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| Started by | Dave <dboland9@protonmail.com> |
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| First post | 2019-08-22 09:15 -0400 |
| Last post | 2019-08-26 13:26 -0400 |
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Best Linux for senior citizens? Dave <dboland9@protonmail.com> - 2019-08-22 09:15 -0400
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-08-22 15:45 +0200
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Dave <dboland9@protonmail.com> - 2019-08-22 10:28 -0400
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2019-08-22 15:39 +0100
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-08-22 16:54 +0200
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2019-08-22 11:07 -0400
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-08-22 20:41 +0200
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Popping Mad <rainbow@colition.gov> - 2019-08-25 10:37 -0400
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Popping Mad <rainbow@colition.gov> - 2019-08-25 10:32 -0400
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2019-08-22 17:28 +0100
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2019-08-22 18:46 +0000
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2019-08-22 15:35 -0400
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? andrew <andrew@skamandros.invalid> - 2019-08-29 03:25 +0000
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? "L.A. Rathbone" <please@replytolist.com> - 2019-08-29 03:27 +0000
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? andrew <andrew@skamandros.invalid> - 2019-08-29 04:03 +0000
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? "L.A. Rathbone" <please@replytolist.com> - 2019-08-30 02:40 +0000
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? andrew <andrew@skamandros.invalid> - 2019-08-30 05:24 +0000
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2019-08-23 15:49 -0700
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2019-08-25 23:00 +0000
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2019-08-25 16:50 -0700
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2019-08-26 23:35 +0000
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2019-08-26 17:48 -0700
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2019-08-26 20:16 -0500
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> - 2019-08-26 19:46 -0700
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2019-08-27 14:42 -0400
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-08-27 23:20 +0200
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2019-08-28 13:01 -0400
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-08-29 15:57 +0200
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2019-08-26 22:12 -0700
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2019-08-27 03:22 -0700
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-08-27 13:43 +0200
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? "L.A. Rathbone" <please@replytolist.com> - 2019-08-27 16:38 +0000
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2019-08-27 17:12 +0000
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2019-08-27 16:53 -0500
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2019-08-27 15:46 -0700
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-08-28 14:21 +0200
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2019-08-28 07:49 -0700
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2019-08-29 07:45 +0100
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2019-08-28 02:11 +0000
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Jerry Peters <jerry@example.invalid> - 2019-08-28 20:19 +0000
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2019-08-29 02:56 +0000
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2019-08-27 19:11 +0000
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2019-08-27 16:53 -0500
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-08-27 13:08 +0200
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) - 2019-08-29 16:48 -0500
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2019-08-27 14:34 -0400
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-08-27 23:16 +0200
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2019-08-28 12:59 -0400
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) - 2019-08-29 16:50 -0500
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2019-08-27 16:53 -0500
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2019-08-28 13:50 -0400
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2019-08-28 11:45 -0700
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2019-08-29 12:27 -0400
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> - 2019-09-21 10:47 -0400
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> - 2019-09-21 10:27 -0400
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2019-08-28 18:50 +0000
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-08-29 15:59 +0200
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-08-27 17:00 -0400
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-08-28 14:23 +0200
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2019-08-27 23:45 +0000
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2019-08-28 13:59 -0400
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2019-08-28 23:40 +0000
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> - 2019-09-21 10:18 -0400
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2019-08-22 15:39 +0100
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2019-08-26 08:31 -0500
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-08-26 16:47 +0200
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2019-08-26 10:55 -0500
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2019-08-26 13:18 -0400
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-08-26 23:45 +0200
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2019-08-26 17:36 -0500
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2019-08-27 14:24 -0400
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-08-27 23:12 +0200
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2019-08-26 16:37 +0100
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2019-08-26 19:23 +0000
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? ray carter <ray@zianet.com> - 2019-08-22 14:45 +0000
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Bit Twister <BitTwister@mouse-potato.com> - 2019-08-22 10:19 -0500
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Dave <dboland9@protonmail.com> - 2019-08-22 14:37 -0400
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Bit Twister <BitTwister@mouse-potato.com> - 2019-08-22 16:04 -0500
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2019-08-22 18:43 +0000
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Dave <dboland9@protonmail.com> - 2019-08-22 17:08 -0400
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? John Forkosh <forkosh@panix.com> - 2019-08-23 05:25 +0000
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2019-08-23 15:45 -0400
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2019-08-24 14:55 -0400
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-08-24 21:02 +0200
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2019-08-22 14:48 -0400
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Dave <dboland9@protonmail.com> - 2019-08-22 17:15 -0400
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-08-23 00:11 +0200
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2019-08-23 08:36 +0100
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2019-08-23 09:06 +0100
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2019-08-23 12:33 +0100
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2019-08-23 14:03 +0100
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-08-23 16:28 +0200
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2019-08-26 08:31 -0500
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Jerry Peters <jerry@example.invalid> - 2019-08-26 20:35 +0000
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2019-08-26 13:25 -0400
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2019-08-23 08:31 +0100
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2019-08-23 03:54 +0000
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-08-23 01:05 -0400
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Dave <dboland9@protonmail.com> - 2019-08-23 02:04 -0400
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Bit Twister <BitTwister@mouse-potato.com> - 2019-08-23 01:59 -0500
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-08-23 03:06 -0400
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Dave <dboland9@protonmail.com> - 2019-08-23 07:27 -0400
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-08-23 16:35 +0200
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2019-08-23 18:05 +0100
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? "L.A. Rathbone" <please@replytolist.com> - 2019-08-25 22:23 +0000
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2019-08-26 13:01 -0400
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2019-08-26 08:31 -0500
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2019-08-26 13:04 -0400
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2019-08-26 17:49 +0000
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> - 2019-08-26 09:45 -0700
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-08-26 13:26 -0400
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| From | not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) |
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| Date | 2019-08-26 23:35 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <qk1qc2$aav$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #27954 |
T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote: > On 8/25/19 4:00 PM, Computer Nerd Kev wrote: >> T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote: >>> >>> And DONOTDONOTDONOT forget to set up their printer, or you >>> are going back out there! >> >> At which point you discover that there is no Linux driver that works >> properly with it, and it's a new one that they proudly bought the >> other day. Then you're in trouble. > > Been there done that, but a lot of years ago. > > Now-a-days, you just fire up your web browser and go > get the ppd from > > http://openprinting.org/printers Jeeze don't I wish. Certainly it's the case a lot of the time, but the last printer that I tried to get working (Samsung CLP-610ND - not even new) has become a project put off indefinitely after a failed six hour marathon of determinedly trying to get either of two Linux drivers to work properly. And that's not the only recent story of failure. Printing with Linux tends to either just work, or just doesn't. The problem is the insane number of different printer models that are brought out all the time by manufacturers, usually without much thought for Linux. There are just too many for open-source drivers to be comprehensively tested and bugfixed by volunteers, so it comes down to chance as to whether they work or not. It sounds like you've had quite a streak of luck for some years now, or else I've been particularly unlucky... -- __ __ #_ < |\| |< _#
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| From | T <T@invalid.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2019-08-26 17:48 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <qk1ulb$q7l$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #27972 |
On 8/26/19 4:35 PM, Computer Nerd Kev wrote: > T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote: >> On 8/25/19 4:00 PM, Computer Nerd Kev wrote: >>> T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote: >>>> >>>> And DONOTDONOTDONOT forget to set up their printer, or you >>>> are going back out there! >>> >>> At which point you discover that there is no Linux driver that works >>> properly with it, and it's a new one that they proudly bought the >>> other day. Then you're in trouble. >> >> Been there done that, but a lot of years ago. >> >> Now-a-days, you just fire up your web browser and go >> get the ppd from >> >> http://openprinting.org/printers > > Jeeze don't I wish. Certainly it's the case a lot of the time, but > the last printer that I tried to get working (Samsung CLP-610ND - not > even new) has become a project put off indefinitely after a failed > six hour marathon of determinedly trying to get either of two Linux > drivers to work properly. > > And that's not the only recent story of failure. Printing with Linux > tends to either just work, or just doesn't. The problem is the insane > number of different printer models that are brought out all the time > by manufacturers, usually without much thought for Linux. There are > just too many for open-source drivers to be comprehensively tested > and bugfixed by volunteers, so it comes down to chance as to whether > they work or not. > > It sounds like you've had quite a streak of luck for some years now, > or else I've been particularly unlucky... > Does it support pcl or ps?
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| From | Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> |
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| Date | 2019-08-26 20:16 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <Lpqdnb9wg6n1GfnAnZ2dnUU7-LHNnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #27972 |
At Mon, 26 Aug 2019 23:35:31 +0000 (UTC) not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) wrote:
>
> T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> > On 8/25/19 4:00 PM, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
> >> T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> And DONOTDONOTDONOT forget to set up their printer, or you
> >>> are going back out there!
> >>
> >> At which point you discover that there is no Linux driver that works
> >> properly with it, and it's a new one that they proudly bought the
> >> other day. Then you're in trouble.
> >
> > Been there done that, but a lot of years ago.
> >
> > Now-a-days, you just fire up your web browser and go
> > get the ppd from
> >
> > http://openprinting.org/printers
>
> Jeeze don't I wish. Certainly it's the case a lot of the time, but
> the last printer that I tried to get working (Samsung CLP-610ND - not
> even new) has become a project put off indefinitely after a failed
> six hour marathon of determinedly trying to get either of two Linux
> drivers to work properly.
Rule of thumb: never get a "cheap" inkjet printer. Don't even bother, esp.
since the replace cartridge(s) will likely cost more than the printer itself.
When shopping for a laser printer, get one that supports PostScript. These
will almost always work out of the box.
There are a handful of brands that will generally work well. I suspect going
to http://openprinting.org/printers and/or checking the distro's shipped
collection of ppds *before* going off the the mall and buying the cheapeast or
snazzist printer is also a really good idea.
>
> And that's not the only recent story of failure. Printing with Linux
> tends to either just work, or just doesn't. The problem is the insane
> number of different printer models that are brought out all the time
> by manufacturers, usually without much thought for Linux. There are
> just too many for open-source drivers to be comprehensively tested
> and bugfixed by volunteers, so it comes down to chance as to whether
> they work or not.
Always research the printer's Linux support *before* buying it (see above).
>
> It sounds like you've had quite a streak of luck for some years now,
> or else I've been particularly unlucky...
>
--
Robert Heller -- 978-544-6933
Deepwoods Software -- Custom Software Services
http://www.deepsoft.com/ -- Linux Administration Services
heller@deepsoft.com -- Webhosting Services
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| From | Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> |
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| Date | 2019-08-26 19:46 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <qk25hb$n3a$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #27974 |
On 8/26/19 6:16 PM, Robert Heller wrote: > At Mon, 26 Aug 2019 23:35:31 +0000 (UTC) not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) wrote: > >> >> T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote: >>> On 8/25/19 4:00 PM, Computer Nerd Kev wrote: >>>> T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> And DONOTDONOTDONOT forget to set up their printer, or you >>>>> are going back out there! >>>> >>>> At which point you discover that there is no Linux driver that works >>>> properly with it, and it's a new one that they proudly bought the >>>> other day. Then you're in trouble. >>> >>> Been there done that, but a lot of years ago. >>> >>> Now-a-days, you just fire up your web browser and go >>> get the ppd from >>> >>> http://openprinting.org/printers >> >> Jeeze don't I wish. Certainly it's the case a lot of the time, but >> the last printer that I tried to get working (Samsung CLP-610ND - not >> even new) has become a project put off indefinitely after a failed >> six hour marathon of determinedly trying to get either of two Linux >> drivers to work properly. > > Rule of thumb: never get a "cheap" inkjet printer. Don't even bother, esp. > since the replace cartridge(s) will likely cost more than the printer itself. My HP Envy 5055 worked well out of the box and it was certainly inexpensive and the ink cartriges are not expensive, The Epson NX 515 worked with similar ease but the cartriges were expensive and it seemed as though I was frequently running out of ink. > > When shopping for a laser printer, get one that supports PostScript. These > will almost always work out of the box. > > There are a handful of brands that will generally work well. I suspect going > to http://openprinting.org/printers and/or checking the distro's shipped > collection of ppds *before* going off the the mall and buying the cheapeast or > snazzist printer is also a really good idea. > >> >> And that's not the only recent story of failure. Printing with Linux >> tends to either just work, or just doesn't. The problem is the insane >> number of different printer models that are brought out all the time >> by manufacturers, usually without much thought for Linux. There are >> just too many for open-source drivers to be comprehensively tested >> and bugfixed by volunteers, so it comes down to chance as to whether >> they work or not. > > Always research the printer's Linux support *before* buying it (see above). > >> >> It sounds like you've had quite a streak of luck for some years now, >> or else I've been particularly unlucky... >> Err... see the steps mention above? Try those before buying and look around for reviews by Linux users on the Net. bliss -- bliss dash SF 4 ever at dslextreme dot com
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| From | Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> |
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| Date | 2019-08-27 14:42 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <87mufusb50.fsf@usenet.ankman.de> |
| In reply to | #27975 |
On Mon, 26 Aug 2019 19:46:02 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote: > > On 8/26/19 6:16 PM, Robert Heller wrote: >> >> Rule of thumb: never get a "cheap" inkjet printer. Don't even bother, esp. >> since the replace cartridge(s) will likely cost more than the printer itself. > > My HP Envy 5055 worked well out of the box and it was > certainly inexpensive and the ink cartriges are not expensive, I just remember that the $29 printer was an Envy XXXX. Super easy to install. It's some years ago bit IIRC when I plugged USB in the HP-Tool box popped and wanted confirmation to install a driver. That took seconds and without reboot he could print the first page. >> Always research the printer's Linux support *before* buying it (see above). That you can do when shopping online. But if you prefer brick and mortar you need to write names down as the store usually doesn't give customers access to their WIFI network to look it up there with a smart phone. -- Andreas
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2019-08-27 23:20 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <6djg3g-4og.ln1@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #27986 |
On 27/08/2019 20.42, Andreas Kohlbach wrote: > On Mon, 26 Aug 2019 19:46:02 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote: >> >> On 8/26/19 6:16 PM, Robert Heller wrote: >>> >>> Rule of thumb: never get a "cheap" inkjet printer. Don't even bother, esp. >>> since the replace cartridge(s) will likely cost more than the printer itself. >> >> My HP Envy 5055 worked well out of the box and it was >> certainly inexpensive and the ink cartriges are not expensive, > > I just remember that the $29 printer was an Envy XXXX. Super easy to > install. It's some years ago bit IIRC when I plugged USB in the HP-Tool > box popped and wanted confirmation to install a driver. That took seconds > and without reboot he could print the first page. > >>> Always research the printer's Linux support *before* buying it (see above). > > That you can do when shopping online. But if you prefer brick and mortar > you need to write names down as the store usually doesn't give customers > access to their WIFI network to look it up there with a smart phone. The store here does give us WiFi access, but I prefer using my data plan rather than an unknown wifi. Also I prefer to make a photo and look it up at home, unless at some hurry. I know at least to supermarket type shops that give wifi to customers, they know that people want to check up the things. -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> |
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| Date | 2019-08-28 13:01 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <87a7bt442j.fsf@usenet.ankman.de> |
| In reply to | #27990 |
On Tue, 27 Aug 2019 23:20:06 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: > > On 27/08/2019 20.42, Andreas Kohlbach wrote: >> >> That you can do when shopping online. But if you prefer brick and mortar >> you need to write names down as the store usually doesn't give customers >> access to their WIFI network to look it up there with a smart phone. > > The store here does give us WiFi access, but I prefer using my data plan > rather than an unknown wifi. Also I prefer to make a photo and look it > up at home, unless at some hurry. > > I know at least to supermarket type shops that give wifi to customers, > they know that people want to check up the things. If a Staples or other electronic retailer, which do not offer WIFI for customers, are in a mall you might be lucky to use the mall WIFI in the store. -- Andreas
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2019-08-29 15:57 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <v62l3g-sps.ln1@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #28003 |
On 28/08/2019 19.01, Andreas Kohlbach wrote: > On Tue, 27 Aug 2019 23:20:06 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> >> On 27/08/2019 20.42, Andreas Kohlbach wrote: >>> >>> That you can do when shopping online. But if you prefer brick and mortar >>> you need to write names down as the store usually doesn't give customers >>> access to their WIFI network to look it up there with a smart phone. >> >> The store here does give us WiFi access, but I prefer using my data plan >> rather than an unknown wifi. Also I prefer to make a photo and look it >> up at home, unless at some hurry. >> >> I know at least to supermarket type shops that give wifi to customers, >> they know that people want to check up the things. > > If a Staples or other electronic retailer, which do not offer WIFI for > customers, are in a mall you might be lucky to use the mall WIFI in the store. Shame on them. -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2019-08-26 22:12 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <qk2e3o$mjj$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #27974 |
On 08/26/2019 06:16 PM, Robert Heller wrote:
> At Mon, 26 Aug 2019 23:35:31 +0000 (UTC) not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) wrote:
>
>>
>> T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> > On 8/25/19 4:00 PM, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
>> >> T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> And DONOTDONOTDONOT forget to set up their printer, or you
>> >>> are going back out there!
>> >>
>> >> At which point you discover that there is no Linux driver that works
>> >> properly with it, and it's a new one that they proudly bought the
>> >> other day. Then you're in trouble.
>> >
>> > Been there done that, but a lot of years ago.
>> >
>> > Now-a-days, you just fire up your web browser and go
>> > get the ppd from
>> >
>> > http://openprinting.org/printers
>>
>> Jeeze don't I wish. Certainly it's the case a lot of the time, but
>> the last printer that I tried to get working (Samsung CLP-610ND - not
>> even new) has become a project put off indefinitely after a failed
>> six hour marathon of determinedly trying to get either of two Linux
>> drivers to work properly.
>
> Rule of thumb: never get a "cheap" inkjet printer. Don't even bother, esp.
> since the replace cartridge(s) will likely cost more than the printer itself.
>
> When shopping for a laser printer, get one that supports PostScript. These
> will almost always work out of the box.
>
> There are a handful of brands that will generally work well. I suspect going
> to http://openprinting.org/printers and/or checking the distro's shipped
> collection of ppds *before* going off the the mall and buying the cheapeast or
> snazzist printer is also a really good idea.
>>
>> And that's not the only recent story of failure. Printing with Linux
>> tends to either just work, or just doesn't. The problem is the insane
>> number of different printer models that are brought out all the time
>> by manufacturers, usually without much thought for Linux. There are
>> just too many for open-source drivers to be comprehensively tested
>> and bugfixed by volunteers, so it comes down to chance as to whether
>> they work or not.
>
> Always research the printer's Linux support *before* buying it (see above).
I've been happy with my super-cheap Brother laser printer since 2009.
Cartridges from ebay are cheap. Linux-friendly. Much better built,
albeit really light and cheesy-feeling, than the cheap Samsung printer I
had before, which never worked right.
77, running slackware since 1995 or thereabouts. Always use the distro
your live-in tech support person does :-)
--
Cheers, Bev
"When I was in college, the only job I could get was
shitting on people's lawns. Sure, the owners complained,
but it was honest work and it kept me off welfare..."
-- M. Tabnik in mcfl (paraphrased)
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| From | T <T@invalid.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2019-08-27 03:22 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <qk308n$dv9$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #27976 |
So far the seniors I have on linux just go out and buy whatever they want (printer) and surprise me when they unwrap it. So far, I have always got them to work. But that was not always the case even 10 years ago.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2019-08-27 13:43 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <ekhf3g-3bq.ln1@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #27976 |
On 27/08/2019 07.12, The Real Bev wrote: > 77, running slackware since 1995 or thereabouts. Always use the distro > your live-in tech support person does Oh, yes :-) -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | "L.A. Rathbone" <please@replytolist.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2019-08-27 16:38 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnqman4f.1uc.please@logantablet.local.domain> |
| In reply to | #27976 |
On 2019-08-27, The Real Bev wrote: > On 08/26/2019 06:16 PM, Robert Heller wrote: >> [snip] >> Rule of thumb: never get a "cheap" inkjet printer. Don't even bother, esp. >> since the replace cartridge(s) will likely cost more than the printer itself. Agreed. Especially for letter-writing and mainly text-oriented printing, monochrome laser printers are by far the best value. >> When shopping for a laser printer, get one that supports PostScript. These >> will almost always work out of the box. True. They're also notoriously expensive. >> [snip] >> >> Always research the printer's Linux support *before* buying it (see above). > > I've been happy with my super-cheap Brother laser printer since 2009. > Cartridges from ebay are cheap. Linux-friendly. Much better built, > albeit really light and cheesy-feeling, than the cheap Samsung printer I > had before, which never worked right. > > 77, running slackware since 1995 or thereabouts. Always use the distro > your live-in tech support person does :-) I'm a happy Slacker too :) Slackware with XFCE wouldn't be the worst choice for seniors, if there is a sysadmin that can actually help with the initial setup and security updates. I think what I had envisioned from this thread was something that seniors with limited computer knowledge could actually maintain as well - mainly just applying updates.
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| From | Rich <rich@example.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2019-08-27 17:12 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <qk3oa6$hod$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #27982 |
L.A. Rathbone <please@replytolist.com> wrote: > On 2019-08-27, The Real Bev wrote: >> On 08/26/2019 06:16 PM, Robert Heller wrote: >>> [snip] >>> Rule of thumb: never get a "cheap" inkjet printer. Don't even bother, esp. >>> since the replace cartridge(s) will likely cost more than the printer itself. > > Agreed. Especially for letter-writing and mainly text-oriented printing, > monochrome laser printers are by far the best value. > >>> When shopping for a laser printer, get one that supports PostScript. These >>> will almost always work out of the box. > > True. They're also notoriously expensive. Not always. My Lexmark laser I bought a few years ago came with Postscript included, and it was no more costly than other printers of the same capability range that were just HPLJ (or worse, win-printers).
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| From | Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2019-08-27 16:53 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <I_2dnToktsTOO_jAnZ2dnUU7-TnNnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #27983 |
At Tue, 27 Aug 2019 17:12:38 -0000 (UTC) Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote:
>
> L.A. Rathbone <please@replytolist.com> wrote:
> > On 2019-08-27, The Real Bev wrote:
> >> On 08/26/2019 06:16 PM, Robert Heller wrote:
> >>> [snip]
> >>> Rule of thumb: never get a "cheap" inkjet printer. Don't even bother, esp.
> >>> since the replace cartridge(s) will likely cost more than the printer itself.
> >
> > Agreed. Especially for letter-writing and mainly text-oriented printing,
> > monochrome laser printers are by far the best value.
> >
> >>> When shopping for a laser printer, get one that supports PostScript. These
> >>> will almost always work out of the box.
> >
> > True. They're also notoriously expensive.
>
> Not always. My Lexmark laser I bought a few years ago came with
> Postscript included, and it was no more costly than other printers of
> the same capability range that were just HPLJ (or worse, win-printers).
Brother's "BRScript" (Brother's brand of PostScript) printers work well are
not terribly expensive, especially if you figure it terms toner cart lifetime
vs inkjet cart lifetime, and the cost of them over time.
>
>
--
Robert Heller -- 978-544-6933
Deepwoods Software -- Custom Software Services
http://www.deepsoft.com/ -- Linux Administration Services
heller@deepsoft.com -- Webhosting Services
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| From | The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2019-08-27 15:46 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <qk4bra$cg3$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #27992 |
On 08/27/2019 02:53 PM, Robert Heller wrote:
> At Tue, 27 Aug 2019 17:12:38 -0000 (UTC) Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote:
>
>>
>> L.A. Rathbone <please@replytolist.com> wrote:
>> > On 2019-08-27, The Real Bev wrote:
>> >> On 08/26/2019 06:16 PM, Robert Heller wrote:
>> >>> [snip]
>> >>> Rule of thumb: never get a "cheap" inkjet printer. Don't even bother, esp.
>> >>> since the replace cartridge(s) will likely cost more than the printer itself.
>> >
>> > Agreed. Especially for letter-writing and mainly text-oriented printing,
>> > monochrome laser printers are by far the best value.
>> >
>> >>> When shopping for a laser printer, get one that supports PostScript. These
>> >>> will almost always work out of the box.
>> >
>> > True. They're also notoriously expensive.
>>
>> Not always. My Lexmark laser I bought a few years ago came with
>> Postscript included, and it was no more costly than other printers of
>> the same capability range that were just HPLJ (or worse, win-printers).
https://www.staples.com/Brother-EHL-L2320D-Mono-Laser-Printer-Refurbished/product_2072519
for $60. Spend a little more and get a few more features. Or not. The
larger cartridges are $20.00 for 2600 pages more or less.
> Brother's "BRScript" (Brother's brand of PostScript) printers work well are
> not terribly expensive, especially if you figure it terms toner cart lifetime
> vs inkjet cart lifetime, and the cost of them over time.
Mine is an HL-2170 NOT wireless, but it's connected into the network via
USB. Going strong since 2009.
--
Cheers, Bev
"I'm sorry I ever invented the Electoral College."
Al Gore 11/08/00
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2019-08-28 14:21 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <l68i3g-458.ln1@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #27995 |
On 28/08/2019 00.46, The Real Bev wrote: > Mine is an HL-2170 NOT wireless, but it's connected into the network via > USB. Going strong since 2009. But USB is not network. -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2019-08-28 07:49 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <qk64a2$v2t$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #27999 |
On 08/28/2019 05:21 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 28/08/2019 00.46, The Real Bev wrote: >> Mine is an HL-2170 NOT wireless, but it's connected into the network via >> USB. Going strong since 2009. > > But USB is not network. No, it's connected into MY computer via USB, but any computer on the network can print to it. -- Cheers, Bev I see your point, but I still think you're full of crap. --Shea
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2019-08-29 07:45 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <qk7sb0$o73$5@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #27999 |
On 28/08/2019 13:21, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 28/08/2019 00.46, The Real Bev wrote:
>> Mine is an HL-2170 NOT wireless, but it's connected into the network via
>> USB. Going strong since 2009.
>
> But USB is not network.
>
I went to a city via the M1
But the M1 is not a city.
--
"Strange as it seems, no amount of learning can cure stupidity, and
higher education positively fortifies it."
- Stephen Vizinczey
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| From | Rich <rich@example.invalid> |
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| Date | 2019-08-28 02:11 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <qk4nta$vug$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #27992 |
Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> wrote: > At Tue, 27 Aug 2019 17:12:38 -0000 (UTC) Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote: > >> >> L.A. Rathbone <please@replytolist.com> wrote: >> > On 2019-08-27, The Real Bev wrote: >> >> On 08/26/2019 06:16 PM, Robert Heller wrote: >> >>> [snip] >> >>> Rule of thumb: never get a "cheap" inkjet printer. Don't even >> >>> bother, esp. since the replace cartridge(s) will likely cost >> >>> more than the printer itself. >> > >> > Agreed. Especially for letter-writing and mainly text-oriented >> > printing, monochrome laser printers are by far the best value. >> > >> >>> When shopping for a laser printer, get one that supports >> >>> PostScript. These will almost always work out of the box. >> > >> > True. They're also notoriously expensive. >> >> Not always. My Lexmark laser I bought a few years ago came with >> Postscript included, and it was no more costly than other printers >> of the same capability range that were just HPLJ (or worse, >> win-printers). > > Brother's "BRScript" (Brother's brand of PostScript) printers work > well are not terribly expensive, especially if you figure it terms > toner cart lifetime vs inkjet cart lifetime, and the cost of them > over time. I suspect, but have no proof, that the Lexmark (model MS312dn) embeds a copy of Ghostscript for its Postscript handling. It included network capability (wired and wireless, although I never installed the wireless card) and it works just fine from Linux with Cups.
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| From | Jerry Peters <jerry@example.invalid> |
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| Date | 2019-08-28 20:19 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <qk6nju$k0e$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #27992 |
Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> wrote: > At Tue, 27 Aug 2019 17:12:38 -0000 (UTC) Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote: > >> >> L.A. Rathbone <please@replytolist.com> wrote: >> > On 2019-08-27, The Real Bev wrote: >> >> On 08/26/2019 06:16 PM, Robert Heller wrote: >> >>> [snip] >> >>> Rule of thumb: never get a "cheap" inkjet printer. Don't even bother, esp. >> >>> since the replace cartridge(s) will likely cost more than the printer itself. >> > >> > Agreed. Especially for letter-writing and mainly text-oriented printing, >> > monochrome laser printers are by far the best value. >> > >> >>> When shopping for a laser printer, get one that supports PostScript. These >> >>> will almost always work out of the box. >> > >> > True. They're also notoriously expensive. >> >> Not always. My Lexmark laser I bought a few years ago came with >> Postscript included, and it was no more costly than other printers of >> the same capability range that were just HPLJ (or worse, win-printers). > > Brother's "BRScript" (Brother's brand of PostScript) printers work well are > not terribly expensive, especially if you figure it terms toner cart lifetime > vs inkjet cart lifetime, and the cost of them over time. Also the toner is separate from the drum unit, which makes it less expensive than HP, where you replace the toner and the drum every time. HL2280 networked here.
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