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The boring Linux habit that saves machines

Started byTheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null>
First post2026-05-30 22:28 +0000
Last post2026-06-07 01:33 -0400
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  The boring Linux habit that saves machines TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-05-30 22:28 +0000
    Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-30 23:51 -0400
      Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-05-31 04:23 +0000
        Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-31 02:26 -0400
          Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-05-31 06:41 +0000
            Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-31 03:37 -0400
              Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-05-31 07:46 +0000
                Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-06 08:55 +0000
                  Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-06 12:07 +0200
                    Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-06-06 10:14 +0000
                      Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-06 13:06 +0200
                        Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-06-06 11:12 +0000
                          Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-07 02:45 +0000
                      Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-07 05:13 -0400
                    Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-06 18:30 +0000
                      Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-06 20:49 +0200
                  Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-07 02:00 -0400
            Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-06 09:07 +0000
              Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-07 02:11 -0400
            Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-06 09:10 +0000
              Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-07 02:15 -0400
        Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@usenet.mail.kapsi.fi> - 2026-06-01 12:20 +0300
          Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-06-01 09:38 +0000
            Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-02 02:20 -0400
              Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-06-02 11:08 +0000
                Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-02 23:58 -0400
                  Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-06-04 11:47 +0000
                    Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-04 11:57 -0400
                      Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-06-05 12:53 +0000
                        Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-05 17:35 +0100
                          Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-06-05 16:42 +0000
                          Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-06 00:06 -0400
                            Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-06 10:35 +0100
                              Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-07 03:35 -0400
                                Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-07 13:39 +0100
                                Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-07 14:41 +0100
                                  Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-08 00:04 -0400
                                    Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-08 09:34 +0100
                                      Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-08 18:08 +0000
                                        Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-08 21:24 +0100
                                        Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-09 01:46 +0000
                                          Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-09 03:09 -0400
                                            Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-09 11:17 +0100
                                              Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-10 01:33 -0400
                                                Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-10 11:53 +0100
                                                  Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-10 18:52 +0200
                                                    Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-10 21:47 +0100
                                                      Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-11 02:58 +0000
                                                        Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-11 01:36 -0400
                                                          Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-11 11:46 +0100
                                                            Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-11 17:15 +0000
                                                        Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-11 07:52 +0100
                                                          Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-11 11:52 +0100
                                                            Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-06-11 18:47 +0200
                                                              Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-12 12:00 +0100
                                                            Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-11 16:59 +0000
                                                              Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-12 12:02 +0100
                                                                Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-12 18:21 +0000
                                                          Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-11 16:55 +0000
                                                      Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-11 01:16 -0400
                                                        Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-11 06:28 +0000
                                                          Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-11 11:42 +0100
                                                            Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-11 16:41 +0000
                                                        Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-11 11:40 +0100
                                                          Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-11 17:35 +0000
                                                            [OT] TINA applied to political opponents (was: Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-12 09:35 +0100
                                                              Re: [OT] TINA applied to political opponents The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-12 12:07 +0100
                                                                Re: [OT] TINA applied to political opponents Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-12 14:18 +0000
                                                                  Re: [OT] TINA applied to political opponents The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-12 16:46 +0100
                                                                    Re: [OT] TINA applied to political opponents rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-12 19:02 +0000
                                                          Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-12 02:52 -0400
                                                            Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-12 12:20 +0100
                                                              Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-12 18:16 +0000
                                                    [OT] Percetion of the USA abroad (was: Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-11 09:06 +0100
                                                      Re: [OT] Percetion of the USA abroad The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-11 12:03 +0100
                                                        Re: [OT] Percetion of the USA abroad rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-11 17:44 +0000
                                                          Re: [OT] Percetion of the USA abroad "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-11 21:18 +0200
                                                          Re: [OT] Percetion of the USA abroad The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-12 12:12 +0100
                                                      Re: [OT] Percetion of the USA abroad (was: Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-11 17:40 +0000
                                                        Re: [OT] Percetion of the USA abroad The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-12 12:07 +0100
                                                          Re: [OT] Percetion of the USA abroad rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-12 19:17 +0000
                                                Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-10 19:22 +0000
                                                  Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-10 21:48 +0100
                                                  Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-11 00:57 -0400
                                                    Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-11 06:27 +0000
                                            Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-09 18:28 +0000
                                        Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-09 02:54 -0400
                                      Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-09 01:27 -0400
                                        Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-09 10:57 +0200
                                Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-06-07 08:00 -0700
                                  Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-07 16:35 +0100
                                  Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-07 23:48 +0000
                                    Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-08 00:53 +0100
                                    Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-08 08:26 +0100
                                      Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-08 23:06 -0400
                                  Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-08 00:11 -0400
                                  Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-09 17:42 +0000
                            Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-06 10:39 +0100
                              Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-07 03:44 -0400
                        Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-05 23:55 -0400
                          Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-06-06 09:40 +0000
                            Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-07 02:47 +0000
                              Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-07 13:58 +0200
                                Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-07 20:40 +0000
                                  Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-07 23:39 +0000
                                  Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-07 23:00 -0400
                                    Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-08 04:36 +0000
                                      Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-08 02:30 -0400
                                        Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-08 09:19 +0100
                                          Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-08 23:53 -0400
                                        Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-08 14:23 +0000
                                          Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-09 02:28 -0400
                                            Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-09 18:24 +0000
                                              Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-10 02:40 -0400
                                                Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-10 19:17 +0000
                                                  Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-11 00:56 -0400
                                                    Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-11 06:24 +0000
                                        Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-08 18:08 +0000
                                          Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-08 22:42 +0200
                                          Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-09 00:45 +0000
                                          Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-09 01:44 +0000
                                            Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-09 03:08 -0400
                                              Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-09 11:07 +0200
                                                Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-10 01:03 -0400
                                                  Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-10 10:43 +0200
                                                    Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-10 10:52 +0200
                                                    Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-11 00:33 -0400
                                                      Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-11 06:03 +0000
                                                        Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-11 02:42 -0400
                                                          Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-11 17:26 +0000
                                                      Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-11 11:31 +0200
                                                        Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-12 02:37 -0400
                                                          Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-12 18:13 +0000
                                            Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-09 18:31 +0000
                                              Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-10 03:16 -0400
                                      Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-08 09:54 +0100
                                        Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Eric Pozharski <apple.universe@posteo.net> - 2026-06-08 21:46 +0000
                                          Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-09 04:50 +0000
                                            Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-09 03:16 -0400
                                            Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-09 08:49 +0100
                                        Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-09 01:48 -0400
                                          Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-09 11:11 +0200
                                            Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-10 01:32 -0400
                                              Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-06-10 05:38 +0000
                                              Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-10 10:49 +0200
                                              Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-10 11:08 +0000
                                                Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-11 00:31 +0000
                                                  Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-11 03:31 +0000
                                                    Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-11 04:36 +0000
                                                      Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-11 08:37 +0100
                                                        Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-11 19:02 +0000
                                          Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-09 18:31 +0000
                                            Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-10 02:54 -0400
                                    Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-08 14:12 +0000
                                      Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-08 18:08 +0000
                                        Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-09 01:30 +0000
                                          Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-09 11:15 +0200
                                          Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-09 18:31 +0000
                              Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-07 14:30 +0100
                                Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-07 23:38 -0400
                                  Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-08 09:22 +0100
                                    Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-09 00:28 -0400
                            Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-07 04:03 -0400
                  Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-06 18:42 +0000
                Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-06 08:53 +0000
                  Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-07 01:53 -0400
            Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-06 08:52 +0000
              Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-07 01:41 -0400
        Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-06 06:41 +0000
          Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-06 03:07 -0400
            Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-06 13:28 +0200
            Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-06 19:16 +0000
              Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-07 05:18 -0400
                Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-07 18:59 +0000
          Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-06-06 09:40 +0000
            Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-07 02:51 +0000
            Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-07 04:56 -0400
    Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-05-31 16:43 +0800
      Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-05-31 08:48 +0000
      Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-05-31 10:16 +0000
        Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-05-31 10:22 +0000
    Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-06 06:38 +0000
      Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-06 03:04 -0400
        Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-06 13:32 +0200
          Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-06-06 11:34 +0000
            Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-06 14:01 +0200
              Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-06-09 20:29 +0000
                Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-09 22:52 +0200
                Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-10 04:36 -0400
                  Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-06-10 08:48 +0000
      Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-06 09:17 +0100
        Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-06-06 09:40 +0000
          Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-07 02:57 +0000
            Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-07 16:11 +0100
            Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-06-09 20:30 +0000
              Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-10 00:19 +0000
                Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-06-10 00:22 +0000
          Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-07 04:18 -0400
        Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-07 01:33 -0400

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#87720

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2026-06-09 01:48 -0400
Message-ID<I_qcncNV2ZW4NLr3nZ2dnZfqn_WdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#87692
On 6/8/26 04:54, Nuno Silva wrote:
> On 2026-06-08, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> 
>> On 2026-06-08, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
>>
>>> By the time 8+3 became 12+3 became 128/256/1024 then naming
>>> constraints disappeared. Alas, esp M$, they TOTALLY disappeared.
>>
>> Ah yes, good old MICROS~1..
> 
> I eagerly anticipate the day Microsoft is ordered to split up following
> some antitrust ruling, if only because then one could propose the
> split-up parts be named MICROS~1,MICROS~2,...,MICROS~N.


   Bill Gates quickly LEARNED - to GREASE your
   political reps. All his 'trust' problems then
   instantly disappeared.

   That's how realpolitik works ... Machiavelli
   would totally understand.

   As for what's become "normal" for M$ ... that's
   been a very long evolution/devolution. Everybody
   WANTED long file names, then REALLY long file names,
   so they GOT it for better or worse.

   Now for us that have to COPE with that mess ... well ....

   As said somewhere ... a number of workers just took to
   copy/paste the first sentence - including 'invisible'
   chars - from their word processor docs as the file name.
   Too many of THEM, too few of ME ... had to just COPE.

   Oh well, "job security" I guess.

   The New Guys can't program their way out of a wet
   paper bag ... so they just use/pay-for the wunnerful
   M$ "solutions" and think that's a-OK. Can't really
   trash them too much, that's Just How It's Done
   these days. My gen was bits and bytes, theirs is
   a different world (that WILL bite 'em bad eventually).

   But they'll just blame it all on M$ ... butts saved.
   That's how it works now.

   Kinda tragic .......

   WHEN Vlad/Xi/Kim and friends really GO for it ...
   global DOOM.

   They'll try to recruit us Old Guys but, well, just
   TOO Old now ...... I'll "advise" a bit, for $500
   an hour  :-)

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#87736

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2026-06-09 11:11 +0200
Message-ID<mv1lfmxelh.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#87720
On 2026-06-09 07:48, c186282 wrote:
>    As said somewhere ... a number of workers just took to
>    copy/paste the first sentence - including 'invisible'
>    chars - from their word processor docs as the file name.
>    Too many of THEM, too few of ME ... had to just COPE.

I seem to recall Libre Office or Open Office doing that automatically, 
as a suggestion. No special chars.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#87777

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2026-06-10 01:32 -0400
Message-ID<1OKdnWDXId1La7X3nZ2dnZfqn_GdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#87736
On 6/9/26 05:11, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2026-06-09 07:48, c186282 wrote:
>>    As said somewhere ... a number of workers just took to
>>    copy/paste the first sentence - including 'invisible'
>>    chars - from their word processor docs as the file name.
>>    Too many of THEM, too few of ME ... had to just COPE.
> 
> I seem to recall Libre Office or Open Office doing that automatically, 
> as a suggestion. No special chars.

   Hmm ... was using LibreOffice Writer just today - TRYING
   to coerce it into doing proper mailing envelopes.

   Limited success - and the docs were confusing.

   However it didn't offer to use the first sentence as
   the file name.

   Writer knew what a #10 envelope is, my printer knows
   what a #10 envelope is - but ........ had to do really
   ridiculous tweaks to the template just to get the
   addressee lines up into the right place. I think it
   chose some OTHER kind of envelope by default even if
   you TOLD it #10.

   Wanted super-nice/clear address for the US Govt
   Internal Revenue people. Never got good marks for
   penmanship in school and that's never improved :-)

   Bought a 'label machine' - found a mystery PPD file.
   Haven't dared trying it yet. Not factory supported.
   Nobody loves Linux !  :-(

   And I *won't* install Winderz. Last one I kind-of
   liked was Win2K. Don't think that'll even run on
   modern hardware. Dealing with Win at work was just
   torture - so much depth and breadth of complication
   just to accomplish something kinda stupid.

   DO have a Win-1.x install as a VM somewhere !
   Also have the BYTE mag with a REVIEW of it :-)
   Clue, better stuff for the C64/128 at the time ...

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#87779

FromTheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null>
Date2026-06-10 05:38 +0000
Message-ID<4aee94ddda8d241b3ca5@dev.null>
In reply to#87777
>On Wed, 10 Jun 2026 01:32:36 -0400, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
>On 6/9/26 05:11, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> On 2026-06-09 07:48, c186282 wrote:
>>>    As said somewhere ... a number of workers just took to
>>>    copy/paste the first sentence - including 'invisible'
>>>    chars - from their word processor docs as the file name.
>>>    Too many of THEM, too few of ME ... had to just COPE.
>>
>> I seem to recall Libre Office or Open Office doing that automatically,
>> as a suggestion. No special chars.
>
>   Hmm ... was using LibreOffice Writer just today - TRYING
>   to coerce it into doing proper mailing envelopes.
>
>   Limited success - and the docs were confusing.
>
>   However it didn't offer to use the first sentence as
>   the file name.
>
>   Writer knew what a #10 envelope is, my printer knows
>   what a #10 envelope is - but ........ had to do really
>   ridiculous tweaks to the template just to get the
>   addressee lines up into the right place. I think it
>   chose some OTHER kind of envelope by default even if
>   you TOLD it #10.
>
>   Wanted super-nice/clear address for the US Govt
>   Internal Revenue people. Never got good marks for
>   penmanship in school and that's never improved :-)
>
>   Bought a 'label machine' - found a mystery PPD file.
>   Haven't dared trying it yet. Not factory supported.
>   Nobody loves Linux !  :-(
>
>   And I *won't* install Winderz. Last one I kind-of
>   liked was Win2K. Don't think that'll even run on
>   modern hardware. Dealing with Win at work was just
>   torture - so much depth and breadth of complication
>   just to accomplish something kinda stupid.
>
>   DO have a Win-1.x install as a VM somewhere !
>   Also have the BYTE mag with a REVIEW of it :-)
>   Clue, better stuff for the C64/128 at the time ...

For Writer envelopes I would avoid the wizard once it starts being clever. Make
a small Writer document with the page style set to the real envelope size, then
position the address block explicitly with margins/paragraph spacing.  Save that
as a template and print one or two sacrificial envelopes or plain sheets held
over an envelope to check alignment.

For the label printer, a safe first step is to inspect the PPD before letting
CUPS use it.  It is just text, so look for the *NickName, *ModelName, and
PageSize entries and make sure they look like your printer/label stock.  Then
add it as a separate test queue in CUPS rather than replacing a working printer.
Print a CUPS test page or a tiny text label first, not the important letter.

Also check whether the printer speaks driverless IPP/AirPrint or a common
language such as ZPL/EPL/ESC/POS.  Some label machines work better through that
route than through an old vendor PPD.

-- 
TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null>
"I survived the great rm -rf / rehearsal and all I got was this .signature."

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#87797

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2026-06-10 10:49 +0200
Message-ID<j1lnfmx239.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#87777
On 2026-06-10 07:32, c186282 wrote:
> On 6/9/26 05:11, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> On 2026-06-09 07:48, c186282 wrote:
>>>    As said somewhere ... a number of workers just took to
>>>    copy/paste the first sentence - including 'invisible'
>>>    chars - from their word processor docs as the file name.
>>>    Too many of THEM, too few of ME ... had to just COPE.
>>
>> I seem to recall Libre Office or Open Office doing that automatically, 
>> as a suggestion. No special chars.

Years ago, not now. I forgot to say.

> 
>    Hmm ... was using LibreOffice Writer just today - TRYING
>    to coerce it into doing proper mailing envelopes.
> 
>    Limited success - and the docs were confusing.
> 
>    However it didn't offer to use the first sentence as
>    the file name.
> 
>    Writer knew what a #10 envelope is, my printer knows
>    what a #10 envelope is - but ........ had to do really
>    ridiculous tweaks to the template just to get the
>    addressee lines up into the right place. I think it
>    chose some OTHER kind of envelope by default even if
>    you TOLD it #10.

Printing envelopes is an art.

I did manage to print envelopes, but from one time to the next I forgot 
the tricks. And I always fear the envelope will jam in my laserjet.

So what I do is, I use envelopes with a transparent window, and a first 
page for the letter that matches that hole.



> 
>    Wanted super-nice/clear address for the US Govt
>    Internal Revenue people. Never got good marks for
>    penmanship in school and that's never improved :-)
> 
>    Bought a 'label machine' - found a mystery PPD file.
>    Haven't dared trying it yet. Not factory supported.
>    Nobody loves Linux !  :-(
> 
>    And I *won't* install Winderz. Last one I kind-of
>    liked was Win2K. Don't think that'll even run on
>    modern hardware. Dealing with Win at work was just
>    torture - so much depth and breadth of complication
>    just to accomplish something kinda stupid.
> 
>    DO have a Win-1.x install as a VM somewhere !
>    Also have the BYTE mag with a REVIEW of it :-)
>    Clue, better stuff for the C64/128 at the time ...
> 

:-)

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#87806

FromCharlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
Date2026-06-10 11:08 +0000
Message-ID<1BbWR.178518$DvK9.106109@fx48.iad>
In reply to#87777
On 2026-06-10, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:

>    And I *won't* install Winderz. Last one I kind-of
>    liked was Win2K. Don't think that'll even run on
>    modern hardware. Dealing with Win at work was just
>    torture - so much depth and breadth of complication
>    just to accomplish something kinda stupid.

IMHO Windows' usability peaked somewhere between 2K and XP
and has been going downhill ever since.  In my job I have
to write stuff that runs under Windows (I prefer to say
it runs _despite_ it), but I just do back-end stuff (file
handling, TCP/IP, etc.), not fancy GUI stuff.  So I get
by just fine using XP under VirtualBox on a Linux machine.

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  No artificial
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  intelligence was
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  used in the creation
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |  of this post.

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#87825

FromLawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2026-06-11 00:31 +0000
Message-ID<110cvkl$13kte$9@dont-email.me>
In reply to#87806
On Wed, 10 Jun 2026 11:08:45 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

> In my job I have to write stuff that runs under Windows (I prefer to
> say it runs _despite_ it), but I just do back-end stuff (file
> handling, TCP/IP, etc.), not fancy GUI stuff. So I get by just fine
> using XP under VirtualBox on a Linux machine.

Why not make WSL2 a requirement? Then you can deliver your code
running natively on Linux.

Microsoft seems to be edging that way -- all its AI stuff is heavily
Linux-dependent, at least on the development side for now, but I
figure it’s only a matter of time before that spreads to the
deployment side as well.

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#87830

FromCharlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
Date2026-06-11 03:31 +0000
Message-ID<UZpWR.114885$Hs3.36357@fx35.iad>
In reply to#87825
On 2026-06-11, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

> On Wed, 10 Jun 2026 11:08:45 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>
>> In my job I have to write stuff that runs under Windows (I prefer to
>> say it runs _despite_ it), but I just do back-end stuff (file
>> handling, TCP/IP, etc.), not fancy GUI stuff. So I get by just fine
>> using XP under VirtualBox on a Linux machine.
>
> Why not make WSL2 a requirement? Then you can deliver your code
> running natively on Linux.

Our customers are bigger than we are, so we can't tell them
to go pound sand if they don't like what we have to offer.
Our native Windows development systems are in place - we
might as well keep using them.

Some of our customers are running Linux, and we have
a native Linux version for them.

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  No artificial
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  intelligence was
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  used in the creation
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |  of this post.

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#87832

FromLawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2026-06-11 04:36 +0000
Message-ID<110de04$17a50$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#87830
On Thu, 11 Jun 2026 03:31:00 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

> Our customers are bigger than we are, so we can't tell them to go
> pound sand if they don't like what we have to offer.

Sounds like your vendor-lock-in is not as strong as it should be ...
I thought *all* proprietary software vendors had figured that out ...

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#87851

FromNuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-06-11 08:37 +0100
Message-ID<110doka$19h5s$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#87832
On 2026-06-11, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:

> On Thu, 11 Jun 2026 03:31:00 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>
>> Our customers are bigger than we are, so we can't tell them to go
>> pound sand if they don't like what we have to offer.
>
> Sounds like your vendor-lock-in is not as strong as it should be ...
> I thought *all* proprietary software vendors had figured that out ...

In order for vendor lock-in to be usable, you have to have a big share
of the market in place already, at least a near-monopoly. Microsoft can
pull this in some customer segments, but your average software vendor
can't.

(Besides being likely illegal in a lot of places, of course.)

-- 
Nuno Silva

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#87873

FromCharlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
Date2026-06-11 19:02 +0000
Message-ID<hDDWR.203165$Grwb.187447@fx13.iad>
In reply to#87851
On 2026-06-11, Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> On 2026-06-11, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 11 Jun 2026 03:31:00 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>
>>> Our customers are bigger than we are, so we can't tell them to go
>>> pound sand if they don't like what we have to offer.
>>
>> Sounds like your vendor-lock-in is not as strong as it should be ...
>> I thought *all* proprietary software vendors had figured that out ...
>
> In order for vendor lock-in to be usable, you have to have a big share
> of the market in place already, at least a near-monopoly. Microsoft can
> pull this in some customer segments, but your average software vendor
> can't.
>
> (Besides being likely illegal in a lot of places, of course.)

Also, we decided not to roll that way.  We're a small outfit,
and happy to stay there in our niche.  We're too laid back
to lose ourselves in empire-building exercises.

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  No artificial
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  intelligence was
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  used in the creation
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |  of this post.

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#87746

FromCharlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
Date2026-06-09 18:31 +0000
Message-ID<d_YVR.65222$GKib.42422@fx12.iad>
In reply to#87720
On 2026-06-09, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:

>    The New Guys can't program their way out of a wet
>    paper bag ... so they just use/pay-for the wunnerful
>    M$ "solutions" and think that's a-OK. Can't really
>    trash them too much, that's Just How It's Done
>    these days. My gen was bits and bytes, theirs is
>    a different world (that WILL bite 'em bad eventually).
>
>    But they'll just blame it all on M$ ... butts saved.
>    That's how it works now.

And then M$ will offer a new "solution" which they'll
eagerly adopt.  Lather, rinse, repeat...

>    Kinda tragic .......

Yup.

>    WHEN Vlad/Xi/Kim and friends really GO for it ...
>    global DOOM.

Don't forget friends like Elon/Mark/Tim...

>    They'll try to recruit us Old Guys but, well, just
>    TOO Old now ...... I'll "advise" a bit, for $500
>    an hour  :-)

There you go, job security again.  :-)

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  No artificial
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  intelligence was
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  used in the creation
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |  of this post.

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#87783

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2026-06-10 02:54 -0400
Message-ID<1OKdnZ_WId1mlLT3nZ2dnZfqn_GdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#87746
On 6/9/26 14:31, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On 2026-06-09, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
> 
>>     The New Guys can't program their way out of a wet
>>     paper bag ... so they just use/pay-for the wunnerful
>>     M$ "solutions" and think that's a-OK. Can't really
>>     trash them too much, that's Just How It's Done
>>     these days. My gen was bits and bytes, theirs is
>>     a different world (that WILL bite 'em bad eventually).
>>
>>     But they'll just blame it all on M$ ... butts saved.
>>     That's how it works now.
> 
> And then M$ will offer a new "solution" which they'll
> eagerly adopt.  Lather, rinse, repeat...


   HehHehHeh ... YEP !!! :-)

   Just WAITING for Vlad/Xi/Kim to finally go after
   the M$ "cloud". They might be able to hide the
   attack as some sort of 'internal malfunction'.
   That would ruin LOTS of US businesses, all at
   a keypress.

   The best attack, corrupt all the backups too
   over a one or two year span. Nothing left and
   nothing to rebuild on.

   Xi probably has the Big Shiny Red Button on
   his desk ........

>>     Kinda tragic .......
> 
> Yup.

   Nothing to do about it.

   The Mistake will eventually be realized - after
   it's Too Late .......

   The "Blame Someone Else" meme is STRONG these
   days alas. Over-rides all common sense, all
   professionalism.

>>     WHEN Vlad/Xi/Kim and friends really GO for it ...
>>     global DOOM.
> 
> Don't forget friends like Elon/Mark/Tim...

   Everybody is contributing.

   And then "AI"-based ... even more, and more interesting,
   paths to Total Doom.

   Hmm ... grand-daddy started as a blacksmith ... MAY
   be back to that.

   (Wound up in the mines after alas, didn't live too
   long - NO safety filters and such way back then -
   silicosis + black lung ....)

>>     They'll try to recruit us Old Guys but, well, just
>>     TOO Old now ...... I'll "advise" a bit, for $500
>>     an hour  :-)
> 
> There you go, job security again.  :-)

   Hey !  :-)

   Wouldn't MIND suddenly becoming "valuable" again
   in my 90s.

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#87694

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-06-08 14:12 +0000
Message-ID<n8o0u2FqrflU7@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#87673
On Sun, 7 Jun 2026 23:00:22 -0400, c186282 wrote:

>    Long nasty narrative filenames with lots of punctuation became our
>    norm and nobody would stop doing it. A 'human nature' issue alas.

Like many human activities a happy balance is rare. We had one programmer 
who thought anything beyond 3 characters was a waste. After a while you 
learned 'ary' was going to be an array of something. otoh my dislike for 
Gtk was in part from the excessively long snake case function names. 

I started reading a Python book I got in a humble bundle. It's the third 
edition and in the preface the author says he prefers camel case and used 
it in the previous edition but decided to use snake case to demonstrate 
the true Pythonista style.

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#87699

FromCharlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
Date2026-06-08 18:08 +0000
Message-ID<dyDVR.24697$Mm3.14474@fx33.iad>
In reply to#87694
On 2026-06-08, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

> On Sun, 7 Jun 2026 23:00:22 -0400, c186282 wrote:
>
>>    Long nasty narrative filenames with lots of punctuation became our
>>    norm and nobody would stop doing it. A 'human nature' issue alas.
>
> Like many human activities a happy balance is rare. We had one programmer 
> who thought anything beyond 3 characters was a waste. After a while you 
> learned 'ary' was going to be an array of something. otoh my dislike for 
> Gtk was in part from the excessively long snake case function names. 
>
> I started reading a Python book I got in a humble bundle. It's the third 
> edition and in the preface the author says he prefers camel case and used 
> it in the previous edition but decided to use snake case to demonstrate 
> the true Pythonista style.

OK, I bite.  What's snake case, and how does it differ from camel case?

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  No artificial
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  intelligence was
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  used in the creation
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#87706

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-06-09 01:30 +0000
Message-ID<n8p8kqF8q2vU4@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#87699
On Mon, 08 Jun 2026 18:08:09 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

> On 2026-06-08, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> 
>> On Sun, 7 Jun 2026 23:00:22 -0400, c186282 wrote:
>>
>>>    Long nasty narrative filenames with lots of punctuation became our
>>>    norm and nobody would stop doing it. A 'human nature' issue alas.
>>
>> Like many human activities a happy balance is rare. We had one
>> programmer who thought anything beyond 3 characters was a waste. After
>> a while you learned 'ary' was going to be an array of something. otoh
>> my dislike for Gtk was in part from the excessively long snake case
>> function names.
>>
>> I started reading a Python book I got in a humble bundle. It's the
>> third edition and in the preface the author says he prefers camel case
>> and used it in the previous edition but decided to use snake case to
>> demonstrate the true Pythonista style.
> 
> OK, I bite.  What's snake case, and how does it differ from camel case?

camelCase   snake_case.

https://peps.python.org/pep-0008/#naming-conventions

"Function names should be lowercase, with words separated by underscores 
as necessary to improve readability.

Variable names follow the same convention as function names.

mixedCase is allowed only in contexts where that’s already the prevailing 
style (e.g. threading.py), to retain backwards compatibility."


It's the last paragraph that's the kicker. PySide6 and PyQt6 are Python 
bindings for the Qt libraries, which use camel case like

self.setCentralWidget(central_widget)

Supposedly you can add

from __feature__ import snake_case, true_property

and use self.set_central_widget(). It works some of the time. I'm not 
enough of a Python purist to wonder if it works for this particular 
function so I stick to camel case. Besides I prefer it but in Rome... Much 
of the legacy code I worked on was snake case so if I was modifying it I 
would stick to the style of the original.

What I do take exception to is Hungarian notation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_notation

Microsoft should have sent Simonyi back to Hungary in a box. Note: I've 
liked the Hungarians I've worked with but not this particular one. 

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#87735

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2026-06-09 11:15 +0200
Message-ID<m52lfmxelh.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#87706
On 2026-06-09 03:30, rbowman wrote:
> On Mon, 08 Jun 2026 18:08:09 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> 
>> On 2026-06-08, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:


> What I do take exception to is Hungarian notation.
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_notation
> 
> Microsoft should have sent Simonyi back to Hungary in a box. Note: I've
> liked the Hungarians I've worked with but not this particular one.

Some Borland Pascal used this. Some of my programs did as well.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#87747

FromCharlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
Date2026-06-09 18:31 +0000
Message-ID<e_YVR.65224$GKib.23066@fx12.iad>
In reply to#87706
On 2026-06-09, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 08 Jun 2026 18:08:09 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>
>> OK, I bite.  What's snake case, and how does it differ from camel case?
>
> camelCase   snake_case.

Got it, thanks.

> What I do take exception to is Hungarian notation.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_notation
>
> Microsoft should have sent Simonyi back to Hungary in a box. Note: I've 
> liked the Hungarians I've worked with but not this particular one. 

Hear, hear.

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#87649

FromRichard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-06-07 14:30 +0100
Message-ID<wwvtsrelbq5.fsf@LkoBDZeT.terraraq.uk>
In reply to#87621
Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> writes:
> On Sat, 06 Jun 2026 09:40:20 GMT, TheLastSysop wrote:

>> Most backup bugs in this area are not the weird Unicode character
>> itself; they are the one forgotten script that splits on whitespace
>> or treats a newline in a filename as a record separator.
>
> I must admit, I could probably live with forbidding newlines in
> file/directory names. Why not reserve one little character, just to
> make life that little bit easier for shell script writers? ;)

Shell script writers are welcome to choose a less deranged language...

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#87676

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2026-06-07 23:38 -0400
Message-ID<InGdndngSovlpLv3nZ2dnZfqn_qdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#87649
On 6/7/26 09:30, Richard Kettlewell wrote:
> Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> writes:
>> On Sat, 06 Jun 2026 09:40:20 GMT, TheLastSysop wrote:
> 
>>> Most backup bugs in this area are not the weird Unicode character
>>> itself; they are the one forgotten script that splits on whitespace
>>> or treats a newline in a filename as a record separator.
>>
>> I must admit, I could probably live with forbidding newlines in
>> file/directory names. Why not reserve one little character, just to
>> make life that little bit easier for shell script writers? ;)
> 
> Shell script writers are welcome to choose a less deranged language...

   Oooh ! Nasty !  :-)

   Not that I totally disagree.

   They kept expanding shells to do more and more
   odd things - and the syntax became bizarre and
   not even REMOTELY "self documenting".

   Shell scripts DO still have a useful place - IF
   you keep 'em simple.

   Anything beyond that, script in Python.

   For fun some years back I wrote a Bash version
   that largely emulated what my Python and Pascal
   server backup programs did. It worked. However
   despite most units being more or less self-repeating
   you just couldn't READ the damned thing. Comments
   didn't help much. One tiny change needed and it
   was "WHAT ? WHERE THE FUCK ? HOW THE FUCK ? WHAT'S
   *THAT* MEAN ? YOU NEED *TWO* SPACES AFTER ???"

   On the plus, never saw the keyword "lambda" in a
   Bash script !  :-)

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