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| Started by | Dave <dboland9@protonmail.com> |
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| First post | 2019-08-22 09:15 -0400 |
| Last post | 2019-08-26 13:26 -0400 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 111 — 25 participants |
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Best Linux for senior citizens? Dave <dboland9@protonmail.com> - 2019-08-22 09:15 -0400
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-08-22 15:45 +0200
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Dave <dboland9@protonmail.com> - 2019-08-22 10:28 -0400
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2019-08-22 15:39 +0100
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-08-22 16:54 +0200
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2019-08-22 11:07 -0400
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-08-22 20:41 +0200
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Popping Mad <rainbow@colition.gov> - 2019-08-25 10:37 -0400
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Popping Mad <rainbow@colition.gov> - 2019-08-25 10:32 -0400
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2019-08-22 17:28 +0100
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2019-08-22 18:46 +0000
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2019-08-22 15:35 -0400
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? andrew <andrew@skamandros.invalid> - 2019-08-29 03:25 +0000
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? "L.A. Rathbone" <please@replytolist.com> - 2019-08-29 03:27 +0000
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? andrew <andrew@skamandros.invalid> - 2019-08-29 04:03 +0000
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? "L.A. Rathbone" <please@replytolist.com> - 2019-08-30 02:40 +0000
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? andrew <andrew@skamandros.invalid> - 2019-08-30 05:24 +0000
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2019-08-23 15:49 -0700
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2019-08-25 23:00 +0000
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2019-08-25 16:50 -0700
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2019-08-26 23:35 +0000
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2019-08-26 17:48 -0700
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2019-08-26 20:16 -0500
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> - 2019-08-26 19:46 -0700
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2019-08-27 14:42 -0400
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-08-27 23:20 +0200
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2019-08-28 13:01 -0400
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-08-29 15:57 +0200
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2019-08-26 22:12 -0700
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2019-08-27 03:22 -0700
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-08-27 13:43 +0200
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? "L.A. Rathbone" <please@replytolist.com> - 2019-08-27 16:38 +0000
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2019-08-27 17:12 +0000
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2019-08-27 16:53 -0500
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2019-08-27 15:46 -0700
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-08-28 14:21 +0200
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2019-08-28 07:49 -0700
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2019-08-29 07:45 +0100
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2019-08-28 02:11 +0000
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Jerry Peters <jerry@example.invalid> - 2019-08-28 20:19 +0000
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2019-08-29 02:56 +0000
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2019-08-27 19:11 +0000
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2019-08-27 16:53 -0500
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-08-27 13:08 +0200
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) - 2019-08-29 16:48 -0500
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2019-08-27 14:34 -0400
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-08-27 23:16 +0200
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2019-08-28 12:59 -0400
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) - 2019-08-29 16:50 -0500
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2019-08-27 16:53 -0500
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2019-08-28 13:50 -0400
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2019-08-28 11:45 -0700
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2019-08-29 12:27 -0400
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> - 2019-09-21 10:47 -0400
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> - 2019-09-21 10:27 -0400
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2019-08-28 18:50 +0000
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-08-29 15:59 +0200
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-08-27 17:00 -0400
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-08-28 14:23 +0200
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2019-08-27 23:45 +0000
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2019-08-28 13:59 -0400
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2019-08-28 23:40 +0000
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> - 2019-09-21 10:18 -0400
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2019-08-22 15:39 +0100
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2019-08-26 08:31 -0500
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-08-26 16:47 +0200
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2019-08-26 10:55 -0500
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2019-08-26 13:18 -0400
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-08-26 23:45 +0200
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2019-08-26 17:36 -0500
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2019-08-27 14:24 -0400
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-08-27 23:12 +0200
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2019-08-26 16:37 +0100
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2019-08-26 19:23 +0000
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? ray carter <ray@zianet.com> - 2019-08-22 14:45 +0000
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Bit Twister <BitTwister@mouse-potato.com> - 2019-08-22 10:19 -0500
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Dave <dboland9@protonmail.com> - 2019-08-22 14:37 -0400
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Bit Twister <BitTwister@mouse-potato.com> - 2019-08-22 16:04 -0500
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2019-08-22 18:43 +0000
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Dave <dboland9@protonmail.com> - 2019-08-22 17:08 -0400
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? John Forkosh <forkosh@panix.com> - 2019-08-23 05:25 +0000
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2019-08-23 15:45 -0400
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2019-08-24 14:55 -0400
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-08-24 21:02 +0200
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2019-08-22 14:48 -0400
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Dave <dboland9@protonmail.com> - 2019-08-22 17:15 -0400
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-08-23 00:11 +0200
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2019-08-23 08:36 +0100
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2019-08-23 09:06 +0100
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2019-08-23 12:33 +0100
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2019-08-23 14:03 +0100
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-08-23 16:28 +0200
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2019-08-26 08:31 -0500
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Jerry Peters <jerry@example.invalid> - 2019-08-26 20:35 +0000
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2019-08-26 13:25 -0400
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2019-08-23 08:31 +0100
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2019-08-23 03:54 +0000
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-08-23 01:05 -0400
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Dave <dboland9@protonmail.com> - 2019-08-23 02:04 -0400
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Bit Twister <BitTwister@mouse-potato.com> - 2019-08-23 01:59 -0500
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-08-23 03:06 -0400
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Dave <dboland9@protonmail.com> - 2019-08-23 07:27 -0400
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-08-23 16:35 +0200
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2019-08-23 18:05 +0100
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? "L.A. Rathbone" <please@replytolist.com> - 2019-08-25 22:23 +0000
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2019-08-26 13:01 -0400
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2019-08-26 08:31 -0500
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2019-08-26 13:04 -0400
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2019-08-26 17:49 +0000
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> - 2019-08-26 09:45 -0700
Re: Best Linux for senior citizens? "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-08-26 13:26 -0400
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| From | John Forkosh <forkosh@panix.com> |
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| Date | 2019-08-23 05:25 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <qjntd4$9sk$1@reader2.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #27926 |
Dave <dboland9@protonmail.com> wrote: > On 8/22/19 2:43 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >> On 2019-08-22, Bit Twister <BitTwister@mouse-potato.com> wrote: >>> On 22 Aug 2019 14:45:29 GMT, ray carter wrote: >>>> On Thu, 22 Aug 2019 09:15:30 -0400, Dave wrote: >>>> >>>>> A friend of mine works with seniors and they are facing getting rid of >>>>> what ever Windows version they had (7 maybe - don't know for sure) on >>>>> their many computers. Windows 10 seems to be an issue for them for a lot >>>>> of reasons. So he asked me about Linux. The problem for me is that I >>>>> don't have any experience with this. So, I'm hoping that some of you >>>>> have had experience with Linux for seniors that may have had some >>>>> computer experience - Windows XP perhaps - and can describe the >>>>> situation they faced, what distribution worked best, and anything that >>>>> may be of interest. >>> >>> As a light weight OS desktop environment easy to configure I recommend >>> Xfcxe. I noticed MX Linux Xfce was better the a ?buntu Xfce. >>> >>> I tested latest Official Xfce release 4.14 this morning and it should >>> be easy enough for a Win 7 user to configure it. >> >> Here's another vote for Xfce. It's lightweight, does what you want, >> and stays out of the way. >> >>> I use the Mageia Linux distribution. Go ahead and download a live iso, >>> burn/bootrun it and see how easy to use yourself. >> >> When I switched from Slackware in search of better package management, >> I tried several distros. Mint was OK, but not that thrilling. I found >> Mageia to be too heavyweight. It uses KDE, which for me carries too >> much baggage, including spitting out a lot of messages in my console >> windows from processes which (IMHO) have no business running at all. >> >> I've settled on Debian (because it's mainstream and works well), >> along with Xfce. >> > Boy, do I hear you! I started with Slackware, and liked it. Tried > Linux Mandrake (recall that one?), then Debian, then Ubuntu. Slack was > more work than I wanted, and Debian was great, but the repositories > didn't keep up with new releases as quickly as I had hoped (8 yrs. ago). > Still Debian is great stuff, and Xfce is very good. > Dave, I'd agree that the distro choice is somewhat secondary, and it's the window manager that the seniors/users will be mostly interacting with. So since it'll essentially be a single-user system, just configure it to boot directly into X, and then bring up your wm of choice. Along that line, I've been using fvwm2 along with the fvwm95 layer on top of it, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FVWM95 And that gives a pretty nice windows-like experience on top of linux. So I'd recommend choosing your distro by whatever criteria are important to you (and any other technical staff involved), making sure it boots directly into X, and then demo-ing Xfce and fvwm95 (and whatever other wm's seem interesting) for the seniors. It's trivial just changing the xinitrc symlink from one wm to another. And then the seniors can choose for themselves whatever wm they like. Why should you make that choice for them? -- John Forkosh ( mailto: j@f.com where j=john and f=forkosh )
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| From | Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> |
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| Date | 2019-08-23 15:45 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <87pnkvd5tn.fsf@usenet.ankman.de> |
| In reply to | #27926 |
On Thu, 22 Aug 2019 17:08:44 -0400, Dave wrote: > > On 8/22/19 2:43 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >> > Boy, do I hear you! I started with Slackware, and liked it. Tried > Linux Mandrake (recall that one?), then Debian, then Ubuntu. Slack > was more work than I wanted, and Debian was great, but the > repositories didn't keep up with new releases as quickly as I had > hoped (8 yrs. ago). Still Debian is great stuff, and Xfce is very > good. I started with Suse some day in 1998 and used it until the disk died in 2003. A friend suggested Debian. I liked but moving countries that HD died too. Had no access to high speed internet so I grabbed some French magazine with a Mandrake (or was it Mandriva already) to have Linux at all. After I got access to Debian via image download and never looked beck. -- Andreas My random thoughts and comments https://news-commentaries.blogspot.com/
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| From | Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> |
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| Date | 2019-08-24 14:55 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <877e724cmx.fsf@usenet.ankman.de> |
| In reply to | #27945 |
On Fri, 23 Aug 2019 15:45:08 -0400, Andreas Kohlbach wrote: > > I started with Suse some day in 1998 and used it until the disk died in > 2003. A friend suggested Debian. I liked but moving countries that HD > died too. Had no access to high speed internet so I grabbed some French > magazine with a Mandrake (or was it Mandriva already) to have Linux at > all. After I got access to Debian via image download and never looked beck. Forgot to mention Suse shared the giant 1.3 GB hard disk with Windows 98 using some 800 MB itself. So Suse ran without GUI. Which was good so I was forced to learn bash (or was it sh?). Next Linux had KDE but that in my opinion became to bloated that I installed on the follow up machine Gnome in Debian. This is the same hard disk I use today. Installation in 2011 and the hard disk just keeps going. :-) I have also xfce installed and can choose on login which one to use. -- Andreas
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2019-08-24 21:02 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <m7e83g-6gh.ln1@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #27948 |
On 24/08/2019 20.55, Andreas Kohlbach wrote: > On Fri, 23 Aug 2019 15:45:08 -0400, Andreas Kohlbach wrote: >> >> I started with Suse some day in 1998 and used it until the disk died in >> 2003. A friend suggested Debian. I liked but moving countries that HD >> died too. Had no access to high speed internet so I grabbed some French >> magazine with a Mandrake (or was it Mandriva already) to have Linux at >> all. After I got access to Debian via image download and never looked beck. > > Forgot to mention Suse shared the giant 1.3 GB hard disk with Windows 98 > using some 800 MB itself. So Suse ran without GUI. Which was good so I > was forced to learn bash (or was it sh?). 2003? Bash. They have installed and used bash by default since I started using it on 1998, version 5.2. Probably before that as well. -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> |
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| Date | 2019-08-22 14:48 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <87d0gxvxwl.fsf@usenet.ankman.de> |
| In reply to | #27907 |
On Thu, 22 Aug 2019 09:15:30 -0400, Dave wrote: > > A friend of mine works with seniors and they are facing getting rid of > what ever Windows version they had (7 maybe - don't know for sure) on > their many computers. Windows 10 seems to be an issue for them for a > lot of reasons. So he asked me about Linux. The problem for me is > that I don't have any experience with this. So, I'm hoping that some > of you have had experience with Linux for seniors that may have had > some computer experience - Windows XP perhaps - and can describe the > situation they faced, what distribution worked best, and anything that > may be of interest. > > I have been told that Linux Mint and Elementary are good. I find Mint > to be ugly, [...] It looks different from Windows. If you're only going for the looks you won't find any Linux distribution. It's always bad to have experience with some other OS. I know a MacOS user got a new job in an office and is forced to use Windows. He hates Windows. A neighbor of mine is 72. He had zero experience with computers at all. I installed him Mint with the Mate desktop. Zero problems for him. -- Andreas My random thoughts and comments https://news-commentaries.blogspot.com/
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| From | Dave <dboland9@protonmail.com> |
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| Date | 2019-08-22 17:15 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <qjn0ll$1f99$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #27922 |
On 8/22/19 2:48 PM, Andreas Kohlbach wrote: > On Thu, 22 Aug 2019 09:15:30 -0400, Dave wrote: >> >> A friend of mine works with seniors and they are facing getting rid of >> what ever Windows version they had (7 maybe - don't know for sure) on >> their many computers. Windows 10 seems to be an issue for them for a >> lot of reasons. So he asked me about Linux. The problem for me is >> that I don't have any experience with this. So, I'm hoping that some >> of you have had experience with Linux for seniors that may have had >> some computer experience - Windows XP perhaps - and can describe the >> situation they faced, what distribution worked best, and anything that >> may be of interest. >> >> I have been told that Linux Mint and Elementary are good. I find Mint >> to be ugly, [...] > > It looks different from Windows. If you're only going for the looks you > won't find any Linux distribution. > > It's always bad to have experience with some other OS. I know a MacOS > user got a new job in an office and is forced to use Windows. He hates > Windows. > > A neighbor of mine is 72. He had zero experience with computers at all. I > installed him Mint with the Mate desktop. Zero problems for him. > Mint has a good reputation for senior users. I just don't care for the look/feel, and I find it strange that open source software requires cookies (and yes, I know exactly what they are to all the ass holes that seem to think I don't). To me, free and open means just that, and cookies is a commercial thing. Dave,
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2019-08-23 00:11 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <jhg33g-1ju.ln1@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #27927 |
On 22/08/2019 23.15, Dave wrote: > On 8/22/19 2:48 PM, Andreas Kohlbach wrote: >> On Thu, 22 Aug 2019 09:15:30 -0400, Dave wrote: >>> >>> A friend of mine works with seniors and they are facing getting rid of >>> what ever Windows version they had (7 maybe - don't know for sure) on >>> their many computers. Windows 10 seems to be an issue for them for a >>> lot of reasons. So he asked me about Linux. The problem for me is >>> that I don't have any experience with this. So, I'm hoping that some >>> of you have had experience with Linux for seniors that may have had >>> some computer experience - Windows XP perhaps - and can describe the >>> situation they faced, what distribution worked best, and anything that >>> may be of interest. >>> >>> I have been told that Linux Mint and Elementary are good. I find Mint >>> to be ugly, [...] >> >> It looks different from Windows. If you're only going for the looks you >> won't find any Linux distribution. >> >> It's always bad to have experience with some other OS. I know a MacOS >> user got a new job in an office and is forced to use Windows. He hates >> Windows. >> >> A neighbor of mine is 72. He had zero experience with computers at all. I >> installed him Mint with the Mate desktop. Zero problems for him. >> > Mint has a good reputation for senior users. I just don't care for the > look/feel, and I find it strange that open source software requires > cookies (and yes, I know exactly what they are to all the ass holes that > seem to think I don't). To me, free and open means just that, and > cookies is a commercial thing. LOL! -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2019-08-23 08:36 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <qjo51f$hko$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #27927 |
On 22/08/2019 22:15, Dave wrote:
> On 8/22/19 2:48 PM, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
>> On Thu, 22 Aug 2019 09:15:30 -0400, Dave wrote:
>>>
>>> A friend of mine works with seniors and they are facing getting rid of
>>> what ever Windows version they had (7 maybe - don't know for sure) on
>>> their many computers. Windows 10 seems to be an issue for them for a
>>> lot of reasons. So he asked me about Linux. The problem for me is
>>> that I don't have any experience with this. So, I'm hoping that some
>>> of you have had experience with Linux for seniors that may have had
>>> some computer experience - Windows XP perhaps - and can describe the
>>> situation they faced, what distribution worked best, and anything that
>>> may be of interest.
>>>
>>> I have been told that Linux Mint and Elementary are good. I find Mint
>>> to be ugly, [...]
>>
>> It looks different from Windows. If you're only going for the looks you
>> won't find any Linux distribution.
>>
>> It's always bad to have experience with some other OS. I know a MacOS
>> user got a new job in an office and is forced to use Windows. He hates
>> Windows.
>>
>> A neighbor of mine is 72. He had zero experience with computers at all. I
>> installed him Mint with the Mate desktop. Zero problems for him.
>>
> Mint has a good reputation for senior users. I just don't care for the
> look/feel, and I find it strange that open source software requires
> cookies (and yes, I know exactly what they are to all the ass holes that
> seem to think I don't). To me, free and open means just that, and
> cookies is a commercial thing.
>
May be. Try writing server side software that allows user sessions
without them!
Probably could be done with hidden post variables, but in essence thats
what a cookie is!
Some websites need to know who you are. So you dont empty someone elses
bank account
> Dave,
--
“Ideas are inherently conservative. They yield not to the attack of
other ideas but to the massive onslaught of circumstance"
- John K Galbraith
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| From | Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2019-08-23 09:06 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <87r25c9uh0.fsf@LkoBDZeT.terraraq.uk> |
| In reply to | #27937 |
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> writes: > On 22/08/2019 22:15, Dave wrote: >> Mint has a good reputation for senior users. I just don't care for >> the look/feel, and I find it strange that open source software >> requires cookies (and yes, I know exactly what they are to all the >> ass holes that seem to think I don't). To me, free and open means >> just that, and cookies is a commercial thing. > > May be. Try writing server side software that allows user sessions > without them! > > Probably could be done with hidden post variables, but in essence > thats what a cookie is! > > Some websites need to know who you are. So you dont empty someone > elses bank account Client certificates. But the general public mostly don’t have them. -- https://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2019-08-23 12:33 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <qjoiun$p0q$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #27938 |
On 23/08/2019 09:06, Richard Kettlewell wrote:
> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> writes:
>> On 22/08/2019 22:15, Dave wrote:
>>> Mint has a good reputation for senior users. I just don't care for
>>> the look/feel, and I find it strange that open source software
>>> requires cookies (and yes, I know exactly what they are to all the
>>> ass holes that seem to think I don't). To me, free and open means
>>> just that, and cookies is a commercial thing.
>>
>> May be. Try writing server side software that allows user sessions
>> without them!
>>
>> Probably could be done with hidden post variables, but in essence
>> thats what a cookie is!
>>
>> Some websites need to know who you are. So you dont empty someone
>> elses bank account
>
> Client certificates. But the general public mostly don’t have them.
>
Bank accounts?
--
"The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow witted
man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest
thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly
persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of doubt, what is laid
before him."
- Leo Tolstoy
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| From | Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2019-08-23 14:03 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <87lfvk9gpc.fsf@LkoBDZeT.terraraq.uk> |
| In reply to | #27940 |
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> writes: > On 23/08/2019 09:06, Richard Kettlewell wrote: >> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> writes: >>> On 22/08/2019 22:15, Dave wrote: >>>> Mint has a good reputation for senior users. I just don't care for >>>> the look/feel, and I find it strange that open source software >>>> requires cookies (and yes, I know exactly what they are to all the >>>> ass holes that seem to think I don't). To me, free and open means >>>> just that, and cookies is a commercial thing. >>> >>> May be. Try writing server side software that allows user sessions >>> without them! >>> >>> Probably could be done with hidden post variables, but in essence >>> thats what a cookie is! >>> >>> Some websites need to know who you are. So you dont empty someone >>> elses bank account >> >> Client certificates. But the general public mostly don’t have them. >> > Bank accounts? Which banks authenticate users via client certs? (I’ve never encountered one directly but there are plenty of banks I’ve never interacted with.) -- https://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2019-08-23 16:28 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <to953g-298.ln1@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #27941 |
On 23/08/2019 15.03, Richard Kettlewell wrote: > The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> writes: >> On 23/08/2019 09:06, Richard Kettlewell wrote: >>> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> writes: >>>> On 22/08/2019 22:15, Dave wrote: >>>>> Mint has a good reputation for senior users. I just don't care for >>>>> the look/feel, and I find it strange that open source software >>>>> requires cookies (and yes, I know exactly what they are to all the >>>>> ass holes that seem to think I don't). To me, free and open means >>>>> just that, and cookies is a commercial thing. >>>> >>>> May be. Try writing server side software that allows user sessions >>>> without them! >>>> >>>> Probably could be done with hidden post variables, but in essence >>>> thats what a cookie is! >>>> >>>> Some websites need to know who you are. So you dont empty someone >>>> elses bank account >>> >>> Client certificates. But the general public mostly don’t have them. However, browsers have some type of identifiers. A site can request those, and store info at the server associated to the identifier. >>> >> Bank accounts? > > Which banks authenticate users via client certs? (I’ve never encountered > one directly but there are plenty of banks I’ve never interacted with.) I have not seen it, either. Well, they can use legal crypto identifiers (PKCS). I have not seen that with banks, but several government entities here (Spain) use them. Also, we have a a mandatory identity card, which has a chip (with password). This can be used on some sites to identify the person legally, and I have heard of banks using them (I have not managed to make it work in Linux). But once you are legally identified, the authorization is passed from page to page by cookies, of course. -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> |
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| Date | 2019-08-26 08:31 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <Ibadndhgid3bQv7AnZ2dnUU7-enNnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #27927 |
At Thu, 22 Aug 2019 17:15:34 -0400 Dave <dboland9@protonmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 8/22/19 2:48 PM, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
> > On Thu, 22 Aug 2019 09:15:30 -0400, Dave wrote:
> >>
> >> A friend of mine works with seniors and they are facing getting rid of
> >> what ever Windows version they had (7 maybe - don't know for sure) on
> >> their many computers. Windows 10 seems to be an issue for them for a
> >> lot of reasons. So he asked me about Linux. The problem for me is
> >> that I don't have any experience with this. So, I'm hoping that some
> >> of you have had experience with Linux for seniors that may have had
> >> some computer experience - Windows XP perhaps - and can describe the
> >> situation they faced, what distribution worked best, and anything that
> >> may be of interest.
> >>
> >> I have been told that Linux Mint and Elementary are good. I find Mint
> >> to be ugly, [...]
> >
> > It looks different from Windows. If you're only going for the looks you
> > won't find any Linux distribution.
> >
> > It's always bad to have experience with some other OS. I know a MacOS
> > user got a new job in an office and is forced to use Windows. He hates
> > Windows.
> >
> > A neighbor of mine is 72. He had zero experience with computers at all. I
> > installed him Mint with the Mate desktop. Zero problems for him.
> >
> Mint has a good reputation for senior users. I just don't care for the
> look/feel, and I find it strange that open source software requires
> cookies (and yes, I know exactly what they are to all the ass holes that
> seem to think I don't). To me, free and open means just that, and
> cookies is a commercial thing.
Umm... Your ignorance just showed up. There is NOTHING "commercial" about
cookies. (Yes, they are sometimes used for various commercial purposes, but
that is not an inate feature of cookies.)
You should avoid dihydrogen-monooxide. It is a common *industrial* solvent.
It has many *commercial* uses. You should petition your local government to
have it removed from the local water supply.
>
> Dave,
>
--
Robert Heller -- 978-544-6933
Deepwoods Software -- Custom Software Services
http://www.deepsoft.com/ -- Linux Administration Services
heller@deepsoft.com -- Webhosting Services
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| From | Jerry Peters <jerry@example.invalid> |
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| Date | 2019-08-26 20:35 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <qk1fq2$eki$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #27957 |
Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> wrote: > At Thu, 22 Aug 2019 17:15:34 -0400 Dave <dboland9@protonmail.com> wrote: > >> >> On 8/22/19 2:48 PM, Andreas Kohlbach wrote: >> > On Thu, 22 Aug 2019 09:15:30 -0400, Dave wrote: >> >> >> >> A friend of mine works with seniors and they are facing getting rid of >> >> what ever Windows version they had (7 maybe - don't know for sure) on >> >> their many computers. Windows 10 seems to be an issue for them for a >> >> lot of reasons. So he asked me about Linux. The problem for me is >> >> that I don't have any experience with this. So, I'm hoping that some >> >> of you have had experience with Linux for seniors that may have had >> >> some computer experience - Windows XP perhaps - and can describe the >> >> situation they faced, what distribution worked best, and anything that >> >> may be of interest. >> >> >> >> I have been told that Linux Mint and Elementary are good. I find Mint >> >> to be ugly, [...] >> > >> > It looks different from Windows. If you're only going for the looks you >> > won't find any Linux distribution. >> > >> > It's always bad to have experience with some other OS. I know a MacOS >> > user got a new job in an office and is forced to use Windows. He hates >> > Windows. >> > >> > A neighbor of mine is 72. He had zero experience with computers at all. I >> > installed him Mint with the Mate desktop. Zero problems for him. >> > >> Mint has a good reputation for senior users. I just don't care for the >> look/feel, and I find it strange that open source software requires >> cookies (and yes, I know exactly what they are to all the ass holes that >> seem to think I don't). To me, free and open means just that, and >> cookies is a commercial thing. > > Umm... Your ignorance just showed up. There is NOTHING "commercial" about > cookies. (Yes, they are sometimes used for various commercial purposes, but > that is not an inate feature of cookies.) > > You should avoid dihydrogen-monooxide. It is a common *industrial* solvent. > It has many *commercial* uses. You should petition your local government to > have it removed from the local water supply. Alos it's deadly when inhaled in its liquid form, and fairly corrosive.
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| From | Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> |
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| Date | 2019-08-26 13:25 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <87d0gr6dpx.fsf@usenet.ankman.de> |
| In reply to | #27927 |
On Thu, 22 Aug 2019 17:15:34 -0400, Dave wrote: > > Mint has a good reputation for senior users. I just don't care for > the look/feel, and I find it strange that open source software > requires cookies (and yes, I know exactly what they are to all the ass > holes that seem to think I don't). To me, free and open means just > that, and cookies is a commercial thing. As you were told they are not a commercial think. What do you think of Wikipedia? Non-profit, open... Just only called the portal with a clean cookie jar and get WMF-Last-Access=26-Aug-2019 and three more. So what? You can use cookies for something else and eviler than just log the last access date. You can also use a knife for something else than slicing bread. -- Andreas
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2019-08-23 08:31 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <qjo4p4$f4h$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #27922 |
On 22/08/2019 19:48, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
> A neighbor of mine is 72. He had zero experience with computers at all. I
> installed him Mint with the Mate desktop. Zero problems for him.
A neighbour of mine is 85.
I installed Mint Mate for him. He has rather less trouble with it than
he does his I phone.
--
“Ideas are inherently conservative. They yield not to the attack of
other ideas but to the massive onslaught of circumstance"
- John K Galbraith
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| From | Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> |
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| Date | 2019-08-23 03:54 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <20190822234216@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #27907 |
On 2019-08-22, Dave <dboland9@protonmail.com> wrote: > A friend of mine works with seniors and they are facing getting rid of > what ever Windows version they had (7 maybe - don't know for sure) on > their many computers. Windows 10 seems to be an issue for them for a lot > of reasons. So he asked me about Linux. The problem for me is that I > don't have any experience with this. So, I'm hoping that some of you > have had experience with Linux for seniors that may have had some > computer experience - Windows XP perhaps - and can describe the > situation they faced, what distribution worked best, and anything that > may be of interest. There is a computer sold commercially that is designed for seniors and runs Linux, the "Wow!" computer. The OS is a locked-down, customized version of Linux. A 90-year-old neighbor has one. These computers are grievously and ridiculously overpriced for the level of hardware included, to the point where I wonder how those people can look at themselves in the mirror or sleep at night. However they are very easy to use and since the user cannot install additional software it's pretty difficult to screw them up. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Roger Blake (Posts from Google Groups killfiled due to excess spam.) NSA sedition and treason -- http://www.DeathToNSAthugs.com Don't talk to cops! -- http://www.DontTalkToCops.com Badges don't grant extra rights -- http://www.CopBlock.org -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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| From | "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> |
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| Date | 2019-08-23 01:05 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <op.z6ylrwora3w0dxdave@hodgins.homeip.net> |
| In reply to | #27929 |
On Thu, 22 Aug 2019 23:54:02 -0400, Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> wrote: For the people I support with very low, if any computer experience I set up an account for them on my "almost always on" system, that their computer establishes a ssh connection to during it's boot up by calling a script from rc.local. From my computer, which is running autossh, I can ssh to theirs either for maintenance (installing updates, etc.), or troubleshooting using vnc to share their desktop. The ssh daemons use keys only, no passwords, and run on non-standard ports to avoid flooding the logs with brute force attacks. As all of the systems involved use dynamic dns, I use https://dyn.com/dns/ with ddclient so the remote systems can find mine, and forward the ports used for the ssh connections from my router to the system I use. A bit of work to learn hot to set it up the first time it's used, but it provides a secure way for me to provide support without having to leave my place. The programs that get the most use on their systems are firefox, rhythmbox, vlc, and some games. As I'm the person providing support, the best distro for them is the same one I use, which is Mageia. As well as using it since it was forked from Mandrake/Mandriva, I'm the qa team leader for Mageia. Regards, Dave Hodgins -- Change dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org to davidwhodgins@teksavvy.com for email replies.
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| From | Dave <dboland9@protonmail.com> |
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| Date | 2019-08-23 02:04 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <qjnvl1$1fn7$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #27930 |
On 8/23/19 1:05 AM, David W. Hodgins wrote: > On Thu, 22 Aug 2019 23:54:02 -0400, Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> > wrote: > > For the people I support with very low, if any computer experience I > set up an account for them on my "almost always on" system, that their > computer establishes a ssh connection to during it's boot up by calling > a script from rc.local. > > From my computer, which is running autossh, I can ssh to theirs either for > maintenance (installing updates, etc.), or troubleshooting using vnc to > share their desktop. > > The ssh daemons use keys only, no passwords, and run on non-standard ports > to avoid flooding the logs with brute force attacks. > > As all of the systems involved use dynamic dns, I use https://dyn.com/dns/ > with ddclient so the remote systems can find mine, and forward the ports > used for the ssh connections from my router to the system I use. > > A bit of work to learn hot to set it up the first time it's used, but it > provides a secure way for me to provide support without having to leave my > place. > > The programs that get the most use on their systems are firefox, rhythmbox, > vlc, and some games. > > As I'm the person providing support, the best distro for them is the same > one I use, which is Mageia. As well as using it since it was forked from > Mandrake/Mandriva, I'm the qa team leader for Mageia. > > Regards, Dave Hodgins > Dave, That is an interesting idea. My understanding is that there is a room full of Windows computers in this case and the desire is to make them all independent. My guess is that your idea works only if there is someone there that can do the same job you do, and there is not. Earlier today I downloaded Mageria. I do have a few questions if you have a moment. How well stocked and how fresh are the software repositories? Server users seem to like the stability of older software, but desktop users, as is the case here, like to have nearly the latest. Do they have a good software store and client, or do they use Synaptic? I like Synaptic, but would be hesitant to offer it to older people unless there was someone to guide them (doubtful). As I recall, Mandrake had its own packaging system. Is that true of Mageria? I'm a little biased toward apt/Debian, but am flexible if it works well. Thanks, Dave Boland
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| From | Bit Twister <BitTwister@mouse-potato.com> |
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| Date | 2019-08-23 01:59 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <slrnqlv3n8.5a2.BitTwister@wb.home.test> |
| In reply to | #27932 |
On Fri, 23 Aug 2019 02:04:17 -0400, Dave wrote: <big snip> > That is an interesting idea. My understanding is that there is a room > full of Windows computers in this case and the desire is to make them > all independent. My guess is that your idea works only if there is > someone there that can do the same job you do, and there is not. Keep in mind, they would not be able to install Windows on a clean machine get it locked down, setup a firewall and what not. Mageia is going to make something like that pretty easy. > Earlier today I downloaded Mageria. I do have a few questions if you > have a moment. How well stocked and how fresh are the software > repositories? Server users seem to like the stability of older > software, but desktop users, as is the case here, like to have nearly > the latest. Do they have a good software store and client, or do they > use Synaptic? I like Synaptic, but would be hesitant to offer it to > older people unless there was someone to guide them (doubtful). Basically Synaptic is a gui wrapper for deb packages. Mageia uses rpm packaging. You would find that Mageia's gui package manager as easy to use as Synaptic. You can also use DNF and yum. > > As I recall, Mandrake had its own packaging system. Is that true of > Mageria? I'm a little biased toward apt/Debian, but am flexible if it > works well. As indicated it is rpm based and works well. Very easy to write scripts to install additional software. In my opinion, you could boot something like systemrescuecd from http://www.system-rescue-cd.org/, and run gparted to create/format/label desired partitions. That would allow you to setup the system to not use Window secure boot. Then boot the live cd and have it use current partitioning scheme. Other option is to tell the installer to automagically use the whole disk and let it decide what to do. I script what media site to use for installing updates and install additional software and do software backups. I maintain 3 nodes on my LAN plus my neighbors system. I wrote a pull_updates script to pull down all packages for update, if any, and run a basic install test. If there are updates and no pre-install test problems, used xmessage to pop up a message with the command to use to install the updates. Mageia has the same kind of thing except you get a message about there are updates to be installed. At that point you get to a root terminal, run mcc to select update software, click ok, and let it install all updates.
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