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  Hey, what happened to cdrecord? Charles Packer <mailbox@cpacker.org> - 2011-07-07 04:20 -0700
    Re: Hey, what happened to cdrecord? unruh <unruh@wormhole.physics.ubc.ca> - 2011-07-07 11:56 +0000
      Re: Hey, what happened to cdrecord? Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2011-07-07 10:01 -0500
      Re: Hey, what happened to cdrecord? unruh <unruh@wormhole.physics.ubc.ca> - 2011-07-07 18:51 +0000
        Re: Hey, what happened to cdrecord? Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2011-07-07 15:09 -0500
        Re: Hey, what happened to cdrecord? Feranija <feranija@net...> - 2011-07-07 16:42 -0700
      Re: Hey, what happened to cdrecord? js@cs.tu-berlin.de (Joerg Schilling) - 2011-07-10 11:03 +0000
    Re: Hey, what happened to cdrecord? "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2011-07-08 03:21 -0400
      Re: Hey, what happened to cdrecord? Charles Packer <mailbox@cpacker.org> - 2011-07-08 04:35 -0700
    Re: Hey, what happened to cdrecord? js@cs.tu-berlin.de (Joerg Schilling) - 2011-07-10 10:36 +0000
    Re: Hey, what happened to cdrecord? "Charlie Gibbs" <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2011-07-14 13:01 -0800
      Re: Hey, what happened to cdrecord? js@cs.tu-berlin.de (Joerg Schilling) - 2011-07-16 20:03 +0000

#1658 — Hey, what happened to cdrecord?

If the following two commands don't mean anything,
plese ignore this posting:

mkisofs -r -R -J -l -L -o atemp.iso atemp
cdrecord -v -eject speed=4 dev=ATA:1,1,0 -multi atemp.iso

Under Fedora 5 for years I used the above to write data to a
CDROM. After upgrading to a much more recent Fedora version,
the second command fails with error messages from something
called "wombin" -- it didn't like the "dev=ATA:1,1,0"
in my invocation of cdrecord. So...I did a "man" on "cdrecord"
and...it's been eaten by "wombin"! In lieu of spending a
couple of hours decoding man-speak and Googling for
example code, I thought I would check in here to see if
anybody knew right off how to fix this.

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#1659

On 2011-07-07, Charles Packer <mailbox@cpacker.org> wrote:
> If the following two commands don't mean anything,
> plese ignore this posting:
>
> mkisofs -r -R -J -l -L -o atemp.iso atemp
> cdrecord -v -eject speed=4 dev=ATA:1,1,0 -multi atemp.iso
>
> Under Fedora 5 for years I used the above to write data to a
> CDROM. After upgrading to a much more recent Fedora version,
> the second command fails with error messages from something
> called "wombin" -- it didn't like the "dev=ATA:1,1,0"
> in my invocation of cdrecord. So...I did a "man" on "cdrecord"
> and...it's been eaten by "wombin"! In lieu of spending a
> couple of hours decoding man-speak and Googling for
> example code, I thought I would check in here to see if
> anybody knew right off how to fix this.

There has been an ongoing, totally childish battle between Schilling and
the distros (led by Debian). The debian people do not like Schilling (he
can be stubborn and ascerbic, but writes good code) and are using what
they claim (probably wrongly) are problems with incompatibility with the
CDDL and GPL (ignoring the huge incompatibilities between GPL2 and 3) 
to not use cdrecord, but rather a bastardised version of an ancient (7
year old) release of cdrecord. Schilling refuses to release cdrecord
under the GPL to mollify them. And so the impass continues. A couple of
years ago, some of the debian people said they would start including
cdrecord (not their bastardized wodim) in the release, but it never
happened. 

The way to fix it is to download Schilling's cdrecord package (cdrtools)
from cdrecord.berlios.de, and compile and install it. That way you will
have an operating, up-to-date version on your system. 
It would be nice if Schilling included a spec file so you could make it
an rpm package, but it is not necessary. 

 
>
> --
> Charles Packer
> http://cpacker.org/whatnews
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#1665

At Thu, 07 Jul 2011 05:28:40 -0700 Feranija <feranija@net...> wrote:

> 
> On 2011-07-07 04:56, unruh wrote:
> > On 2011-07-07, Charles Packer<mailbox@cpacker.org>  wrote:
> >> If the following two commands don't mean anything,
> >> plese ignore this posting:
> >>
> >> mkisofs -r -R -J -l -L -o atemp.iso atemp
> >> cdrecord -v -eject speed=4 dev=ATA:1,1,0 -multi atemp.iso
> >>
> >> Under Fedora 5 for years I used the above to write data to a
> >> CDROM. After upgrading to a much more recent Fedora version,
> >> the second command fails with error messages from something
> >> called "wombin" -- it didn't like the "dev=ATA:1,1,0"
> >> in my invocation of cdrecord. So...I did a "man" on "cdrecord"
> >> and...it's been eaten by "wombin"! In lieu of spending a
> >> couple of hours decoding man-speak and Googling for
> >> example code, I thought I would check in here to see if
> >> anybody knew right off how to fix this.
> >
> > There has been an ongoing, totally childish battle between Schilling and
> > the distros (led by Debian). The debian people do not like Schilling (he
> > can be stubborn and ascerbic, but writes good code) and are using what
> > they claim (probably wrongly) are problems with incompatibility with the
> > CDDL and GPL (ignoring the huge incompatibilities between GPL2 and 3)
> > to not use cdrecord, but rather a bastardised version of an ancient (7
> > year old) release of cdrecord. Schilling refuses to release cdrecord
> > under the GPL to mollify them. And so the impass continues. A couple of
> > years ago, some of the debian people said they would start including
> > cdrecord (not their bastardized wodim) in the release, but it never
> > happened.
> >
> > The way to fix it is to download Schilling's cdrecord package (cdrtools)
> > from cdrecord.berlios.de, and compile and install it. That way you will
> > have an operating, up-to-date version on your system.
> > It would be nice if Schilling included a spec file so you could make it
> > an rpm package, but it is not necessary.
> 
> 
> Did you know the OP is running Fedora which uses the orignal 
> Schilling's cdrecord ?

Old Fedora (V5) may have used the orignal Schilling's cdrecord. 
Appearently more current versions of Fedora don't.

> 
> 
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#1673

On 2011-07-07, Feranija <feranija@net> wrote:
> On 2011-07-07 04:56, unruh wrote:
>> On 2011-07-07, Charles Packer<mailbox@cpacker.org>  wrote:
>>> If the following two commands don't mean anything,
>>> plese ignore this posting:
>>>
>>> mkisofs -r -R -J -l -L -o atemp.iso atemp
>>> cdrecord -v -eject speed=4 dev=ATA:1,1,0 -multi atemp.iso
>>>
>>> Under Fedora 5 for years I used the above to write data to a
>>> CDROM. After upgrading to a much more recent Fedora version,
>>> the second command fails with error messages from something
>>> called "wombin" -- it didn't like the "dev=ATA:1,1,0"
>>> in my invocation of cdrecord. So...I did a "man" on "cdrecord"
>>> and...it's been eaten by "wombin"! In lieu of spending a
>>> couple of hours decoding man-speak and Googling for
>>> example code, I thought I would check in here to see if
>>> anybody knew right off how to fix this.
>>
>> There has been an ongoing, totally childish battle between Schilling and
>> the distros (led by Debian). The debian people do not like Schilling (he
>> can be stubborn and ascerbic, but writes good code) and are using what
>> they claim (probably wrongly) are problems with incompatibility with the
>> CDDL and GPL (ignoring the huge incompatibilities between GPL2 and 3)
>> to not use cdrecord, but rather a bastardised version of an ancient (7
>> year old) release of cdrecord. Schilling refuses to release cdrecord
>> under the GPL to mollify them. And so the impass continues. A couple of
>> years ago, some of the debian people said they would start including
>> cdrecord (not their bastardized wodim) in the release, but it never
>> happened.
>>
>> The way to fix it is to download Schilling's cdrecord package (cdrtools)
>> from cdrecord.berlios.de, and compile and install it. That way you will
>> have an operating, up-to-date version on your system.
>> It would be nice if Schilling included a spec file so you could make it
>> an rpm package, but it is not necessary.
>
>
> Did you know the OP is running Fedora which uses the orignal 
> Schilling's cdrecord ?

Uh, no, he is using wodim. 
(which is how I read his "wombin")


>
>

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#1674

At Thu, 07 Jul 2011 18:51:32 GMT unruh <unruh@wormhole.physics.ubc.ca> wrote:

> 
> On 2011-07-07, Feranija <feranija@net> wrote:
> > On 2011-07-07 04:56, unruh wrote:
> >> On 2011-07-07, Charles Packer<mailbox@cpacker.org>  wrote:
> >>> If the following two commands don't mean anything,
> >>> plese ignore this posting:
> >>>
> >>> mkisofs -r -R -J -l -L -o atemp.iso atemp
> >>> cdrecord -v -eject speed=4 dev=ATA:1,1,0 -multi atemp.iso
> >>>
> >>> Under Fedora 5 for years I used the above to write data to a
> >>> CDROM. After upgrading to a much more recent Fedora version,
> >>> the second command fails with error messages from something
> >>> called "wombin" -- it didn't like the "dev=ATA:1,1,0"
> >>> in my invocation of cdrecord. So...I did a "man" on "cdrecord"
> >>> and...it's been eaten by "wombin"! In lieu of spending a
> >>> couple of hours decoding man-speak and Googling for
> >>> example code, I thought I would check in here to see if
> >>> anybody knew right off how to fix this.
> >>
> >> There has been an ongoing, totally childish battle between Schilling and
> >> the distros (led by Debian). The debian people do not like Schilling (he
> >> can be stubborn and ascerbic, but writes good code) and are using what
> >> they claim (probably wrongly) are problems with incompatibility with the
> >> CDDL and GPL (ignoring the huge incompatibilities between GPL2 and 3)
> >> to not use cdrecord, but rather a bastardised version of an ancient (7
> >> year old) release of cdrecord. Schilling refuses to release cdrecord
> >> under the GPL to mollify them. And so the impass continues. A couple of
> >> years ago, some of the debian people said they would start including
> >> cdrecord (not their bastardized wodim) in the release, but it never
> >> happened.
> >>
> >> The way to fix it is to download Schilling's cdrecord package (cdrtools)
> >> from cdrecord.berlios.de, and compile and install it. That way you will
> >> have an operating, up-to-date version on your system.
> >> It would be nice if Schilling included a spec file so you could make it
> >> an rpm package, but it is not necessary.
> >
> >
> > Did you know the OP is running Fedora which uses the orignal 
> > Schilling's cdrecord ?
> 
> Uh, no, he is using wodim. 
> (which is how I read his "wombin")

On CentOS 5 (based on FC5 I think) has the orignal Schilling's
cdrecord, by FC15 has a wodim rpm instead:

sauron.deepsoft.com% rpm -qi cdrecord                                   
Name        : cdrecord                     Relocations: (not relocatable)
Version     : 2.01                              Vendor: CentOS
Release     : 10.7.el5                      Build Date: Wed 11 Mar 2009
01:36:00 PM EDT
Install Date: Fri 08 Jan 2010 11:35:39 AM EST      Build Host: chamkaur.karan.org
Group       : Applications/Archiving        Source RPM: cdrtools-2.01-10.7.el5.src.rpm
Size        : 1411838                          License: GPL
Signature   : DSA/SHA1, Tue 17 Mar 2009 07:30:35 AM EDT, Key ID a8a447dce8562897
Packager    : Karanbir Singh <kbsingh@karan.org>
URL         : http://cdrecord.berlios.de/old/private/cdrecord.html
Summary     : A command line CD/DVD recording program.
Description :
Cdrecord is an application for creating audio and data CDs. Cdrecord
works with many different brands of CD recorders, fully supports
multi-sessions and provides human-readable error messages.

sauron.deepsoft.com% rpm -qip /fc15x86_64/Packages/wodim-1.1.11-5.fc15.x86_64.rpm
warning: /fc15x86_64/Packages/wodim-1.1.11-5.fc15.x86_64.rpm: Header V3 RSA/SHA256 signature: NOKEY, key ID 069c8460
Name        : wodim                        Relocations: (not relocatable)
Version     : 1.1.11                            Vendor: Fedora Project
Release     : 5.fc15                        Build Date: Mon 07 Mar 2011
11:41:58 AM EST
Install Date: (not installed)               Build Host: x86-15.phx2.fedoraproject.org
Group       : Applications/Archiving        Source RPM: cdrkit-1.1.11-5.fc15.src.rpm
Size        : 1250606                          License: GPLv2
Signature   : RSA/8, Tue 08 Mar 2011 06:56:49 PM EST, Key ID b4ebf579069c8460
Packager    : Fedora Project
URL         : http://cdrkit.org/
Summary     : A command line CD/DVD recording program
Description :
Wodim is an application for creating audio and data CDs. Wodim
works with many different brands of CD recorders, fully supports
multi-sessions and provides human-readable error messages.


> 
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#1682

On 2011-07-07 11:51, unruh wrote:
> Uh, no, he is using wodim.
> (which is how I read his "wombin")


Correct. Fedora is in Debian's sheepfold. I mixed it up. SalixOS, 
Gentoo, Slackware use a regular cdrecord.

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#1733

In article <slrnj1b7o9.a16.unruh@wormhole.physics.ubc.ca>,
unruh  <unruh@wormhole.physics.ubc.ca> wrote:

>There has been an ongoing, totally childish battle between Schilling and
>the distros (led by Debian). The debian people do not like Schilling (he
>can be stubborn and ascerbic, but writes good code) and are using what
>they claim (probably wrongly) are problems with incompatibility with the
>CDDL and GPL (ignoring the huge incompatibilities between GPL2 and 3) 

There has been a good relationship with Debian until early Spring 2004 when a 
new packetizer was selected for cdrtools after the old one did finish his 
university career. Before, Debian even helped to find solutions for Linux
distros like SuSe that was the first Linux distro that intentionally shipped 
broken own variants from cdrtools.

The new packetizer appeared to be extremely lazy and after many bug reports 
against cdrtools appeared in the Debian Bug tracking system, he did not switch 
to never versions of the source (that had these bugs fixed since a long time 
already), but he introduced own new bugs. In May 2004, he asked me to 
incormorate a patch to "support UTF-8" with mkisofs. This patch however did 
not support UTF-8 but rather caused tons of compiler warnings, so I could not
include it.

Since then this person (Eduard Bloch) started a diffamation and insulting 
campaign against me. 

Every bigger community has the chance to have black sheeps amongst their rows 
and at that point Debian could not be blamed for the attacks from Bloch.
In late 2004 Debian devided to support Bloch instead of supporting their users.
This is when Debian switched to the dark side ot the source.

A few months later (in April 2005), Debian started to claim cdrecord has a 
license problem bnecause parts of cdrecord are supposed to be no longer under
GPL. Well at that time 100% od cdrecord was GPL, do Debian was obviously 
trying to claim a license problem in order to hide their social problem.

As nobody (even the FSF) did help with this anti social campaign, I decided 
that the GPL cannot be seen as a license of choice any more and switched to 
the CDDL on May 15 2006. In Summer 2005 Debian continued to claimthat there is 
a supposed GPL problem with cdrecord even though not s single line of code from 
cdrecord was under GPL anymore.

Cdrtools (being a collection of several independent works) does not mix CDDL
and GPL in a single work and thus has no problems from the license 
incompatibilities.  This has been confirmed by many lawyers, including the Sun 
legal department, the Oracle legal department (later under differen rules) and 
Eben Moglen.


>to not use cdrecord, but rather a bastardised version of an ancient (7
>year old) release of cdrecord. Schilling refuses to release cdrecord
>under the GPL to mollify them. And so the impass continues. A couple of
>years ago, some of the debian people said they would start including
>cdrecord (not their bastardized wodim) in the release, but it never
>happened. 

Correct, on March 6 2009, Simon Phipps (at that time Sun OSS evangelist now 
member of the board of directors in opensource.org) repeated a compromise that 
I made in autumn 2008 already (ship everything linked dynamically) and Debian 
agreed to include cdrtools as soon as possible (they mentioned 6 weeks at that
time). Nothing happeded however, so Debian can also be seen as implausible.



-- 
EMail:joerg@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin
      js@cs.tu-berlin.de		(uni)  
      joerg.schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/
URL:  http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily

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#1685

On Thu, 07 Jul 2011 07:20:55 -0400, Charles Packer <mailbox@cpacker.org> wrote:

> CDROM. After upgrading to a much more recent Fedora version,
> the second command fails with error messages from something
> called "wombin" -- it didn't like the "dev=ATA:1,1,0"

That would be wodim.
See http://www.ody.ca/~dwhodgins/installcdrtools for a script
to get/install the real cdrtools.  It's written for Mandriva,
but shouldn't need many changes for Fedora.

Regards, Dave Hodgins

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#1690

On Jul 8, 3:21 am, "David W. Hodgins" > Seehttp://www.ody.ca/~dwhodgins/installcdrtoolsfor
a script
> to get/install the real cdrtools.  It's written for Mandriva,
> but shouldn't need many changes for Fedora.

Well! After reading all these responses, I looked at
the linkages and sure enough,
/usr/bin/cdrecord -> /etc/alternatives/cdrecord and
/etc/alternatives/cdrecord -> /usr/bin/wodim

So I tried copying over the cdrecord executable from
my box that still has FC 5 on it, but it wouldn't work, so
I'll get the source, as recommended, and compile it
this weekend. Thanks, everybody.

--
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http://cpacker.org/whatnews
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#1731

In article <2d5f0c1e-affe-4118-89f5-88e89a8eff80@o13g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>,
Charles Packer  <mailbox@cpacker.org> wrote:
>If the following two commands don't mean anything,
>plese ignore this posting:
>
>mkisofs -r -R -J -l -L -o atemp.iso atemp
>cdrecord -v -eject speed=4 dev=ATA:1,1,0 -multi atemp.iso
>
>Under Fedora 5 for years I used the above to write data to a

The era of innocense with Linux is over sice 6 years when Debian decided to 
join the dark side of the source.

Since then, Linux distros are divided in such that support the dark side of the 
source and those who do not.

Fedora is unfortunately supporting the dark side of the source and does not 
ship recent original versions but something that is based on a 7 year old 
version of the source with additional bugs (introduced by Debian) added.

I recommend to use recent original software from:

ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/cdrecord/alpha/

-- 
EMail:joerg@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin
      js@cs.tu-berlin.de		(uni)  
      joerg.schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/
URL:  http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily

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#1788

In article
<2d5f0c1e-affe-4118-89f5-88e89a8eff80@o13g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>,
mailbox@cpacker.org (Charles Packer) writes:

> If the following two commands don't mean anything,
> plese ignore this posting:
>
> mkisofs -r -R -J -l -L -o atemp.iso atemp
> cdrecord -v -eject speed=4 dev=ATA:1,1,0 -multi atemp.iso

Dunno if this helps (I'm running Slackware 12.2), but I use a
fake SCSI address in the cdrecord command, even though my drives
are IDE; dev=1000,1,0 writes to /dev/hdb, while dev=1000,0,0
writes to /dev/hda.

Sorry, but I have nothing to add to the political battle... :-)

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#1825

In article <836.247T2410T7815495@kltpzyxm.invalid>,
Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:

>Dunno if this helps (I'm running Slackware 12.2), but I use a
>fake SCSI address in the cdrecord command, even though my drives
>are IDE; dev=1000,1,0 writes to /dev/hdb, while dev=1000,0,0
>writes to /dev/hda.

Well your drive may be connected via an IDE cable but SCSI commands are 
the only possible method for telling the drive to write media.

/dev/hda and /dev/hdb are connected to the system with the same cable, so it is 
obvious to give them the same SCSI bus address.

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EMail:joerg@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin
      js@cs.tu-berlin.de		(uni)  
      joerg.schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/
URL:  http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily

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