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| Started by | Halberstam Reader <joe.snod@yahoo.com> |
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| First post | 2011-07-03 18:40 -0700 |
| Last post | 2011-07-18 09:35 -0400 |
| Articles | 5 on this page of 85 — 28 participants |
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Good Linux to start with Halberstam Reader <joe.snod@yahoo.com> - 2011-07-03 18:40 -0700
Re: Good Linux to start with John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2011-07-03 20:53 -0500
Re: Good Linux to start with bosco <boscopelone@yahoo.com> - 2011-07-03 21:16 -0600
Re: Good Linux to start with bruce.sinclair@NOSPAMORELSEagresearch.NOTco.NOTnz (Bruce Sinclair) - 2011-07-04 04:07 +0000
Re: Good Linux to start with Dan C <youmustbejoking@lan.invalid> - 2011-07-04 03:28 +0000
Re: Good Linux to start with Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2011-07-04 12:04 -0400
Re: Good Linux to start with Aragorn <stryder@telenet.be.invalid> - 2011-07-04 23:07 +0200
Re: Good Linux to start with David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2011-07-04 10:15 +0200
Re: Good Linux to start with Bob Henson <rh547477@gmail.com> - 2011-07-04 10:00 +0100
Re: Good Linux to start with Torsten Mueller <dev-null@shared-files.de> - 2011-07-04 11:10 +0200
Re: Good Linux to start with Balwinder S Dheeman <bsd.SANSPAM@anu.homelinux.net> - 2011-07-04 16:11 +0530
Re: Good Linux to start with Richard Kimber <richardkimber@btinternet.com> - 2011-07-04 06:59 -0500
Re: Good Linux to start with The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2011-07-04 13:35 +0100
Re: Good Linux to start with David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2011-07-04 15:25 +0200
Re: Good Linux to start with Mark <i@dontgetlotsofspamanymore.invalid> - 2011-07-05 11:41 +0100
Re: Good Linux to start with jmclnx@SPAMisBADgmail.com (Jack McCue) - 2011-07-04 12:50 +0000
Re: Good Linux to start with Keith Keller <kkeller-usenet@wombat.san-francisco.ca.us> - 2011-07-04 07:47 -0700
Re: Good Linux to start with ray <ray@zianet.com> - 2011-07-04 14:50 +0000
Re: Good Linux to start with Stefan Patric <not@this.address.com> - 2011-07-04 17:23 +0000
Re: Good Linux to start with Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2011-07-05 07:39 +0200
Re: Good Linux to start with JohnT <john@example.com> - 2011-07-05 07:52 +0000
Re: Good Linux to start with Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2011-07-05 15:51 +0000
Re: Good Linux to start with Aragorn <stryder@telenet.be.invalid> - 2011-07-06 03:46 +0200
Re: Good Linux to start with "Peter J. Holzer" <hjp-usenet2@hjp.at> - 2011-07-07 22:35 +0200
Re: Good Linux to start with Aragorn <stryder@telenet.be.invalid> - 2011-07-07 23:06 +0200
Re: Good Linux to start with "Peter J. Holzer" <hjp-usenet2@hjp.at> - 2011-07-08 13:44 +0200
Re: Good Linux to start with Hans Georg Schaathun <hg@schaathun.net> - 2011-07-13 08:58 +0100
Re: Good Linux to start with Mark <i@dontgetlotsofspamanymore.invalid> - 2011-07-13 09:41 +0100
Re: Good Linux to start with Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2011-07-13 10:07 +0100
Re: Good Linux to start with Hans Georg Schaathun <hg@schaathun.net> - 2011-07-13 12:46 +0100
Re: Good Linux to start with Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2011-07-13 13:47 +0100
Re: Good Linux to start with Hans Georg Schaathun <hg@schaathun.net> - 2011-07-13 14:20 +0100
Re: Good Linux to start with Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2011-07-13 15:26 +0100
Re: Good Linux to start with John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2011-07-13 07:37 -0500
Re: Good Linux to start with Hans Georg Schaathun <hg@schaathun.net> - 2011-07-13 14:16 +0100
Re: Good Linux to start with The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2011-07-13 14:35 +0100
Re: Good Linux to start with Hans Georg Schaathun <hg@schaathun.net> - 2011-07-13 15:13 +0100
Re: Good Linux to start with Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2011-07-13 16:36 +0100
Re: Good Linux to start with Mark <i@dontgetlotsofspamanymore.invalid> - 2011-07-08 08:53 +0100
Re: Good Linux to start with "Peter J. Holzer" <hjp-usenet2@hjp.at> - 2011-07-08 14:09 +0200
Re: Good Linux to start with Anton Meyninger <anton.meyninger@gmail.com> - 2011-07-05 13:07 +0200
Re: Good Linux to start with Aragorn <stryder@telenet.be.invalid> - 2011-07-06 03:52 +0200
Re: Good Linux to start with The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2011-07-06 12:16 +0100
Re: Good Linux to start with Aragorn <stryder@telenet.be.invalid> - 2011-07-06 19:10 +0200
Re: Good Linux to start with The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2011-07-06 18:30 +0100
Re: Good Linux to start with Aragorn <stryder@telenet.be.invalid> - 2011-07-07 01:57 +0200
Re: Good Linux to start with Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2011-07-07 03:26 +0000
Re: Good Linux to start with The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2011-07-07 05:48 +0100
Re: Good Linux to start with Balwinder S Dheeman <bsd.SANSPAM@anu.homelinux.net> - 2011-07-07 11:15 +0530
Re: Good Linux to start with The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2011-07-07 07:14 +0100
Re: Good Linux to start with The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2011-07-07 05:45 +0100
Re: Good Linux to start with Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2011-07-07 09:53 +0100
Re: Good Linux to start with Mark <i@dontgetlotsofspamanymore.invalid> - 2011-07-07 10:41 +0100
Re: Good Linux to start with Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2011-07-07 11:32 +0100
Re: Good Linux to start with The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2011-07-07 13:49 +0100
Re: Good Linux to start with Mark <i@dontgetlotsofspamanymore.invalid> - 2011-07-07 15:01 +0100
Re: Good Linux to start with The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2011-07-07 15:16 +0100
Re: Good Linux to start with "Peter J. Holzer" <hjp-usenet2@hjp.at> - 2011-07-07 23:04 +0200
Re: Good Linux to start with Mark <i@dontgetlotsofspamanymore.invalid> - 2011-07-08 08:58 +0100
Re: Good Linux to start with "Peter J. Holzer" <hjp-usenet2@hjp.at> - 2011-07-08 14:19 +0200
Re: Good Linux to start with The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2011-07-08 13:44 +0100
Re: Good Linux to start with Mark <i@dontgetlotsofspamanymore.invalid> - 2011-07-11 09:39 +0100
Re: Good Linux to start with blmblm@myrealbox.com <blmblm.myrealbox@gmail.com> - 2011-07-10 19:02 +0000
Re: Good Linux to start with blmblm@myrealbox.com <blmblm.myrealbox@gmail.com> - 2011-07-10 19:01 +0000
Re: Good Linux to start with Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2011-07-07 03:16 +0000
Re: Good Linux to start with The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2011-07-07 05:47 +0100
Re: Good Linux to start with Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2011-07-07 05:00 +0000
Re: Good Linux to start with "Peter J. Holzer" <hjp-usenet2@hjp.at> - 2011-07-07 22:42 +0200
Re: Good Linux to start with Aragorn <stryder@telenet.be.invalid> - 2011-07-07 23:41 +0200
Re: Good Linux to start with "Peter J. Holzer" <hjp-usenet2@hjp.at> - 2011-07-08 14:07 +0200
Re: Good Linux to start with Aragorn <stryder@telenet.be.invalid> - 2011-07-09 02:05 +0200
Re: Good Linux to start with "Peter J. Holzer" <hjp-usenet2@hjp.at> - 2011-07-09 21:10 +0200
Re: Good Linux to start with Aragorn <stryder@telenet.be.invalid> - 2011-07-10 02:16 +0200
Re: Good Linux to start with Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2011-07-10 10:42 +0100
Re: Good Linux to start with Aragorn <stryder@telenet.be.invalid> - 2011-07-11 05:03 +0200
Re: Good Linux to start with The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2011-07-11 08:23 +0100
Re: Good Linux to start with Mark <i@dontgetlotsofspamanymore.invalid> - 2011-07-11 09:52 +0100
Re: Good Linux to start with Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2011-07-11 11:16 +0100
Re: Good Linux to start with Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2011-07-10 03:49 +0000
Re: Good Linux to start with "Peter J. Holzer" <hjp-usenet2@hjp.at> - 2011-07-11 13:56 +0200
Re: Good Linux to start with blmblm@myrealbox.com <blmblm.myrealbox@gmail.com> - 2011-07-11 22:31 +0000
Re: Good Linux to start with "Peter J. Holzer" <hjp-usenet2@hjp.at> - 2011-07-12 15:30 +0200
Re: Good Linux to start with blmblm@myrealbox.com <blmblm.myrealbox@gmail.com> - 2011-07-12 22:28 +0000
Re: Good Linux to start with Feranija <feranija@net...> - 2011-07-06 11:37 -0700
Re: Good Linux to start with TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> - 2011-07-18 09:35 -0400
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| From | blmblm@myrealbox.com <blmblm.myrealbox@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2011-07-11 22:31 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <981bt4FlgtU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #1745 |
In article <slrnj1lp7e.ffn.hjp-usenet2@hrunkner.hjp.at>, Peter J. Holzer <hjp-usenet2@hjp.at> wrote: > On 2011-07-10 03:49, Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> wrote: > > On 2011-07-09, Peter J. Holzer <hjp-usenet2@hjp.at> wrote: > >> On 2011-07-09 00:05, Aragorn <stryder@telenet.be.invalid> wrote: [ snip ] > > Yellow Pages, later renamed to NIS, and some more recent > > directory services, extend the Unix multiuser paradigm for > > networked environments. > > YP/NIS (which I first encountered in 1987 or 1988, I think) does little > more than synchronize password files[1] (and other config files) between > a master and several slaves. [ snip ] > [1] It keeps them in a different place and uses a different format for > performance reasons, but that doesn't change the principle. Where is this other place? My CPOE uses NIS on a network on Linux systems (Red Hat and derivatives), and it sure *seems* like login on an NIS client machine requires communication with the NIS server, except for those few users listed in the local /etc/passwd file. I'm not saying you're wrong, just puzzled/curious now .... [ snip ] -- B. L. Massingill ObDisclaimer: I don't speak for my employers; they return the favor.
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| From | "Peter J. Holzer" <hjp-usenet2@hjp.at> |
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| Date | 2011-07-12 15:30 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <slrnj1oj3e.co0.hjp-usenet2@hrunkner.hjp.at> |
| In reply to | #1747 |
On 2011-07-11 22:31, blmblm myrealbox.com <blmblm.myrealbox@gmail.com> wrote: > In article <slrnj1lp7e.ffn.hjp-usenet2@hrunkner.hjp.at>, > Peter J. Holzer <hjp-usenet2@hjp.at> wrote: >> On 2011-07-10 03:49, Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> wrote: >> > On 2011-07-09, Peter J. Holzer <hjp-usenet2@hjp.at> wrote: >> >> On 2011-07-09 00:05, Aragorn <stryder@telenet.be.invalid> wrote: > > [ snip ] > >> > Yellow Pages, later renamed to NIS, and some more recent >> > directory services, extend the Unix multiuser paradigm for >> > networked environments. >> >> YP/NIS (which I first encountered in 1987 or 1988, I think) does little >> more than synchronize password files[1] (and other config files) between >> a master and several slaves. > > [ snip ] > >> [1] It keeps them in a different place and uses a different format for >> performance reasons, but that doesn't change the principle. > > Where is this other place? My CPOE uses NIS on a network on Linux > systems (Red Hat and derivatives), and it sure *seems* like login > on an NIS client machine requires communication with the NIS server, > except for those few users listed in the local /etc/passwd file. It's been about 10 years since I last used NIS, so my memory may be spotty, but AFAIR: The files to be shared over NIS are kept in (subdirectories of) /var/nis (or similar) both on the master and the slaves. They are in dbm format, typically replicated for each key (so for the passwd file there is one copy indexed by name and one indexed by uid) for fast access. Updates happen on the master, and are immediately replicated to all reachable slaves. In addition there is a cron job to synchronize slaves which have missed an update because they were unreachable. Read-only operations on the slaves access only the local copy. So a login should work even if the master ist unreachable. I do remember that there were some cases where a slave tried to contact the master even though that wasn't really necessary but I don't remember the details. hp
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| From | blmblm@myrealbox.com <blmblm.myrealbox@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2011-07-12 22:28 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <98403rF6jtU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #1755 |
In article <slrnj1oj3e.co0.hjp-usenet2@hrunkner.hjp.at>, Peter J. Holzer <hjp-usenet2@hjp.at> wrote: > On 2011-07-11 22:31, blmblm myrealbox.com <blmblm.myrealbox@gmail.com> wrote: > > In article <slrnj1lp7e.ffn.hjp-usenet2@hrunkner.hjp.at>, > > Peter J. Holzer <hjp-usenet2@hjp.at> wrote: > >> On 2011-07-10 03:49, Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> wrote: > >> > On 2011-07-09, Peter J. Holzer <hjp-usenet2@hjp.at> wrote: > >> >> On 2011-07-09 00:05, Aragorn <stryder@telenet.be.invalid> wrote: > > > > [ snip ] > > > >> > Yellow Pages, later renamed to NIS, and some more recent > >> > directory services, extend the Unix multiuser paradigm for > >> > networked environments. > >> > >> YP/NIS (which I first encountered in 1987 or 1988, I think) does little > >> more than synchronize password files[1] (and other config files) between > >> a master and several slaves. > > > > [ snip ] > > > >> [1] It keeps them in a different place and uses a different format for > >> performance reasons, but that doesn't change the principle. > > > > Where is this other place? My CPOE uses NIS on a network on Linux > > systems (Red Hat and derivatives), and it sure *seems* like login > > on an NIS client machine requires communication with the NIS server, > > except for those few users listed in the local /etc/passwd file. > > It's been about 10 years since I last used NIS, so my memory may be > spotty, but AFAIR: > > The files to be shared over NIS are kept in (subdirectories of) > /var/nis (or similar) both on the master and the slaves. Interesting -- these directories exist on both server and client at that CPOE, but they don't seem to contain any files. So either implementations have changed in the past 10 years (imagine that :-) ), or there's a configuration parameter, or something? > They are in dbm format, typically replicated for each key (so for the > passwd file there is one copy indexed by name and one indexed by uid) > for fast access. > > Updates happen on the master, and are immediately replicated to all > reachable slaves. In addition there is a cron job to synchronize slaves > which have missed an update because they were unreachable. > > Read-only operations on the slaves access only the local copy. So a > login should work even if the master ist unreachable. I do remember that > there were some cases where a slave tried to contact the master even > though that wasn't really necessary but I don't remember the details. It sounds sensible, but my experience is that logins don't work if the server is unreachable, with the exception of those usernames listed in the local password file. Possibly different configuration, changes in implementation, .... ? Hm. -- B. L. Massingill ObDisclaimer: I don't speak for my employers; they return the favor.
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| From | Feranija <feranija@net...> |
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| Date | 2011-07-06 11:37 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <iv2a1l$rbq$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #1554 |
On 2011-07-03 18:40, Halberstam Reader wrote: > > Which is a good Linux distro for a competent (non-Linux) computer > person to install on a computer. Any. > I've heard that Debian is best, but a major pain to install, and > that a newbie should avoid it. What's the next best? You are wrong on Debian. Debian today is as easy to install and run in no time as any other distro which caters to people who will be satisfied with its quite reasonable default options. Try to install pre-2000 debian, for example v2.0. Your question would be sensible if you have asked it with mentioning Debian some 12 or thirteen years ago. Back than, besides a generic kernel able just to get the system up and barely running, you had nothing; without compiling your own kernel printer wouldn't work, no sound etc... You had to select those modules in kernel config and compile. MAKEDEV for your devices if they are antyhing but common and widely used. Today even Slackware comes with so called "huge" kernel with all precompiled modules for almost everything, and udev takes care of your devices, you need to do nothing - if you are a Windows person who is not willing to mess with fine tuning. Compared to Debian from pre-2000, installing Slackware of today is a pure luxury. Any distro will do; take one with a GNOME or KDE graphic environment, and the rest is just a matter of knowing names of applications you want to use and installing them by couple of clicks.
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| From | TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> |
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| Date | 2011-07-18 09:35 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <j01cru$fb4$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #1554 |
On 07/03/2011 09:40 PM, Halberstam Reader wrote: > > Which is a good Linux distro for a competent (non-Linux) computer > person to install on a computer. I've heard that Debian is best, but > a major pain to install, and that a newbie should avoid it. What's > the next best? I stumbled onto this thread a few minutes ago. If you haven't been scared away by the discussion by now, you have the determination to do just fine, no matter which one you choose. TJ
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