:20 +0000
                                                                  Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2020-04-16 09:08 -0400
                                                                    Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org - 2020-04-16 14:50 +0000
                                                                      Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2020-04-16 13:49 -0400
                                                                        Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2020-04-16 13:16 -0500
                                                                          Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org - 2020-04-16 20:56 +0000
                                                                            Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-04-17 01:43 +0000
                                                              Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-04-16 15:27 +0000
                                                                Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> - 2020-04-18 14:56 -0400
                                                              Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure felix@palmen-it.de (Felix Palmen) - 2020-04-16 17:44 +0200
                                                                Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org - 2020-04-16 16:26 +0000
                                                                  Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2020-04-16 12:37 -0400
                                                        Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2020-04-13 14:29 -0400
                                                        Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2020-04-14 08:18 +0000
                                                          Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2020-04-14 12:50 +0100
                                                            Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2020-04-15 09:59 +0000
                                                Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2020-04-13 09:39 +0100
                                                Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> - 2020-04-13 19:44 -0400
                                                  Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2020-04-14 00:16 +0000
                                                    Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2020-04-14 03:39 +0100
                                                      Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2020-04-13 21:59 -0600
                                                        Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org - 2020-04-14 11:24 +0000
                                                        Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2020-04-14 12:35 +0100
                                                      Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure anonlinuxuser <linuxuser@noone.net> - 2020-04-13 22:04 -0600
                                                        Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2020-04-14 12:47 +0100
                                                          Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Geoff Clare <geoff@clare.See-My-Signature.invalid> - 2020-04-14 14:15 +0100
                                                            Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2020-04-14 15:05 +0100
                                                            Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> - 2020-04-15 11:43 -0400
                                                              Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Geoff Clare <geoff@clare.See-My-Signature.invalid> - 2020-04-16 13:31 +0100
                                                          Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure anonlinuxuser <linuxuser@noone.net> - 2020-04-14 13:09 -0600
                                                            Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-04-14 12:20 -0700
                                                      Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2020-04-14 05:47 +0000
                                                        Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2020-04-14 12:48 +0100
                                                          Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2020-04-14 21:10 +0000
                                                            Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2020-04-14 23:54 +0100
                                                              Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2020-04-15 01:06 +0000
                                                              Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Geoff Clare <geoff@clare.See-My-Signature.invalid> - 2020-04-15 13:39 +0100
                                                      Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2020-04-14 08:40 +0000
                                          Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2020-04-01 09:37 +0100
                                            Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org - 2020-04-01 08:55 +0000
                                              Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2020-04-01 11:13 +0100
                                                Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org - 2020-04-01 20:40 +0000
                                        Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2020-03-31 21:38 +0100
                                          Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure anonlinuxuser <linuxuser@noone.net> - 2020-04-01 13:39 -0600
                                            Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2020-04-01 13:51 -0600
                                            Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org - 2020-04-01 20:42 +0000
                                              Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2020-04-02 07:42 +0100
                                                Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2020-04-02 09:19 +0100
                                                Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org - 2020-04-02 13:24 +0000
                                                  Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure anonlinuxuser <linuxuser@noone.net> - 2020-04-02 12:10 -0600
                                                    Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org - 2020-04-02 21:56 +0000
                                                      Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2020-04-03 08:42 -0400
                                                    Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2020-04-03 08:05 +0100
                                                      Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure anonlinuxuser <linuxuser@noone.net> - 2020-04-03 09:13 -0600
                                                  Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2020-04-03 08:15 +0100
                                                    Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org - 2020-04-04 01:16 +0000
                                              Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Jack Strangio  <jackstrangio@yahoo.com> - 2020-04-03 05:24 +0000
                                                Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure anonlinuxuser <linuxuser@noone.net> - 2020-04-03 09:20 -0600
                                            Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2020-04-01 21:34 +0000
                                              Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure anonlinuxuser <linuxuser@noone.net> - 2020-04-01 17:50 -0600
                                                Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2020-04-02 03:15 +0000
                                              Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Geoff Clare <geoff@clare.See-My-Signature.invalid> - 2020-04-02 13:42 +0100
                                            Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure "Chris F.A. Johnson" <cfajohnson@cfaj.ca> - 2020-04-01 17:32 -0400
                                              Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure anonlinuxuser <linuxuser@noone.net> - 2020-04-01 17:49 -0600
                                              Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2020-04-02 07:44 +0100
                                                Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Jean-David Beyer <jeandavid8@verizon.net> - 2020-04-02 07:12 -0400
                                                  Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2020-04-03 08:02 +0100
                                              Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> - 2020-04-12 10:39 -0400
                                          Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from  failure "Anonymous Remailer (austria)" <mixmaster@remailer.privacy.at> - 2020-04-02 18:30 +0200
                                Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2020-03-30 07:16 +0200
                                  Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure "Anonymous Remailer (austria)" <mixmaster@remailer.privacy.at> - 2020-03-30 09:13 +0200
                                  Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure anonlinuxuser <linuxuser@noone.net> - 2020-03-30 09:19 -0600
                                    Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2020-03-30 09:29 -0600
                                      Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Jean-David Beyer <jeandavid8@verizon.net> - 2020-03-30 12:20 -0400
                                      Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2020-03-30 12:35 -0500
                                      Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure anonlinuxuser <linuxuser@noone.net> - 2020-03-30 13:14 -0600
                                    Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Anonymous <nobody@remailer.paranoici.org> - 2020-03-30 18:52 +0200
                                Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2020-03-30 07:01 +0000
                                  Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure "Anonymous Remailer (austria)" <mixmaster@remailer.privacy.at> - 2020-03-30 09:58 +0200
                                  Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure anonlinuxuser <linuxuser@noone.net> - 2020-03-30 09:21 -0600
                                    Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2020-03-30 19:01 +0200
                    Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2020-03-26 09:52 +0100
                      Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-03-26 13:46 +0100
                        Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2020-03-26 07:51 -0500
                        Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2020-03-26 10:34 -0400
                          Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2020-03-26 17:36 +0100
                          Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-03-26 21:49 +0100
                            Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2020-03-27 14:30 -0400
                              Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-03-27 21:31 +0100
                                Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2020-03-27 15:44 -0600
                                  Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-03-27 23:19 +0100
                                    Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2020-03-27 16:56 -0600
                                      Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-03-28 05:10 +0100
                                        Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2020-03-27 22:46 -0600
                                          Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-03-28 20:22 +0100
                                            Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2020-03-28 16:15 -0600
                                              Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-03-29 00:11 +0100
                                    Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2020-03-28 12:32 -0500
                              Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2020-03-28 10:18 +0000
                                Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2020-03-28 10:52 -0600
                            Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2020-03-27 12:59 -0600
                              Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-03-27 21:31 +0100
                                Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2020-03-27 15:48 -0600
                            Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2020-03-27 22:03 -0400
                        Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure "Anonymous Remailer (austria)" <mixmaster@remailer.privacy.at> - 2020-03-27 00:23 +0100
                          Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure anonlinuxuser <linuxuser@noone.net> - 2020-03-26 19:29 -0600
                          Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-03-27 14:07 +0100
                            Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Anonymous <nobody@remailer.paranoici.org> - 2020-03-27 15:42 +0100
                            Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2020-03-27 17:35 +0100
                              Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2020-03-27 18:20 +0100
                            Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2020-03-30 08:41 +0200
                              Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Contact <contact@rockygoods.com> - 2020-03-30 11:47 +0000
                      Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure "Anonymous Remailer (austria)" <mixmaster@remailer.privacy.at> - 2020-03-26 13:54 +0100
                        Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure "Anonymous Remailer (austria)" <mixmaster@remailer.privacy.at> - 2020-03-26 15:44 +0100
                    Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2020-03-26 12:19 +0000
                      Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-03-26 13:46 +0100
                        Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2020-03-26 12:55 +0000
                        Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2020-03-26 15:50 +0000
                          Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2020-03-26 16:05 +0000
                            Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure "Anonymous Remailer (austria)" <mixmaster@remailer.privacy.at> - 2020-03-27 00:02 +0100
                              Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure "Anonymous Remailer (austria)" <mixmaster@remailer.privacy.at> - 2020-03-27 01:29 +0100
                          Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2020-03-26 17:57 +0100
                          Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-03-26 21:56 +0100
                            Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2020-03-26 21:13 +0000
                              Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2020-03-27 00:13 +0100
                            Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure anonlinuxuser <linuxuser@noone.net> - 2020-03-26 16:08 -0600
                              Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2020-03-26 23:20 +0100
                                Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure anonlinuxuser <linuxuser@noone.net> - 2020-03-26 19:31 -0600
                            Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2020-03-26 23:47 +0100
                            Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure "Anonymous Remailer (austria)" <mixmaster@remailer.privacy.at> - 2020-03-27 01:15 +0100
          Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2019-09-03 11:33 +0200
            Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-09-03 09:45 -0500
              Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Jean-David Beyer <jeandavid8@verizon.net> - 2019-09-03 13:21 -0400
              Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2019-09-04 18:52 +0000
                Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2019-09-04 15:10 -0400
                  Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2019-09-04 18:23 -0400
                Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2019-09-04 21:14 +0100
                  Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2019-09-04 20:35 +0000
                    Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2019-09-04 21:37 +0100
                      Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from  failure Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2019-09-04 16:58 -0500
                        Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2019-09-05 09:09 +0100
                Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Rabid Robot <rabid@rob.ot> - 2019-09-04 16:45 -0400
                Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Johann Beretta <beretta@nun-ya-bizness.com> - 2019-09-15 15:07 -0700
            Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Johann Beretta <beretta@nun-ya-bizness.com> - 2019-09-15 15:06 -0700
              Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-09-15 22:32 -0500
        Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Rabid Robot <rabid@rob.ot> - 2019-08-29 17:07 -0400
          Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2019-08-30 12:31 -0400
            Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2019-08-30 17:25 +0000
              Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2019-08-30 18:46 +0100
                Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2019-08-31 04:08 +0100
                  Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2019-08-31 03:34 +0000
                  Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2019-08-31 10:02 +0100
                    Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2019-08-31 10:41 +0100
                      Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be> - 2019-08-31 16:15 +0200
                        Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2019-08-31 13:34 -0400
                          Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2019-08-31 13:59 -0500
                          Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be> - 2019-08-31 21:36 +0200
                            Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2019-09-01 09:59 +0100
                          Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2019-09-01 14:44 -0400
        Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Johann Beretta <beretta@nun-ya-bizness.com> - 2019-09-15 15:01 -0700
      Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-08-29 12:34 -0700
        Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Johann Beretta <beretta@nun-ya-bizness.com> - 2019-09-16 20:05 -0700
      Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be> - 2019-08-29 21:40 +0200
        Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-08-29 16:03 -0500
          Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2019-08-30 00:59 +0200
          Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Johann Beretta <beretta@nun-ya-bizness.com> - 2019-09-16 20:11 -0700
            Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Anonymous <nobody@remailer.paranoici.org> - 2019-09-17 05:42 +0200
        Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure "Anonymous Remailer (austria)" <mixmaster@remailer.privacy.at> - 2019-08-30 00:34 +0200
        Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Geoff Clare <geoff@clare.See-My-Signature.invalid> - 2019-08-30 13:41 +0100
      Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2019-08-29 20:02 +0000
      Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from  failure Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2019-08-29 15:43 -0500
        Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from  failure "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-08-29 16:12 -0500
          Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure stepore <linshine@here.now> - 2019-08-29 21:29 -0700
            Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure "F. Russell" <frussell@random.info> - 2019-08-30 14:02 +0000
          Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure stepore <linshine@here.now> - 2019-08-29 21:47 -0700
            Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-08-30 01:03 -0500
              Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure stepore <linshine@here.now> - 2019-08-31 00:52 -0700
                Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-08-31 11:17 -0500
                  Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure stepore <linshine@here.now> - 2019-09-01 00:16 -0700
              Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure stepore <linshine@here.now> - 2019-08-31 01:03 -0700
                Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-08-31 10:56 -0500
              Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2019-08-31 11:37 +0000
          Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2019-08-31 11:30 +0000
          Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Johann Beretta <beretta@nun-ya-bizness.com> - 2019-09-16 20:20 -0700
            Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-09-17 01:45 -0500
    Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure "anon" <anon@anon.com> - 2019-09-15 17:31 -0500
    Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from robert.wolfe@wildcat.uuhec.net (Robert Wolfe) - 2019-09-17 01:25 +0000

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#28085

FromJean-David Beyer <jeandavid8@verizon.net>
Date2019-09-03 13:21 -0400
Message-ID<qkm7ea02lj5@news2.newsguy.com>
In reply to#28084
On 9/3/19 11:43 AM, Nomen Nescio wrote:
> My other computer is a HOLMES IV with the Mycroft OS

Mine is a Mary Russell

-- 
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#28086

FromWilliam Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca>
Date2019-09-04 18:52 +0000
Message-ID<qkp167$n78$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#28084
On 2019-09-03, Cybe R. Wizard <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> wrote:
> On Tue,  3 Sep 2019 11:33:32 +0200 (CEST)
> Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> wrote:
>
>> In article <20190829154108.39a78ce8@WizardsTower>
>> "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> wrote:
>> >
>> > On Thu, 29 Aug 2019 14:04:05 -0400
>> > Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
>> >  
>> > > Linux is some kind of fork from UNIX.  
>> >
>> > Not a fork, it is a complete rewrite from scratch and shares no
>> > code.  

Phoenix Bios for the original PC was a complete rewrite and shared no
code with the IBM Bios. But I think eveyone would admit that it was a
clone, and one might even call it a "fork" (whatever that may be taken
to mean) so much so that the user could not tell the difference between
the two.

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#28087

FromLew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca>
Date2019-09-04 15:10 -0400
Message-ID<qkp26n$2aj$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#28086
William Unruh wrote:

> On 2019-09-03, Cybe R. Wizard <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> wrote:
>> On Tue,  3 Sep 2019 11:33:32 +0200 (CEST)
>> Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> wrote:
>>
>>> In article <20190829154108.39a78ce8@WizardsTower>
>>> "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > On Thu, 29 Aug 2019 14:04:05 -0400
>>> > Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
>>> >  
>>> > > Linux is some kind of fork from UNIX.
>>> >
>>> > Not a fork, it is a complete rewrite from scratch and shares no
>>> > code.
> 
> Phoenix Bios for the original PC was a complete rewrite and shared no
> code with the IBM Bios. But I think eveyone would admit that it was a
> clone,

In the software world, the term "clone" has (at least) two similar but 
divergent meanings.

Firstly, to "clone" data is to take an identical copy of the data, as in 
"cloning my hard-drive".

Secondly, though, to "clone" a program is to make a functionally-identical 
copy, which is /not necesarily/ a bit-for-bit identical copy. In this case, 
"clone" refers to the /functionality/, not the code.

> and one might even call it a "fork" (whatever that may be taken
> to mean)

In software development, the word "fork" has a very specific meaning. A 
"fork" references two divergant software development efforts that originate 
with the /same/ source code. The Xorg X server is a "fork" of a specific 
version of the XFree86 X server source code, and LibreOffice is a "fork" of 
a very specific version of the OpenOffice source code.

> so much so that the user could not tell the difference between
> the two.

It would be correct to say that Linux is modelled on Unix, and that it is 
(for instance) a "spiritual derivative" of Unix, or even (in the sense of a 
"functionally-identical copy") a partial and divergant "clone" of Unix; it 
would /not/ be correct to say that it is a "fork" of Unix. 

-- 
Lew Pitcher
"In Skills, We Trust"

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#28098

FromLew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca>
Date2019-09-04 18:23 -0400
Message-ID<qkpdgq$7hf$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#28087
Anonymous wrote:

> In article <qkp61n$pkg$2@dont-email.me>
> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> On 04/09/2019 20:10, Lew Pitcher wrote:
>> > Secondly, though, to "clone" a program is to make a
>> > functionally-identical
>> > copy, which is/not necesarily/  a bit-for-bit identical copy. In this
>> > case, "clone" refers to the/functionality/, not the code.
>> >
>> That is not a meaning I have ever heard attached to 'clone'

http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/C/clone.html

clone: n.

    1. An exact duplicate: “Our product is a clone of their product.”
       Implies a legal reimplementation from documentation or by reverse-
       engineering. Also connotes lower price. 

-- 
Lew Pitcher
"In Skills, We Trust"

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#28088

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2019-09-04 21:14 +0100
Message-ID<qkp5uc$pkg$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#28086
On 04/09/2019 19:52, William Unruh wrote:
> On 2019-09-03, Cybe R. Wizard <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> wrote:
>> On Tue,  3 Sep 2019 11:33:32 +0200 (CEST)
>> Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> wrote:
>>
>>> In article <20190829154108.39a78ce8@WizardsTower>
>>> "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, 29 Aug 2019 14:04:05 -0400
>>>> Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
>>>>   
>>>>> Linux is some kind of fork from UNIX.
>>>>
>>>> Not a fork, it is a complete rewrite from scratch and shares no
>>>> code.
> 
> Phoenix Bios for the original PC was a complete rewrite and shared no
> code with the IBM Bios. But I think eveyone would admit that it was a
> clone, and one might even call it a "fork" (whatever that may be taken
> to mean) so much so that the user could not tell the difference between
> the two.
> 
Neither a clone nor a fork.

Nor even reverse engineering as such.
Functionally equivalent is really as far as it goes.

-- 
“People believe certain stories because everyone important tells them, 
and people tell those stories because everyone important believes them. 
Indeed, when a conventional wisdom is at its fullest strength, one’s 
agreement with that conventional wisdom becomes almost a litmus test of 
one’s suitability to be taken seriously.”

Paul Krugman

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#28089

FromWilliam Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca>
Date2019-09-04 20:35 +0000
Message-ID<qkp75q$k0$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#28088
On 2019-09-04, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 04/09/2019 19:52, William Unruh wrote:
>> On 2019-09-03, Cybe R. Wizard <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> wrote:
>>> On Tue,  3 Sep 2019 11:33:32 +0200 (CEST)
>>> Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article <20190829154108.39a78ce8@WizardsTower>
>>>> "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 29 Aug 2019 14:04:05 -0400
>>>>> Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
>>>>>   
>>>>>> Linux is some kind of fork from UNIX.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not a fork, it is a complete rewrite from scratch and shares no
>>>>> code.
>> 
>> Phoenix Bios for the original PC was a complete rewrite and shared no
>> code with the IBM Bios. But I think eveyone would admit that it was a
>> clone, and one might even call it a "fork" (whatever that may be taken
>> to mean) so much so that the user could not tell the difference between
>> the two.
>> 
> Neither a clone nor a fork.
>
> Nor even reverse engineering as such.

It was certainly "reverse enginnered" helped along by the fact that IBM
published the full source code for their 
hoeninx then had engineers to write a bunch of specs for exatly what the
bios did, and then handed those to a group of coders who had never seen
te original to impliment. So it was certaily a clone. Whether or not it
was a fork depends on your definition of "fork". 
> Functionally equivalent is really as far as it goes.
>

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#28090

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2019-09-04 21:37 +0100
Message-ID<qkp79m$29k$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#28089
On 04/09/2019 21:35, William Unruh wrote:
> On 2019-09-04, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> On 04/09/2019 19:52, William Unruh wrote:
>>> On 2019-09-03, Cybe R. Wizard <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> wrote:
>>>> On Tue,  3 Sep 2019 11:33:32 +0200 (CEST)
>>>> Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In article <20190829154108.39a78ce8@WizardsTower>
>>>>> "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, 29 Aug 2019 14:04:05 -0400
>>>>>> Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
>>>>>>    
>>>>>>> Linux is some kind of fork from UNIX.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not a fork, it is a complete rewrite from scratch and shares no
>>>>>> code.
>>>
>>> Phoenix Bios for the original PC was a complete rewrite and shared no
>>> code with the IBM Bios. But I think eveyone would admit that it was a
>>> clone, and one might even call it a "fork" (whatever that may be taken
>>> to mean) so much so that the user could not tell the difference between
>>> the two.
>>>
>> Neither a clone nor a fork.
>>
>> Nor even reverse engineering as such.
> 
> It was certainly "reverse enginnered" helped along by the fact that IBM
> published the full source code for their
> hoeninx then had engineers to write a bunch of specs for exatly what the
> bios did, and then handed those to a group of coders who had never seen
> te original to impliment. So it was certaily a clone. Whether or not it
> was a fork depends on your definition of "fork".
>> Functionally equivalent is really as far as it goes.

Clone means 'having genetic material from' not 'behaves like'

>>


-- 
Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's 
too dark to read.

Groucho Marx

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#28095 — Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure

FromRobert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com>
Date2019-09-04 16:58 -0500
SubjectRe: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure
Message-ID<ocCdnav-JtT0ru3AnZ2dnUU7-fHNnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#28090
At Wed, 4 Sep 2019 21:37:09 +0100 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> 
> On 04/09/2019 21:35, William Unruh wrote:
> > On 2019-09-04, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> >> On 04/09/2019 19:52, William Unruh wrote:
> >>> On 2019-09-03, Cybe R. Wizard <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> wrote:
> >>>> On Tue,  3 Sep 2019 11:33:32 +0200 (CEST)
> >>>> Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> In article <20190829154108.39a78ce8@WizardsTower>
> >>>>> "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Thu, 29 Aug 2019 14:04:05 -0400
> >>>>>> Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>    
> >>>>>>> Linux is some kind of fork from UNIX.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Not a fork, it is a complete rewrite from scratch and shares no
> >>>>>> code.
> >>>
> >>> Phoenix Bios for the original PC was a complete rewrite and shared no
> >>> code with the IBM Bios. But I think eveyone would admit that it was a
> >>> clone, and one might even call it a "fork" (whatever that may be taken
> >>> to mean) so much so that the user could not tell the difference between
> >>> the two.
> >>>
> >> Neither a clone nor a fork.
> >>
> >> Nor even reverse engineering as such.
> > 
> > It was certainly "reverse enginnered" helped along by the fact that IBM
> > published the full source code for their
> > hoeninx then had engineers to write a bunch of specs for exatly what the
> > bios did, and then handed those to a group of coders who had never seen
> > te original to impliment. So it was certaily a clone. Whether or not it
> > was a fork depends on your definition of "fork".
> >> Functionally equivalent is really as far as it goes.
> 
> Clone means 'having genetic material from' not 'behaves like'

Biology and software use the word differently...

> 
> >>
> 
> 

-- 
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http://www.deepsoft.com/  -- Linux Administration Services
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#28111

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2019-09-05 09:09 +0100
Message-ID<qkqfsg$br$4@dont-email.me>
In reply to#28095
On 04/09/2019 22:58, Robert Heller wrote:
> At Wed, 4 Sep 2019 21:37:09 +0100 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> 
>>
>> On 04/09/2019 21:35, William Unruh wrote:
>>> On 2019-09-04, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>> On 04/09/2019 19:52, William Unruh wrote:
>>>>> On 2019-09-03, Cybe R. Wizard <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue,  3 Sep 2019 11:33:32 +0200 (CEST)
>>>>>> Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In article <20190829154108.39a78ce8@WizardsTower>
>>>>>>> "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, 29 Aug 2019 14:04:05 -0400
>>>>>>>> Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>     
>>>>>>>>> Linux is some kind of fork from UNIX.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not a fork, it is a complete rewrite from scratch and shares no
>>>>>>>> code.
>>>>>
>>>>> Phoenix Bios for the original PC was a complete rewrite and shared no
>>>>> code with the IBM Bios. But I think eveyone would admit that it was a
>>>>> clone, and one might even call it a "fork" (whatever that may be taken
>>>>> to mean) so much so that the user could not tell the difference between
>>>>> the two.
>>>>>
>>>> Neither a clone nor a fork.
>>>>
>>>> Nor even reverse engineering as such.
>>>
>>> It was certainly "reverse enginnered" helped along by the fact that IBM
>>> published the full source code for their
>>> hoeninx then had engineers to write a bunch of specs for exatly what the
>>> bios did, and then handed those to a group of coders who had never seen
>>> te original to impliment. So it was certaily a clone. Whether or not it
>>> was a fork depends on your definition of "fork".
>>>> Functionally equivalent is really as far as it goes.
>>
>> Clone means 'having genetic material from' not 'behaves like'
> 
> Biology and software use the word differently...

Not really - a PC clone still used the same hardware as IBM.
Thats why they only had to copy the BIOS functionalisty - that wasnt 
public domain hardware.


> 
>>
>>>>
>>
>>
> 


-- 
“when things get difficult you just have to lie”

― Jean Claud Jüncker

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#28092

FromRabid Robot <rabid@rob.ot>
Date2019-09-04 16:45 -0400
Message-ID<KnVbF.221433$Zz1.79671@fx35.iad>
In reply to#28086
On 2019-09-04 2:52 p.m., William Unruh wrote:
> On 2019-09-03, Cybe R. Wizard <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> wrote:
>> On Tue,  3 Sep 2019 11:33:32 +0200 (CEST)
>> Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> wrote:
>>
>>> In article <20190829154108.39a78ce8@WizardsTower>
>>> "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, 29 Aug 2019 14:04:05 -0400
>>>> Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
>>>>  
>>>>> Linux is some kind of fork from UNIX.  
>>>>
>>>> Not a fork, it is a complete rewrite from scratch and shares no
>>>> code.  
> 
> Phoenix Bios for the original PC was a complete rewrite and shared no
> code with the IBM Bios. But I think eveyone would admit that it was a
> clone, and one might even call it a "fork" (whatever that may be taken
> to mean) so much so that the user could not tell the difference between
> the two.

It was a clone in that it was created from scratch based on IBM's own
documentation about how it worked. It can only constitute a fork if it
used some of the existing IBM code which it did not to. IBM is pretty
bad about sharing its code with the public (OS/2 has still not been
open-sourced, to give you an idea).

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#28216

FromJohann Beretta <beretta@nun-ya-bizness.com>
Date2019-09-15 15:07 -0700
Message-ID<qlmcnn$2q0$4@dont-email.me>
In reply to#28086

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On 9/4/19 11:52 AM, William Unruh wrote:

<snip>

> Phoenix Bios for the original PC was a complete rewrite and shared no
> code with the IBM Bios. But I think eveyone would admit that it was a
> clone, and one might even call it a "fork" (whatever that may be taken
> to mean) so much so that the user could not tell the difference between
> the two.
> 

Fork has a specific definition.  Source code is cloned and then
developed independently. That's a fork.  At some point a forked project
can diverge from the original to the point that there's no longer much
resemblance.

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#28215

FromJohann Beretta <beretta@nun-ya-bizness.com>
Date2019-09-15 15:06 -0700
Message-ID<qlmck9$2q0$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#28082

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On 9/3/19 2:33 AM, Nomen Nescio wrote:
> In article <20190829154108.39a78ce8@WizardsTower>
> "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, 29 Aug 2019 14:04:05 -0400
>> Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Linux is some kind of fork from UNIX.
>>
>> Not a fork, it is a complete rewrite from scratch and shares no code.
> 
> That's not entirely true.  Appropriated from MINIX is more 
> accurate.
> 

Oh bullshit. MINIX is a mircokernel. Linux is monolithic. Jesus Christ..
Linux takes one look at Minix and assholes run around for the next 40
years claiming he stole from it.

Both have available source. Go show us what was appropriated.

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#28228

From"Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid>
Date2019-09-15 22:32 -0500
Message-ID<20190915223256.15a612fe@WizardsTower>
In reply to#28215
On Sun, 15 Sep 2019 15:06:01 -0700
Johann Beretta <beretta@nun-ya-bizness.com> wrote:

> On 9/3/19 2:33 AM, Nomen Nescio wrote:
> > In article <20190829154108.39a78ce8@WizardsTower>
> > "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> wrote:  
> >>
> >> On Thu, 29 Aug 2019 14:04:05 -0400
> >> Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
> >>  
> >>> Linux is some kind of fork from UNIX.  
> >>
> >> Not a fork, it is a complete rewrite from scratch and shares no
> >> code.  
> > 
> > That's not entirely true.  Appropriated from MINIX is more 
> > accurate.
> >   
> 
> Oh bullshit. MINIX is a mircokernel. Linux is monolithic. Jesus
> Christ.. Linux takes one look at Minix and assholes run around for
> the next 40 years claiming he stole from it.
> 
> Both have available source. Go show us what was appropriated.
> 
...and, while you try to show that, remember that smarter and better
equipped <Microsofts> than you have already tried and failed to show
copied code in Linux.

-- 
Cybe R. Wizard

My other computer is a HOLMES IV with the Mycroft OS
My other car is a Chandler MetalSmith Mark III
	

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#28030

FromRabid Robot <rabid@rob.ot>
Date2019-08-29 17:07 -0400
Message-ID<58X9F.205702$BJ1.174763@fx43.iad>
In reply to#28023
On 2019-08-29 2:04 p.m., Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Aug 2019 12:40:16 -0500, Cybe R. Wizard wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, 29 Aug 2019 08:34:20 -0500
>> "anon" <anon@anon.com> wrote:
>>
>>> <https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2019/08/unix-at-50-it-starts-with-a-mainframe-a-gator-and-three-dedicated-researchers>
>>>
>> The article is wrong right off the bat by conflating Unix and GNU/Linux.
>> Unix does NOT run smartphones in any way, shape, or form.  GNU/Linux
>> does that.  They are NOT the same. 
> 
> Linux is some kind of fork from UNIX. Well not really (or Minix?). But
> without UNIX there would likely be no Linux today, which runs under the
> hood of Android smartphones.

Linux is a kernel inspired by UNIX and much of the software running on
top of it is ported from UNIX. I guess that's where the confusion comes
from. However, they're not the same thing.

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#28053

FromAndreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net>
Date2019-08-30 12:31 -0400
Message-ID<874l1y1uoy.fsf@usenet.ankman.de>
In reply to#28030
On Thu, 29 Aug 2019 17:07:16 -0400, Rabid Robot wrote:
>
> On 2019-08-29 2:04 p.m., Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
>> 
>> Linux is some kind of fork from UNIX. Well not really (or Minix?). But
>> without UNIX there would likely be no Linux today, which runs under the
>> hood of Android smartphones.
>
> Linux is a kernel inspired by UNIX and much of the software running on
> top of it is ported from UNIX. I guess that's where the confusion comes
> from. However, they're not the same thing.

Yes, not a fork. Couldn't find a term to put these into relation, so I
wrote "some kind of fork". Hmm, UNIX-like?

Interestingly there is a German Linux group
de.comp.os.unix.linux.misc. Linux here sits inside the UNIX hierarchy.

F'up comp.os.linux.misc
-- 
Andreas

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#28054

FromEli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com>
Date2019-08-30 17:25 +0000
Message-ID<eli$1908301325@qaz.wtf>
In reply to#28053
In comp.os.linux.misc, Andreas Kohlbach  <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
> Yes, not a fork. Couldn't find a term to put these into relation, so I
> wrote "some kind of fork". Hmm, UNIX-like?

The typical English term for that is a "clone".

Elijah
------
even though there may be no shared "dna"

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#28055

FromRichard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid>
Date2019-08-30 18:46 +0100
Message-ID<87a7bq7dgz.fsf@LkoBDZeT.terraraq.uk>
In reply to#28054
Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> writes:
> In comp.os.linux.misc, Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
>> Yes, not a fork. Couldn't find a term to put these into relation, so I
>> wrote "some kind of fork". Hmm, UNIX-like?
>
> The typical English term for that is a "clone".

Yes. It’s also worth distinguishing between Unix as an implementation
(V7, System V, etc) and Unix as an interface (read, fork, etc). Linux
isn’t Unix in the former sense, but it is a Unix in the latter sense.

-- 
https://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/

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#28058

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2019-08-31 04:08 +0100
Message-ID<qkcobg$aar$5@dont-email.me>
In reply to#28055
On 30/08/2019 18:46, Richard Kettlewell wrote:
> Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> writes:
>> In comp.os.linux.misc, Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
>>> Yes, not a fork. Couldn't find a term to put these into relation, so I
>>> wrote "some kind of fork". Hmm, UNIX-like?
>>
>> The typical English term for that is a "clone".
> 
> Yes. It’s also worth distinguishing between Unix as an implementation
> (V7, System V, etc) and Unix as an interface (read, fork, etc). Linux
> isn’t Unix in the former sense, but it is a Unix in the latter sense.
> 
Wait till Bill Gates get someone to do the same for Windows.


-- 
All political activity makes complete sense once the proposition that 
all government is basically a self-legalising protection racket, is 
fully understood.

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#28059

FromCharlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
Date2019-08-31 03:34 +0000
Message-ID<qkcprt016i7@news1.newsguy.com>
In reply to#28058
On 2019-08-31, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> On 30/08/2019 18:46, Richard Kettlewell wrote:
>
>> Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> writes:
>>
>>> In comp.os.linux.misc, Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yes, not a fork. Couldn't find a term to put these into relation, so I
>>>> wrote "some kind of fork". Hmm, UNIX-like?
>>>
>>> The typical English term for that is a "clone".
>> 
>> Yes. It’s also worth distinguishing between Unix as an implementation
>> (V7, System V, etc) and Unix as an interface (read, fork, etc). Linux
>> isn’t Unix in the former sense, but it is a Unix in the latter sense.
>
> Wait till Bill Gates get someone to do the same for Windows.

Then we'll all be forked.

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#28064

FromRichard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid>
Date2019-08-31 10:02 +0100
Message-ID<87woet6724.fsf@LkoBDZeT.terraraq.uk>
In reply to#28058
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> writes:
> On 30/08/2019 18:46, Richard Kettlewell wrote:
>> Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> writes:
>>> The typical English term for that is a "clone".
>>
>> Yes. It’s also worth distinguishing between Unix as an implementation
>> (V7, System V, etc) and Unix as an interface (read, fork, etc). Linux
>> isn’t Unix in the former sense, but it is a Unix in the latter sense.
>>
> Wait till Bill Gates get someone to do the same for Windows.

Wait? There’ve been many Unix API implementations for Windows.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_POSIX_subsystem
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Services_for_UNIX
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interix
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Subsystem_for_Linux
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cygwin
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UWIN

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