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| Started by | Dave <dboland9@protonmail.com> |
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| First post | 2019-08-22 09:15 -0400 |
| Last post | 2019-08-26 13:26 -0400 |
| Articles | 11 on this page of 111 — 25 participants |
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Best Linux for senior citizens? Dave <dboland9@protonmail.com> - 2019-08-22 09:15 -0400
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-08-22 15:45 +0200
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Dave <dboland9@protonmail.com> - 2019-08-22 10:28 -0400
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2019-08-22 15:39 +0100
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-08-22 16:54 +0200
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2019-08-22 11:07 -0400
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-08-22 20:41 +0200
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Popping Mad <rainbow@colition.gov> - 2019-08-25 10:37 -0400
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Popping Mad <rainbow@colition.gov> - 2019-08-25 10:32 -0400
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2019-08-22 17:28 +0100
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2019-08-22 18:46 +0000
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2019-08-22 15:35 -0400
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? andrew <andrew@skamandros.invalid> - 2019-08-29 03:25 +0000
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? "L.A. Rathbone" <please@replytolist.com> - 2019-08-29 03:27 +0000
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? andrew <andrew@skamandros.invalid> - 2019-08-29 04:03 +0000
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? "L.A. Rathbone" <please@replytolist.com> - 2019-08-30 02:40 +0000
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? andrew <andrew@skamandros.invalid> - 2019-08-30 05:24 +0000
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2019-08-23 15:49 -0700
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2019-08-25 23:00 +0000
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2019-08-25 16:50 -0700
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2019-08-26 23:35 +0000
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2019-08-26 17:48 -0700
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2019-08-26 20:16 -0500
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> - 2019-08-26 19:46 -0700
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2019-08-27 14:42 -0400
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-08-27 23:20 +0200
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2019-08-28 13:01 -0400
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-08-29 15:57 +0200
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2019-08-26 22:12 -0700
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2019-08-27 03:22 -0700
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-08-27 13:43 +0200
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? "L.A. Rathbone" <please@replytolist.com> - 2019-08-27 16:38 +0000
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2019-08-27 17:12 +0000
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2019-08-27 16:53 -0500
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2019-08-27 15:46 -0700
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-08-28 14:21 +0200
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2019-08-28 07:49 -0700
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2019-08-29 07:45 +0100
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2019-08-28 02:11 +0000
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Jerry Peters <jerry@example.invalid> - 2019-08-28 20:19 +0000
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2019-08-29 02:56 +0000
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2019-08-27 19:11 +0000
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2019-08-27 16:53 -0500
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-08-27 13:08 +0200
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) - 2019-08-29 16:48 -0500
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2019-08-27 14:34 -0400
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-08-27 23:16 +0200
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2019-08-28 12:59 -0400
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) - 2019-08-29 16:50 -0500
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2019-08-27 16:53 -0500
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2019-08-28 13:50 -0400
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2019-08-28 11:45 -0700
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2019-08-29 12:27 -0400
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> - 2019-09-21 10:47 -0400
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> - 2019-09-21 10:27 -0400
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2019-08-28 18:50 +0000
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-08-29 15:59 +0200
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-08-27 17:00 -0400
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-08-28 14:23 +0200
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2019-08-27 23:45 +0000
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2019-08-28 13:59 -0400
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2019-08-28 23:40 +0000
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> - 2019-09-21 10:18 -0400
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2019-08-22 15:39 +0100
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2019-08-26 08:31 -0500
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-08-26 16:47 +0200
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2019-08-26 10:55 -0500
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2019-08-26 13:18 -0400
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-08-26 23:45 +0200
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2019-08-26 17:36 -0500
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2019-08-27 14:24 -0400
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-08-27 23:12 +0200
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2019-08-26 16:37 +0100
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2019-08-26 19:23 +0000
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? ray carter <ray@zianet.com> - 2019-08-22 14:45 +0000
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Bit Twister <BitTwister@mouse-potato.com> - 2019-08-22 10:19 -0500
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Dave <dboland9@protonmail.com> - 2019-08-22 14:37 -0400
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Bit Twister <BitTwister@mouse-potato.com> - 2019-08-22 16:04 -0500
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2019-08-22 18:43 +0000
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Dave <dboland9@protonmail.com> - 2019-08-22 17:08 -0400
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? John Forkosh <forkosh@panix.com> - 2019-08-23 05:25 +0000
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2019-08-23 15:45 -0400
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2019-08-24 14:55 -0400
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-08-24 21:02 +0200
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2019-08-22 14:48 -0400
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Dave <dboland9@protonmail.com> - 2019-08-22 17:15 -0400
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-08-23 00:11 +0200
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2019-08-23 08:36 +0100
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2019-08-23 09:06 +0100
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2019-08-23 12:33 +0100
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2019-08-23 14:03 +0100
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-08-23 16:28 +0200
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2019-08-26 08:31 -0500
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Jerry Peters <jerry@example.invalid> - 2019-08-26 20:35 +0000
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2019-08-26 13:25 -0400
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2019-08-23 08:31 +0100
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2019-08-23 03:54 +0000
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-08-23 01:05 -0400
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Dave <dboland9@protonmail.com> - 2019-08-23 02:04 -0400
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Bit Twister <BitTwister@mouse-potato.com> - 2019-08-23 01:59 -0500
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-08-23 03:06 -0400
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Dave <dboland9@protonmail.com> - 2019-08-23 07:27 -0400
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-08-23 16:35 +0200
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2019-08-23 18:05 +0100
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? "L.A. Rathbone" <please@replytolist.com> - 2019-08-25 22:23 +0000
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2019-08-26 13:01 -0400
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2019-08-26 08:31 -0500
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2019-08-26 13:04 -0400
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2019-08-26 17:49 +0000
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> - 2019-08-26 09:45 -0700
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-08-26 13:26 -0400
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| From | "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> |
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| Date | 2019-08-23 03:06 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <op.z6yrco0ba3w0dxdave@hodgins.homeip.net> |
| In reply to | #27932 |
On Fri, 23 Aug 2019 02:04:17 -0400, Dave <dboland9@protonmail.com> wrote: > That is an interesting idea. My understanding is that there is a room > full of Windows computers in this case and the desire is to make them > all independent. My guess is that your idea works only if there is > someone there that can do the same job you do, and there is not. They either have to have someone who will handle maintenance for them, or they will need to be taught how to install updates. While linux is much more secure than windows, by it's design, it still must be kept up-to-date. > Earlier today I downloaded Mageria. I do have a few questions if you > have a moment. How well stocked and how fresh are the software > repositories? Server users seem to like the stability of older > software, but desktop users, as is the case here, like to have nearly > the latest. Do they have a good software store and client, or do they > use Synaptic? I like Synaptic, but would be hesitant to offer it to > older people unless there was someone to guide them (doubtful). > As I recall, Mandrake had its own packaging system. Is that true of > Mageria? I'm a little biased toward apt/Debian, but am flexible if it > works well. Mageia does use rpmdrake/urpmi as it's default gui/cli package manager, but it also has yum/dnf available for those who prefer to use those. Mageia is not a rolling release. Each release only gets security and bugfix updates. New versions of packages are only included as updates if certain criteria are met. https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Updates_policy#Version_Policy The original intention was a new release every 9 months, with each release being supported for 18 months, but as we will not release a new version until we are satisfied that it's ready, the releases have been farther apart. Each release has been supported for either 18 months, or 3 months after the release of the next version, whichever is longer. It allows users to install updates without having to worry about having major changes being introduced, until it's time to upgrade to the next release, which can either be done as new installs, or as an upgrade using rpmdrake/urpmi or yum/dnf. The package repositories are divided into open source free of patents, closed source, and open source with patents, with those being divided into release, updates, and testing repos. For each of those, there are x86_64, i586 repos. Arm is also available, though it's only experimental and doesn't receive the same level of updates or support. You can browse through the mirrors, with a good example being https://mirror.math.princeton.edu/pub/mageia/distrib/7.1/ to see the full lists of packages available. The iso images released are GNOME, KDE/Plasma and XFCE live iso images, what we call a classical iso, and network install iso images. The iso images are hybrid images that can be copied directly to a usb drive, or burned to a dvd. The Gnome and KDE/Plasma images are x86_64 only, while the other iso images are available for both x86_64 and i586. The live iso images can be booted to run, or be used to install to the hard drive, while the classical is only used for installing. The classical iso images also include additional desktops such as cinnamon, lxde, and mate, with more available from the online repos such as AfterStep, enlightenment, icewm, and mate. About 30 desktops are available in the online repos, plus there's always the option of When copying one of the live iso images to a usb stick using isodumper, there's an option to use the rest of the free space on the stick as a persistence partition, to allow the stick to be used as a very slow hard drive, and keep changes available after rebooting. Any other questions? Regards, Dave Hodgins -- Change dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org to davidwhodgins@teksavvy.com for email replies.
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| From | Dave <dboland9@protonmail.com> |
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| Date | 2019-08-23 07:27 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <qjoijj$4pn$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #27934 |
On 8/23/19 3:06 AM, David W. Hodgins wrote: > On Fri, 23 Aug 2019 02:04:17 -0400, Dave <dboland9@protonmail.com> wrote: > >> That is an interesting idea. My understanding is that there is a room >> full of Windows computers in this case and the desire is to make them >> all independent. My guess is that your idea works only if there is >> someone there that can do the same job you do, and there is not. > > They either have to have someone who will handle maintenance for them, > or they will need to be taught how to install updates. While linux is > much more secure than windows, by it's design, it still must be kept > up-to-date. > >> Earlier today I downloaded Mageria. I do have a few questions if you >> have a moment. How well stocked and how fresh are the software >> repositories? Server users seem to like the stability of older >> software, but desktop users, as is the case here, like to have nearly >> the latest. Do they have a good software store and client, or do they >> use Synaptic? I like Synaptic, but would be hesitant to offer it to >> older people unless there was someone to guide them (doubtful). >> As I recall, Mandrake had its own packaging system. Is that true of >> Mageria? I'm a little biased toward apt/Debian, but am flexible if it >> works well. > > Mageia does use rpmdrake/urpmi as it's default gui/cli package manager, but > it also has yum/dnf available for those who prefer to use those. > > Mageia is not a rolling release. Each release only gets security and bugfix > updates. New versions of packages are only included as updates if certain > criteria are met. https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Updates_policy#Version_Policy > > The original intention was a new release every 9 months, with each > release being supported for 18 months, but as we will not release a > new version until we are satisfied that it's ready, the releases have > been farther apart. Each release has been supported for either 18 months, > or 3 months after the release of the next version, whichever is longer. > > It allows users to install updates without having to worry about having > major changes being introduced, until it's time to upgrade to the next > release, which can either be done as new installs, or as an upgrade using > rpmdrake/urpmi or yum/dnf. > > The package repositories are divided into open source free of patents, > closed source, and open source with patents, with those being divided > into release, updates, and testing repos. For each of those, there are > x86_64, i586 repos. Arm is also available, though it's only experimental > and doesn't receive the same level of updates or support. > You can browse through the mirrors, with a good example being > https://mirror.math.princeton.edu/pub/mageia/distrib/7.1/ > to see the full lists of packages available. > > The iso images released are GNOME, KDE/Plasma and XFCE live iso images, > what we call a classical iso, and network install iso images. > > The iso images are hybrid images that can be copied directly to a usb > drive, or burned to a dvd. The Gnome and KDE/Plasma images are x86_64 > only, while the other iso images are available for both x86_64 and i586. > > The live iso images can be booted to run, or be used to install to > the hard drive, while the classical is only used for installing. > The classical iso images also include additional desktops such as > cinnamon, lxde, and mate, with more available from the online repos > such as AfterStep, enlightenment, icewm, and mate. About 30 desktops > are available in the online repos, plus there's always the option > of > > When copying one of the live iso images to a usb stick using isodumper, > there's an option to use the rest of the free space on the stick as > a persistence partition, to allow the stick to be used as a very slow > hard drive, and keep changes available after rebooting. > > Any other questions? > > Regards, Dave Hodgins > David and Mr. Bit Twister (love that handle) - Thanks sooo much! I hope to find the time this week end to take Mageia out for a test drive. Have some bike rides to do and some lawn mowers to maintain, so time will be tight. Thanks again. Dave Boland
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2019-08-23 16:35 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <97a53g-298.ln1@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #27934 |
On 23/08/2019 09.06, David W. Hodgins wrote: > On Fri, 23 Aug 2019 02:04:17 -0400, Dave <dboland9@protonmail.com> wrote: > >> That is an interesting idea. My understanding is that there is a room >> full of Windows computers in this case and the desire is to make them >> all independent. My guess is that your idea works only if there is >> someone there that can do the same job you do, and there is not. > > They either have to have someone who will handle maintenance for them, > or they will need to be taught how to install updates. While linux is > much more secure than windows, by it's design, it still must be kept > up-to-date. That's a very important point, for any Linux distro (or non linux!). -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2019-08-23 18:05 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <qjp6c4$am9$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #27943 |
On 23/08/2019 15:35, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 23/08/2019 09.06, David W. Hodgins wrote: >> On Fri, 23 Aug 2019 02:04:17 -0400, Dave <dboland9@protonmail.com> wrote: >> >>> That is an interesting idea. My understanding is that there is a room >>> full of Windows computers in this case and the desire is to make them >>> all independent. My guess is that your idea works only if there is >>> someone there that can do the same job you do, and there is not. >> >> They either have to have someone who will handle maintenance for them, >> or they will need to be taught how to install updates. While linux is >> much more secure than windows, by it's design, it still must be kept >> up-to-date. > > That's a very important point, for any Linux distro (or non linux!). > Well no. My 75 year old neigbour simply clicks on the update icon and enters hios password. He has a lot less trouble with that than managaing his facebook account > -- "I am inclined to tell the truth and dislike people who lie consistently. This makes me unfit for the company of people of a Left persuasion, and all women"
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| From | "L.A. Rathbone" <please@replytolist.com> |
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| Date | 2019-08-25 22:23 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnqm62j5.oi4.please@logantablet.local.domain> |
| In reply to | #27907 |
On 2019-08-22, Dave wrote: > A friend of mine works with seniors and they are facing getting rid of > what ever Windows version they had (7 maybe - don't know for sure) on > their many computers. Windows 10 seems to be an issue for them for a lot > of reasons. So he asked me about Linux. The problem for me is that I > don't have any experience with this. So, I'm hoping that some of you > have had experience with Linux for seniors that may have had some > computer experience - Windows XP perhaps - and can describe the > situation they faced, what distribution worked best, and anything that > may be of interest. > > [snip] > > I use Ubuntu Mate, though that will change as soon as I find a Linux I > like better. My needs though are not the same as seniors, so what I use > likely won't help them. You know, Ubuntu MATE wouldn't be the worst choice. I'd probably put it between that and Xubuntu. Basically I think you'd want a distro with discrete LTS releases (stay far, far away from rolling release for this use case), with a simple GUI that works on older hardware, and with a graphical updater that is very, very simple and uncluttered. Debian Stable would probably be a *pretty* good choice, except my understanding is its standard GUI updater is Synaptic, which would be *way* too cluttered for the average senior citizen to follow.
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| From | Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> |
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| Date | 2019-08-26 13:01 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <87o90b6eul.fsf@usenet.ankman.de> |
| In reply to | #27952 |
On Sun, 25 Aug 2019 22:23:40 -0000 (UTC), L.A. Rathbone wrote: > > Debian Stable would probably be a *pretty* good choice, except my > understanding is its standard GUI updater is Synaptic, which would be > *way* too cluttered for the average senior citizen to follow. Same here. I thought I was the only one thinking it's confusing. Am using the non GUI aptitude which is interactive. -- Andreas My random thoughts and comments https://news-commentaries.blogspot.com/
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| From | Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> |
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| Date | 2019-08-26 08:31 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <FoidnVV4etbYQv7AnZ2dnUU7-a_NnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #27907 |
At Thu, 22 Aug 2019 09:15:30 -0400 Dave <dboland9@protonmail.com> wrote:
>
> A friend of mine works with seniors and they are facing getting rid of
> what ever Windows version they had (7 maybe - don't know for sure) on
> their many computers. Windows 10 seems to be an issue for them for a lot
> of reasons. So he asked me about Linux. The problem for me is that I
> don't have any experience with this. So, I'm hoping that some of you
> have had experience with Linux for seniors that may have had some
> computer experience - Windows XP perhaps - and can describe the
> situation they faced, what distribution worked best, and anything that
> may be of interest.
Mint seems to be working well for a couple of seniors I know of. Of course,
all they are doing is E-Mail over a dialup connection.
We run straight Ubuntu (currently 18.04) on the patron workstations (using
DRBL) and library owned laptops at the local library. And Raspbian on the
Raspberry Pi connected to the large screen in the library meeting room (used
mostly by an adult watercolor painting group, consisting mostly of senior
ladies). This seem to work well. People of all ages (generally non-"geek")
have no trouble using stock Ubuntu. The soon-to-retire Libraian uses Ubuntu on
her worktation (web surfing, E-Mail, documents, and spreadsheets).
>
> I have been told that Linux Mint and Elementary are good. I find Mint
> to be ugly, and their web site demands cookies ( a total non-starter
> with me). Elementary wants a donation up front - not going to happen,
> though I would gladly consider it if it is selected.
ALL web sites, other than static HTML ones, are going to use cookies. Get over
it. I *personally* don't like Ubuntu or Mint. I basically don't like ANY
GUI desktop (mess-windows, MacOSX, or Linux). [give me a Model 33 any day of
the week :-)]
>
> I use Ubuntu Mate, though that will change as soon as I find a Linux I
> like better. My needs though are not the same as seniors, so what I use
> likely won't help them.
And I use CentOS and use almost no GUI fun and games, so what?
>
> Thanks,
> Dave
>
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| From | Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> |
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| Date | 2019-08-26 13:04 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <87lfvf6eos.fsf@usenet.ankman.de> |
| In reply to | #27956 |
On Mon, 26 Aug 2019 08:31:49 -0500, Robert Heller wrote: > > Mint seems to be working well for a couple of seniors I know of. Of course, > all they are doing is E-Mail over a dialup connection. Wow, one can still dial-in with analog modems? I know Bell offered that service for the DSL account in case DSL failed or something but have discontinued that server a while ago, IIRC. Anyway, show your folks also BBS then. ;-) -- Andreas
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| From | Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> |
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| Date | 2019-08-26 17:49 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <20190826134524@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #27963 |
On 2019-08-26, Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote: > Wow, one can still dial-in with analog modems? I know Bell offered that > service for the DSL account in case DSL failed or something but have > discontinued that server a while ago, IIRC. Rural areas in the U.S. frequently do not have broadband available, except maybe via satellite. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Roger Blake (Posts from Google Groups killfiled due to excess spam.) NSA sedition and treason -- http://www.DeathToNSAthugs.com Don't talk to cops! -- http://www.DontTalkToCops.com Badges don't grant extra rights -- http://www.CopBlock.org -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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| From | Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> |
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| Date | 2019-08-26 09:45 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <qk12b9$u9$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #27907 |
On 8/22/19 6:15 AM, Dave wrote: > A friend of mine works with seniors and they are facing getting rid of > what ever Windows version they had (7 maybe - don't know for sure) on > their many computers. Windows 10 seems to be an issue for them for a lot > of reasons. So he asked me about Linux. The problem for me is that I > don't have any experience with this. So, I'm hoping that some of you > have had experience with Linux for seniors that may have had some > computer experience - Windows XP perhaps - and can describe the > situation they faced, what distribution worked best, and anything that > may be of interest. > > I have been told that Linux Mint and Elementary are good. I find Mint > to be ugly, and their web site demands cookies ( a total non-starter > with me). Elementary wants a donation up front - not going to happen, > though I would gladly consider it if it is selected. > > I use Ubuntu Mate, though that will change as soon as I find a Linux I > like better. My needs though are not the same as seniors, so what I use > likely won't help them. > > Thanks, > Dave I used Commodore's wonderful Amiga until and long after CBM went out of business. I started with Mandriva at about 65 or 66 yoa , when it went out of business I tried PCLinux and then Mageia both forks of Mandrake and Mandriva. PCLinux uses Synaptic package manager and Mageia has recently changed its package manager after it decided the original Mandriva choice was not good enough any more. But unless you are a hobbyist PCLinux may be a bit much though using only long term support kernels might make it easier but it should be updated frequently. Currently using a Linux 5.2.10 kernel as I write this note at 82 yoa. Mageia and PCLinux both present typical Windows XP setup with the task panel at the bottom of the screen, and so do a host of other systems such as Emmabuntus, Zorin, Super-X and others. And what processor are you using. If you have a 32 bit i386 to i686, 64 bit with the Pentiums on to modern stuff like the multi-core Intel and AMD Ryzen. PCLinux stopped support the older processor but Mageia has good support with the xfce. Emmabuntu does as well, If you have a really slower older model you might want to check out MX Linux, or if you have serious non communication work to do. Find and join a Linux Users Group and you can find one by using a net search engine. bliss -- bliss dash SF 4 ever at dslextreme dot com
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| From | "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> |
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| Date | 2019-08-26 13:26 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <op.z6432a1ia3w0dxdave@hodgins.homeip.net> |
| In reply to | #27961 |
On Mon, 26 Aug 2019 12:45:27 -0400, Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> wrote: > PCLinux uses Synaptic package manager and Mageia has recently > changed its package manager after it decided the original Mandriva > choice was not good enough any more. Care to point out anywhere where Mageia has indicated rpmdrake or urpmi are being dropped? While dnfdragora and dnf have been added to make Mageia easier to use, there are no plans that I'm aware of to drop rpmdrake or urpmi. While some people may have indicated that this is what they would prefer, a decision like that would have to be made by the council, as it would impact many of the Mageia teams. As a member of the council I can state that no such decision has been made. As long as we have developers willing to maintain the packages involved (which we have), I see no reason to expect that will change. > Mageia and PCLinux both present typical Windows XP setup with the task > panel at the bottom of the screen, and so do a host of other > systems such as Emmabuntus, Zorin, Super-X and others. Depends on which desktop environment is chosen, if any. Mageia has around 30 available. Regards, Dave Hodgins -- Change dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org to davidwhodgins@teksavvy.com for email replies.
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