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| Started by | Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@usenet.mail.kapsi.fi> |
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| First post | 2025-10-07 16:07 +0300 |
| Last post | 2025-10-12 12:10 +0100 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 344 — 21 participants |
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Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@usenet.mail.kapsi.fi> - 2025-10-07 16:07 +0300
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-07 14:39 +0100
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-07 22:52 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-08 01:35 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-08 10:53 +0200
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-08 21:06 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-09 21:25 +0200
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-09 21:45 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-09 21:41 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-10 09:21 +0200
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-10 13:21 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-10 21:15 +0200
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-10 21:53 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-11 02:46 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-11 02:38 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-09 02:09 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-10-09 18:52 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-09 21:33 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-10-11 15:10 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-11 17:48 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-11 19:01 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-11 19:08 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-11 19:32 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-11 22:29 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-10-12 11:07 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-10-13 09:06 -0700
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-10-18 16:24 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-10-18 21:02 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-19 01:36 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-19 13:39 +0200
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-20 02:10 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-20 05:36 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-20 02:33 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-20 02:31 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-20 19:21 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-10-19 12:17 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-19 02:22 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-19 04:28 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-19 11:19 +0100
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-10-20 09:20 -0700
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-10-25 12:49 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-25 16:45 +0100
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-25 22:16 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-26 01:51 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-26 04:40 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-26 08:42 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-26 09:11 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-26 10:06 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-26 19:25 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-26 19:48 +0100
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-26 21:29 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-27 00:44 +0100
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-26 00:57 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-26 07:14 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-26 11:05 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-26 02:00 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-26 11:02 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-25 22:03 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-25 21:19 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-26 01:50 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-26 04:40 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-26 14:52 +0100
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-26 19:06 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-26 20:29 +0100
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-26 21:22 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-26 22:17 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-27 10:09 +0100
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-27 21:23 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-28 00:47 +0100
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-28 00:27 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-28 07:45 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-28 23:05 +0000
Accents. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-28 13:46 +0100
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-28 18:47 +0000
Re: Accents. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-28 20:21 +0000
Re: Accents. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-28 23:46 +0100
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-29 01:41 +0000
Re: Accents. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-29 11:07 +0000
Re: Accents. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-29 18:47 +0000
Re: Accents. Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-29 22:15 +0000
Re: Accents. Allodoxaphobia <trepidation@example.net> - 2025-10-30 17:29 +0000
Re: Accents. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-30 17:31 +0000
Re: Accents. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-30 19:31 +0000
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-30 20:14 +0000
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-30 20:11 +0000
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-30 20:10 +0000
Re: Accents. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-30 21:35 +0100
Re: Accents. candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-10-30 21:40 +0000
Re: Accents. Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-30 15:18 -0700
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-31 03:17 +0000
Re: Accents. Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-30 21:46 -0700
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-31 19:25 +0000
LED lights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-01 14:38 +0100
Re: LED lights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-01 20:50 -0400
Re: LED lights The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-02 11:14 +0000
Re: LED lights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-02 15:41 +0100
Re: LED lights rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-02 19:57 +0000
Re: LED lights Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-03 00:12 +0000
Re: LED lights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-03 02:38 +0100
Re: LED lights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-03 00:19 -0500
Re: LED lights Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-03 07:03 +0000
Re: LED lights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-03 14:20 -0500
Re: LED lights The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-03 20:02 +0000
Re: LED lights rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-04 04:42 +0000
Re: LED lights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-04 02:31 -0500
Re: LED lights The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-03 10:16 +0000
Re: LED lights rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-02 01:51 +0000
Re: LED lights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-02 15:48 +0100
Re: LED lights rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-02 19:42 +0000
Re: LED lights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-02 21:33 +0100
Re: Accents. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-30 22:21 +0000
Re: Accents. Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-31 04:59 +0000
Re: Accents. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-31 14:41 +0100
Re: Accents. John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-10-31 08:56 -0700
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-31 19:53 +0000
Re: Accents. Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-31 19:02 -0700
Re: Accents. Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-01 02:52 +0000
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-01 05:32 +0000
Re: Accents. Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-11-19 19:19 +0000
TV tropes (was: Re: Accents.) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-20 11:01 +0000
Re: TV tropes "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-20 13:10 +0100
Re: TV tropes Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-20 17:57 +0000
Re: TV tropes "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-20 21:28 +0100
Re: TV tropes Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-11-21 02:10 +0000
Re: TV tropes "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-21 13:14 +0100
Re: TV tropes Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-11-21 02:09 +0000
Re: TV tropes rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-21 07:41 +0000
Re: TV tropes Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-11-21 09:00 +0000
Re: TV tropes The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-21 09:13 +0000
Re: TV tropes "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-21 13:17 +0100
Re: TV tropes rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-21 19:28 +0000
Re: TV tropes "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-21 20:43 +0100
Re: TV tropes The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-21 23:00 +0000
Re: TV tropes rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-22 04:06 +0000
Blade runner "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-01 14:24 +0100
Re: Not Blade Runner Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-01 19:57 +0000
Blade runner "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-01 14:22 +0100
Re: Blade runner rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-02 01:22 +0000
Re: Blade runner "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-02 15:50 +0100
Re: Blade runner rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-02 19:20 +0000
Re: Blade runner "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-02 21:34 +0100
Re: Blade runner rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-03 02:47 +0000
Re: Blade runner "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-03 13:05 +0100
Re: Blade runner rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-03 20:04 +0000
Re: Blade runner c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-03 15:40 -0500
Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-03 22:30 +0100
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-03 17:48 -0500
Re: Flashlights Ian <gay@sfuu.ca> - 2025-11-03 20:26 -0800
Re: Flashlights Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2025-11-04 04:55 +0000
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-04 02:35 -0500
Re: Flashlights Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2025-11-05 03:44 +0000
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-05 01:05 -0500
Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-05 13:20 +0100
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-05 22:08 -0500
Re: Flashlights rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-05 16:33 +0000
Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-05 20:37 +0100
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-05 22:26 -0500
Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-06 11:56 +0100
Re: Flashlights rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-06 18:42 +0000
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-06 17:30 -0500
Re: Flashlights candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-11-07 16:20 +0000
Re: Flashlights The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-07 18:11 +0000
Re: Flashlights rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-07 18:50 +0000
Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-07 22:42 +0100
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-07 21:08 -0500
Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-08 13:31 +0100
Re: Flashlights Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-08 16:05 +0000
Re: Flashlights rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-08 20:06 +0000
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-09 00:04 -0500
Re: Flashlights Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-09 20:08 +0000
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-10 00:41 -0500
Re: Flashlights The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-10 12:07 +0000
Re: Flashlights John-Paul Stewart <jpstewart@personalprojects.net> - 2025-11-09 19:05 -0500
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-10 00:58 -0500
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-05 22:12 -0500
Re: Flashlights rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-06 05:09 +0000
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-06 01:31 -0500
Re: Flashlights rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-06 18:39 +0000
Re: Flashlights rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-04 07:51 +0000
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-04 02:19 -0500
Re: Flashlights The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-04 09:55 +0000
Re: Flashlights Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-11-21 18:16 +0000
Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-21 20:39 +0100
Re: Flashlights The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-21 22:54 +0000
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-21 23:52 -0500
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-21 23:32 -0500
Re: Flashlights The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-22 06:49 +0000
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-22 03:14 -0500
Re: Flashlights The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-22 11:32 +0000
Re: Flashlights Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-22 22:00 +0000
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-23 02:35 -0500
Re: Flashlights The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-23 09:40 +0000
Re: Flashlights Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-23 20:15 +0000
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-23 01:42 -0500
Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-04 11:28 +0100
Re: Flashlights The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-04 11:15 +0000
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-04 13:27 -0500
Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-04 19:37 +0100
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-04 21:12 -0500
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-04 13:22 -0500
Re: Flashlights Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-04 20:52 +0000
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-04 21:23 -0500
Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-05 13:23 +0100
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-05 22:10 -0500
Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-06 12:05 +0100
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-06 17:21 -0500
Re: Flashlights Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-05 07:21 +0000
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-05 03:54 -0500
Re: Flashlights Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-11-21 18:20 +0000
Re: Flashlights The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-04 09:52 +0000
Re: Flashlights Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-05 07:21 +0000
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-05 03:17 -0500
Re: Flashlights The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-05 11:54 +0000
Re: Flashlights rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-05 16:41 +0000
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-05 22:16 -0500
Re: Flashlights Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-05 22:22 +0000
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-05 22:41 -0500
Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-06 12:10 +0100
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-06 17:24 -0500
Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-07 02:44 +0100
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-05 21:53 -0500
Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-04 11:12 +0100
Re: Blade runner "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-03 23:14 +0100
Re: Accents. Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-11-19 19:01 +0000
Re: Accents. Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-31 23:19 +0000
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-01 05:33 +0000
Blade runner. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-01 14:29 +0100
Re: Blade runner. Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-01 19:56 +0000
Re: Blade runner. c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-01 21:38 -0400
Re: Accents. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-01 14:31 +0100
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-31 19:48 +0000
Re: Accents. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-31 22:45 +0000
Re: Accents. Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-31 23:22 +0000
Re: Accents. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-30 21:33 +0100
Re: Accents. Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-30 22:20 +0000
Re: Accents. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-30 23:36 +0100
Re: Accents. Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-31 04:51 +0000
Re: Accents. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-31 14:48 +0100
Re: Accents. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-31 15:03 +0000
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-31 20:15 +0000
Re: Accents. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-01 11:15 +0000
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-02 00:39 +0000
Re: Accents. Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-31 23:26 +0000
Re: Accents. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-01 14:44 +0100
Re: Accents. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-01 14:05 +0000
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-02 00:54 +0000
Re: Accents. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-02 11:15 +0000
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-02 19:02 +0000
Re: Accents. Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-01 20:10 +0000
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-02 00:49 +0000
Re: Accents. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-02 11:13 +0000
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-02 18:48 +0000
Re: Accents. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-03 10:12 +0000
Re: Accents. Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-03 20:04 +0000
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-04 04:28 +0000
Re: Accents. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-03 13:11 +0100
Re: Accents. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-03 12:26 +0000
Re: Accents. John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-11-03 09:17 -0800
Re: Accents. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-01 14:42 +0100
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-31 20:01 +0000
Re: Accents. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-01 11:15 +0000
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-02 00:33 +0000
Re: Accents. Don_from_AZ <djatechNOSPAM@comcast.net.invalid> - 2025-11-01 20:43 -0700
Re: Accents. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-02 19:30 +0000
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-03 02:21 +0000
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-31 03:47 +0000
Re: Accents. Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-10-30 22:48 +0000
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-31 03:58 +0000
Re: Accents. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-31 08:25 +0000
Re: Accents. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-01 20:09 +0100
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-31 03:29 +0000
Re: Accents. Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-30 21:50 -0700
Re: Accents. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-31 08:28 +0000
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-31 19:29 +0000
Re: Accents. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-31 08:27 +0000
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-31 19:41 +0000
Re: Accents. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-31 22:45 +0000
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-01 05:36 +0000
Re: Accents. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-01 20:11 +0100
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-02 00:59 +0000
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-28 18:54 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-28 09:34 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-10-26 13:53 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-10-26 15:40 +0100
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-26 19:11 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-11-02 14:03 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-26 22:20 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-27 08:29 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-11-02 14:11 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-02 14:15 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-03 02:37 +0100
OT -xRe: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-11-02 18:49 -0800
Re: OT -xRe: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-03 06:54 +0000
Re: OT -xRe: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-11-03 08:19 -0800
Re: OT -xRe: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-03 10:18 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-10-27 09:34 -0700
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-27 21:26 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-19 03:36 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-11 19:31 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-12 01:33 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-11 22:52 +0200
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-11 22:48 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-12 02:43 +0200
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-12 12:12 +0100
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-11 22:02 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-12 06:39 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-12 02:59 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-12 19:20 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-10-13 16:50 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-13 18:38 +0100
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-14 01:38 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-14 01:45 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-12 12:17 +0100
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-13 03:28 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-13 03:41 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-13 10:20 +0100
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-13 11:55 +0200
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-13 21:56 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-14 00:35 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-14 01:21 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-14 06:56 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-14 17:20 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-14 20:01 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-15 05:36 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-15 03:33 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-15 21:18 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-16 02:24 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-15 06:31 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-10-15 09:00 -0700
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-15 21:24 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-10-15 15:11 -0700
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-16 02:27 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-16 07:22 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-17 22:24 -0400
Lazarus [Was: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work?] "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-18 20:08 +0200
Re: Lazarus [Was: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work?] c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-19 04:15 -0400
Re: Lazarus [Was: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work?] "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-19 13:46 +0200
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-16 04:36 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-10-16 10:29 -0700
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-16 01:49 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-10-16 15:43 -0700
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-10-14 21:30 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-14 22:11 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-12 12:10 +0100
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-11-01 11:15 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Accents. |
| Message-ID | <10e4q44$16v9t$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #76876 |
On 31/10/2025 20:01, rbowman wrote: > On Fri, 31 Oct 2025 14:48:43 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: > >> Catalan is different, quite different, but it is a language on its own. >> And there are other regional languages. I can not understand a speaker >> of those languages, just some words. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swabian_German > > There is the 't' and 'd' shift that Lawrence mentioned for US English. Germanic, Dutch and German and Yiddish definitely migrate 't' towards 'd' and mangle past participles. And blow 'w' into 'v' A lot of rural immigrants were from Holland, in the past. -- Future generations will wonder in bemused amazement that the early twenty-first century’s developed world went into hysterical panic over a globally average temperature increase of a few tenths of a degree, and, on the basis of gross exaggerations of highly uncertain computer projections combined into implausible chains of inference, proceeded to contemplate a rollback of the industrial age. Richard Lindzen
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-11-02 00:33 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Accents. |
| Message-ID | <mmnn7iFjnd4U5@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #76900 |
On Sat, 1 Nov 2025 11:15:16 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 31/10/2025 20:01, rbowman wrote: >> On Fri, 31 Oct 2025 14:48:43 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> >>> Catalan is different, quite different, but it is a language on its >>> own. >>> And there are other regional languages. I can not understand a speaker >>> of those languages, just some words. >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swabian_German >> >> There is the 't' and 'd' shift that Lawrence mentioned for US English. > > Germanic, Dutch and German and Yiddish definitely migrate 't' towards > 'd' and mangle past participles. And blow 'w' into 'v' > > A lot of rural immigrants were from Holland, in the past. Even in the colonial days there was a significant Dutch/German population in the US. According to the 2000 census, which I think was the last time they asked, 27% of this state claimed German ancestry, followed by 14.8% Irish, 12.6% English, and 10.6 Norwegian. The Indians were 7.4% for some diversity. A friend claimed the local Sons of Norway lodge was mostly Germans. They have a really nice clubhouse, might as well invade. I won't claim it's genetic but I had a hell of a time with 'th' when I was a kid.
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| From | Don_from_AZ <djatechNOSPAM@comcast.net.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-11-01 20:43 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Accents. |
| Message-ID | <87o6pl85h7.fsf@comcast.net.invalid> |
| In reply to | #76925 |
rbowman <bowman@montana.com> writes: > On Sat, 1 Nov 2025 11:15:16 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >> On 31/10/2025 20:01, rbowman wrote: >>> On Fri, 31 Oct 2025 14:48:43 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>> >>>> Catalan is different, quite different, but it is a language on its >>>> own. >>>> And there are other regional languages. I can not understand a speaker >>>> of those languages, just some words. >>> >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swabian_German >>> >>> There is the 't' and 'd' shift that Lawrence mentioned for US English. >> >> Germanic, Dutch and German and Yiddish definitely migrate 't' towards >> 'd' and mangle past participles. And blow 'w' into 'v' >> >> A lot of rural immigrants were from Holland, in the past. > > Even in the colonial days there was a significant Dutch/German population > in the US. According to the 2000 census, which I think was the last time > they asked, 27% of this state claimed German ancestry, followed by 14.8% > Irish, 12.6% English, and 10.6 Norwegian. The Indians were 7.4% for some > diversity. > > A friend claimed the local Sons of Norway lodge was mostly Germans. They > have a really nice clubhouse, might as well invade. > > I won't claim it's genetic but I had a hell of a time with 'th' when I was > a kid. I don't have a problem with most 'th' words like 'this' 'that' or 'these' 'those', but for some reason I've always had a hard time with the word 'thesaurus'. Or as my grandmother may or may not have said: "My tongue got in the way of my eyeteeth, and I couldn't see what I was saying!" -- -Don_from_AZ-
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-11-02 19:30 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Accents. |
| Message-ID | <ojONQ.613514$6_hb.146938@fx46.iad> |
| In reply to | #76941 |
On 2025-11-02, Don_from_AZ <djatechNOSPAM@comcast.net.invalid> wrote: > rbowman <bowman@montana.com> writes: > >> I won't claim it's genetic but I had a hell of a time with 'th' when I was >> a kid. > > I don't have a problem with most 'th' words like 'this' 'that' or > 'these' 'those', but for some reason I've always had a hard time with > the word 'thesaurus'. > > Or as my grandmother may or may not have said: "My tongue got in the way > of my eyeteeth, and I couldn't see what I was saying!" I first heard that line from Red Skelton. Either way, it's old. The speech problem I had as a kid was trilling my Rs with my tongue. Everyone else was doing it all the time, and I felt left out. I can't do it to this day; I suppose in some languages this would be considered a speech impediment. On the other hand, during my futile attempts I got some consolation when I discovered I could make a similar sound farther back in my throat that the others couldn't do. I found I could use it as a substitute for the trilled R in a Spanish class I took a while ago. Recently I came across a reference that describes my sound as a "voiced uvular trill" (as opposed to the "voiced alveolar trill" that I was trying for). Finally - a meaningful referent for that Saturday Night Live skit about Babs's uvula! -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | Growth for the sake of \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | growth is the ideology X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | of the cancer cell. / \ if you read it the right way. | -- Edward Abbey
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-11-03 02:21 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Accents. |
| Message-ID | <mmqhtlF3kvrU4@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #76965 |
On Sun, 02 Nov 2025 19:30:28 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On the other hand, during my futile attempts I got some consolation when > I discovered I could make a similar sound farther back in my throat that > the others couldn't do. I found I could use it as a substitute for the > trilled R in a Spanish class I took a while ago. I can do that one. It comes in handy when some misguided pooch thinks he's the big dog and growls at me.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-10-31 03:47 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Accents. |
| Message-ID | <mmiprcFodrtU9@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #76841 |
On Thu, 30 Oct 2025 22:20:38 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > Is the Spanish spoken in the Americas very different from Spain? Not to > mention the variations within Spain itself. In Mexico someone with a perfect Castillian accent might get called a maricón. Some of the Latin American Spanish teaching programs emphasize it's not exactly Spain Spanish like Quebec French isn't Parisian French. There is an sometimes amusing movie, 'El Norte'. A brother and sister are fleeing violence in Guatemala and have to go through Mexico on the way to the US. The sister asks how they're going to pass for Mexican and the brother says just say chinga a lot. There are a lot of nuances to the different noun and verb forms but "Chinga la migra" is popular in current demonstrations and can be freely translated as 'Fuck ICE!'
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| From | Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-10-30 22:48 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Accents. |
| Message-ID | <10e0q02$23pu$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #76837 |
On 10/30/25 20:33, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2025-10-29 19:47, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >> On 2025-10-29, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: >> >>> On Tue, 28 Oct 2025 20:21:07 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >>> >>>> On 2025-10-28, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> My downfall is British shows. Some are okay, some are very difficult >>>>> for me to understand. After a while I sometimes can adapt. >>>> >>>> Scottish accents (especially Glaswegian) must drive you nuts. >>> >>> I saw 'Sexy Beast' in a theater and understood little except Kingsley's >>> 'fuck' which was a big part of his monologues. I thought it was me >>> but as >>> I left I overheard several couples wishing there were subtitles. >> >> I find myself turning on subtitles (when available) more and more >> even for supposedly English speakers. > > As my first language is not English, you can not imagine how reassuring > is to me what you said there, when I need to have the subtitles there > (hopefully in English, but otherwise Spanish will do) because there is > always a word that I don't catch every little while. > > But sometimes in Spanish movies or serials (and Spanish is my first > language) there is a word I don't understand, and I have to rewind and > activate the subtitles. It is rare, but it does happen. > There is a fashion in modern English-speaking movies/TV for actors to mumble. If you watch older films from the 1930s and 1940s, the actors speak far more clearly. Actors used more of a cut glass accent, which is easier to understand. So it isn't just that we are all going deaf, although we probably are. > > Reminds me, in Amazon Prime Video sometimes there is an alternative > audio track with "improved dialogue clarity" or some wording to that > respect. > I would choose that, but I've never seen it available.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-10-31 03:58 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Accents. |
| Message-ID | <mmiqeoFodrtU10@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #76845 |
On Thu, 30 Oct 2025 22:48:34 +0000, Pancho wrote: > There is a fashion in modern English-speaking movies/TV for actors to > mumble. If you watch older films from the 1930s and 1940s, the actors > speak far more clearly. Actors used more of a cut glass accent, which is > easier to understand. Some of the older movies sound a bit stagy and wooden. The attempt to have dialog sound more natural sometimes goes too far. Or you might say it's very natural as peoples' speech gets sloppier. If all you do is text why bother learning to speak clearly?
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-31 08:25 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Accents. |
| Message-ID | <10e1rqa$b3bl$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #76845 |
On 30/10/2025 22:48, Pancho wrote: > There is a fashion in modern English-speaking movies/TV for actors to > mumble. If you watch older films from the 1930s and 1940s, the actors > speak far more clearly. Actors used more of a cut glass accent, which is > easier to understand. > Back in the day the actor on stage needed to be heard from 20 yards away. Being loud and clear without being shouty was part of the education. > So it isn't just that we are all going deaf, although we probably are. Today's actors are close miked. It all started with 'crooners' -- Those who want slavery should have the grace to name it by its proper name. They must face the full meaning of that which they are advocating or condoning; the full, exact, specific meaning of collectivism, of its logical implications, of the principles upon which it is based, and of the ultimate consequences to which these principles will lead. They must face it, then decide whether this is what they want or not. Ayn Rand.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-11-01 20:09 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Accents. |
| Message-ID | <ef2itlxutq.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #76845 |
On 2025-10-30 23:48, Pancho wrote: > On 10/30/25 20:33, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> On 2025-10-29 19:47, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >>> On 2025-10-29, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: >>> >>>> On Tue, 28 Oct 2025 20:21:07 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 2025-10-28, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> My downfall is British shows. Some are okay, some are very difficult >>>>>> for me to understand. After a while I sometimes can adapt. >>>>> >>>>> Scottish accents (especially Glaswegian) must drive you nuts. >>>> >>>> I saw 'Sexy Beast' in a theater and understood little except Kingsley's >>>> 'fuck' which was a big part of his monologues. I thought it was me >>>> but as >>>> I left I overheard several couples wishing there were subtitles. >>> >>> I find myself turning on subtitles (when available) more and more >>> even for supposedly English speakers. >> >> As my first language is not English, you can not imagine how >> reassuring is to me what you said there, when I need to have the >> subtitles there (hopefully in English, but otherwise Spanish will do) >> because there is always a word that I don't catch every little while. >> >> But sometimes in Spanish movies or serials (and Spanish is my first >> language) there is a word I don't understand, and I have to rewind and >> activate the subtitles. It is rare, but it does happen. >> > There is a fashion in modern English-speaking movies/TV for actors to > mumble. If you watch older films from the 1930s and 1940s, the actors > speak far more clearly. Actors used more of a cut glass accent, which is > easier to understand. > > So it isn't just that we are all going deaf, although we probably are. Yes, I heard this before. >> Reminds me, in Amazon Prime Video sometimes there is an alternative >> audio track with "improved dialogue clarity" or some wording to that >> respect. >> > > I would choose that, but I've never seen it available. Right, but the existence of that sound track proves that there is a known problem with dialogues. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-10-31 03:29 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Accents. |
| Message-ID | <mmiooiFodrtU8@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #76837 |
On Thu, 30 Oct 2025 21:33:08 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: > But sometimes in Spanish movies or serials (and Spanish is my first > language) there is a word I don't understand, and I have to rewind and > activate the subtitles. It is rare, but it does happen. We had a woman from Columbia who would sit in on teleconferences with our clients in Puerto Rico to give a running translation if they switched to Spanish among themselves. Sometimes their private discussion were heated and rapid fire and she could only get the gist of it. Sometimes the misunderstandings are amusing. I watch some British police or crime shows and often the head honcho is a woman who they address as 'Ma'am'. As far as I'm concerned they are calling her Mom. Some of the British actors also do something with 'murder'. It isn't quite 'murther' but there is more than just 'd'.
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| From | Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> |
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| Date | 2025-10-30 21:50 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Accents. |
| Message-ID | <10e1f65$7mmr$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #76848 |
On 10/30/25 20:29, rbowman wrote: > On Thu, 30 Oct 2025 21:33:08 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: > >> But sometimes in Spanish movies or serials (and Spanish is my first >> language) there is a word I don't understand, and I have to rewind and >> activate the subtitles. It is rare, but it does happen. > > We had a woman from Columbia who would sit in on teleconferences with our > clients in Puerto Rico to give a running translation if they switched to > Spanish among themselves. Sometimes their private discussion were heated > and rapid fire and she could only get the gist of it. > > Sometimes the misunderstandings are amusing. I watch some British police > or crime shows and often the head honcho is a woman who they address as > 'Ma'am'. As far as I'm concerned they are calling her Mom. > > Some of the British actors also do something with 'murder'. It isn't quite > 'murther' but there is more than just 'd'. I have seen that "murthering bastards" in print. It is a common thing apparently. "Ma'am" means boss because you know that is how the Queen was addressed by people of appropriate rank. bliss
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-31 08:28 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Accents. |
| Message-ID | <10e1rvm$b3bl$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #76855 |
On 31/10/2025 04:50, Bobbie Sellers wrote: > > > On 10/30/25 20:29, rbowman wrote: >> On Thu, 30 Oct 2025 21:33:08 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> >>> But sometimes in Spanish movies or serials (and Spanish is my first >>> language) there is a word I don't understand, and I have to rewind and >>> activate the subtitles. It is rare, but it does happen. >> >> We had a woman from Columbia who would sit in on teleconferences with our >> clients in Puerto Rico to give a running translation if they switched to >> Spanish among themselves. Sometimes their private discussion were heated >> and rapid fire and she could only get the gist of it. >> >> Sometimes the misunderstandings are amusing. I watch some British police >> or crime shows and often the head honcho is a woman who they address as >> 'Ma'am'. As far as I'm concerned they are calling her Mom. >> >> Some of the British actors also do something with 'murder'. It isn't >> quite >> 'murther' but there is more than just 'd'. > > I have seen that "murthering bastards" in print. It is a common > thing apparently. > > "Ma'am" means boss because you know that is how the Queen was > addressed by > people of appropriate rank. Sir or ma'am. For respect. Madam is more common in ordinary 'polite speech' -- Those who want slavery should have the grace to name it by its proper name. They must face the full meaning of that which they are advocating or condoning; the full, exact, specific meaning of collectivism, of its logical implications, of the principles upon which it is based, and of the ultimate consequences to which these principles will lead. They must face it, then decide whether this is what they want or not. Ayn Rand.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-10-31 19:29 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Accents. |
| Message-ID | <mmkh14F3fffU4@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #76855 |
On Thu, 30 Oct 2025 21:50:11 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote: > "Ma'am" means boss because you know that is how the Queen was addressed > by > people of appropriate rank. Sure. It's not the 'ma'am' it's the pronunciation that sounds like Mom to me rather than the US with a flatter a sound.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-31 08:27 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Accents. |
| Message-ID | <10e1rt5$b3bl$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #76848 |
On 31/10/2025 03:29, rbowman wrote: > On Thu, 30 Oct 2025 21:33:08 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: > >> But sometimes in Spanish movies or serials (and Spanish is my first >> language) there is a word I don't understand, and I have to rewind and >> activate the subtitles. It is rare, but it does happen. > > We had a woman from Columbia who would sit in on teleconferences with our > clients in Puerto Rico to give a running translation if they switched to > Spanish among themselves. Sometimes their private discussion were heated > and rapid fire and she could only get the gist of it. > > Sometimes the misunderstandings are amusing. I watch some British police > or crime shows and often the head honcho is a woman who they address as > 'Ma'am'. As far as I'm concerned they are calling her Mom. > Marm. As in 'Marmite' > Some of the British actors also do something with 'murder'. It isn't quite > 'murther' but there is more than just 'd'. That sound Scots or Irish. -- Those who want slavery should have the grace to name it by its proper name. They must face the full meaning of that which they are advocating or condoning; the full, exact, specific meaning of collectivism, of its logical implications, of the principles upon which it is based, and of the ultimate consequences to which these principles will lead. They must face it, then decide whether this is what they want or not. Ayn Rand.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-10-31 19:41 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Accents. |
| Message-ID | <mmkho0F3fffU5@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #76859 |
On Fri, 31 Oct 2025 08:27:17 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> Sometimes the misunderstandings are amusing. I watch some British >> police or crime shows and often the head honcho is a woman who they >> address as 'Ma'am'. As far as I'm concerned they are calling her Mom. >> > Marm. As in 'Marmite' No 'r' sound that I can detect although I think I have heard the 'r' creeping in on other shows. It's like the relatively recent affectation in the US Army of pronouncing 'sergeant' as 'sarnt'. >> Some of the British actors also do something with 'murder'. It isn't >> quite 'murther' but there is more than just 'd'. > > That sound Scots or Irish. May well be. Henshall does it and he's a Scot. I think it's his natural accent and not something he was doing for the Shetland series. It's hard to tell with actors. I've heard Ray Winstone with an almost unintelligible accent and sometimes without. I think his natural accent is the former.
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-31 22:45 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Accents. |
| Message-ID | <d_aNQ.939047$p8E9.549314@fx18.iad> |
| In reply to | #76872 |
On 2025-10-31, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: > On Fri, 31 Oct 2025 08:27:17 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >>> Sometimes the misunderstandings are amusing. I watch some British >>> police or crime shows and often the head honcho is a woman who they >>> address as 'Ma'am'. As far as I'm concerned they are calling her Mom. >>> >> Marm. As in 'Marmite' > > No 'r' sound that I can detect although I think I have heard the 'r' > creeping in on other shows. It's like the relatively recent affectation in > the US Army of pronouncing 'sergeant' as 'sarnt'. We make good-natured fun of our friends to the south in Warshington. -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | Growth for the sake of \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | growth is the ideology X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | of the cancer cell. / \ if you read it the right way. | -- Edward Abbey
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-11-01 05:36 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Accents. |
| Message-ID | <mmlki6F9aa3U3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #76881 |
On Fri, 31 Oct 2025 22:45:29 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On 2025-10-31, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: > >> On Fri, 31 Oct 2025 08:27:17 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> >>>> Sometimes the misunderstandings are amusing. I watch some British >>>> police or crime shows and often the head honcho is a woman who they >>>> address as 'Ma'am'. As far as I'm concerned they are calling her Mom. >>>> >>> Marm. As in 'Marmite' >> >> No 'r' sound that I can detect although I think I have heard the 'r' >> creeping in on other shows. It's like the relatively recent affectation >> in the US Army of pronouncing 'sergeant' as 'sarnt'. > > We make good-natured fun of our friends to the south in Warshington. A kid in grade school said it that way. No idea why since he was a local. The teachers tried to drum 'crick' out of us with little success but that 'r' was a strange one.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-11-01 20:11 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Accents. |
| Message-ID | <jk2itlxutq.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #76848 |
On 2025-10-31 04:29, rbowman wrote: > On Thu, 30 Oct 2025 21:33:08 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: > >> But sometimes in Spanish movies or serials (and Spanish is my first >> language) there is a word I don't understand, and I have to rewind and >> activate the subtitles. It is rare, but it does happen. > > We had a woman from Columbia who would sit in on teleconferences with our > clients in Puerto Rico to give a running translation if they switched to > Spanish among themselves. Sometimes their private discussion were heated > and rapid fire and she could only get the gist of it. > > Sometimes the misunderstandings are amusing. I watch some British police > or crime shows and often the head honcho is a woman who they address as > 'Ma'am'. As far as I'm concerned they are calling her Mom. I think I have heard on some serial address her as "sir". > Some of the British actors also do something with 'murder'. It isn't quite > 'murther' but there is more than just 'd'. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-11-02 00:59 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Accents. |
| Message-ID | <mmnonsFjnd4U9@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #76915 |
On Sat, 1 Nov 2025 20:11:47 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: > I think I have heard on some serial address her as "sir". Perhaps they asked for her pronouns. I'm sure you would go far giving 'Rachel' Levine a crisp 'Sir, yes sir!'
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