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| Started by | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| First post | 2026-05-26 02:21 -0400 |
| Last post | 2026-05-26 17:21 +0200 |
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Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-26 02:21 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-26 08:46 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-05-26 09:49 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-26 04:47 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-26 11:25 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-05-26 09:53 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-26 04:38 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-26 11:35 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-05-26 22:09 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-05-26 16:17 -0700
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-05-27 00:02 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-27 00:11 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-05-28 10:32 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-27 08:41 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-27 11:04 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-28 03:31 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-28 09:18 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-28 13:42 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-28 15:01 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-28 21:34 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-29 11:07 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-29 12:55 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-29 12:14 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-29 13:36 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-29 13:26 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-29 19:36 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-29 17:24 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-29 19:37 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-29 19:36 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-29 22:34 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-30 04:29 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-30 13:09 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-30 23:29 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival InterLinked <usenet@phreaknet.org> - 2026-05-31 21:45 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-01 12:15 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival InterLinked <usenet@phreaknet.org> - 2026-06-01 18:53 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-02 01:46 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-02 03:01 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-02 18:12 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-02 10:16 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-02 18:09 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-02 21:26 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-03 12:48 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-03 14:35 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-03 17:25 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-04 03:51 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-04 04:30 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-04 09:34 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-04 16:06 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-04 20:20 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-04 18:27 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-04 09:30 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-03 19:24 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-03 20:04 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-03 22:25 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-04 04:15 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-04 07:36 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-04 02:19 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-04 08:34 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-04 10:26 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-06-04 08:18 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-04 09:48 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-04 10:36 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-04 17:58 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-04 14:56 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-04 22:07 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-04 22:18 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-05 03:40 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-05 00:29 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-05 07:06 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-05 04:11 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-05 17:17 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-06 00:10 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-06 05:16 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-06 01:46 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-05 00:13 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-06-05 03:12 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-05 00:15 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-05 04:26 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-06-06 03:10 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-06 05:41 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-06 01:52 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-06 11:47 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-04 23:38 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-05 06:48 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-05 03:05 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-05 19:21 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-06 00:36 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-06 05:51 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-06 02:26 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-05 03:51 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-05 01:47 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-05 19:21 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-02 02:58 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-02 11:11 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-02 22:15 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival InterLinked <usenet@phreaknet.org> - 2026-06-02 22:32 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-03 02:33 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-03 11:57 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-03 14:40 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-04 09:31 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-05-29 04:30 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-29 01:34 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-29 06:36 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-31 00:38 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-05-31 05:09 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-31 03:10 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-05-31 07:14 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-01 00:49 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-06-01 04:57 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-01 03:20 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-01 19:45 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-01 18:30 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-01 22:27 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-06-02 10:49 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-02 13:16 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-03 00:00 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-03 14:43 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-02 18:35 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-02 18:21 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-06-02 18:25 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-02 21:36 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-03 02:06 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-03 11:32 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-03 11:43 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-03 13:05 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-03 12:14 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-03 12:31 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-03 14:43 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-03 19:28 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-03 20:10 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-03 18:00 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-03 22:27 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-03 12:13 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-03 14:48 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-03 18:58 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-03 14:46 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival InterLinked <usenet@phreaknet.org> - 2026-06-01 19:00 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-06-02 17:44 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-06-02 17:54 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival InterLinked <usenet@phreaknet.org> - 2026-06-02 16:57 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-06-02 21:02 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-03 11:41 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-03 02:13 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-03 11:47 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-04 01:01 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival InterLinked <usenet@phreaknet.org> - 2026-06-03 21:18 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-04 04:30 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-04 18:02 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-04 07:44 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-04 09:48 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-04 00:26 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-04 07:53 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-03 11:49 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-04 01:03 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-04 10:07 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-04 10:57 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-04 16:31 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-04 12:08 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-05 11:34 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-05 22:31 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-06 05:48 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-06 01:56 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-04 18:13 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-04 15:03 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-04 22:27 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-04 22:45 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-05 04:42 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-05 02:01 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-03 02:10 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival InterLinked <usenet@phreaknet.org> - 2026-06-02 22:29 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-03 11:52 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-04 19:18 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-04 21:28 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-03 18:00 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-06-05 03:14 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-05 00:25 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-05 07:20 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-05 04:15 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-05 12:33 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-06-05 11:55 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-05 19:21 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-05 22:01 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-05 22:15 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-06 05:53 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-06 12:01 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-05 19:21 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-06 00:23 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-06 00:43 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-03 11:49 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-04 00:30 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-04 07:55 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-04 09:51 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-03 11:56 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-03 18:00 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-04 02:11 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-29 02:17 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-01 03:50 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-01 01:07 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-01 12:47 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-01 17:36 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-01 22:33 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-03 02:25 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-03 02:12 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-03 12:03 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-03 12:06 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-04 00:46 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-04 08:09 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-03 12:02 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-03 18:00 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-03 22:31 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-04 01:36 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-01 12:26 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-01 17:31 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-01 22:49 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-03 02:37 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-05-30 09:09 +1000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-30 13:17 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-05-31 07:33 +1000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-31 00:14 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-31 12:09 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-01 00:51 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-01 12:28 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-31 12:58 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-05-27 20:51 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-05-27 14:02 -0700
Re: Redundancy/Survival not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-05-28 08:54 +1000
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-05-28 05:04 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-28 03:54 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-05-28 09:15 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-01 12:29 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-28 13:45 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-05-29 02:50 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-29 01:17 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-29 06:48 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-30 04:25 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-30 13:20 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-05-30 14:16 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-05-30 04:00 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-26 23:41 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-27 14:09 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-28 03:51 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-28 17:08 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-28 22:14 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-29 04:41 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-29 01:53 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-29 06:32 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-01 13:19 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-01 22:52 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-03 02:46 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival InterLinked <usenet@phreaknet.org> - 2026-06-03 00:27 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-03 03:26 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival InterLinked <usenet@phreaknet.org> - 2026-06-03 21:30 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-04 04:30 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-04 08:13 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-03 03:03 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-03 12:12 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-03 12:08 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-03 12:33 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-03 14:45 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-01 13:08 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-01 22:55 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-02 10:39 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-02 13:21 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-03 02:57 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-26 22:39 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-27 14:10 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-05-28 09:05 +1000
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-28 08:19 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-28 03:52 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-28 09:20 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-28 20:34 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival InterLinked <usenet@phreaknet.org> - 2026-05-28 21:07 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-01 13:40 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival InterLinked <usenet@phreaknet.org> - 2026-06-01 19:12 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-02 10:28 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival InterLinked <usenet@phreaknet.org> - 2026-06-02 12:15 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-06-02 16:19 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-02 18:30 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-02 18:29 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival InterLinked <usenet@phreaknet.org> - 2026-06-02 16:49 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-03 12:18 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-06-02 17:38 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-06-02 15:48 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-03 00:39 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-02 17:55 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-06-02 16:03 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival InterLinked <usenet@phreaknet.org> - 2026-06-02 12:22 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-06-02 16:36 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-02 18:39 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-03 00:48 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-29 01:21 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-29 02:08 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-29 06:41 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-01 13:23 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-01 23:00 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-05-26 09:44 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-26 04:45 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-26 11:38 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Worst Case" <fritz@spamexpire-202605.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> - 2026-05-26 17:21 +0200
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-06 05:41 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n8hq8jF1g5uU5@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #87564 |
On 6 Jun 2026 03:10:21 GMT, Robert Riches wrote: > Thankfully, for maybe year or so now, maybe two years, Oregon > _F_I_N_A_L_L_Y_ allows self-serve gasoline everywhere. Amazing! It's been a minute or two since I've been in Oregon. Probably a couple of years pre-covid. I went across 20, down to Newport, and up the coast. I lucked out and the weather was great until I got to Port Angeles and the skies opened up. It was monsoon until I got over Stevens Pass. That was more restful than the trip where I went from Grants Pass to Gold Beach the hard way. At least I got to hike Mt. Bolivar. A few years later some guy died in that area when his GPS showed a 'shortcut'. The car got stuck in snow and he went for help. The wife and kids stayed with the car and survived. There is a lot of road around the Wild Rogue Wilderness, all of it pretty bad.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-06-06 01:52 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <1eCcnWbfKdMQKL73nZ2dnZfqn_SdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #87572 |
On 6/6/26 01:41, rbowman wrote: > On 6 Jun 2026 03:10:21 GMT, Robert Riches wrote: > >> Thankfully, for maybe year or so now, maybe two years, Oregon >> _F_I_N_A_L_L_Y_ allows self-serve gasoline everywhere. > > Amazing! It's been a minute or two since I've been in Oregon. Probably a > couple of years pre-covid. I went across 20, down to Newport, and up the > coast. I lucked out and the weather was great until I got to Port Angeles > and the skies opened up. It was monsoon until I got over Stevens Pass. > > That was more restful than the trip where I went from Grants Pass to Gold > Beach the hard way. At least I got to hike Mt. Bolivar. A few years later > some guy died in that area when his GPS showed a 'shortcut'. The car got > stuck in snow and he went for help. The wife and kids stayed with the car > and survived. There is a lot of road around the Wild Rogue Wilderness, all > of it pretty bad. Never been to Oregon ... and, now-WOKE, see NO reason to ever go there. Seems like somebody is putting LSD in the water supply up the entire west coast. Gimme a Stetson and some cowboy boots and I could be happy until the end.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-06 11:47 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <du6dfmx9it.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #87564 |
On 2026-06-06 05:10, Robert Riches wrote: > On 2026-06-05, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: >> On 5 Jun 2026 03:12:31 GMT, Robert Riches wrote: >> Ah, the land of 'don't touch that gas pump'. I did notice if you're on a >> bike they ignore that. Last time I was in the state the eastern counties >> where there aren't enough people to provide pump attendants the law didn't >> apply. > > Thankfully, for maybe year or so now, maybe two years, Oregon > _F_I_N_A_L_L_Y_ allows self-serve gasoline everywhere. Stations > are required to keep "service" on at least 50% of the pumps, and > they can't give a discount for self-serve. My wife has the pump > jockey do the job (and often fail to put the cap back on > properly, sometimes resulting in gasoline spilling out of the > fill neck while driving--not good). I operate the pump myself. Filling the tank so much that gasoline spills when moving, if the cap is loose, means the tank has been filled way too much over the limit. This is bad for a modern car and can cause an expensive breakdown. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-06-04 23:38 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <lNCcneEBefAn2b_3nZ2dnZfqn_sAAAAA@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #87520 |
On 6/4/26 20:13, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On 2026-06-04, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: > >> On 6/4/26 13:58, rbowman wrote: >> >>> On Thu, 4 Jun 2026 10:36:46 -0400, c186282 wrote: >>> >>>> Individual biz varied more "back then". Took a little while for them >>>> to decide what was in their fiscal interests to use. NOW they seem to >>>> take anything, and you can run it Debit or CCard, PIN or No-PIN >>>> respectively. >>>> Most still have terminals that CAN do mag stripe, but chip-reading >>>> (by insertion or 'tapping') is the most common approach. And yes, >>>> they still do cash. GETTING paid is better than fretting about the >>>> cost of the transaction terminals. >>> >>> I use cash for groceries and usually go through the self checkout line. I >>> seldom go to WinCo even though their prices are good because the traffic >>> pattern is a pain. I had some items and the cash lines were long so I >>> figured I would use the card line. My card was declined. Turns out when >>> they say debit card they mean only debit cards since the swipe fee is much >>> lower than a credit card. >> >> I *never* use 'self-checkout' - they ALWAYS think >> customers are stealing stuff. If somebody just doesn't >> like your face or shoes they'll have the cops come >> and arrest you for shoplifting and strip searched. There >> have been MANY complaints and even lawsuits. I read that >> WalMart is REMOVING this option from a number of its stores. > > I refuse to use self-checkout. The last thing I want is to hear a> mechanical voice nattering at me that I didn't put the bag on the > scale, or put items into the bag at the exact time it wants me to, > etc. etc. ad nausaeum. I'd rather deal with real live people - > it gives them jobs and they're much more pleasant to deal with. My sentiments and more. And if something doesn't get registered, it's the CHECKERS fault, not mine. I go to the food store maybe every ten days to get a few items (now VERY expensive - but half of that is my fav, cashew nuts). It's always "10 items or less". Walk right by "self" and go to the 10-items lane instead. Get to say "Hi !", get to watch each item individually scanned by the employee. Get to say "THANKS !" and get a little smile. MUCH better. Alas by many reports, Gen-Z/A2 are TERRIFIED to actually interact with strange humans, even over a phone line. Dunno WHAT'S behind that but it's pretty damned bad. A few weeks back a pleasant little bagger gal commented on the Archeology mag I bought - she was pretty sharp and the short exchange made me feel good. Gen-Z might have freaked at her 'rude judgemental intrusion' into their precious insular 'space'. >>> I wasn't thinking since the card I use for the ATM is a debit card >>> but that's all I ever use it for. >> >> Debit cards are likely the best overall option - UNLESS >> you're one of those people perpetually in debt and HAVE >> to incrementally pay a CCard because you don't have three >> dollars in yer checking account. > > We usually use credit cards, but only because we get bonus points > that translate into (a small number of) real dollars from time to > time. We do use debit cards when it's more beneficial, though. I've never used 'bonus points' ever. And really never use the CCard for anything but online payments. Hey, SKIP the 'bonus' bullshit ... just lower the price a little and be done with it. One store I go to always wants me to put in my phone number. WON'T. "But you will save x-dollars!". My reply is the same - "They're not giving discounts unless they expect to make MORE off me some way". >>> Another market capitalized on the 'OMG they aren't going to make pennies >>> anymore!' by turning the self checkout lanes into card only. Pisses me off >>> since the other store in town deal with it. One did the logical thing and >>> rounds off. Sometimes you save 2 cents, sometimes you pay 2 cents more. >>> BFD. >> >> The 'pennies' thing - nobody is going to be happy with >> it EXCEPT the Treasury. Admittedly they're NOT worth >> the cost of making anymore, but transactions almost >> never add up to exact multiples of five cents. >> >> Pennies are SO useless otherwise .... I've suggested >> some kind of PLASTIC penny instead with a tiny little >> strip of 'hologram' tape inside. > > Canada got rid of pennies years ago. People have come to > accept the rounding thing - it all averages out in the end. In theory yes ... half the time YOU eat the diff, the other half of the time the store eats the diff. However the logical 'average' though, customers CHAFE at the idea of being 'cheated' out of a couple of pennies every time it happens. Still think my 'plastic penny' idea has merit here. Ultra-cheap and makes people FEEL like they're not being cheated. Familiar with ISDN numbers ... usually found on books ? It's a long number to which is applied some complex math formula. This verifies that it's an ACCURATE number when the math adds up Just So. Put something like that in the plastic penny 'holo-ribbon' and only issue x-many pennies with that number. If MORE start to show up, forgeries, banks PULL and INVALIDATE that series. Melt 'em down and re-mold. Not an 'instant' process, but 'longer term forgery moderation'. As it's only pennies, forgeries are not gonna add up to a huge amount. Oh, also a GREAT way to re-cycle those PET water bottles :-)
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-05 06:48 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n8f9q0Fl49dU6@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #87526 |
On Thu, 4 Jun 2026 23:38:25 -0400, c186282 wrote: > I go to the food store maybe every ten days to > get a few items (now VERY expensive - but half of that is my fav, > cashew nuts). It's always "10 items or less". Walk right by "self" > and go to the 10-items lane instead. Get to say "Hi !", get to watch > each item individually scanned by the employee. Get to say "THANKS !" > and get a little smile. MUCH better. Most of the stores in town don't have a 'n items or less' aisle anymore.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-06-05 03:05 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <Jz-dneYY7bWy6L_3nZ2dnZfqnPSdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #87540 |
On 6/5/26 02:48, rbowman wrote: > On Thu, 4 Jun 2026 23:38:25 -0400, c186282 wrote: > >> I go to the food store maybe every ten days to >> get a few items (now VERY expensive - but half of that is my fav, >> cashew nuts). It's always "10 items or less". Walk right by "self" >> and go to the 10-items lane instead. Get to say "Hi !", get to watch >> each item individually scanned by the employee. Get to say "THANKS !" >> and get a little smile. MUCH better. > > Most of the stores in town don't have a 'n items or less' aisle anymore. Gee, UNfriendly town !!! Sorry, gonna keep using HUMAN checkers. Any place that gets rid of them I won't shop there anymore.
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-05 19:21 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <elFUR.38656$SHu9.38203@fx45.iad> |
| In reply to | #87526 |
On 2026-06-05, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: > I go to the food store maybe every ten days to > get a few items (now VERY expensive - but half > of that is my fav, cashew nuts). It's always > "10 items or less". Walk right by "self" and > go to the 10-items lane instead. Get to say > "Hi !", get to watch each item individually > scanned by the employee. Get to say "THANKS !" > and get a little smile. MUCH better. +1 > Alas by many reports, Gen-Z/A2 are TERRIFIED to > actually interact with strange humans, even over > a phone line. Dunno WHAT'S behind that but it's > pretty damned bad. Weird. > A few weeks back a pleasant little bagger gal > commented on the Archeology mag I bought - she > was pretty sharp and the short exchange made > me feel good. Gen-Z might have freaked at > her 'rude judgemental intrusion' into their > precious insular 'space'. When we're at the pub, my wife often strikes up a conversation with the waitress while we're paying our bill. She's good at getting someone's life history out of them. Many of these people are there to pay the bills while going to school - and taking interesting and useful courses, not just fluff. It's reassuring to see that at least some people are trying to make something of their lives. -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | Growth for the sake of \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | growth is the ideology X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | of the cancer cell. / \ if you read it the right way. | -- Edward Abbey
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-06-06 00:36 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <j76dnV9gQrVGPr73nZ2dnZfqn_SdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #87558 |
On 6/5/26 15:21, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On 2026-06-05, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: > >> I go to the food store maybe every ten days to >> get a few items (now VERY expensive - but half >> of that is my fav, cashew nuts). It's always >> "10 items or less". Walk right by "self" and >> go to the 10-items lane instead. Get to say >> "Hi !", get to watch each item individually >> scanned by the employee. Get to say "THANKS !" >> and get a little smile. MUCH better. > > +1 > >> Alas by many reports, Gen-Z/A2 are TERRIFIED to >> actually interact with strange humans, even over >> a phone line. Dunno WHAT'S behind that but it's >> pretty damned bad. > > Weird. I know, but search on it ... not making this up. >> A few weeks back a pleasant little bagger gal >> commented on the Archeology mag I bought - she >> was pretty sharp and the short exchange made >> me feel good. Gen-Z might have freaked at >> her 'rude judgemental intrusion' into their >> precious insular 'space'. > > When we're at the pub, my wife often strikes up a > conversation with the waitress while we're paying > our bill. She's good at getting someone's life > history out of them. Many of these people are > there to pay the bills while going to school - > and taking interesting and useful courses, > not just fluff. It's reassuring to see that > at least some people are trying to make something > of their lives. Checkers/waiters/etc are NOT alien drones. SOME are idiots but MOST are "people". Some are BRIGHT people. They're not evil or devils. Odd how the rise of "social networks" resulted in the kiddies becoming very UN-social. Some new thinking paradigm emerged. Either that or Mommy WAS smoking enough crack to warp their little brains ......
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-06 05:51 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n8hqqnF1g5uU7@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #87569 |
On Sat, 6 Jun 2026 00:36:43 -0400, c186282 wrote: > Checkers/waiters/etc are NOT alien drones. SOME are idiots but MOST > are "people". Some are BRIGHT people. They're not evil or devils. The pattern is kids come to UM, fall in love with the area, and stay after they graduate. We may have the most well educated baristas, waiters, and shoe clerks in the world.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-06-06 02:26 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <j76dnVVgQrUxIL73nZ2dnZfqn_SdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #87575 |
On 6/6/26 01:51, rbowman wrote: > On Sat, 6 Jun 2026 00:36:43 -0400, c186282 wrote: > >> Checkers/waiters/etc are NOT alien drones. SOME are idiots but MOST >> are "people". Some are BRIGHT people. They're not evil or devils. > > The pattern is kids come to UM, fall in love with the area, and stay after > they graduate. We may have the most well educated baristas, waiters, and > shoe clerks in the world. Ummm ... ok ..... but is that overall useful ? :-) Anyway, from reading, really seems like a LOT of Gen-Z/A2 act like they're kinda far up "the spectrum" when it comes to random social interaction. They're the kind who will TEXT the Uber driver - "over by the yellow sign" rather than just SAY "over by the yellow sign". NOT sure of the whats and whys for this. Probably multi-factor, no one convenient answer. But it STARTED with 'online'-everything - a blank gap between "Me" and "Them". ANYway ... NO reason to be mean to those with 'service' jobs at all. Most are very decent. Don't even care if they can write 'C' - not THAT many can or ever will anyhow.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-05 03:51 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n8eve2Fl49dU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #87520 |
On Fri, 05 Jun 2026 00:13:24 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > I refuse to use self-checkout. The last thing I want is to hear a > mechanical voice nattering at me that I didn't put the bag on the scale, > or put items into the bag at the exact time it wants me to, > etc. etc. ad nausaeum. I'd rather deal with real live people - it gives > them jobs and they're much more pleasant to deal with. When the self checkout lanes went in the 'express' lanes were shutdown. That means you get to wait behind someone with a cart that's wheels are on the verge of collapsing. If you're really lucky there won't be a long sorting of food stamp eligible items from the rest, the EBT card will have enough to cover the eligible items, and the shopper won't have to cycle through more than three credit/debit cards to find one that isn't declined. Besides one of my personal failings is I'd rather deal with the mutts over at animal services or the 'community' cats that show up at mealtime. The latter are friendly to me but are definitely their own cats. I'm socialized enough to make small talk with a cashier but I'd rather not.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-06-05 01:47 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <33ednaGmS4BY_7_3nZ2dnZfqnPudnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #87529 |
On 6/4/26 23:51, rbowman wrote: > On Fri, 05 Jun 2026 00:13:24 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > >> I refuse to use self-checkout. The last thing I want is to hear a >> mechanical voice nattering at me that I didn't put the bag on the scale, >> or put items into the bag at the exact time it wants me to, >> etc. etc. ad nausaeum. I'd rather deal with real live people - it gives >> them jobs and they're much more pleasant to deal with. > > When the self checkout lanes went in the 'express' lanes were shutdown. > That means you get to wait behind someone with a cart that's wheels are on > the verge of collapsing. If you're really lucky there won't be a long > sorting of food stamp eligible items from the rest, the EBT card will have > enough to cover the eligible items, and the shopper won't have to cycle > through more than three credit/debit cards to find one that isn't > declined. Hmmm, never ran into anything THAT bad ! :-) At worst it's someone with a couple stolen cards and no valid PIN numbers. Worst case was a woman at a food store who wanted hundreds of dollars, small bills, from the card she was carrying (best bet NOT hers). The store had to actually raid several registers to produce what she demanded. They should have called the cops instead, but they don't want any "trouble". Some convenience stores offer "cash" - but limit it to ten or fifteen dollars. THAT works, makes fraud mostly Not Worth It. > Besides one of my personal failings is I'd rather deal with the mutts over > at animal services or the 'community' cats that show up at mealtime. The > latter are friendly to me but are definitely their own cats. > > I'm socialized enough to make small talk with a cashier but I'd rather > not. I rather like it ..... adds an element of "humanity" to the whole process. SOME cashiers are smarter and more interesting than you'd think too. Now, how can Linux improve this entire equation ? :-)
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-05 19:21 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <clFUR.38653$SHu9.9660@fx45.iad> |
| In reply to | #87529 |
On 2026-06-05, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: > On Fri, 05 Jun 2026 00:13:24 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > >> I refuse to use self-checkout. The last thing I want is to hear a >> mechanical voice nattering at me that I didn't put the bag on the scale, >> or put items into the bag at the exact time it wants me to, >> etc. etc. ad nausaeum. I'd rather deal with real live people - it gives >> them jobs and they're much more pleasant to deal with. > > When the self checkout lanes went in the 'express' lanes were shutdown. > That means you get to wait behind someone with a cart that's wheels are > on the verge of collapsing. If you're really lucky there won't be a long > sorting of food stamp eligible items from the rest, the EBT card will have > enough to cover the eligible items, and the shopper won't have to cycle > through more than three credit/debit cards to find one that isn't > declined. And they won't be buying lottery tickets. If I ran a grocery store and wanted to hurt my competitors, I'd pay people like that to shop at those other establishments. It would be a kind of denial-of-service attack. -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | Growth for the sake of \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | growth is the ideology X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | of the cancer cell. / \ if you read it the right way. | -- Edward Abbey
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-06-02 02:58 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <fnidnaxJ3ful4oP3nZ2dnZfqnPadnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #87329 |
On 6/1/26 06:15, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2026-06-01 03:45, InterLinked wrote: >> On 5/30/2026 11:29 PM, c186282 wrote: >>> On 5/30/26 07:09, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>>> On 2026-05-30 10:29, c186282 wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I don't disagree. >>>>> >>>>> However SOMETIMES it's worth mandating >>>>> a backwards-compatible system be kept >>>>> alive and working. >>>>> >>>>> Having experienced major service problems, >>>>> I'm gonna say that keeping the copper going >>>>> for at least another 10 years IS good sense. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Not going to happen. >>> >>> We shall see. >>> >>> In USA there *are* some federal regs. Corps >>> trying to get AROUND those might be held >>> guilty/culpable. >>> >> >> I hate to burst your bubble, but the FCC here in the US is a captured >> agency. They've been catering to the industry for years now, and >> especially under the current administration, have only been seeking to >> heavily deregulate and boost industry profits, consumers be damned. >> >> I mentioned earlier that back in March, the FCC released an order >> where they declared they would preempt state requirements that had the >> effect of requiring companies to retain traditional service, as part >> of the FCC's agenda of advancing the "IP transition" and sunsetting POTS. >> >> This is playing out in California right now. AT&T sued the California >> Public Utilities Commission and AG last week and asked the FCC to >> preempt California's requirements that all consumers have access to >> basic voice service. 200,000 customers just got notices that AT&T >> intends to disconnect their service. Separately, there is a >> constitutional amendment being quietly considered to bar the CPUC from >> regulating telecom. AT&T is sure trying to cover its bases... >> >> It's a timely discussion. If you want to keep POTS around, submit >> comments/opposition to the FCC on the relevant dockets until June 22, >> see https://savelandlines.org/ >> >> If you are waiting for some "regulator" to come and save POTS service >> for everyone, you are sadly mistaken. But you can still submit >> comments, make calls, etc. to try to fight back against AT&T and the FCC. > > In Spain, the official minimum internet service the Spanish government > guarantees as part of the Universal Telecommunications Service is 10 > Mbps (<https://avance.digital.gob.es/es-es/servicios/informeuniversal/ > paginas/index.aspx?utm_source=chatgpt.com>). The obligation is currently > provided through Movistar as the designated operator. What they don't > specify is the technology. POTS is out of the picture. > > And they are considering increasing the minimum to 100 Mbps. Hmmm ... had to switch to 5G internet for several annoying reasons. The old Gen2 DSL was actually better. RARELY get 10mbps - I'm too far from the towers, metal roof, reinforced concrete. Tried every place in the house. HAVE seen 'bursts' to 30mbps ... but those only last a few minutes. 5 to 8 mbps is more 'typical'. Less is often seen too alas. NOT sure how Spain is gonna guarentee this fast net to all. LOTS more (subsidized) towers operating at a de-facto loss ??? Typical 'socialist' thinking. I've looked into StarLink. Price isn't TOO bad, but the allowed daily/monthly data consumption is too low for my needs. I often download Linux/etc distros for eval or use - typically 1-4 gigs these days. Many distros can 'update' with a gig more more. Did that several times the last month. The only good bit is that if there's a hurricane with tornadoes and tidal surge and Satanic coup those WON'T get at the satellites. MAY buy basic pkg as a 'safety' so I could do simple mail/banking/ordering.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-02 11:11 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <10vma8l$2rkdb$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #87357 |
On 02/06/2026 07:58, c186282 wrote: > and Satanic coup those WON'T get at the satellites. wanna bet yer life on that? Bhwahahaha... -- Canada is all right really, though not for the whole weekend. "Saki"
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-06-02 22:15 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <08WdnZbiT4mmE4L3nZ2dnZfqnPSdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #87363 |
On 6/2/26 06:11, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 02/06/2026 07:58, c186282 wrote: >> and Satanic coup those WON'T get at the satellites. > > wanna bet yer life on that? Bhwahahaha... Well Vlad/Xi *can* get to the satellites :-) A super-massive solar flare can too. One strength of StarLink though is that it is very DISPERSED .... thousands of sats. I think they can kinda do "zig-bee". So still, imho, we need SOME at least domestic layer that's DIFFICULT for Vlad to get at. Not much to do about the solar flare alas ... As mentioned somewhere, you can still do basic TELEGRAPHY over copper pairs. That's very robust 1860 tech. Hey, worst case ... we'd still have SOMETHING.
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| From | InterLinked <usenet@phreaknet.org> |
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| Date | 2026-06-02 22:32 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <10vo3o7$3bkkd$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #87399 |
On 6/2/2026 10:15 PM, c186282 wrote: > On 6/2/26 06:11, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> On 02/06/2026 07:58, c186282 wrote: >>> and Satanic coup those WON'T get at the satellites. >> >> wanna bet yer life on that? Bhwahahaha... > > Well Vlad/Xi *can* get to the satellites :-) > > A super-massive solar flare can too. > > One strength of StarLink though is that it > is very DISPERSED .... thousands of sats. > I think they can kinda do "zig-bee". > > So still, imho, we need SOME at least domestic > layer that's DIFFICULT for Vlad to get at. > > Not much to do about the solar flare alas ... > > As mentioned somewhere, you can still do > basic TELEGRAPHY over copper pairs. That's > very robust 1860 tech. Hey, worst case ... > we'd still have SOMETHING. I fully expect that with the total devolution of telephony going on, some people might resort back to doing telephony over barbed wire fences again... and not by choice! It's incredible the kind of double speak that exists today... "progress" and "21st century" really means going back 100+ years in a lot ways, before common battery, and back to when a lot of rural areas lacked phone service because phone companies didn't want to run lines to them, so they ran their own party lines over barbed wire networks... here we go again...
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-06-03 02:33 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <a9qdnfdK25dyV4L3nZ2dnZfqn_adnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #87402 |
On 6/2/26 22:32, InterLinked wrote: > On 6/2/2026 10:15 PM, c186282 wrote: >> On 6/2/26 06:11, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>> On 02/06/2026 07:58, c186282 wrote: >>>> and Satanic coup those WON'T get at the satellites. >>> >>> wanna bet yer life on that? Bhwahahaha... >> >> Well Vlad/Xi *can* get to the satellites :-) >> >> A super-massive solar flare can too. >> >> One strength of StarLink though is that it >> is very DISPERSED .... thousands of sats. >> I think they can kinda do "zig-bee". >> >> So still, imho, we need SOME at least domestic >> layer that's DIFFICULT for Vlad to get at. >> >> Not much to do about the solar flare alas ... >> >> As mentioned somewhere, you can still do >> basic TELEGRAPHY over copper pairs. That's >> very robust 1860 tech. Hey, worst case ... >> we'd still have SOMETHING. > > I fully expect that with the total devolution of telephony going on, > some people might resort back to doing telephony over barbed wire fences > again... Do NOT entirely disagree with that ! > and not by choice! It's incredible the kind of double speak > that exists today... "progress" and "21st century" really means going > back 100+ years in a lot ways, before common battery, and back to when a > lot of rural areas lacked phone service because phone companies didn't > want to run lines to them, so they ran their own party lines over barbed > wire networks... here we go again... ENDLESS bullshit from the corps about the Great Virtues of nuking the Old Stuff. Sounds SO sane. It's not. Has become VERY clear the past few years how EASILY all the 'modern' stuff can be TRASHED. Vlad/Xi are part of the problem, but Nature is a significant other. "Telegraph" stations DID/CAN work. They'd have to be kind of a per-neighborhood/block thing. The tech, as said, is robust 1860 - relay-based amplifiers. But you have to HAVE some copper Still There. Otherwise, well, 1919 radio tech. Also works even after a huge disaster, but more complicated and less-directed. Find an older AARL Radio manual, even "spark gap" radio is discussed - the how, the equations. LOVE to see that stuff ! It's how to basically hold up comm tech even AFTER a Worst Case situation. Some HAMs also still work TUBE/VALVE radios for fun. Those are mostly immune to EMP or solar flares and you're not gonna HACK them - almost NON-tech. Something BAD is gonna happen - by human or other means. Happens in localities even now, but could become worldwide. Even crappy comm tech can make all the diff between now and the Dark Ages. Early 1800s USA ... you sent mail by crude early trains or horse-mounted delivery guys. Took like two or three WEEKS to get even a short message from NYC to California. Telegraph finally did come along, but 'finally' - and they charged by the word/letter. The Old Shitty World is NOT that far behind us. Current High-Tech is oft TOO sensitive, TOO vulnerable. It's not good policy. "Commercial" may not agree - but govt/mil really OUGHT to know.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-03 11:57 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <10vp1bb$3igml$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #87399 |
On 03/06/2026 03:15, c186282 wrote: > One strength of StarLink though is that it > is very DISPERSED .... thousands of sats. > I think they can kinda do "zig-bee". I wonder if they run OSPF internally? -- "An intellectual is a person knowledgeable in one field who speaks out only in others...” Tom Wolfe
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| From | Rich <rich@example.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-03 14:40 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10vped6$3n936$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #87399 |
c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: > On 6/2/26 06:11, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> On 02/06/2026 07:58, c186282 wrote: >>> and Satanic coup those WON'T get at the satellites. >> >> wanna bet yer life on that? Bhwahahaha... > > > As mentioned somewhere, you can still do basic TELEGRAPHY over > copper pairs. That's very robust 1860 tech. Hey, worst case ... > we'd still have SOMETHING. Yes, but first you need a "copper pair" connecting the two points between which you wish to communicate. And today, those bespoke copper pairs no longer exist (most have been replaced with thin glass strands over which laser light is transmitted, which won't allow for "basic telegraphy"). So you'd have to start by stringing miles upon miles of copper pairs between each location that you wanted to communicate. That's a massive undertaking, which has to happen *before* you can communicate via basic telegraphy.
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