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  Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-02-12 22:58 -0500
    Re: Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-13 07:10 +0000
      Re: Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-02-13 03:50 -0500
        Re: Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-13 22:07 +0100
          Re: Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-02-14 01:16 -0500
            Re: Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-14 09:50 +0100
              Re: Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-02-14 10:30 +0000
              Re: Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-14 11:46 +0000
                Re: Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-14 22:51 +0100
                  Re: Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-02-15 03:22 -0500
                    Re: Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-15 11:36 +0100
                      Motivation of High Performing People Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-02-15 14:56 +0000
                        Re: Motivation of High Performing People D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-15 22:15 +0100
                  Re: Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-15 09:53 +0000
                    Re: Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-15 11:38 +0100
                      Re: Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-02-15 21:13 -0500
                        Re: Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-16 11:51 +0100
                    Musk et al. Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-02-15 15:01 +0000
                      Re: Musk et al. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-15 15:52 +0000
                        Re: Musk et al. Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-02-15 13:18 -0500
                          Re: Musk et al. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-02-15 17:23 -0600
                            Re: Musk et al. CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-15 19:37 -0500
                            Re: Musk et al. pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-02-16 02:00 +0000
                            Re: Musk et al. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-16 03:36 +0000
                              Re: Musk et al. D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-16 11:52 +0100
                            Re: Musk et al. Shadow <Sh@dow.br> - 2025-02-16 16:36 -0300
                          Re: Musk et al. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-16 20:40 +0000
                        Re: Musk et al. Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-02-15 21:13 +0000
                          Re: Musk et al. not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-02-16 07:45 +1000
                            Re: Musk et al. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-16 20:44 +0000
                        Re: Musk et al. not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-02-16 07:28 +1000
                          Re: Musk et al. D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-16 11:42 +0100
                            Re: Musk et al. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-02-16 07:33 -0600
                              Re: Musk et al. snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-02-16 13:47 +0000
                                Re: Musk et al. D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-16 15:18 +0100
                                  Re: Musk et al. not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-02-17 07:41 +1000
                                    Re: Musk et al. D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-17 13:40 +0100
                                      Re: Musk et al. Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-02-17 18:08 +0000
                                        Re: Musk et al. D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-17 22:31 +0100
                                          Re: Musk et al. snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-02-17 21:38 +0000
                                            Re: Musk et al. D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-18 10:40 +0100
                                              [OT] dual nationality and marriage (was: Re: Musk et al.) snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-02-18 13:30 +0000
                                                Re: [OT] dual nationality and marriage (was: Re: Musk et al.) D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-18 22:35 +0100
                                                  Re: [OT] dual nationality and marriage (was: Re: Musk et al.) Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-02-18 16:42 -0500
                                                    Re: [OT] dual nationality and marriage % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-02-18 15:22 -0700
                                          Re: Musk et al. Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-02-17 22:09 +0000
                                            Re: Musk et al. D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-18 10:45 +0100
                                    Re: Musk et al. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-02-17 09:10 -0600
                                      Re: Musk et al. Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2025-02-17 16:54 +0100
                                        Re: Musk et al. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-18 09:25 +0000
                                      Re: Musk et al. Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-02-17 13:29 -0600
                              Re: Musk et al. CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-16 08:57 -0500
                                Re: Musk et al. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-02-16 09:13 -0600
                            Re: Musk et al. Shadow <Sh@dow.br> - 2025-02-16 16:35 -0300
                              Re: Musk et al. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-16 21:08 +0000
                                Re: Musk et al. not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-02-17 08:02 +1000
                                  Re: Musk et al. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-17 05:04 +0000
                                  Re: Musk et al. D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-17 13:42 +0100
                                Re: Musk et al. D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-17 11:49 +0100
                            Re: Musk et al. not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-02-17 07:27 +1000
                              Re: Musk et al. D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-17 13:45 +0100
                                Re: Musk et al. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-17 12:54 +0000
                                  Re: Musk et al. D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-17 22:27 +0100
                                Re: Musk et al. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-02-17 10:28 -0600
                                Re: Musk et al. not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-02-18 07:27 +1000
                                  Re: Musk et al. D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-18 10:38 +0100
            Re: Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-14 11:34 +0000
        Re: Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-13 21:43 +0000
          Re: Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-02-14 00:24 +0000
            Re: Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-14 02:54 +0000
              Re: Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-02-14 01:35 -0500
                Re: Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-14 09:53 +0100
                  Re: Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-14 11:40 +0000
                Re: Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-14 11:39 +0000
              Re: Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-14 09:45 +0100
                Re: Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-14 11:45 +0000
                  Re: Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-02-14 11:37 -0600
                    Re: Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-15 09:50 +0000
                  Re: Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-14 22:50 +0100
                    Re: Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-15 09:50 +0000
                      Re: Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-15 11:37 +0100
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      Re: Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-13 22:05 +0100
        Re: Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-13 22:08 +0000
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        Re: Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-02-13 16:36 -0600
          Re: Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-02-14 01:32 -0500
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#65595 — Re: Musk et al.

On Sun, 17 Feb 2025, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:

> In comp.os.linux.misc D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>> On Sat, 16 Feb 2025, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
>>> With Trump v1 I hoped Australia's eternal arse kissing of America
>>> might become at least a bit less blind. Nope, still with 'em all
>>> the way. Same this time no doubt - Australian intelligence agencies
>>> will be the last ones to stop sharing every little scrap of info
>>> they get on anyone to the USA where they officially don't give a
>>> stuff about the rights of any Australian. Trump will keep the deal
>>> to sell us nuclear subs going, but that won't actually happen until
>>> after he's long gone anyway (out of office, and probably also died
>>> of old age by then).
>>
>> Is it true what I read in the newspaper from my little corner of the world, that
>> australia is turning into a surveillance state?
>>
>> Sweden is also turning into a surveillance state as well, so maybe this is a new
>> global trend that caught on after corona?
>
> It pre-dates corona. Really the USA started it, I'm not sure what
> exactly their legal basis is but somehow they can compel any tech
> company there to give them a backdoor (see Snowden leaks (which
> include showing the co-operation of Apple), Lavabit, etc.) and
> later in the 2010s compelled its allies to enact laws permitting
> the same thing there.

With corona, china also became very influential when it came to spreading 
its views on privacy and government intervention in the world. Not very 
surprisingly, all western politicians cheered and proceeded with 
abolishing all checks on their power, seeing that perhaps their wet dream 
of never again having to have an election might come true.

> I'm just waiting to hear about a data leak from one of these
> intelligence agencies. I'll bet it's already happened, what with
> Snowden being able to share the NSA's internal documents with the
> media, how many similar guys sold the actual collected data to
> criminals or enemy govs? But for that to be revealed publicly
> someone would have to find out from the criminals or the enemy
> gov. The NSA (or foreign equivalent) will obviously never admit
> to something like that happening, possibly not even to their own
> government.

I am 100% certain that australia has chinese sleeper agents everywhere in 
the government. They know the encryption keys and the weaknesses of the 
systems and are just biding their time for when an issue important enough 
comes up, in order to activate them.

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#65596 — Re: Musk et al.

On 17/02/2025 12:45, D wrote:
> I am 100% certain that australia has chinese sleeper agents everywhere 
> in the government. They know the encryption keys and the weaknesses of 
> the systems and are just biding their time for when an issue important 
> enough comes up, in order to activate them.

Well if USA foreign policy isn't being run from Moscow, it sure looks 
that way...
-- 
"The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow witted 
man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest 
thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly 
persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of doubt, what is laid 
before him."

    - Leo Tolstoy

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#65603 — Re: Musk et al.

On Mon, 17 Feb 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 17/02/2025 12:45, D wrote:
>> I am 100% certain that australia has chinese sleeper agents everywhere in 
>> the government. They know the encryption keys and the weaknesses of the 
>> systems and are just biding their time for when an issue important enough 
>> comes up, in order to activate them.
>
> Well if USA foreign policy isn't being run from Moscow, it sure looks that 
> way...

No... it's just short term business thinking from the president. I've seen 
it countless times in glocal IT corporations, and his goal is a peace 
prize ASAP.

He is doing a two pronged attacked... one is trying to solve it ASAP, 
letting europe pick up the pieces. The other one, is to provoke europe 
into acting.

After all, europe had 3 years to act, did nothing, and is now whining like 
a little baby. Zelensky said it best... if europe wants a seat on the 
world stage, then do something to become relevant.

Looking at the past 3 years you get the feeling that europe actually would 
like to prolong the war as much as possible. Don't ask me why. I find it 
very stupid.

And don't get me started on the joke of the sanctions. They have no effect 
what so ever, since india, china, iran and the dirka-dirka-stan countries 
are all helping russia to avoid them.

So say what you like about Trump, but at least he is doing something, 
which is something europe has failed to do for 3 years.

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#65599 — Re: Musk et al.

D wrote:

>With corona, china also became very influential when it came to spreading 
>its views on privacy and government intervention in the world. Not very 
>surprisingly, all western politicians cheered and proceeded with 
>abolishing all checks on their power, seeing that perhaps their wet dream 
>of never again having to have an election might come true.

Exactly.  Power-mad tyrants are everywhere.

>I am 100% certain that australia has chinese sleeper agents everywhere in 
>the government. They know the encryption keys and the weaknesses of the 
>systems and are just biding their time for when an issue important enough 
>comes up, in order to activate them.

Same, in the US.  They take advantage of our open borders to plant
military men here, ready to attack our infrastructure, should we
intervene in their taking of Taiwan.

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#65602 — Re: Musk et al.

In comp.os.linux.misc D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Feb 2025, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
>> I'm just waiting to hear about a data leak from one of these
>> intelligence agencies. I'll bet it's already happened, what with
>> Snowden being able to share the NSA's internal documents with the
>> media, how many similar guys sold the actual collected data to
>> criminals or enemy govs? But for that to be revealed publicly
>> someone would have to find out from the criminals or the enemy
>> gov. The NSA (or foreign equivalent) will obviously never admit
>> to something like that happening, possibly not even to their own
>> government.
> 
> I am 100% certain that australia has chinese sleeper agents everywhere in 
> the government. They know the encryption keys and the weaknesses of the 
> systems and are just biding their time for when an issue important enough 
> comes up, in order to activate them.

Until very recently the Chinese were the ones who had _built_ the
systems. There's an ongoing program of replacing things like
security camera systems in government buildings and around civil
infrastructure which were all bought from the Chinese. Our dopy
politicians somehow didn't notice the problem until China started
banning our exports and we suddenly remembered that they were the
same country our military was designed to defend us against.

As you suggest, the Chinese are probably way ahead of all that
anyway.

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#65615 — Re: Musk et al.

On Mon, 18 Feb 2025, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:

> In comp.os.linux.misc D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>> On Sun, 17 Feb 2025, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
>>> I'm just waiting to hear about a data leak from one of these
>>> intelligence agencies. I'll bet it's already happened, what with
>>> Snowden being able to share the NSA's internal documents with the
>>> media, how many similar guys sold the actual collected data to
>>> criminals or enemy govs? But for that to be revealed publicly
>>> someone would have to find out from the criminals or the enemy
>>> gov. The NSA (or foreign equivalent) will obviously never admit
>>> to something like that happening, possibly not even to their own
>>> government.
>>
>> I am 100% certain that australia has chinese sleeper agents everywhere in
>> the government. They know the encryption keys and the weaknesses of the
>> systems and are just biding their time for when an issue important enough
>> comes up, in order to activate them.
>
> Until very recently the Chinese were the ones who had _built_ the
> systems. There's an ongoing program of replacing things like
> security camera systems in government buildings and around civil
> infrastructure which were all bought from the Chinese. Our dopy
> politicians somehow didn't notice the problem until China started
> banning our exports and we suddenly remembered that they were the
> same country our military was designed to defend us against.
>
> As you suggest, the Chinese are probably way ahead of all that
> anyway.

Interesting! China was banned from the swedish 5G network auctions. I 
think that was one of the few smart decisions by swedish politicians. 
China complained and threatened but did not get their way. Granted, sweden 
has a hueg advantage in that Ericsson and Nokia are close, so there was no 
need for chinese equipment.

An acquaintance worked for Huawei once, and he used to tell me that all 
their stuff came delivered with the weakest of security defaults, which 
were never changed at customers sites.

I'm convinced, that there are more flaws, by design, in equipment sent to 
the military or military research projects.

When WW3 starts, we shall see! ;)

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#65521

On 14/02/2025 06:16, WokieSux282@ud0s4.net wrote:
> I am not beyond thinking LLMs will eventually, maybe
>    kinda soon, exhibit 'conscious', 'self-realized'
>    intelligence.
Even politicians have achieved a reasonable simulacrum of this.
-- 
Microsoft : the best reason to go to Linux that ever existed.

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#65498

On Thu, 13 Feb 2025 03:50:11 -0500, WokieSux282@ud0s4.net wrote:

>    The "a few mistakes are OK" logic WILL be applied.

So it goes. One of the concrete NN wins is detecting diabetic retinopathy 
where it outperforms ophthalmologists by a small amount. The inference is 
humans can generate false positives and false negatives too.

During my first exam with my current primary about 20 years ago she 
offered a PSA test but explained that there are a lot of false positives 
that scare the hell out of people. She would order the test if I wanted or 
we could go the traditional route. I passed on the test. 

At this point I've probably reached the status of men who die with, but 
not from, prostate cancer. 

Part of training a NN is evaluating the loss for each epoch and iterating 
until it's acceptable. Then the model is ran against fresh data to make 
sure it hasn't been overtrained on the training data or other problems. It 
may not be better than humans but at least probabilities are quantified.

Failures like Google confusing blacks and gorillas point out crappy 
devops. Developing AI requires many roles. LLM hallucinations suggest the 
process isn't quite ready yet. 

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#65503

On 2025-02-13, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

> On Thu, 13 Feb 2025 03:50:11 -0500, WokieSux282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>
>>    The "a few mistakes are OK" logic WILL be applied.

It's often sanitized with that lovely phrase "collateral damage".

> During my first exam with my current primary about 20 years ago she 
> offered a PSA test but explained that there are a lot of false positives 
> that scare the hell out of people. She would order the test if I wanted or 
> we could go the traditional route. I passed on the test. 

I went the other way.  I had been getting a DRE (digital rectal exam,
a.k.a. the finger) every year for 10 years with negative results.
My wife suggested a PSA, and I figured I could look at a number
without freaking out.  The result came back 20 (where 4 is considered
cause for concern).  I calmly asked for another test.  It came out
the same, making it less likely it was a false positive.  Next step
was a biopsy (8 on the Gleason scale), which led to a radical
prostatectomy.  If I had opted for blissful ignorance I'd probably
be dead by now.

> At this point I've probably reached the status of men who die with, but 
> not from, prostate cancer. 

Me too - but I'm still watching my PSA.  It started slowly creeping
up again, but a round of hormone therapy knocked it back down.
Gotta keep weeding the garden...

Please, guys, if you're over 50, get a PSA test.

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  Growth for the sake of
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  growth is the ideology
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  of the cancer cell.
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |    -- Edward Abbey

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#65504

On 14/02/2025 00:24, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> Please, guys, if you're over 50, get a PSA test.
Every time I have a test they come up with yet another incurable condition.

If I were a gambling man, I'd take bets on which one is going to kill me 
first

And yet, I seem to be still here...
-- 
"Anyone who believes that the laws of physics are mere social 
conventions is invited to try transgressing those conventions from the 
windows of my apartment. (I live on the twenty-first floor.) "

Alan Sokal

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#65511

On 2/13/25 9:54 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 14/02/2025 00:24, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>> Please, guys, if you're over 50, get a PSA test.
> Every time I have a test they come up with yet another incurable condition.
> 
> If I were a gambling man, I'd take bets on which one is going to kill me 
> first
> 
> And yet, I seem to be still here...

   These "tests" ... mostly seem to be designed to
   generate income from more and more tests and
   'treatments' ........

   In my experience, the people who stay furthest
   away from Modern Med live the longest and best.

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#65519

On Fri, 14 Feb 2025, WokieSux282@ud0s4.net wrote:

> On 2/13/25 9:54 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 14/02/2025 00:24, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>> Please, guys, if you're over 50, get a PSA test.
>> Every time I have a test they come up with yet another incurable condition.
>> 
>> If I were a gambling man, I'd take bets on which one is going to kill me 
>> first
>> 
>> And yet, I seem to be still here...
>
>  These "tests" ... mostly seem to be designed to
>  generate income from more and more tests and
>  'treatments' ........
>
>  In my experience, the people who stay furthest
>  away from Modern Med live the longest and best.

This was a counter argument againts the spotify founders new startup Neko. 
It is a huge multi-scanner that collects several hundreds of data points 
from the human body. Then it crunches and tries to find signals among the 
noise.

The idea is that billionaires and millionaires scan themselves every 
month, to pick up early signals and to get treatment in time.

One doctor criticized it because it could lead to a lot of false alarms, 
that ends up swamping the healthcare system for nothing.

I find it funny that in every era, once you hit a certain level of power, 
it seems the dream of immortality keeps coming back. Chinese emeperors did 
it, and our dear billionaires are now doing it to.

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#65523

On 14/02/2025 08:53, D wrote:
> I find it funny that in every era, once you hit a certain level of 
> power, it seems the dream of immortality keeps coming back. Chinese 
> emeperors did it, and our dear billionaires are now doing it to.

"Who wants to live to 100"

"a 99 year old".

-- 
When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men in a society, over 
the course of time they create for themselves a legal system that 
authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it.

  Frédéric Bastiat

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#65522

On 14/02/2025 06:35, WokieSux282@ud0s4.net wrote:
> On 2/13/25 9:54 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 14/02/2025 00:24, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>> Please, guys, if you're over 50, get a PSA test.
>> Every time I have a test they come up with yet another incurable 
>> condition.
>>
>> If I were a gambling man, I'd take bets on which one is going to kill 
>> me first
>>
>> And yet, I seem to be still here...
> 
>    These "tests" ... mostly seem to be designed to
>    generate income from more and more tests and
>    'treatments' ........
> 
Not in the UK.
The doctors don't get any richer.


>    In my experience, the people who stay furthest
>    away from Modern Med live the longest and best.

Not in my case. I would be dead without it.

I remember the doctor leaning over me and saying 'I meed your consent 
for this operation and here are the things that night go wrong...' with 
a witness beside him. I said 'if I don't have it, what will happen' 'You 
will probably die'.

'Bit of a no brainer then, isn't it' I gasped :-\)

-- 
Microsoft : the best reason to go to Linux that ever existed.

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#65515

On Fri, 14 Feb 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 14/02/2025 00:24, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>> Please, guys, if you're over 50, get a PSA test.
> Every time I have a test they come up with yet another incurable condition.
>
> If I were a gambling man, I'd take bets on which one is going to kill me 
> first
>
> And yet, I seem to be still here...

You are a tough cookie! =)

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#65524

On 14/02/2025 08:45, D wrote:
> 
> 
> On Fri, 14 Feb 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> 
>> On 14/02/2025 00:24, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>> Please, guys, if you're over 50, get a PSA test.
>> Every time I have a test they come up with yet another incurable 
>> condition.
>>
>> If I were a gambling man, I'd take bets on which one is going to kill 
>> me first
>>
>> And yet, I seem to be still here...
> 
> You are a tough cookie! =)

Maybe. Or maybe it is simple chance. The thing is once you are on the 
NHS radar for anything they start looking at you and when they do that, 
they find stuff.

Sometime around 2012 my GP muttered something about 'your white blood 
cell count is too high'...

...Last year my more conscientious lady GP packed me off to haematology 
to find out why, and they diagnosed a very slow rare leukemia. In a very 
early stage. Well it's been like that for ten years or more and hasn't 
gotten much worse...


-- 
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#65527

On 2/14/25 5:45 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 14/02/2025 08:45, D wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 14 Feb 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>
>>> On 14/02/2025 00:24, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>>> Please, guys, if you're over 50, get a PSA test.
>>> Every time I have a test they come up with yet another incurable 
>>> condition.
>>>
>>> If I were a gambling man, I'd take bets on which one is going to kill 
>>> me first
>>>
>>> And yet, I seem to be still here...
>>
>> You are a tough cookie! =)
> 
> Maybe. Or maybe it is simple chance. The thing is once you are on the 
> NHS radar for anything they start looking at you and when they do that, 
> they find stuff.
> 
> Sometime around 2012 my GP muttered something about 'your white blood 
> cell count is too high'...
> 
> ...Last year my more conscientious lady GP packed me off to haematology 
> to find out why, and they diagnosed a very slow rare leukemia. In a very 
> early stage. Well it's been like that for ten years or more and hasn't 
> gotten much worse...
> 
> 


Right now they're making more money with you than save money killing you 
with something. Something sugar packed and gooey your Mom raised you 
with, or cutting the bullshit and placing the ventilator on your face 
and stopping the flow of air after you pass out by injected med, you 
know, like what they did with Relf.

Your people treat you like you Nazis treated them :)

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#65544

On 14/02/2025 17:37, Physfitfreak wrote:
> On 2/14/25 5:45 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 14/02/2025 08:45, D wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, 14 Feb 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 14/02/2025 00:24, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>>>> Please, guys, if you're over 50, get a PSA test.
>>>> Every time I have a test they come up with yet another incurable 
>>>> condition.
>>>>
>>>> If I were a gambling man, I'd take bets on which one is going to 
>>>> kill me first
>>>>
>>>> And yet, I seem to be still here...
>>>
>>> You are a tough cookie! =)
>>
>> Maybe. Or maybe it is simple chance. The thing is once you are on the 
>> NHS radar for anything they start looking at you and when they do 
>> that, they find stuff.
>>
>> Sometime around 2012 my GP muttered something about 'your white blood 
>> cell count is too high'...
>>
>> ...Last year my more conscientious lady GP packed me off to 
>> haematology to find out why, and they diagnosed a very slow rare 
>> leukemia. In a very early stage. Well it's been like that for ten 
>> years or more and hasn't gotten much worse...
>>
>>
> 
> 
> Right now they're making more money with you than save money killing you 
> with something. Something sugar packed and gooey your Mom raised you 
> with, or cutting the bullshit and placing the ventilator on your face 
> and stopping the flow of air after you pass out by injected med, you 
> know, like what they did with Relf.
> 
> Your people treat you like you Nazis treated them :)
> 

Oh dear. I think your med levels need uprating slightly

-- 
"A point of view can be a dangerous luxury when substituted for insight 
and understanding".

Marshall McLuhan

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#65530

On Fri, 14 Feb 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 14/02/2025 08:45, D wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> On Fri, 14 Feb 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> 
>>> On 14/02/2025 00:24, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>>> Please, guys, if you're over 50, get a PSA test.
>>> Every time I have a test they come up with yet another incurable 
>>> condition.
>>> 
>>> If I were a gambling man, I'd take bets on which one is going to kill me 
>>> first
>>> 
>>> And yet, I seem to be still here...
>> 
>> You are a tough cookie! =)
>
> Maybe. Or maybe it is simple chance. The thing is once you are on the NHS 
> radar for anything they start looking at you and when they do that, they find 
> stuff.
>
> Sometime around 2012 my GP muttered something about 'your white blood cell 
> count is too high'...
>
> ...Last year my more conscientious lady GP packed me off to haematology to 
> find out why, and they diagnosed a very slow rare leukemia. In a very early 
> stage. Well it's been like that for ten years or more and hasn't gotten much 
> worse...

Maybe that is, like in a classic simpsons episode, what keeps all other 
deseases at bay? ;)

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#65545

On 14/02/2025 21:50, D wrote:
> 
> 
> On Fri, 14 Feb 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> 
>> On 14/02/2025 08:45, D wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, 14 Feb 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 14/02/2025 00:24, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>>>> Please, guys, if you're over 50, get a PSA test.
>>>> Every time I have a test they come up with yet another incurable 
>>>> condition.
>>>>
>>>> If I were a gambling man, I'd take bets on which one is going to 
>>>> kill me first
>>>>
>>>> And yet, I seem to be still here...
>>>
>>> You are a tough cookie! =)
>>
>> Maybe. Or maybe it is simple chance. The thing is once you are on the 
>> NHS radar for anything they start looking at you and when they do 
>> that, they find stuff.
>>
>> Sometime around 2012 my GP muttered something about 'your white blood 
>> cell count is too high'...
>>
>> ...Last year my more conscientious lady GP packed me off to 
>> haematology to find out why, and they diagnosed a very slow rare 
>> leukemia. In a very early stage. Well it's been like that for ten 
>> years or more and hasn't gotten much worse...
> 
> Maybe that is, like in a classic simpsons episode, what keeps all other 
> deseases at bay? ;)

Well it isn't doing a very good job then.


-- 
    "Fanaticism consists in redoubling your effort when you have 
forgotten your aim."

  George Santayana

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