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| Started by | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| First post | 2026-01-14 21:54 +0000 |
| Last post | 2026-01-24 21:36 +0000 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 200 — 26 participants |
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“7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-14 21:54 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-14 17:07 -0500
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-15 08:38 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-15 12:25 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-15 21:10 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-16 13:47 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-15 07:15 -0500
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-15 18:47 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-01-16 11:04 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-16 13:48 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-16 18:37 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-16 22:37 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-17 10:04 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-17 14:28 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-17 15:06 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-17 22:59 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-18 11:13 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-18 12:47 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-18 21:09 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-01-18 21:15 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-18 23:12 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-01-18 19:52 -0800
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-19 00:43 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-19 09:54 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-19 11:15 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-19 14:21 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-19 20:51 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-19 22:48 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-19 08:33 -0800
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-19 20:52 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-19 13:00 -0800
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-19 20:45 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-20 10:46 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-20 12:03 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-20 14:34 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-20 13:40 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-20 16:14 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-20 20:51 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-21 11:19 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-20 13:50 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-20 14:37 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-20 20:55 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-01-20 08:41 -0800
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-20 19:01 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-20 20:59 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-01-20 12:58 -0800
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” jayjwa <jayjwa@atr2.ath.cx.invalid> - 2026-01-19 13:10 -0500
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-17 10:02 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-16 18:23 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-16 07:43 -0500
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-16 14:51 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-16 18:13 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-14 23:58 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-15 03:14 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-15 00:27 -0500
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-15 18:58 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-15 21:04 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-16 13:39 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-16 21:07 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-16 22:28 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-16 21:33 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-01-17 10:39 +1000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-17 10:53 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-01-19 12:15 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-19 14:24 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-19 15:50 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-19 08:38 -0800
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-20 10:48 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-19 20:41 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-20 10:50 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-01-15 10:39 +0100
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-01-16 07:53 +1000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-01-16 10:57 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-16 20:58 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-01-17 10:25 +1000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-17 11:19 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-16 13:47 +0100
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-01-17 10:37 +1000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-17 10:00 +0100
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-01-18 07:03 +1000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-18 01:03 -0500
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-15 11:46 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-15 12:09 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-01-15 14:13 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-15 13:48 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” jayjwa <jayjwa@atr2.ath.cx.invalid> - 2026-01-15 11:22 -0500
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-15 21:05 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-15 22:35 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-01-17 12:03 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-15 18:58 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-16 08:39 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-01-16 11:06 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-15 07:09 -0500
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-15 18:50 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2026-01-15 06:19 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-15 03:00 -0500
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-16 13:44 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-15 21:14 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-15 23:47 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-16 08:35 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-16 13:48 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-16 14:57 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-16 22:31 +0100
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-01-17 10:52 +1000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-17 03:49 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-17 03:26 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-17 09:57 +0100
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> - 2026-01-17 14:12 +1000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-17 14:25 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-17 13:11 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-17 18:20 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-01-19 11:45 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-19 14:27 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to st op using - and what to use instead” vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2026-01-20 05:04 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to st op using - and what to use instead” Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-01-21 00:35 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-01-21 00:32 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-21 04:16 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-01-21 08:58 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-21 09:58 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” marrgol <marrgol@address.invalid> - 2026-01-21 11:56 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-21 12:14 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-21 12:06 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-21 11:28 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-01-22 07:14 +1000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-21 22:04 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-01-21 13:27 -0800
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-21 22:50 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-22 10:43 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-22 13:17 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-22 21:43 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-22 22:40 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-23 12:33 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-23 14:10 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-21 23:01 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-21 22:50 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@usenet.mail.kapsi.fi> - 2026-01-22 09:56 +0200
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-22 10:51 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-22 09:56 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-01-22 09:35 -0800
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-23 12:35 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-23 11:39 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-23 08:02 -0800
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-23 18:43 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-22 13:25 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2026-01-22 17:47 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-22 10:06 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2026-01-22 11:02 +0100
Re: Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2026-01-23 03:33 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-23 14:14 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-23 16:50 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-23 20:55 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-23 22:39 +0100
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2026-01-23 21:18 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-23 22:45 +0100
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-23 23:33 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" John-Paul Stewart <jpstewart@personalprojects.net> - 2026-01-23 18:51 -0500
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-24 08:49 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-24 14:33 +0100
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-24 11:11 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-24 14:15 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-25 09:44 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-25 10:25 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-25 07:02 -0500
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-25 12:39 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2026-01-28 23:44 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-29 08:49 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-25 15:12 +0100
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-26 10:46 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-26 13:13 +0100
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-27 09:02 +0100
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-27 10:10 +0100
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-27 12:44 +0100
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2026-01-27 10:21 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-27 12:44 +0100
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-26 11:56 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-24 14:30 +0100
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-01-23 21:39 -0800
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-24 14:36 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-21 04:17 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-01-21 09:03 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-21 12:19 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-19 13:42 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-01-21 00:42 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-19 20:38 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-20 10:52 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@usenet.mail.kapsi.fi> - 2026-01-20 13:30 +0200
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-20 20:20 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-01-21 00:55 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-16 16:23 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-01-15 10:41 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-15 11:43 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Jason H <jason_hindle@yahoo.com> - 2026-01-18 21:48 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-01-20 07:11 +1000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" jayjwa <jayjwa@atr2.ath.cx.invalid> - 2026-01-19 23:35 -0500
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-01-19 20:32 +0800
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-19 20:54 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-01-23 18:38 +0800
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-23 20:56 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-01-24 20:05 +0800
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-24 21:36 +0000
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| From | Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> |
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| Date | 2026-01-21 12:19 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <10kqco6$323d4$1@news1.tnib.de> |
| In reply to | #81417 |
Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> wrote: >On 1/21/26 04:17, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >> On Wed, 21 Jan 2026 00:32:29 +0000, Pancho wrote: >> >>> AIUI, modern security advice is to not have an interactive root >>> account, i.e. with a password. >> >> An interactive account doesn’t have to have a password. >> >> Even if you configure a root password, you can configure SSH to >> specifically disallow using it for remote access. > >Yes, which I don't have, and was specifically trying to avoid having in >this instance for rsync. It is probably how most people do it in real life. You can easily set PermitRootLogin forced-commands-only and have a single-use ssh key limited to starting the rsync process with the parameters you need, maybe even restricted to the IP addresses the expected clients come from. With this setting, sshd ignores keys in /root/.ssh/authorized_keys without the "forced-commands" option. The tools to allow sensible and secure systems operation are all there. People just need to be aware, learn about them, use them, and accept to let go of the bad ideas they have become accustomed to. That includes admitting having done things the wrong way for decades, and many people are too much convinced of their own perfection and infallability to do that. Greetings Marc -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marc Haber | " Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header Rhein-Neckar, DE | Beginning of Wisdom " | Nordisch by Nature | Lt. Worf, TNG "Rightful Heir" | Fon: *49 6224 1600402
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-01-19 13:42 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10klccj$c03v$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #81297 |
On 19/01/2026 11:45, Pancho wrote: > On 1/17/26 18:20, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> On 17/01/2026 13:11, Richard Kettlewell wrote: >>> "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> writes: >>>> On 2026-01-16 15:57, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>>>> On 16/01/2026 12:48, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> scp -- wrong. rsync, scp and sftp are all different ways of >>>>>> transferring files securely over SSH. >>>>> Are they? even if you run rsyncd? >>> >>> If you tell it to connect to an rsyncd then indeed it does not use SSH. >>> >>> Personally I have never bothered with rsyncd... >>> >> Ah. I do. None of my data is private that is being stored remotely >> >>>> AFAIK yes, the transfer happens of the ssh port with ssh type of >>>> encryption. That is what the article says, so take it with a pinch of >>>> salt. Variances per distributions. It is true in openSUSE. >>> >>> The zdnet article says nothing about what protocol rsync uses. >>> >> I think it is straight streaming of bytes and that is it. >> Locally i have nfs mounts to move data around. >> >> So I don't really use ssh protocols to copy data at all. >> >> > > I'm currently looking at moving from backing up data on Samba shares, to > ssh/rsync (due to symlink issues). I fell at the first hurdle of how to > have root access on both local and remote host. Eventually I created a > new remote user account with passwordless sudo, specifically for rsync. > The solution seemed a bit crap. It seemed that such a common usecase > should be better documented, like I was missing something. > > Does rsyncd solve this root access problem? Is it a better/more orthodox > solution. > I had to look up what I in fact did.. I have a remote user rsync. With a password. This is place in an env variable in the backup script e,g. RSYNC_PASSWORD=mainly.crap export RSYNC_PASSWORD rsync -Cavxz --delete rsync@remote.host::vp1/etc /backup2/vp1 On the remote host is this $ more /etc/rsyncd.conf [vp1] path=/ Comment = get server uid = root gid = root read only = true use chroot = yes auth users = rsync secrets file = /etc/rsyncd.secrets and in the /etc/rsyncd.secrets file is rsync:mainly.crap rsync is invoked via inet inetd.conf rsync stream tcp nowait root /usr/bin/rsync rsyncd --daemon and /etc/services... rsync 873/tcp rsync 873/udp > I could potentially use nfs, but I do still use Windows occasionally, so > would like access from Windows, I did briefly consider dual shares using > both Samba and nfs. > > I am not sure there is an rsync client for windows. -- If I had all the money I've spent on drink... ..I'd spend it on drink. Sir Henry (at Rawlinson's End)
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| From | Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-01-21 00:42 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10kp7du$1277h$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #81303 |
On 1/19/26 13:42, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 19/01/2026 11:45, Pancho wrote: >> On 1/17/26 18:20, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>> On 17/01/2026 13:11, Richard Kettlewell wrote: >>>> "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> writes: >>>>> On 2026-01-16 15:57, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>>>>> On 16/01/2026 12:48, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> scp -- wrong. rsync, scp and sftp are all different ways of >>>>>>> transferring files securely over SSH. >>>>>> Are they? even if you run rsyncd? >>>> >>>> If you tell it to connect to an rsyncd then indeed it does not use SSH. >>>> >>>> Personally I have never bothered with rsyncd... >>>> >>> Ah. I do. None of my data is private that is being stored remotely >>> >>>>> AFAIK yes, the transfer happens of the ssh port with ssh type of >>>>> encryption. That is what the article says, so take it with a pinch of >>>>> salt. Variances per distributions. It is true in openSUSE. >>>> >>>> The zdnet article says nothing about what protocol rsync uses. >>>> >>> I think it is straight streaming of bytes and that is it. >>> Locally i have nfs mounts to move data around. >>> >>> So I don't really use ssh protocols to copy data at all. >>> >>> >> >> I'm currently looking at moving from backing up data on Samba shares, >> to ssh/rsync (due to symlink issues). I fell at the first hurdle of >> how to have root access on both local and remote host. Eventually I >> created a new remote user account with passwordless sudo, specifically >> for rsync. The solution seemed a bit crap. It seemed that such a >> common usecase should be better documented, like I was missing something. >> >> Does rsyncd solve this root access problem? Is it a better/more >> orthodox solution. >> > I had to look up what I in fact did.. > > I have a remote user rsync. With a password. This is place in an env > variable in the backup script > e,g. > > RSYNC_PASSWORD=mainly.crap > export RSYNC_PASSWORD > rsync -Cavxz --delete rsync@remote.host::vp1/etc /backup2/vp1 > > On the remote host is this > > $ more /etc/rsyncd.conf > [vp1] > path=/ > Comment = get server > uid = root > gid = root > read only = true > use chroot = yes > auth users = rsync > secrets file = /etc/rsyncd.secrets > > and in the /etc/rsyncd.secrets file is > rsync:mainly.crap > > rsync is invoked via inet > inetd.conf > > rsync stream tcp nowait root /usr/bin/rsync rsyncd > --daemon > > and /etc/services... > > rsync 873/tcp > rsync 873/udp > >> I could potentially use nfs, but I do still use Windows occasionally, >> so would like access from Windows, I did briefly consider dual shares >> using both Samba and nfs. >> >> Cool, thanks. I will try this setup. > I am not sure there is an rsync client for windows. > Yeah, I don't need to rsync from windows, just NAS access to disks.
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-01-19 20:38 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10km4p3$lmvq$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #81297 |
On Mon, 19 Jan 2026 11:45:07 +0000, Pancho wrote: > I'm currently looking at moving from backing up data on Samba > shares, to ssh/rsync (due to symlink issues). I fell at the first > hurdle of how to have root access on both local and remote host. With SSH, you can set up trust keys, using the authorized_keys file, so a given account on one machine can accept access from one or more accounts on other machines without needing a password.
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| From | Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> |
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| Date | 2026-01-20 10:52 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <10knj95$2ot3b$1@news1.tnib.de> |
| In reply to | #81310 |
Lawrence D´Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >On Mon, 19 Jan 2026 11:45:07 +0000, Pancho wrote: >> I'm currently looking at moving from backing up data on Samba >> shares, to ssh/rsync (due to symlink issues). I fell at the first >> hurdle of how to have root access on both local and remote host. > >With SSH, you can set up trust keys, using the authorized_keys file, >so a given account on one machine can accept access from one or more >accounts on other machines without needing a password. And you can also leverage the forced-commands option in authorized_keys, the SSH_ORIGINAL_COMMAND environment variable and the "PermitRootLogin forced-commands-only" in /etc/sshd/sshd_config to make those logins even more safe. But alas, that also are all "new" things (introduced a mere 15 years ago) so there will be people refusing to do so because it's so much easier to blanketly allow unrestricted logins for services. Greetings Marc -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marc Haber | " Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header Rhein-Neckar, DE | Beginning of Wisdom " | Nordisch by Nature | Lt. Worf, TNG "Rightful Heir" | Fon: *49 6224 1600402
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| From | Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@usenet.mail.kapsi.fi> |
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| Date | 2026-01-20 13:30 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <sm0ecnkr05v.fsf@lakka.kapsi.fi> |
| In reply to | #81297 |
Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> writes: > I'm currently looking at moving from backing up data on Samba shares, > to ssh/rsync (due to symlink issues). So what's the status there, Samba and symlinks? I rather enjoy symlinks in Windows these days, in msys2. Although they're weirdly restricted, either need admin rights or need to turn on "developer mode" to just create them. > I could potentially use nfs, but I do still use Windows occasionally, > so would like access from Windows, I did briefly consider dual shares > using both Samba and nfs. I've tried the NFS client support in Windows but it didn't impress. It has been a while though, I think it was in the Windows 7 and early Windows 10 times. sshfs has been enough for my needs for Linux fs access from Windows and I do my Windows backups from Linux, mostly.
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-01-20 20:20 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10koo2e$1h56v$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #81340 |
On Tue, 20 Jan 2026 13:30:52 +0200, Anssi Saari wrote: > I rather enjoy symlinks in Windows these days, in msys2. Although > they're weirdly restricted, either need admin rights or need to turn > on "developer mode" to just create them. I think Microsoft only introduced these into Windows with Vista. The *nix world has had them for decades, which means some appreciation at least has built up for the security implications. Linux now has special filesystem API calls to minimize the risk of TOCTOU vulnerabilities; I don’t think Windows does, which is why it continues to restrict access to them.
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| From | Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-01-21 00:55 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10kp868$12887$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #81340 |
On 1/20/26 11:30, Anssi Saari wrote: > Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> writes: > >> I'm currently looking at moving from backing up data on Samba shares, >> to ssh/rsync (due to symlink issues). > > So what's the status there, Samba and symlinks? I rather enjoy symlinks > in Windows these days, in msys2. Although they're weirdly restricted, > either need admin rights or need to turn on "developer mode" to just > create them. My original setup didn't allow them. I tried to backup a Linux disk, and it got into a loop, blowing out a circular symlink folder. So I noted Samba could be setup to handle symlinks, and I set it to do so, but they weren't standard symlinks, they were some kind of simulation of a symlink. A symlink created on a remote disk wasn't the same as a symlink on a local disk. At that point I gave up, because I wanted to use samba for backups and I didn't want to have to consider how it might mangle special files, files I might not even realise were there. > >> I could potentially use nfs, but I do still use Windows occasionally, >> so would like access from Windows, I did briefly consider dual shares >> using both Samba and nfs. > > I've tried the NFS client support in Windows but it didn't impress. It > has been a while though, I think it was in the Windows 7 and early > Windows 10 times. > > sshfs has been enough for my needs for Linux fs access from Windows and > I do my Windows backups from Linux, mostly. As do I, or to be more precise all my Windows backed up data is on a Linux NAS, which I backup on the same NAS host. It was Linux to Linux backups via Samba that was causing me a problem.
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| From | Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-01-16 16:23 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <wwv4iolle6z.fsf@LkoBDZeT.terraraq.uk> |
| In reply to | #81194 |
"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> writes: > Richard Kettlewell wrote: >> Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> writes: >>> On 2026-01-15, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >>>> Eli the Bearded wrote: >>>>> On a foundation of sand. >>>> >>>> I go by the docs. The docs show that scp has been fixed to stop using >>>> the old, deprecated protocol (at least by default). There is no >>>> mention that the command itself is going to be deprecated any time >>>> soon. Therefore, it must be safe to continue using. QED. >>> >>> No, that is not a logical conclusion. >>> >>> It does invalidate what the article claims, but you cannot conclude that >>> it "must be safe". No offense meant to the programmers involved, I >>> merely mean that you cannot prove the absence of vulnerabilities. >> >> I’m not sure what the argument against scp is here or what the >> supposed foundation of sand is. > > The article says it clearly: > > scp -- wrong. rsync, scp and sftp are all different ways of > transferring files securely over SSH. scp did use to use its own > protocol at one point, but it has been upgraded to use the same > underlying protocol as sftp, so it’s perfectly fine to continue using > the same command, if that’s what you’re used to. There is no sign that > the scp command itself is going to be deprecated at any point, though > no doubt the option to fall back to the old protocol for > compatibility’s sake is likely to be removed eventually. That’s Lawrence’s text, arguing in favor of scp. If you mean the original zdnet article, it’s a nonsense, for the reasons Lawrence gives. -- https://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/
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| From | Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> |
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| Date | 2026-01-15 10:41 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <10kacnm$3nav$2@paganini.bofh.team> |
| In reply to | #81125 |
On 14.01.2026 21:54 Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > arp vs ip neighbour/neighbor -- more iproute2. arp command only supports ARP - which is the address resolution protocol for IPv4. For IPv6, the NDP exists and that is only supported by ip -6 neigh. As I started with ip on Linux, I will not try to learn the legacy way. On FreeBSD, they implemented an ndp command, as the don't have the ip command.
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| From | Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-01-15 11:43 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10kajtj$n7l2$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #81125 |
On 2026-01-14, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
> Jack Wallen’s list
> <https://www.zdnet.com/article/linux-commands-deprecated-why-do-not-use/>
> of commands you shouldn’t be using any more, and what to use instead,
> is a mixed bag.
Almost all of it looks like "I looked at what utilities are part of
net-tools and filled several entries separately to say the same thing so
that I could claim a higher count of deprecated commands".
Now I'm not aware of what's the current state of net-tools, but I see
several commits from 2025, and not just translation ones?
https://sourceforge.net/p/net-tools/code/ci/HEAD/log/
So his claims may be getting a bit too far. True, there have been known
limitations in some of the cases, including the IPv4 addresses aspect of
at least the usual ifconfig invocations. But there's a difference
between shortcoming and lack of maintenance.
(Also, how many security vulnerabilities *do* exist for the utilities
mentioned?)
> ifconfig/iwconfig vs ip/iw -- the latter newer ones (part of the Linux
> “iproute2” suite) offer greater access to all the features of the
> Linux network stack than the former, older ones, and so are preferable
> in lots of ways. It is already possible to find setups which don’t
> have the old commands installed by default; I’m not sure if any
> distros have actually dropped the option for installing them
> altogether, but no doubt that will happen at some point.
I faintly remember there being something iwconfig could do that iw
couldn't, but I really don't recall the details anymore...
> scp -- wrong. rsync, scp and sftp are all different ways of
> transferring files securely over SSH. scp did use to use its own
> protocol at one point, but it has been upgraded to use the same
> underlying protocol as sftp, so it’s perfectly fine to continue using
> the same command, if that’s what you’re used to. There is no sign that
> the scp command itself is going to be deprecated at any point, though
> no doubt the option to fall back to the old protocol for
> compatibility’s sake is likely to be removed eventually.
That got me puzzled, and at this point in the article, I'd say this is
bad-quality "journalism", the kind of which just says things without
linking to references, where doing that wouldn't be a problem and would
actually make the article more reliable and usable.
> egrep/fgrep -- it has been true for decades (possibly has always been
> true for the GNU utilities?) that egrep and fgrep are just synonyms
> for “grep -E” and “grep -F” respectively. And it is true that the
> alternative names are finally being deprecated after all these years,
> so it behooves you to learn to use the “grep” command for all forms.
IEEE 1003.1 does have -E and -F, but... if these utilities have been
absorbed by grep, then wouldn't it be expected that those would just be
the same as grep? Or aliases to grep, or wrapper scripts executing grep?
So here he crosses into needless alarmism. And seems to be trying to
fabricate such things to just fill another article :-(
> netstat vs ss -- yes, another case of the newer iproute2-based command
> taking over from the older, traditional command, and offering more
> features besides. Same remarks as above apply.
>
> route vs ip route -- iproute2 again.
>
> arp vs ip neighbour/neighbor -- more iproute2.
Yeah, it's the same single case split across four (?) separate entries
all saying the same.
(Also, while I'm nitpicking this, why put that backlit keyboard photo
there? It has nothing to do with the content.)
--
Nuno Silva
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| From | Jason H <jason_hindle@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2026-01-18 21:48 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10kjkfb$3qa04$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #81125 |
On 14/01/2026 21:54, Lawrence DOliveiro wrote: >Jack Wallen’s list ><https://www.zdnet.com/article/linux-commands-deprecated-why-do-not-use/> >of commands you shouldn’t be using any more, and what to use instead, >is a mixed bag. > >ifconfig/iwconfig vs ip/iw -- the latter newer ones (part of the Linux >“iproute2” suite) offer greater access to all the features of the >Linux network stack than the former, older ones, and so are preferable >in lots of ways. It is already possible to find setups which don’t >have the old commands installed by default; I’m not sure if any >distros have actually dropped the option for installing them >altogether, but no doubt that will happen at some point. > >scp -- wrong. rsync, scp and sftp are all different ways of >transferring files securely over SSH. scp did use to use its own >protocol at one point, but it has been upgraded to use the same >underlying protocol as sftp, so it’s perfectly fine to continue using >the same command, if that’s what you’re used to. There is no sign that >the scp command itself is going to be deprecated at any point, though >no doubt the option to fall back to the old protocol for >compatibility’s sake is likely to be removed eventually. > >egrep/fgrep -- it has been true for decades (possibly has always been >true for the GNU utilities?) that egrep and fgrep are just synonyms >for “grep -E” and “grep -F” respectively. And it is true that the >alternative names are finally being deprecated after all these years, >so it behooves you to learn to use the “grep” command for all forms. > >netstat vs ss -- yes, another case of the newer iproute2-based command >taking over from the older, traditional command, and offering more >features besides. Same remarks as above apply. > >route vs ip route -- iproute2 again. > >arp vs ip neighbour/neighbor -- more iproute2. I discovered ifconfig was depreciated when I asked Google Gemini how I could get it back... Anyway, I prefer the ip command - few less characters to type. -- -- A PICKER OF UNCONSIDERED TRIFLES
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| From | not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) |
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| Date | 2026-01-20 07:11 +1000 |
| Subject | Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" |
| Message-ID | <696e9de8@news.ausics.net> |
| In reply to | #81276 |
Jason H <jason_hindle@yahoo.com> wrote: > I discovered ifconfig was depreciated when I asked Google Gemini how I could > get it back... Anyway, I prefer the ip command - few less characters to > type. Characters to type: ifconfig ip link show ifconfig eth0 up ip link set eth0 up Plus "ifconfig " likely only needs typing "ifc[TAB]". -- __ __ #_ < |\| |< _#
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| From | jayjwa <jayjwa@atr2.ath.cx.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-01-19 23:35 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" |
| Message-ID | <87fr80nbom.fsf@atr2.ath.cx> |
| In reply to | #81317 |
not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) writes:
> Characters to type:
>
> ifconfig
> ip link show
ip l
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| From | "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-01-19 20:32 +0800 |
| Message-ID | <10kl88q$atqm$1@toylet.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #81125 |
On 15/1/2026 5:54 am, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > Jack Wallen’s list > <https://www.zdnet.com/article/linux-commands-deprecated-why-do-not-use/> > of commands you shouldn’t be using any more, and what to use instead, > is a mixed bag. > > ifconfig/iwconfig vs ip/iw -- the latter newer ones (part of the Linux > .... > scp -- wrong. rsync, scp and sftp are all different ways of > ... > egrep/fgrep -- it has been true for decades (possibly has always been > .... > netstat vs ss -- yes, another case of the newer iproute2-based command > .... > route vs ip route -- iproute2 again. > > arp vs ip neighbour/neighbor -- more iproute2. It's just a change of syntax. The new syntax is doing the exact same thing as the old one. Does this mean deprecation? I dunno.... :) -- @~@ Simplicity is Beauty! Remain silent! Drink, Blink, Stretch! / v \ May the Force and farces be with you! Live long and prosper!! /( _ )\ https://sites.google.com/site/changmw/ ^ ^ https://github.com/changmw/changmw
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-01-19 20:54 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10km5mg$lmvq$9@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #81298 |
On Mon, 19 Jan 2026 20:32:25 +0800, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote: > It's just a change of syntax. Plus a bunch of new functionality, too. Think of the reason for change of syntax is keeping things more regular with the accumulation of new concepts.
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| From | "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-01-23 18:38 +0800 |
| Message-ID | <10kvj29$3qcmb$1@toylet.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #81315 |
On 20/1/2026 4:54 am, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > On Mon, 19 Jan 2026 20:32:25 +0800, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote: > >> It's just a change of syntax. > > Plus a bunch of new functionality, too. > > Think of the reason for change of syntax is keeping things more > regular with the accumulation of new concepts. Only for the new generation? :) Changing syntax and names can also hide secrets, and break history. Kind of like creating a Dark Age by burning books and killing scholars. -- @~@ Simplicity is Beauty! Remain silent! Drink, Blink, Stretch! / v \ May the Force and farces be with you! Live long and prosper!! /( _ )\ https://sites.google.com/site/changmw/ ^ ^ https://github.com/changmw/changmw
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-01-23 20:56 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10l0na1$899k$5@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #81532 |
On Fri, 23 Jan 2026 18:38:02 +0800, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote: > Changing syntax and names can also hide secrets, and break history. > Kind of like creating a Dark Age by burning books and killing > scholars. That doesn’t work in the age of version control.
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| From | "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-01-24 20:05 +0800 |
| Message-ID | <10l2cil$p96c$1@toylet.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #81563 |
On 24/1/2026 4:56 am, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > On Fri, 23 Jan 2026 18:38:02 +0800, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote: > >> Changing syntax and names can also hide secrets, and break history. >> Kind of like creating a Dark Age by burning books and killing >> scholars. > > That doesn’t work in the age of version control. Until there is a sudden unexplained disk crash? :) -- @~@ Simplicity is Beauty! Remain silent! Drink, Blink, Stretch! / v \ May the Force and farces be with you! Live long and prosper!! /( _ )\ https://sites.google.com/site/changmw/ ^ ^ https://github.com/changmw/changmw
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-01-24 21:36 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10l3e19$14s9m$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #81592 |
On Sat, 24 Jan 2026 20:05:42 +0800, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote: > On 24/1/2026 4:56 am, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >> >> On Fri, 23 Jan 2026 18:38:02 +0800, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote: >> >>> Changing syntax and names can also hide secrets, and break >>> history. Kind of like creating a Dark Age by burning books and >>> killing scholars. >> >> That doesn’t work in the age of version control. > > Until there is a sudden unexplained disk crash? :) It would take more than one ...
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