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| First post | 2024-07-03 17:05 -0500 |
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NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder SugarBug <3883@sugar.bug> - 2024-07-03 17:05 -0500
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder RabidPedagog <rabid@pedag.og> - 2024-07-03 19:58 -0400
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-07-04 12:06 +0200
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-04 11:15 +0100
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2024-07-04 10:41 +0000
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-04 12:01 +0100
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2024-07-05 02:10 +0000
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-05 09:54 +0100
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-07-05 12:29 +0200
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-05 12:08 +0100
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-07-05 19:15 +0200
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-05 18:40 +0100
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2024-07-06 03:19 +0000
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-07-06 12:42 +0200
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2024-07-07 00:55 +0000
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-07 11:19 +0100
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-07-07 21:12 +0200
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-07-07 21:32 +0000
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-07-08 11:52 +0200
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-07-07 12:51 +0200
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-07 12:33 +0100
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-07-07 21:23 +0200
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-07-06 17:57 +0000
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2024-07-07 00:48 +0000
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-07 11:11 +0100
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-07 11:10 +0100
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2024-07-07 10:15 +0000
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-07 12:26 +0100
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-07-06 12:31 +0200
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-07-05 20:28 +0000
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2024-07-06 11:00 +1000
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-07-06 12:34 +0200
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2024-07-07 09:33 +1000
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-07 11:18 +0100
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-07-07 17:23 +0000
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-07-07 18:13 +0000
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) - 2024-07-07 20:04 +0100
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-07-08 11:50 +0200
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) - 2024-07-08 18:04 +0100
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-07-08 22:17 +0200
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-09 09:34 +0100
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-07-09 12:21 +0200
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-08 08:43 +0100
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-07-07 21:11 +0200
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-09 09:38 +0100
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2024-07-09 20:47 +0200
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-09 20:31 +0100
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-06 11:29 +0100
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-07-06 17:57 +0000
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-07-06 12:33 +0200
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2024-07-05 13:03 +0000
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-05 15:05 +0100
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-07-05 19:19 +0200
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2024-07-06 03:15 +0000
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-07-06 12:39 +0200
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2024-07-07 00:57 +0000
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-07-07 12:53 +0200
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2024-07-05 12:49 +0000
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-05 14:59 +0100
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication Jack Strangio <jackstrangio@yahoo.com> - 2024-07-06 05:30 +0000
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-06 11:32 +0100
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-07-04 23:29 +0200
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2024-07-05 02:15 +0000
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-07-05 12:26 +0200
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2024-07-06 03:42 +0000
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-07-06 12:50 +0200
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2024-07-07 09:28 +0000
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-07 11:33 +0100
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-07-07 17:23 +0000
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2024-07-07 17:38 +0000
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-07-07 21:19 +0200
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-07-04 10:11 -0400
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder Bobbie Sellers <blissInSanFrancisco@mouse-potato.com> - 2024-07-04 09:12 -0700
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-07-06 11:32 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication |
| Message-ID | <v6b6gi$3p34n$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #56680 |
On 06/07/2024 06:30, Jack Strangio wrote: > The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> writes: >> To ban Christmas, simply give turkeys the vote. > > Who's going to roast Turkeys in the middle of Summer? > We did in Johannesburg. 40°C temperatures, roast turkey and christmas pudding. Followed by racing clockwork bath toys across the swimming pool. Heady days. -- "If you don’t read the news paper, you are un-informed. If you read the news paper, you are mis-informed." Mark Twain
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| From | D <nospam@example.net> |
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| Date | 2024-07-04 23:29 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <cf97f9dd-2d32-8a29-e7a0-6d7562212833@example.net> |
| In reply to | #56645 |
On Thu, 4 Jul 2024, Borax Man wrote: > ["Followup-To:" header set to comp.os.linux.misc.] > On 2024-07-04, D <nospam@example.net> wrote: >> >> >> On Wed, 3 Jul 2024, RabidPedagog wrote: >> >>> On 2024-07-03 6:05 p.m., SugarBug wrote: >>>> NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, >>>> forces abdication of founder >>>> >>>> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40870314 >>>> >>>> I found a youtube version of this article being read by a gray-bearded >>>> tech nerd with a Hawaiian shirt: https://youtu.be/KsDYul3J3Dc >>>> >>>> Maybe I should pop a pineapple pizza in the oven and watch the drama. >>> >>> Darn, I thought I was the first to post this. >> >> Are there any non-political distributions to switch to? Since I'm a free >> speech extremist I'm against all projects that ban conservative, nazis and >> communists who contribute. > > Most people in "tech" seem to be insufferable progressives. > Unfortunately people now seem to think that everything they touch, and > everything they get involved in, needs to be "activist". What > distribution are you using at the moment? Sigh, yes this is true. But, at least I am benefiting from this. My company has a strict "no woke" policy, and due to that, I get highly skilled people to work for me as consultants who would throw up if they had to work for big IT with their woke ideology! =) I use opensuse at the moment, but based on what I've read they've gone woke. So next time I reinstall it is probably time to change. Based on very shallow research it looks as if perhaps Alpine linux and Freebsd might be two communities who don't explicitly reject conservatives. > > I'm using Debian, and I haven't seen anything overtly political, but > then, I haven't looked into it that deep. Ah, maybe that could be another haven perhaps!
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| From | Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> |
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| Date | 2024-07-05 02:15 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnv8elqo.a1b.rotflol2@geidiprime.bvh> |
| In reply to | #56651 |
On 2024-07-04, D <nospam@example.net> wrote: > > > On Thu, 4 Jul 2024, Borax Man wrote: > >> ["Followup-To:" header set to comp.os.linux.misc.] >> On 2024-07-04, D <nospam@example.net> wrote: >>> >>> >>> On Wed, 3 Jul 2024, RabidPedagog wrote: >>> >>>> On 2024-07-03 6:05 p.m., SugarBug wrote: >>>>> NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, >>>>> forces abdication of founder >>>>> >>>>> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40870314 >>>>> >>>>> I found a youtube version of this article being read by a gray-bearded >>>>> tech nerd with a Hawaiian shirt: https://youtu.be/KsDYul3J3Dc >>>>> >>>>> Maybe I should pop a pineapple pizza in the oven and watch the drama. >>>> >>>> Darn, I thought I was the first to post this. >>> >>> Are there any non-political distributions to switch to? Since I'm a free >>> speech extremist I'm against all projects that ban conservative, nazis and >>> communists who contribute. >> >> Most people in "tech" seem to be insufferable progressives. >> Unfortunately people now seem to think that everything they touch, and >> everything they get involved in, needs to be "activist". What >> distribution are you using at the moment? > > Sigh, yes this is true. But, at least I am benefiting from this. My > company has a strict "no woke" policy, and due to that, I get highly > skilled people to work for me as consultants who would throw up if they > had to work for big IT with their woke ideology! =) > > I use opensuse at the moment, but based on what I've read they've gone > woke. So next time I reinstall it is probably time to change. > > Based on very shallow research it looks as if perhaps Alpine linux and > Freebsd might be two communities who don't explicitly reject > conservatives. > >> >> I'm using Debian, and I haven't seen anything overtly political, but >> then, I haven't looked into it that deep. > > Ah, maybe that could be another haven perhaps! Double check FreeBSD. I thought they signed up to the woke "Contributor Covenant" if I recall correctly. That CoC is an explicitely political and divisive CoC which is specifically designed, as stated by its very own creator, to end "meritocracy". People that don't know better let these wolves in sheeps clothing into their organisation and poison it.
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| From | D <nospam@example.net> |
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| Date | 2024-07-05 12:26 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <fa7aec55-f71a-26eb-d4fe-3a2a756ebef4@example.net> |
| In reply to | #56657 |
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On Fri, 5 Jul 2024, Borax Man wrote:
> On 2024-07-04, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 4 Jul 2024, Borax Man wrote:
>>
>>> ["Followup-To:" header set to comp.os.linux.misc.]
>>> On 2024-07-04, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, 3 Jul 2024, RabidPedagog wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2024-07-03 6:05 p.m., SugarBug wrote:
>>>>>> NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors,
>>>>>> forces abdication of founder
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40870314
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I found a youtube version of this article being read by a gray-bearded
>>>>>> tech nerd with a Hawaiian shirt: https://youtu.be/KsDYul3J3Dc
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe I should pop a pineapple pizza in the oven and watch the drama.
>>>>>
>>>>> Darn, I thought I was the first to post this.
>>>>
>>>> Are there any non-political distributions to switch to? Since I'm a free
>>>> speech extremist I'm against all projects that ban conservative, nazis and
>>>> communists who contribute.
>>>
>>> Most people in "tech" seem to be insufferable progressives.
>>> Unfortunately people now seem to think that everything they touch, and
>>> everything they get involved in, needs to be "activist". What
>>> distribution are you using at the moment?
>>
>> Sigh, yes this is true. But, at least I am benefiting from this. My
>> company has a strict "no woke" policy, and due to that, I get highly
>> skilled people to work for me as consultants who would throw up if they
>> had to work for big IT with their woke ideology! =)
>>
>> I use opensuse at the moment, but based on what I've read they've gone
>> woke. So next time I reinstall it is probably time to change.
>>
>> Based on very shallow research it looks as if perhaps Alpine linux and
>> Freebsd might be two communities who don't explicitly reject
>> conservatives.
>>
>>>
>>> I'm using Debian, and I haven't seen anything overtly political, but
>>> then, I haven't looked into it that deep.
>>
>> Ah, maybe that could be another haven perhaps!
>
> Double check FreeBSD. I thought they signed up to the woke "Contributor
> Covenant" if I recall correctly. That CoC is an explicitely political
> and divisive CoC which is specifically designed, as stated by its very
> own creator, to end "meritocracy". People that don't know better let
> these wolves in sheeps clothing into their organisation and poison it.
Thank you for the warning! Let me have a look...
This is what they have:
be friendly and patient,
be welcoming,
be considerate,
be respectful,
be careful in the words that you choose and be kind to others,
when we disagree, try to understand why.
I see nothing wrong with that... continued...
Be careful in the words that you choose and be kind to others. Do not
insult or put down other participants. Harassment and other exclusionary
behavior aren’t acceptable. This includes, but is not limited to:
Violent threats or language directed against another person.
Discriminatory jokes and language.
Posting sexually explicit or violent material.
Posting (or threatening to post) other people’s personally identifying
information ("doxing").
Personal insults, especially those using racist or sexist terms.
Unwelcome sexual attention.
Advocating for, or encouraging, any of the above behavior.
I can live with the above, _however_, the proof of the pudding is in the
eating. If conservatives and libertarians have beenkicked out of the
project, while homos and trans people stay after rubbing peoples faces in
their weirdness, then it is apparent that the above is only directed
against some isms and not others.
So I've seen worse than Freebsd, but it does have a slight bias against
pro-trans people at the expense of conservative although it is not that
pronouced I'd say.
In terms of other BSDs I think the most hardcore tech-focused as in "shut
up and code" might be OpenBSD. I doubt they've had many trans-battles
there due to their benevolent dictator for life setup.
Too bad they have a crappy filesystems, otherwise Openbsd could be a nice
project to join as well.
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| From | Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> |
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| Date | 2024-07-06 03:42 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnv8hf8o.coo.rotflol2@geidiprime.bvh> |
| In reply to | #56661 |
On 2024-07-05, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
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> On Fri, 5 Jul 2024, Borax Man wrote:
>
>> On 2024-07-04, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, 4 Jul 2024, Borax Man wrote:
>>>
>>>> ["Followup-To:" header set to comp.os.linux.misc.]
>>>> On 2024-07-04, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 3 Jul 2024, RabidPedagog wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2024-07-03 6:05 p.m., SugarBug wrote:
>>>>>>> NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors,
>>>>>>> forces abdication of founder
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40870314
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I found a youtube version of this article being read by a gray-bearded
>>>>>>> tech nerd with a Hawaiian shirt: https://youtu.be/KsDYul3J3Dc
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Maybe I should pop a pineapple pizza in the oven and watch the drama.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Darn, I thought I was the first to post this.
>>>>>
>>>>> Are there any non-political distributions to switch to? Since I'm a free
>>>>> speech extremist I'm against all projects that ban conservative, nazis and
>>>>> communists who contribute.
>>>>
>>>> Most people in "tech" seem to be insufferable progressives.
>>>> Unfortunately people now seem to think that everything they touch, and
>>>> everything they get involved in, needs to be "activist". What
>>>> distribution are you using at the moment?
>>>
>>> Sigh, yes this is true. But, at least I am benefiting from this. My
>>> company has a strict "no woke" policy, and due to that, I get highly
>>> skilled people to work for me as consultants who would throw up if they
>>> had to work for big IT with their woke ideology! =)
>>>
>>> I use opensuse at the moment, but based on what I've read they've gone
>>> woke. So next time I reinstall it is probably time to change.
>>>
>>> Based on very shallow research it looks as if perhaps Alpine linux and
>>> Freebsd might be two communities who don't explicitly reject
>>> conservatives.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm using Debian, and I haven't seen anything overtly political, but
>>>> then, I haven't looked into it that deep.
>>>
>>> Ah, maybe that could be another haven perhaps!
>>
>> Double check FreeBSD. I thought they signed up to the woke "Contributor
>> Covenant" if I recall correctly. That CoC is an explicitely political
>> and divisive CoC which is specifically designed, as stated by its very
>> own creator, to end "meritocracy". People that don't know better let
>> these wolves in sheeps clothing into their organisation and poison it.
>
> Thank you for the warning! Let me have a look...
>
> This is what they have:
>
> be friendly and patient,
> be welcoming,
> be considerate,
> be respectful,
> be careful in the words that you choose and be kind to others,
> when we disagree, try to understand why.
>
> I see nothing wrong with that... continued...
>
> Be careful in the words that you choose and be kind to others. Do not
> insult or put down other participants. Harassment and other exclusionary
> behavior aren¢t acceptable. This includes, but is not limited to:
>
> Violent threats or language directed against another person.
> Discriminatory jokes and language.
> Posting sexually explicit or violent material.
> Posting (or threatening to post) other people¢s personally identifying
> information ("doxing").
> Personal insults, especially those using racist or sexist terms.
> Unwelcome sexual attention.
> Advocating for, or encouraging, any of the above behavior.
>
> I can live with the above, _however_, the proof of the pudding is in the
> eating. If conservatives and libertarians have beenkicked out of the
> project, while homos and trans people stay after rubbing peoples faces in
> their weirdness, then it is apparent that the above is only directed
> against some isms and not others.
>
> So I've seen worse than Freebsd, but it does have a slight bias against
> pro-trans people at the expense of conservative although it is not that
> pronouced I'd say.
>
> In terms of other BSDs I think the most hardcore tech-focused as in "shut
> up and code" might be OpenBSD. I doubt they've had many trans-battles
> there due to their benevolent dictator for life setup.
>
> Too bad they have a crappy filesystems, otherwise Openbsd could be a nice
> project to join as well.
The problem is that these are the thin edge of the wedge. Activists
insert these, so they can militantly enforce them. The FreeBSD one
isn't too far from the Covenant Code.
Take for instance
> In addition, violations of this code outside these spaces may, in rare cases, affect a person’s ability to participate within them, when the conduct amounts to an egregious violation of this code.
This means that something you say, on your own terms, on your own
platform, can get you kicked off. They say "rare", but we've seen this
before, where someone gets hammered because they support a value or
position which is seen to not be welcoming to all the people in the "Be
Welcoming" section. Did you say you were for border control on Twitter
using your own personal handle? That is not welcoming to those of every
"immigration status".
These codes may be harmless, amongst reasonable people, but get an SJW
in the organisation, and they become weaponized.
The Code should ideally, just tell you what gets you kicked out, a
simple list of rules of what is a definite no-go, rather than a vague
call for good behaviour. Why bring religion, sexual orientation,
immigration status, etc, EXPLICITELY into it? Also, the fact they use
"immigration status" is telling, that is clearly a far-left position.
Some people don't accept illegal immigration, or consider homosexuality
moral, or approve of certain religions, etc, that is their right. Just
don't allow these subjects to be discussed. Instead, you're supposed to
assume a "welcoming" position, which presumes participants have adopted
a specific, lets say, progressive Silicon Valley set of morals.
People should have the right to think freely, and express themselves. I
see no issue with a code that says "don't talk
politics/religion/sexuality in this technical forum", but increasingly
we are seeing organisations have conduct codes that *presume* certain
values and require everyone to adhere to those values.
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| From | D <nospam@example.net> |
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| Date | 2024-07-06 12:50 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <0b8e27c7-6ec6-222b-bf7a-6057f4516b94@example.net> |
| In reply to | #56678 |
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On Sat, 6 Jul 2024, Borax Man wrote:
>> In terms of other BSDs I think the most hardcore tech-focused as in "shut
>> up and code" might be OpenBSD. I doubt they've had many trans-battles
>> there due to their benevolent dictator for life setup.
>>
>> Too bad they have a crappy filesystems, otherwise Openbsd could be a nice
>> project to join as well.
>
> The problem is that these are the thin edge of the wedge. Activists
> insert these, so they can militantly enforce them. The FreeBSD one
> isn't too far from the Covenant Code.
...
> People should have the right to think freely, and express themselves. I
> see no issue with a code that says "don't talk
> politics/religion/sexuality in this technical forum", but increasingly
> we are seeing organisations have conduct codes that *presume* certain
> values and require everyone to adhere to those values.
Yes, you make a good point. That's what I meant with my proof of the
pudding comment. As you say, looks fairly harmless on the surface, but
you can detect a leftist undercurrent and as you say, it can explode in
your face.
As for OpenBSD I cannot find anything except perhaps this:
Does OpenBSD has a Code Of Conduct?
No and there is no known plan of having one.
This is a topic upsetting OpenBSD people, just don’t ask about it and send patches.
https://dataswamp.org/~solene/2018-03-16-openbsd-unofficial-faq.html
Looks very promising! =)
And also something here:
https://www.mail-archive.com/misc@openbsd.org/msg167105.html
I believe OpenBSD's code of conduct can be summed up as "if you are the
type of person who needs a code of conduct to teach to you how to human
then you are not welcome here".
At least I hope so.
Matthew
I always thought it could be summed up as "Don't piss off Theo". ;-)
... :)
He's setting a standard. So I don't have to worry about talking freely
about what I think here. And that's just one reason why I try to
migrate my machines to OpenBSD ...
And one of the first things I do when looking at software, and whether
it's useful for my needs or not: Are those who write it adults or are
they whinies with problems regarding understandable speech? I'm
trying to keep the latter mostly at safe distances from me, and I
tend to avoid their code getting installed onto my machines ...
So that's another reason I'm glad Theo de Raadt is setting a certain
standard here ...
So yes, for sure: "Don't piss off Theo". And no smiley.
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| From | Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> |
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| Date | 2024-07-07 09:28 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnv8knu2.r6j.rotflol2@geidiprime.bvh> |
| In reply to | #56690 |
On 2024-07-06, D <nospam@example.net> wrote: > This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, > while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. > > --8323328-1723170610-1720263024=:17764 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT > > > > On Sat, 6 Jul 2024, Borax Man wrote: > >>> In terms of other BSDs I think the most hardcore tech-focused as in "shut >>> up and code" might be OpenBSD. I doubt they've had many trans-battles >>> there due to their benevolent dictator for life setup. >>> >>> Too bad they have a crappy filesystems, otherwise Openbsd could be a nice >>> project to join as well. >> >> The problem is that these are the thin edge of the wedge. Activists >> insert these, so they can militantly enforce them. The FreeBSD one >> isn't too far from the Covenant Code. > ... >> People should have the right to think freely, and express themselves. I >> see no issue with a code that says "don't talk >> politics/religion/sexuality in this technical forum", but increasingly >> we are seeing organisations have conduct codes that *presume* certain >> values and require everyone to adhere to those values. > > Yes, you make a good point. That's what I meant with my proof of the > pudding comment. As you say, looks fairly harmless on the surface, but > you can detect a leftist undercurrent and as you say, it can explode in > your face. > > As for OpenBSD I cannot find anything except perhaps this: > > Does OpenBSD has a Code Of Conduct? > > No and there is no known plan of having one. > > This is a topic upsetting OpenBSD people, just don’t ask about it and send patches. > > https://dataswamp.org/~solene/2018-03-16-openbsd-unofficial-faq.html > > Looks very promising! =) > > And also something here: > > https://www.mail-archive.com/misc@openbsd.org/msg167105.html > > I believe OpenBSD's code of conduct can be summed up as "if you are the > type of person who needs a code of conduct to teach to you how to human > then you are not welcome here". > > At least I hope so. > > Matthew > > > I always thought it could be summed up as "Don't piss off Theo". ;-) > > > ... :) > > He's setting a standard. So I don't have to worry about talking freely > about what I think here. And that's just one reason why I try to > migrate my machines to OpenBSD ... > > And one of the first things I do when looking at software, and whether > it's useful for my needs or not: Are those who write it adults or are > they whinies with problems regarding understandable speech? I'm > trying to keep the latter mostly at safe distances from me, and I > tend to avoid their code getting installed onto my machines ... > > So that's another reason I'm glad Theo de Raadt is setting a certain > standard here ... > Yes, thats the thing, these seem harmless, reasonable, nice. But they introduce a very different paradigm, the change seems subtle but it isn't. They are radically different to a code of conduct which just says "keep religion out of our forums". In a free society, we must accept we work with people who disagree with us, who have views which we don't support, and who may not approve of our lifestyle.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-07-07 11:33 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <v6dqtd$9l29$9@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #56727 |
On 07/07/2024 10:28, Borax Man wrote: > Yes, thats the thing, these seem harmless, reasonable, nice. But they > introduce a very different paradigm, the change seems subtle but it > isn't. You have reached the core feature of the Left/Marxist/woke modus operandi. It isn't about winning the argument, or coming up with solutions to problems,. it is about *changing the agenda* so that instead of talking about how to have clean water by investing in sewage treatment we are all talking about whether 'women with penises' are being 'oppressed by society'. And the terrifying thing is that people actually take this seriously. Because a succession of left wing movements have placed people in power whose mandate is not a functional secure society with resilient infrastructure, but a theocracy based on the Marxist metaphysics of 'soshul justiss' 'sustainability' 'equality' etc etc. Bollocks to equality. I hold it as self evidently true that all men are *not* created equal, and anyone who thinks they are or says they are is a either a moron or a charlatan, and if they were it would destroy civilization, as we would all be telephone sanitzers. And no one would be left tor write the next generation of buggy secure over complex GUIs... The reason for equality *under the law* is not because its morally just, but because its simpler and it works. We don't have to delve into moral quagmire of why someone raped or murdered. They did, and they thereby destabilised society, so they need to be removed from it. Its that simple -- "When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him." Jonathan Swift.
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-07-07 17:23 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <saAiO.22590$Q786.17152@fx10.iad> |
| In reply to | #56737 |
On 2024-07-07, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: > I hold it as self evidently true that all men are *not* created equal, > and anyone who thinks they are or says they are is a either a moron or > a charlatan, and if they were it would destroy civilization, as we would > all be telephone sanitzers. Ah, another Douglas Adams fan. If he wrote that book today he'd call them "social media influencers". > And no one would be left tor write the next > generation of buggy secure over complex GUIs... Good. Then maybe there'll be room for someone to write the solid, simple user interfaces that we really need. -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | We'll go down in history as \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | the first society that wouldn't X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | save itself because it wasn't / \ if you read it the right way. | cost-effective. -- Kurt Vonnegut
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| From | Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> |
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| Date | 2024-07-07 17:38 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <v6ejrb$bacr$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #56759 |
On Sun, 07 Jul 2024 17:23:36 +0000, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On 2024-07-07, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: > >> I hold it as self evidently true that all men are *not* created equal, >> and anyone who thinks they are or says they are is a either a moron or >> a charlatan, and if they were it would destroy civilization, as we would >> all be telephone sanitzers. > > Ah, another Douglas Adams fan. If he wrote that book today he'd call > them "social media influencers". But we all know what happened to the Golgafrinchan race after they shipped (among others) the telephone sanitizers off in the "B" ark. I doubt that "social media influencers" would provide the same health benefits as telephone sanitizers. >> And no one would be left tor write the next >> generation of buggy secure over complex GUIs... There's always Microsoft... > Good. Then maybe there'll be room for someone to write the solid, simple > user interfaces that we really need. Not likely; there's /always/ Microsoft :-( -- Lew Pitcher "In Skills We Trust"
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| From | D <nospam@example.net> |
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| Date | 2024-07-07 21:19 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <86c67485-fd74-6389-c595-01ee8876b7e4@example.net> |
| In reply to | #56737 |
On Sun, 7 Jul 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 07/07/2024 10:28, Borax Man wrote: >> Yes, thats the thing, these seem harmless, reasonable, nice. But they >> introduce a very different paradigm, the change seems subtle but it >> isn't. > > You have reached the core feature of the Left/Marxist/woke modus operandi. > > It isn't about winning the argument, or coming up with solutions to > problems,. it is about *changing the agenda* so that instead of talking about > how to have clean water by investing in sewage treatment we are all talking > about whether 'women with penises' are being 'oppressed by society'. > > And the terrifying thing is that people actually take this seriously. Because > a succession of left wing movements have placed people in power whose mandate > is not a functional secure society with resilient infrastructure, but a > theocracy based on the Marxist metaphysics of 'soshul justiss' > 'sustainability' 'equality' etc etc. This is the truth! It is obvious that there are two genders, male and female. It is obvious that due to biological reasons, one of those genders prefers technology and things, while the other prefers empathy and humans. That also explains why more men are in competitive situations. It is also as you say, obvious that we are not equal. However! The left have started to infiltrate schools and daycare centers. Where I used to live (sweden) marxism and gender identity is taught in some daycare centers and it is creeping into the schools. The rainbow flag, which represents these abominations, is waving high everywhere and with all of the above, any objective foundation for truth is disappearing. And as that happens, things becomes more polarized and everyone is the offended party, and discussion without objective truths becomes meaningless. If this continues, it could be the start of the decline of western civilization. Meanwhile russia and china are probably laughing and will pounce of the smoking remains of the western world if this ideology achieves hegemony.
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| From | Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2024-07-04 10:11 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <j8bd8jlj9iihcvjm7lu3mfj897lv0c1nsl@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #56643 |
D <nospam@example.net> wrote: >On Wed, 3 Jul 2024, RabidPedagog wrote: >> On 2024-07-03 6:05 p.m., SugarBug wrote: >> >>> NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, >>> forces abdication of founder >>> >>> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40870314 >>> >>> I found a youtube version of this article being read by a gray-bearded >>> tech nerd with a Hawaiian shirt: https://youtu.be/KsDYul3J3Dc >>> >>> Maybe I should pop a pineapple pizza in the oven and watch the drama. >> >> Darn, I thought I was the first to post this. > >Are there any non-political distributions to switch to? Since I'm a free >speech extremist I'm against all projects that ban conservative, nazis and >communists who contribute. I get you, but I'm a left-winger and I eat Chick-fil-A and Waffle House, I'm not gonna boycott them when they're so fuckin' good. I just use what I like, and keep politics for voting. -- Joel W. Crump Amendment XIV Section 1. [...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.
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| From | Bobbie Sellers <blissInSanFrancisco@mouse-potato.com> |
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| Date | 2024-07-04 09:12 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <v66hlj$2qnu1$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #56649 |
Hi Joel, On 7/4/24 07:11, Joel wrote: > D <nospam@example.net> wrote: >> On Wed, 3 Jul 2024, RabidPedagog wrote: >>> On 2024-07-03 6:05 p.m., SugarBug wrote: >>> >>>> NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, >>>> forces abdication of founder >>>> >>>> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40870314 >>>> >>>> I found a youtube version of this article being read by a gray-bearded >>>> tech nerd with a Hawaiian shirt: https://youtu.be/KsDYul3J3Dc >>>> >>>> Maybe I should pop a pineapple pizza in the oven and watch the drama. >>> >>> Darn, I thought I was the first to post this. >> >> Are there any non-political distributions to switch to? Since I'm a free >> speech extremist I'm against all projects that ban conservative, nazis and >> communists who contribute. PCLinuxOS bans all political speech from its User Forum. Except for systemd talk though most of us are there because we have a hate on for systemd. Perhaps undeserved. As far as the story about Activists banning non-Trans respecting individuals from projects, it may have happened but I doubt any transgender activists were really involved. A lot of the transgender parties I have known in my years were Technicians in one field or another and a solely technical project would have attractive. > > > I get you, but I'm a left-winger and I eat Chick-fil-A and Waffle > House, I'm not gonna boycott them when they're so fuckin' good. I > just use what I like, and keep politics for voting. > If I could eat wheat I might be interested if I could afford resturant prices. I am going to slice open one of my nearly $3.00 each Gluten Free Sourdough sandwich buns to celebrate the 4th of july and make myself a nice hamburger for a change from my usual fare. Left-winger? Does that mean you are only interested in the Chicken's Left wing. Kinky Culinary taste and expensive if you plan to have a full ration of protein from the chicken's left wing. But no I only jest. The Labor Movement brought us the 8 hour day and better pay for our time. The thing I cannot for the life of me understand is why some people think that all people having the same rights diminishes their rights. Special Rights for special people? Like billionaires who pay less taxes than their custodial personnel. bliss- Dell Precision 7730- PCLOS 2024.07- Linux 6.6.36- Plasma 5.27.11 -- b l i s s - S F 4 e v e r at D S L E x t r e m e dot com
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