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| Started by | TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> |
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| First post | 2026-05-30 22:28 +0000 |
| Last post | 2026-06-07 01:33 -0400 |
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The boring Linux habit that saves machines TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-05-30 22:28 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-30 23:51 -0400
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-05-31 04:23 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-31 02:26 -0400
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-05-31 06:41 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-31 03:37 -0400
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-05-31 07:46 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-06 08:55 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-06 12:07 +0200
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-06-06 10:14 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-06 13:06 +0200
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-06-06 11:12 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-07 02:45 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-07 05:13 -0400
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-06 18:30 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-06 20:49 +0200
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-07 02:00 -0400
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-06 09:07 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-07 02:11 -0400
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-06 09:10 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-07 02:15 -0400
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@usenet.mail.kapsi.fi> - 2026-06-01 12:20 +0300
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-06-01 09:38 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-02 02:20 -0400
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-06-02 11:08 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-02 23:58 -0400
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-06-04 11:47 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-04 11:57 -0400
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-06-05 12:53 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-05 17:35 +0100
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-06-05 16:42 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-06 00:06 -0400
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-06 10:35 +0100
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-07 03:35 -0400
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-07 13:39 +0100
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-07 14:41 +0100
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-08 00:04 -0400
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-08 09:34 +0100
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-08 18:08 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-08 21:24 +0100
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-09 01:46 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-09 03:09 -0400
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-09 11:17 +0100
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-10 01:33 -0400
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-10 11:53 +0100
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-10 18:52 +0200
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-10 21:47 +0100
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-11 02:58 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-11 01:36 -0400
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-11 11:46 +0100
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-11 17:15 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-11 07:52 +0100
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-11 11:52 +0100
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-06-11 18:47 +0200
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-12 12:00 +0100
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-11 16:59 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-12 12:02 +0100
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-12 18:21 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-13 13:58 +0100
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-11 16:55 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-11 01:16 -0400
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-11 06:28 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-11 11:42 +0100
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-11 16:41 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-11 11:40 +0100
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-11 17:35 +0000
[OT] TINA applied to political opponents (was: Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-12 09:35 +0100
Re: [OT] TINA applied to political opponents The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-12 12:07 +0100
Re: [OT] TINA applied to political opponents Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-12 14:18 +0000
Re: [OT] TINA applied to political opponents The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-12 16:46 +0100
Re: [OT] TINA applied to political opponents rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-12 19:02 +0000
Re: [OT] TINA applied to political opponents The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-13 14:00 +0100
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-12 02:52 -0400
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-12 12:20 +0100
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-12 18:16 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-13 03:52 -0400
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-13 13:56 +0100
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-13 13:53 +0100
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-13 01:46 -0400
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-13 06:20 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-13 03:54 -0400
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-13 14:06 +0100
[OT] Percetion of the USA abroad (was: Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-11 09:06 +0100
Re: [OT] Percetion of the USA abroad The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-11 12:03 +0100
Re: [OT] Percetion of the USA abroad rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-11 17:44 +0000
Re: [OT] Percetion of the USA abroad "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-11 21:18 +0200
Re: [OT] Percetion of the USA abroad The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-12 12:12 +0100
Re: [OT] Percetion of the USA abroad c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-13 01:27 -0400
Re: [OT] Percetion of the USA abroad rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-13 06:23 +0000
Re: [OT] Percetion of the USA abroad c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-13 04:01 -0400
Re: [OT] Percetion of the USA abroad (was: Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-11 17:40 +0000
Re: [OT] Percetion of the USA abroad The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-12 12:07 +0100
Re: [OT] Percetion of the USA abroad rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-12 19:17 +0000
Re: [OT] Percetion of the USA abroad The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-13 14:03 +0100
Re: [OT] Percetion of the USA abroad c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-13 00:58 -0400
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-10 19:22 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-10 21:48 +0100
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-11 00:57 -0400
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-11 06:27 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-09 18:28 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-09 02:54 -0400
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-09 01:27 -0400
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-09 10:57 +0200
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-06-07 08:00 -0700
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-07 16:35 +0100
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-07 23:48 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-08 00:53 +0100
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-08 08:26 +0100
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-08 23:06 -0400
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-08 00:11 -0400
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-09 17:42 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-06 10:39 +0100
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-07 03:44 -0400
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-05 23:55 -0400
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-06-06 09:40 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-07 02:47 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-07 13:58 +0200
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-07 20:40 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-07 23:39 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-07 23:00 -0400
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-08 04:36 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-08 02:30 -0400
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-08 09:19 +0100
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-08 23:53 -0400
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-08 14:23 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-09 02:28 -0400
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-09 18:24 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-10 02:40 -0400
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-10 19:17 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-11 00:56 -0400
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-11 06:24 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-08 18:08 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-08 22:42 +0200
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-09 00:45 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-09 01:44 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-09 03:08 -0400
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-09 11:07 +0200
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-10 01:03 -0400
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-10 10:43 +0200
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-10 10:52 +0200
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-11 00:33 -0400
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-11 06:03 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-11 02:42 -0400
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-11 17:26 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-11 11:31 +0200
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-12 02:37 -0400
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-12 18:13 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-13 03:46 -0400
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-09 18:31 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-10 03:16 -0400
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-08 09:54 +0100
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Eric Pozharski <apple.universe@posteo.net> - 2026-06-08 21:46 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-09 04:50 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-09 03:16 -0400
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-09 08:49 +0100
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-09 01:48 -0400
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-09 11:11 +0200
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-10 01:32 -0400
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-06-10 05:38 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-10 10:49 +0200
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-10 11:08 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-11 00:31 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-11 03:31 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-11 04:36 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-11 08:37 +0100
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-11 19:02 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-09 18:31 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-10 02:54 -0400
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-08 14:12 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-08 18:08 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-09 01:30 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-09 11:15 +0200
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-09 18:31 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-07 14:30 +0100
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-07 23:38 -0400
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-08 09:22 +0100
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-09 00:28 -0400
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-07 04:03 -0400
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-06 18:42 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-06 08:53 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-07 01:53 -0400
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-06 08:52 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-07 01:41 -0400
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-06 06:41 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-06 03:07 -0400
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-06 13:28 +0200
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-06 19:16 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-07 05:18 -0400
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-07 18:59 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-06-06 09:40 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-07 02:51 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-07 04:56 -0400
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-05-31 16:43 +0800
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-05-31 08:48 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-05-31 10:16 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-05-31 10:22 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-06 06:38 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-06 03:04 -0400
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-06 13:32 +0200
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-06-06 11:34 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-06 14:01 +0200
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-06-09 20:29 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-09 22:52 +0200
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-10 04:36 -0400
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-06-10 08:48 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-06 09:17 +0100
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-06-06 09:40 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-07 02:57 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-07 16:11 +0100
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-06-09 20:30 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-10 00:19 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-06-10 00:22 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-07 04:18 -0400
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-07 01:33 -0400
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| Date | 2026-06-11 00:33 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <5eGdndA1Et4Yp7f3nZ2dnZfqn_WdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #87795 |
On 6/10/26 04:43, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2026-06-10 07:03, c186282 wrote: >> On 6/9/26 05:07, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>> On 2026-06-09 09:08, c186282 wrote: >>>> On 6/8/26 21:44, rbowman wrote: >>>>> On Mon, 08 Jun 2026 18:08:09 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Yes, yes, 640K ought to be enough for anyone. >>>>>> But this was a Unix box - I was expecting a bit more common sense. >>>>> >>>>> Ah, the good old days when you linked VC++ with 5 different libraries >>>>> depending, tiny, small, medium, large, frigging huge. >>>> >>>> Heh ... we DID try the lower-end SCO UNIX on >>>> our new 'AT's. Alas it was both Too Expensive >>>> and Too Slow to really be useful. Not all that >>>> much software either. >>>> >>>> But it WAS interesting ... part of why I went >>>> to Linux as soon as possible. >>>> >>>> DOS, soon Win, had much nicer software. >>> >>> I find dos software nicer than Linux software. Editors, for instance. >>> When I started on Linux, I was surprised that ctrl-arrow would not >>> move a word to the left/right, for example. Tons of MsDOS text >>> software that had menus and mouse support. Linux in 1998 felt old. >> >> DOS 1.x ... I had to WRITE 'sensible' text editors. >> Even did one in ASM for kicks (was younger then). >> >> However I do kind of understand what you're talking >> about. Too much UNIX/Linux stuff was oriented towards >> 'academics' and related. Weird, unfriendly to use, >> non-intuitive. M$, for all its other faults, DID seem >> to "get it". Hell, even some latter CP/M apps were a >> lot more sensible than UNIX stuff. >> >> "Just hit this meaningless four-key combo to go to >> the next line ..." Sorry, NO !!! Wanna hit Down Arrow >> and it's just DONE. > > MsDOS editors would apply meanings to ctrl-down or alt-down. Like go > down a paragraph. > > >> >> Still have SOME of that MASM editor code somewhere, but >> not the entire product alas. It was kinda like "MousePad", >> which still beat the hell out of "edlin". Yes, there ARE >> still some here dedicated to those multi-combo-to-do- >> anything editors. That's THEIR choice. As much as possible >> I *disable* those so they won't come up even by accident. >> >> Anyway, despite temptations, we did not switch to SCO. >> Turned out to be a good thing. DID manage to avoid >> getting hooked on Apple stuff - saved a fortune and a >> life of servitude :-) > > I rejected Apple stuff very early. > > The student association at the uni made some deal with Amstrad, and we > could get an Amstrad PC with two flopies at a reasonable price. I asked > them what to choose, a PC or an Apple, and they said that with a PC they > could help me to get software used at uni (meaning pirated copies), and > that I could easily share stuff. > > So PC it was, in the Amstrad shape. 'Politics' (and Cheapness) ! :-) MAC and PC diverged - and never liked the Mac vibe. The PC world (and usually Linux) just seems to 'think' like I believe computers should think. Guess I'm "square". >> But, as said, some of the GOOD stuff about UNIX did get >> me to buy Linux when it first appeared. Lots of floppies. >> This was when in-house servers/networking were just >> becoming viable for "regular" biz. Linux made that stuff >> much better than DOS/Winders did and didn't try to bleed >> you for cash. > > > What I found dismal was the compilers. Coming from the world of Borland > IDEs, programming in C or Pascal was like going back twenty years. So I > did not... Turbo Pascal changed everything. Vastly more efficient and fun ! Showed how it COULD be. Have it in a DOS VM still - but it is kind of constrained to the 8/16 world. We need a "To_32/64" cross-compiler ! :-) Modern is the Lazarus/FPC environment - IF you can score sub-sub-versions of the various parts that will work together. BEST bet is their site, not current repos. Have had less success of late however. However I still write some stuff in Lazarus - quickest route to a decent working GUI app - and you can also just use it to make non-GUI FPC apps as well. If I have a good Python script that could use more tightening-up and speed ... I re-do it in Pascal. I like Pascal, seems "elegant" to me, 'speaks to the soul' perhaps. Will keep using it. Dr. Nick came up with something GOOD. ALSO have the old M$ Pascal and 'C' multi-pass compilers in that VM. Yes, they DO work and every once in awhile I write some little thing using them. But compared to a good development IDE they're terribly clunky. Have been TRYING to find a Modula-3 compiler - IDE or not - that will actually WORK in Linux. Two or three oft- mentioned ones but have NEVER been able to get them to do even a "Hello World" without a zillion weird errors. The Quebec one is most recommended, but still ... There's GNU M2 ... also odd ... but M3 was "better" and I still pref 'native compilers' over the GNU tricks. DID find a COBOL IDE ... gotta re-install it. Don't totally, or barely, love COBOL, but it doesn't hurt to keep yer hand in. "OpenCobolIDE" - last revision 10 years ago alas. Not too bad. For FORTRAN and 'D' and some others ... install CodeBlocks. Works most easily if you install the compilers first. Rather extensive IDE, almost TOO, that reminds of 'Visual' and the JetBrains products. Always use CodeBlocks when doing 'C'. Ah, try 'TCC' ... small, fast, suprisingly good and TIGHT. Of course there are still plenty of 'old' compilers, including 'B' - hey, it's ALMOST 'C' - and even its predecessors. Fun sometimes. 'Modern' like Rust ... mostly seem to be just less-readable versions of 'C' without any major advantages for my level of application. I'll do 'C'. MOST often do Python these days however, it's become very All-Purpose and has good string stuff. But it's not always "best" for EVERYTHING. Anyway, clearly we remember how clunky it COULD be - and how a few geniuses made that MUCH better. 2nd and 3rd-gen IDEs, you could get a lot of good stuff done FAST. Oh well, I've gone on too long .........
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-11 06:03 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n8v1d4F6jcgU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #87831 |
On Thu, 11 Jun 2026 00:33:40 -0400, c186282 wrote: > Turbo Pascal changed everything. Vastly more efficient and fun ! > Showed how it COULD be. Have it in a DOS VM still - but it is kind of > constrained to the 8/16 world. I was impressed by Turbo Pascal on CP/M -- the system, not the language itself. I also liked Borland's OWL and IDE for C++ Windows programming. C+ + Builder was a change in direction. Their dBase adventure didn't go well either.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-06-11 02:42 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <FBicnUQM2uprxbf3nZ2dnZfqn_qdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #87842 |
On 6/11/26 02:03, rbowman wrote: > On Thu, 11 Jun 2026 00:33:40 -0400, c186282 wrote: > >> Turbo Pascal changed everything. Vastly more efficient and fun ! >> Showed how it COULD be. Have it in a DOS VM still - but it is kind of >> constrained to the 8/16 world. > > I was impressed by Turbo Pascal on CP/M -- the system, not the language > itself. I also liked Borland's OWL and IDE for C++ Windows programming. C+ > + Builder was a change in direction. Their dBase adventure didn't go well > either. I actually like the language itself - STILL do. "Turbo-C++" by whatever names ... kinda stuck to the more traditional 'C'. Apparently SOME people STILL use Turbo-C ... but it's really not compatible with the latest gens of chips/systems. CodeBlocks and related can provide a good IDE for C/C++ development that IS compatible. Not AS easy as the Borland product, but Good Enough.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-11 17:26 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n909e8Fca6vU5@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #87847 |
On Thu, 11 Jun 2026 02:42:00 -0400, c186282 wrote: > CodeBlocks and related can provide a good IDE for C/C++ development > that IS compatible. Not AS easy as the Borland product, but Good > Enough. For Windows applications I used Visual C++, the path of least resistance. It's interesting that Charles Petzhold, who published 'Programming Windows 3.1' and continued with programming Windows xxx, disliked C++ so his books bypassed MFC and focused on using the API with C. He does like C# and used it, saying it was what should have been done all along. The Esri API was COM based C++ so I used VS for that. They eventually switched to C# too. I've done a few standalones with C++ using Vim just like C. I don't care much for the language so my code looks like 'C with Classes', mostly the container classes.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-11 11:31 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <qrbqfmx9me.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #87831 |
On 2026-06-11 06:33, c186282 wrote: > On 6/10/26 04:43, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> On 2026-06-10 07:03, c186282 wrote: >>> On 6/9/26 05:07, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>>> On 2026-06-09 09:08, c186282 wrote: >>>>> On 6/8/26 21:44, rbowman wrote: >>>>>> On Mon, 08 Jun 2026 18:08:09 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >> >> I rejected Apple stuff very early. >> >> The student association at the uni made some deal with Amstrad, and we >> could get an Amstrad PC with two flopies at a reasonable price. I >> asked them what to choose, a PC or an Apple, and they said that with a >> PC they could help me to get software used at uni (meaning pirated >> copies), and that I could easily share stuff. >> >> So PC it was, in the Amstrad shape. > > 'Politics' (and Cheapness) ! :-) > > MAC and PC diverged - and never liked the Mac vibe. > The PC world (and usually Linux) just seems to 'think' > like I believe computers should think. Guess I'm "square". > >>> But, as said, some of the GOOD stuff about UNIX did get >>> me to buy Linux when it first appeared. Lots of floppies. >>> This was when in-house servers/networking were just >>> becoming viable for "regular" biz. Linux made that stuff >>> much better than DOS/Winders did and didn't try to bleed >>> you for cash. >> >> >> What I found dismal was the compilers. Coming from the world of >> Borland IDEs, programming in C or Pascal was like going back twenty >> years. So I did not... > > > Turbo Pascal changed everything. Vastly more efficient > and fun ! Showed how it COULD be. Have it in a DOS VM > still - but it is kind of constrained to the 8/16 world. > > We need a "To_32/64" cross-compiler ! :-) > > Modern is the Lazarus/FPC environment - IF you can score But it took almost two decades to come to the level Borland had by 1997. And no C IDE. > sub-sub-versions of the various parts that will work > together. BEST bet is their site, not current repos. Have > had less success of late however. However I still write > some stuff in Lazarus - quickest route to a decent working > GUI app - and you can also just use it to make non-GUI FPC > apps as well. > > If I have a good Python script that could use more tightening-up > and speed ... I re-do it in Pascal. I like Pascal, seems "elegant" > to me, 'speaks to the soul' perhaps. Will keep using it. Dr. Nick > came up with something GOOD. > > ALSO have the old M$ Pascal and 'C' multi-pass compilers > in that VM. Yes, they DO work and every once in awhile I > write some little thing using them. But compared to a > good development IDE they're terribly clunky. > > Have been TRYING to find a Modula-3 compiler - IDE or not - > that will actually WORK in Linux. Two or three oft- > mentioned ones but have NEVER been able to get them to > do even a "Hello World" without a zillion weird errors. > The Quebec one is most recommended, but still ... > > There's GNU M2 ... also odd ... but M3 was "better" > and I still pref 'native compilers' over the GNU tricks. > > DID find a COBOL IDE ... gotta re-install it. Don't > totally, or barely, love COBOL, but it doesn't hurt to > keep yer hand in. "OpenCobolIDE" - last revision 10 > years ago alas. Not too bad. > > For FORTRAN and 'D' and some others ... install CodeBlocks. > Works most easily if you install the compilers first. Rather > extensive IDE, almost TOO, that reminds of 'Visual' and > the JetBrains products. Always use CodeBlocks when doing 'C'. > Ah, try 'TCC' ... small, fast, suprisingly good and TIGHT. > > Of course there are still plenty of 'old' compilers, including > 'B' - hey, it's ALMOST 'C' - and even its predecessors. Fun > sometimes. > > 'Modern' like Rust ... mostly seem to be just less-readable > versions of 'C' without any major advantages for my level > of application. I'll do 'C'. > > MOST often do Python these days however, it's become very > All-Purpose and has good string stuff. But it's not always > "best" for EVERYTHING. > > Anyway, clearly we remember how clunky it COULD be - and how > a few geniuses made that MUCH better. 2nd and 3rd-gen IDEs, > you could get a lot of good stuff done FAST. > > Oh well, I've gone on too long ......... > :-) -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-06-12 02:37 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <S8adnajol5i8NLb3nZ2dnZfqn_GdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #87857 |
On 6/11/26 05:31, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2026-06-11 06:33, c186282 wrote: >> On 6/10/26 04:43, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>> On 2026-06-10 07:03, c186282 wrote: >>>> On 6/9/26 05:07, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>>>> On 2026-06-09 09:08, c186282 wrote: >>>>>> On 6/8/26 21:44, rbowman wrote: >>>>>>> On Mon, 08 Jun 2026 18:08:09 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > > >>> >>> I rejected Apple stuff very early. >>> >>> The student association at the uni made some deal with Amstrad, and >>> we could get an Amstrad PC with two flopies at a reasonable price. I >>> asked them what to choose, a PC or an Apple, and they said that with >>> a PC they could help me to get software used at uni (meaning pirated >>> copies), and that I could easily share stuff. >>> >>> So PC it was, in the Amstrad shape. >> >> 'Politics' (and Cheapness) ! :-) >> >> MAC and PC diverged - and never liked the Mac vibe. >> The PC world (and usually Linux) just seems to 'think' >> like I believe computers should think. Guess I'm "square". >> >>>> But, as said, some of the GOOD stuff about UNIX did get >>>> me to buy Linux when it first appeared. Lots of floppies. >>>> This was when in-house servers/networking were just >>>> becoming viable for "regular" biz. Linux made that stuff >>>> much better than DOS/Winders did and didn't try to bleed >>>> you for cash. >>> >>> >>> What I found dismal was the compilers. Coming from the world of >>> Borland IDEs, programming in C or Pascal was like going back twenty >>> years. So I did not... >> >> >> Turbo Pascal changed everything. Vastly more efficient >> and fun ! Showed how it COULD be. Have it in a DOS VM >> still - but it is kind of constrained to the 8/16 world. >> >> We need a "To_32/64" cross-compiler ! :-) >> >> Modern is the Lazarus/FPC environment - IF you can score > > But it took almost two decades to come to the level Borland had by 1997. > > And no C IDE. Now mostly use "CodeBlocks", on Linux. M$ ... not sure WHAT they have now, "Visual" something ? These are, alas, more complicated than they NEED to be. >> sub-sub-versions of the various parts that will work >> together. BEST bet is their site, not current repos. Have >> had less success of late however. However I still write >> some stuff in Lazarus - quickest route to a decent working >> GUI app - and you can also just use it to make non-GUI FPC >> apps as well. >> >> If I have a good Python script that could use more tightening-up >> and speed ... I re-do it in Pascal. I like Pascal, seems "elegant" >> to me, 'speaks to the soul' perhaps. Will keep using it. Dr. Nick >> came up with something GOOD. >> >> ALSO have the old M$ Pascal and 'C' multi-pass compilers >> in that VM. Yes, they DO work and every once in awhile I >> write some little thing using them. But compared to a >> good development IDE they're terribly clunky. >> >> Have been TRYING to find a Modula-3 compiler - IDE or not - >> that will actually WORK in Linux. Two or three oft- >> mentioned ones but have NEVER been able to get them to >> do even a "Hello World" without a zillion weird errors. >> The Quebec one is most recommended, but still ... >> >> There's GNU M2 ... also odd ... but M3 was "better" >> and I still pref 'native compilers' over the GNU tricks. >> >> DID find a COBOL IDE ... gotta re-install it. Don't >> totally, or barely, love COBOL, but it doesn't hurt to >> keep yer hand in. "OpenCobolIDE" - last revision 10 >> years ago alas. Not too bad. >> >> For FORTRAN and 'D' and some others ... install CodeBlocks. >> Works most easily if you install the compilers first. Rather >> extensive IDE, almost TOO, that reminds of 'Visual' and >> the JetBrains products. Always use CodeBlocks when doing 'C'. >> Ah, try 'TCC' ... small, fast, suprisingly good and TIGHT. >> >> Of course there are still plenty of 'old' compilers, including >> 'B' - hey, it's ALMOST 'C' - and even its predecessors. Fun >> sometimes. >> >> 'Modern' like Rust ... mostly seem to be just less-readable >> versions of 'C' without any major advantages for my level >> of application. I'll do 'C'. >> >> MOST often do Python these days however, it's become very >> All-Purpose and has good string stuff. But it's not always >> "best" for EVERYTHING. >> >> Anyway, clearly we remember how clunky it COULD be - and how >> a few geniuses made that MUCH better. 2nd and 3rd-gen IDEs, >> you could get a lot of good stuff done FAST. >> >> Oh well, I've gone on too long ......... >> > > :-) Hey, I *admit* I can go on and on .....
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-12 18:13 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n930ibFprtfU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #87883 |
On Fri, 12 Jun 2026 02:37:52 -0400, c186282 wrote: > Now mostly use "CodeBlocks", on Linux. M$ ... not sure WHAT they have > now, "Visual" something ? These are, alas, more complicated than they > NEED to be. That's one I never heard of. It gets decent reviews, particularly for beginners. https://www.softwareadvice.com/app-development/code-blocks-profile/ reviews/ Popularity contests are always suspect but VS Code gets a lot of attention. https://medium.com/adl-blog/what-makes-visual-studio-code-so- popular-54206c386503 There are extensions for almost anything you can think of. Codium and OSS Code are derived from the open source without the MS telemetry. The downside is they do not use the Microsoft repository. I was able to install a CircuitPython extension by editing what amounts to the repo list. It mostly worked but autocompletion and syntax highlighting didn't. It works fine in VS Code.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-06-13 03:46 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <MY6cnV5K1r1al7D3nZ2dnZfqn_EAAAAA@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #87905 |
On 6/12/26 14:13, rbowman wrote: > On Fri, 12 Jun 2026 02:37:52 -0400, c186282 wrote: > >> Now mostly use "CodeBlocks", on Linux. M$ ... not sure WHAT they have >> now, "Visual" something ? These are, alas, more complicated than they >> NEED to be. > > That's one I never heard of. It gets decent reviews, particularly for > beginners. > > https://www.softwareadvice.com/app-development/code-blocks-profile/ > reviews/ Code::Blocks is pretty damned good - which is why I use it as a default. However it HAS added maybe too much "team" stuff over the past few years. This adds a lot of complication at many levels. However STILL better than some of the alts. Practical note - install every compiler you may ever want to use FIRST - and THEN CodeBlocks. When it first starts it scans for what's there and will set up a lot of useful defaults and menu options. Tried "Visual" - it's even MORE complicated. Works, but too complicated. Also hate that it's M$ SOME developers work in 'teams', each on their own little facet. However many apps it's just ONE person. WISH there was an "I'm not a team" checkbox that would turn off most of that other bullshit. Anyway, CodeBlocks can deal with multiple kinds of 'C' (take note of little 'tcc' - small fast and tight, good for 'utilities'). Also does FORTRAN and even 'D'. Always install 'D' even though I'll probably never use it - does not seem to be much advantage over 'C', just weirder syntax. 'Rust' and friends ... NO ... 'C' !!! > Popularity contests are always suspect but VS Code gets a lot of > attention. > > https://medium.com/adl-blog/what-makes-visual-studio-code-so- > popular-54206c386503 > > There are extensions for almost anything you can think of. Codium and OSS > Code are derived from the open source without the MS telemetry. > > The downside is they do not use the Microsoft repository. I was able to > install a CircuitPython extension by editing what amounts to the repo > list. It mostly worked but autocompletion and syntax highlighting didn't. > It works fine in VS Code. Hmm ... more complicated than I like. LOVED the old "Turbo" environments. Very focused. No eye candy. Assumed *you* were doing it all. Never had an equiv at my place during my whole career beyond the earliest days - but he dropped dead. WAS smarter, but also too trained in the "planning"/"structure" thing that had kinda died by the early 80s. My output was a few times higher and just as functional. Issue .. GO for it !!! Hmm ... we worked on a database ... lots of custom functions and odd, but needed, structures. He'd then suddenly suggest altering something and I'd have to kinda passionately say how it'd totally blow the past six months of work for no really obvious gains and specify details. Fortunately I'd argue just well enough for the old boss to kinda understand what I was talking about. He was not a programmer, but WAS smart and wise. So, anyway, no "team". Me -vs- The World. FUN ! My "job" was FUN - software AND some hardware and a few other odd things, mostly involving heavy electrical shit. Have the great pleasure of saying that I kinda never "worked" a day in my life there. Always a new, interesting, little challenge. Few get to say that. Need a smart control panel for a 100 HP 3-phase motor application - KNOW it down to the wires and little parts and safety ops. Just another kind of "programming" - "relay logic" - IF, THEN, AND, OR, NOT ......... Can also fix yer plumbing, roof, saw wood, work metal, most anything - "New World Handy-Man". Now retired. Wish them all Good Luck, but not so confident. The new paradigm seems to be "Make Sure We Can Blame Fails on SOMEONE ELSE". I understand the political 'logic', but that's really not How To Do It.
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-09 18:31 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <f_YVR.65226$GKib.62467@fx12.iad> |
| In reply to | #87708 |
On 2026-06-09, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: > On Mon, 08 Jun 2026 18:08:09 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > >> Yes, yes, 640K ought to be enough for anyone. >> But this was a Unix box - I was expecting a bit more common sense. > > Ah, the good old days when you linked VC++ with 5 different libraries > depending, tiny, small, medium, large, frigging huge. And then there were the tricks you had to do when dealing with arrays larger than 64K. I had a lot of ugly pointer normalization and byte-by-byte copying code that I was only too glad to rip out when we got past those models. -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | No artificial \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | intelligence was X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | used in the creation / \ if you read it the right way. | of this post.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-06-10 03:16 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <p0-dnQTPWuT_krT3nZ2dnZfqnPSdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #87748 |
On 6/9/26 14:31, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On 2026-06-09, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: > >> On Mon, 08 Jun 2026 18:08:09 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >> >>> Yes, yes, 640K ought to be enough for anyone. >>> But this was a Unix box - I was expecting a bit more common sense. >> >> Ah, the good old days when you linked VC++ with 5 different libraries >> depending, tiny, small, medium, large, frigging huge. > > And then there were the tricks you had to do when dealing > with arrays larger than 64K. I had a lot of ugly pointer > normalization and byte-by-byte copying code that I was > only too glad to rip out when we got past those models. Yea ... WASN'T so easy back then ! :-) BUT, the IBM-PC and friends WERE The Future. OK, also Apple ... but .........
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| From | Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-08 09:54 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <1105vvm$32n5j$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #87680 |
On 2026-06-08, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On 2026-06-08, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: > >> By the time 8+3 became 12+3 became 128/256/1024 then naming >> constraints disappeared. Alas, esp M$, they TOTALLY disappeared. > > Ah yes, good old MICROS~1.. I eagerly anticipate the day Microsoft is ordered to split up following some antitrust ruling, if only because then one could propose the split-up parts be named MICROS~1,MICROS~2,...,MICROS~N. >> Several functionaries tended to use the entire first sentence of >> their docs as the file name - cut-n-paste ! :-) > > I once read in a description of the early Mac that said > "you could write a letter to Grandma in the file name". Any chance this is automated behaviour from the document editor? I seem to recall Word doing something like setting the Title or Subject in metadata to the initial text. But memory may be playing tricks &c.; no WINWORD here so I can't test right now. -- Nuno Silva
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| From | Eric Pozharski <apple.universe@posteo.net> |
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| Date | 2026-06-08 21:46 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrn112ee2f.m8j.apple.universe@freight.zombinet> |
| In reply to | #87692 |
with <1105vvm$32n5j$3@dont-email.me> Nuno Silva wrote: > On 2026-06-08, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >> On 2026-06-08, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: *SKIP* [ 9 lines 3 levels deep] >>> Several functionaries tended to use the entire first sentence of >>> their docs as the file name - cut-n-paste ! :-) >> I once read in a description of the early Mac that said "you could >> write a letter to Grandma in the file name". > Any chance this is automated behaviour from the document editor? I > seem to recall Word doing something like setting the Title or Subject > in metadata to the initial text. But memory may be playing tricks &c.; > no WINWORD here so I can't test right now. Such endeavor would be hilarious (tricky part, is there WINE on x86_64 that will present i386 environment? but it's probably routine), you will need to go back for WW6.0; can't say anything about WW7.0; WW95 did something else (something like NONAME~1; didn't have to deal with it). My impression was: imagine result of filename generation starting from line consisting of 30 spaces and the word "APPROVED". At the end. -- Torvalds' goal for Linux is very simple: World Domination Stallman's goal for GNU is even simpler: Freedom
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-09 04:50 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <110862u$3nleh$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #87707 |
On Mon, 08 Jun 2026 21:46:55 +0000, Eric Pozharski wrote: > My impression was: imagine result of filename generation starting > from line consisting of 30 spaces and the word "APPROVED". At the > end. Only 30? Linux filesystems seem to have standardized on allowing 255 bytes in a file/directory name. Whereas some Windows utilities restrict the entire pathname to that length.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-06-09 03:16 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <zOCcnVNzd4hNILr3nZ2dnZfqn_ednZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #87718 |
On 6/9/26 00:50, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > On Mon, 08 Jun 2026 21:46:55 +0000, Eric Pozharski wrote: > >> My impression was: imagine result of filename generation starting >> from line consisting of 30 spaces and the word "APPROVED". At the >> end. > > Only 30? > > Linux filesystems seem to have standardized on allowing 255 bytes in a > file/directory name. > > Whereas some Windows utilities restrict the entire pathname to that > length. Did. NOW seems almost "unlimited" - at least 1024. More space to fuck things up.
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| From | Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-09 08:49 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <wwvqzmg9mr6.fsf@LkoBDZeT.terraraq.uk> |
| In reply to | #87718 |
Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> writes: > Eric Pozharski wrote: > >> My impression was: imagine result of filename generation starting >> from line consisting of 30 spaces and the word "APPROVED". At the >> end. > > Only 30? > > Linux filesystems seem to have standardized on allowing 255 bytes in a > file/directory name. Unless it’s an AF_UNIX socket, in which case you get 108 bytes including a 0 terminator for the whole sun_path. Which from time to time causes practical problems. -- https://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-06-09 01:48 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <I_qcncNV2ZW4NLr3nZ2dnZfqn_WdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #87692 |
On 6/8/26 04:54, Nuno Silva wrote: > On 2026-06-08, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > >> On 2026-06-08, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: >> >>> By the time 8+3 became 12+3 became 128/256/1024 then naming >>> constraints disappeared. Alas, esp M$, they TOTALLY disappeared. >> >> Ah yes, good old MICROS~1.. > > I eagerly anticipate the day Microsoft is ordered to split up following > some antitrust ruling, if only because then one could propose the > split-up parts be named MICROS~1,MICROS~2,...,MICROS~N. Bill Gates quickly LEARNED - to GREASE your political reps. All his 'trust' problems then instantly disappeared. That's how realpolitik works ... Machiavelli would totally understand. As for what's become "normal" for M$ ... that's been a very long evolution/devolution. Everybody WANTED long file names, then REALLY long file names, so they GOT it for better or worse. Now for us that have to COPE with that mess ... well .... As said somewhere ... a number of workers just took to copy/paste the first sentence - including 'invisible' chars - from their word processor docs as the file name. Too many of THEM, too few of ME ... had to just COPE. Oh well, "job security" I guess. The New Guys can't program their way out of a wet paper bag ... so they just use/pay-for the wunnerful M$ "solutions" and think that's a-OK. Can't really trash them too much, that's Just How It's Done these days. My gen was bits and bytes, theirs is a different world (that WILL bite 'em bad eventually). But they'll just blame it all on M$ ... butts saved. That's how it works now. Kinda tragic ....... WHEN Vlad/Xi/Kim and friends really GO for it ... global DOOM. They'll try to recruit us Old Guys but, well, just TOO Old now ...... I'll "advise" a bit, for $500 an hour :-)
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-09 11:11 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <mv1lfmxelh.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #87720 |
On 2026-06-09 07:48, c186282 wrote: > As said somewhere ... a number of workers just took to > copy/paste the first sentence - including 'invisible' > chars - from their word processor docs as the file name. > Too many of THEM, too few of ME ... had to just COPE. I seem to recall Libre Office or Open Office doing that automatically, as a suggestion. No special chars. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-06-10 01:32 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <1OKdnWDXId1La7X3nZ2dnZfqn_GdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #87736 |
On 6/9/26 05:11, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2026-06-09 07:48, c186282 wrote: >> As said somewhere ... a number of workers just took to >> copy/paste the first sentence - including 'invisible' >> chars - from their word processor docs as the file name. >> Too many of THEM, too few of ME ... had to just COPE. > > I seem to recall Libre Office or Open Office doing that automatically, > as a suggestion. No special chars. Hmm ... was using LibreOffice Writer just today - TRYING to coerce it into doing proper mailing envelopes. Limited success - and the docs were confusing. However it didn't offer to use the first sentence as the file name. Writer knew what a #10 envelope is, my printer knows what a #10 envelope is - but ........ had to do really ridiculous tweaks to the template just to get the addressee lines up into the right place. I think it chose some OTHER kind of envelope by default even if you TOLD it #10. Wanted super-nice/clear address for the US Govt Internal Revenue people. Never got good marks for penmanship in school and that's never improved :-) Bought a 'label machine' - found a mystery PPD file. Haven't dared trying it yet. Not factory supported. Nobody loves Linux ! :-( And I *won't* install Winderz. Last one I kind-of liked was Win2K. Don't think that'll even run on modern hardware. Dealing with Win at work was just torture - so much depth and breadth of complication just to accomplish something kinda stupid. DO have a Win-1.x install as a VM somewhere ! Also have the BYTE mag with a REVIEW of it :-) Clue, better stuff for the C64/128 at the time ...
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| From | TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> |
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| Date | 2026-06-10 05:38 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <4aee94ddda8d241b3ca5@dev.null> |
| In reply to | #87777 |
>On Wed, 10 Jun 2026 01:32:36 -0400, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: >On 6/9/26 05:11, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> On 2026-06-09 07:48, c186282 wrote: >>> As said somewhere ... a number of workers just took to >>> copy/paste the first sentence - including 'invisible' >>> chars - from their word processor docs as the file name. >>> Too many of THEM, too few of ME ... had to just COPE. >> >> I seem to recall Libre Office or Open Office doing that automatically, >> as a suggestion. No special chars. > > Hmm ... was using LibreOffice Writer just today - TRYING > to coerce it into doing proper mailing envelopes. > > Limited success - and the docs were confusing. > > However it didn't offer to use the first sentence as > the file name. > > Writer knew what a #10 envelope is, my printer knows > what a #10 envelope is - but ........ had to do really > ridiculous tweaks to the template just to get the > addressee lines up into the right place. I think it > chose some OTHER kind of envelope by default even if > you TOLD it #10. > > Wanted super-nice/clear address for the US Govt > Internal Revenue people. Never got good marks for > penmanship in school and that's never improved :-) > > Bought a 'label machine' - found a mystery PPD file. > Haven't dared trying it yet. Not factory supported. > Nobody loves Linux ! :-( > > And I *won't* install Winderz. Last one I kind-of > liked was Win2K. Don't think that'll even run on > modern hardware. Dealing with Win at work was just > torture - so much depth and breadth of complication > just to accomplish something kinda stupid. > > DO have a Win-1.x install as a VM somewhere ! > Also have the BYTE mag with a REVIEW of it :-) > Clue, better stuff for the C64/128 at the time ... For Writer envelopes I would avoid the wizard once it starts being clever. Make a small Writer document with the page style set to the real envelope size, then position the address block explicitly with margins/paragraph spacing. Save that as a template and print one or two sacrificial envelopes or plain sheets held over an envelope to check alignment. For the label printer, a safe first step is to inspect the PPD before letting CUPS use it. It is just text, so look for the *NickName, *ModelName, and PageSize entries and make sure they look like your printer/label stock. Then add it as a separate test queue in CUPS rather than replacing a working printer. Print a CUPS test page or a tiny text label first, not the important letter. Also check whether the printer speaks driverless IPP/AirPrint or a common language such as ZPL/EPL/ESC/POS. Some label machines work better through that route than through an old vendor PPD. -- TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> "I survived the great rm -rf / rehearsal and all I got was this .signature."
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-10 10:49 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <j1lnfmx239.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #87777 |
On 2026-06-10 07:32, c186282 wrote: > On 6/9/26 05:11, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> On 2026-06-09 07:48, c186282 wrote: >>> As said somewhere ... a number of workers just took to >>> copy/paste the first sentence - including 'invisible' >>> chars - from their word processor docs as the file name. >>> Too many of THEM, too few of ME ... had to just COPE. >> >> I seem to recall Libre Office or Open Office doing that automatically, >> as a suggestion. No special chars. Years ago, not now. I forgot to say. > > Hmm ... was using LibreOffice Writer just today - TRYING > to coerce it into doing proper mailing envelopes. > > Limited success - and the docs were confusing. > > However it didn't offer to use the first sentence as > the file name. > > Writer knew what a #10 envelope is, my printer knows > what a #10 envelope is - but ........ had to do really > ridiculous tweaks to the template just to get the > addressee lines up into the right place. I think it > chose some OTHER kind of envelope by default even if > you TOLD it #10. Printing envelopes is an art. I did manage to print envelopes, but from one time to the next I forgot the tricks. And I always fear the envelope will jam in my laserjet. So what I do is, I use envelopes with a transparent window, and a first page for the letter that matches that hole. > > Wanted super-nice/clear address for the US Govt > Internal Revenue people. Never got good marks for > penmanship in school and that's never improved :-) > > Bought a 'label machine' - found a mystery PPD file. > Haven't dared trying it yet. Not factory supported. > Nobody loves Linux ! :-( > > And I *won't* install Winderz. Last one I kind-of > liked was Win2K. Don't think that'll even run on > modern hardware. Dealing with Win at work was just > torture - so much depth and breadth of complication > just to accomplish something kinda stupid. > > DO have a Win-1.x install as a VM somewhere ! > Also have the BYTE mag with a REVIEW of it :-) > Clue, better stuff for the C64/128 at the time ... > :-) -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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