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GNOME/Freedesktop Incompetent Assholes Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2024-10-07 21:56 +0000
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop Incompetent Assholes Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-10-07 18:33 -0400
Larry's incompetence (was: Re: GNOME/Freedesktop Incompetent Assholes) vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2024-10-08 03:01 +0000
Re: Larry's incompetence (was: Re: GNOME/Freedesktop Incompetent Assholes) candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-10-08 19:40 +0000
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence tom <tom@invalid.tld> - 2024-10-08 18:54 -0500
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2024-10-09 10:51 +0000
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-10-09 13:07 +0000
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-10-09 16:23 -0400
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-10-10 11:08 +0200
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-10 18:54 +0000
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence Phillip Frabott <nntp@fulltermprivacy.com> - 2024-10-10 16:10 -0400
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-10 22:13 +0000
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence Phillip Frabott <nntp@fulltermprivacy.com> - 2024-10-12 12:46 -0400
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-12 22:57 +0200
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence Phillip Frabott <nntp@fulltermprivacy.com> - 2024-10-12 20:48 -0400
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-13 11:56 +0200
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence Phillip Frabott <nntp@fulltermprivacy.com> - 2024-10-13 09:56 -0400
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-13 22:34 +0200
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence Phillip Frabott <nntp@fulltermprivacy.com> - 2024-10-13 18:41 -0400
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2024-10-13 23:47 +0000
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence Phillip Frabott <nntp@fulltermprivacy.com> - 2024-10-14 00:50 -0400
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-14 11:45 +0200
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-14 11:46 +0100
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-14 14:47 +0200
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-14 18:27 +0100
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-14 21:56 +0200
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-14 22:33 +0000
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-15 00:10 +0100
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-15 10:19 +0200
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-15 13:20 +0100
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-15 22:21 +0200
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-14 13:55 +0000
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence Phillip Frabott <nntp@fulltermprivacy.com> - 2024-10-14 13:13 -0400
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-14 18:42 +0100
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-14 18:39 +0100
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-14 21:57 +0200
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-15 00:11 +0100
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-15 10:12 +0200
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-14 21:29 +0000
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-15 00:12 +0100
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-15 02:01 +0000
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-15 10:09 +0200
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-15 12:26 +0100
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-15 22:24 +0200
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-16 02:57 +0000
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-16 10:22 +0200
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-10-16 07:34 -0400
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-16 19:51 +0100
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2024-10-15 13:06 +0100
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-15 14:39 +0100
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-15 18:17 +0100
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-15 20:21 +0100
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-15 19:30 +0000
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-14 21:48 +0200
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-14 23:49 +0100
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-15 10:10 +0200
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-15 12:46 +0100
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-15 22:24 +0200
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-16 02:29 -0400
Political Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2024-10-14 13:00 +0000
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-14 11:35 +0100
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-14 11:37 +0200
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-13 22:58 +0000
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-14 11:41 +0200
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence Juancho <eternal@notreally.com> - 2024-11-01 18:11 +0100
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2024-10-11 07:38 +1000
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-10-11 08:28 +0200
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2024-10-12 07:57 +1000
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-11 10:53 +0200
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-11 18:36 +0000
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-11 22:00 +0200
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence Phillip Frabott <nntp@fulltermprivacy.com> - 2024-10-12 12:40 -0400
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence Phillip Frabott <nntp@fulltermprivacy.com> - 2024-10-12 12:43 -0400
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-12 22:55 +0200
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-13 00:40 +0000
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-13 11:50 +0200
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-13 13:04 +0100
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-13 18:39 +0000
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence Harold Stevens <wookie@aspen.localdomain> - 2024-10-13 13:56 -0500
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-13 18:24 +0000
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-13 22:38 +0200
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence Phillip Frabott <nntp@fulltermprivacy.com> - 2024-10-12 20:56 -0400
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-13 11:59 +0200
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-13 13:23 +0100
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-13 18:27 +0000
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-13 22:39 +0200
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-14 11:21 +0100
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence Phillip Frabott <nntp@fulltermprivacy.com> - 2024-10-13 10:06 -0400
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-13 22:37 +0200
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence Phillip Frabott <nntp@fulltermprivacy.com> - 2024-10-13 18:51 -0400
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-13 13:06 +0100
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2024-10-09 14:43 +0000
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-10-09 18:10 +0000
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-10-09 16:27 -0400
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-10-10 18:10 +0000
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-10-14 11:35 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence |
| Message-ID | <veis5a$156pd$7@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #59370 |
On 14/10/2024 00:47, Lars Poulsen wrote: > The only borderline Nazi team in this election is the Trumpist party, > which has all but promised that if they win, they are going to prosecuter > their opponents, and "if you elect me, you will never have to vote > again", where as Kamala Harris a[ppears to be a typical center-right > Democrat. Sadly, I fear that what is happening everywhere in the West has happened in the USA. The two 'parties' are to use Galloway's inimitable analogy 'two cheeks of the same arse' The issues, the agendas, are all predecided. And sadly the agendas are all Left wing woke moralistic issues. Full of oughts and shoulds (or should nots) , Not a single cost benefit calculation in any of them. Policies based on flimsy ideologies rammed home with wall to wall propaganda. Trump is just a fast tracked totalitarian kleptocrat, whereas the democrats are cooking democracy more slowly. Building their nice little cosy oligarchy of rich men and rich corporate slave owners, None of them give a tuppeny fuck for the ordinary joe. Mechanisation means you don't need him any more. I hope trump loses because he will gift Ukraine to Putin if he does not, and Putin will spend the next 5 years working out how to get back the Baltic countries, and they don't deserve that. We are actually in the middle of a global struggle for dominance of world orders. Basically which bunch of cunts are going to ensalve us, bleed us dry and tell us what to think . None of them are to be trusted. They are in collusion anyway. -- He who follows the herd will only see assholes
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| From | D <nospam@example.net> |
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| Date | 2024-10-14 11:37 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence |
| Message-ID | <4d288925-a61b-56fd-5c87-25a804bb5b7c@example.net> |
| In reply to | #59365 |
On Sun, 13 Oct 2024, Phillip Frabott wrote: >> france it is illegal for them to give away their software since it risks >> outcompeting the local competition. But I have not checked this, so >> caveat emptor. >> > > I haven't done a lot of looking into this, but I have heard the same. I > seriously doubt Microsoft will actually comply with this though. Teams and > Office are their bread and butter and if they were to do it, it would be at a > higher price tag more likely. Either Microsoft will pay France off at some > point or they will threaten to pull out of France. If France uses Office and > Teams in important sectors they will likely cave. It'll be interesting to > look into this over the next 6 months and see what happens. I think this has existed for quite a while, and nothing has happened, so I think that probably you are right here. The law exists, ready to be used, but they realize they cannot push too hard. >>>> There is of course a down side to all of this, and that is that the EU is >>>> regulating it's tech sector out of existence, so all skilled >>>> technologists, in time, will become employed by non-EU companies, since >>>> there will be no point in starting a tech company in europe, only to be >>>> at risk of high fines for the slightest mistake. >>>> >>> >>> In my opinion we are starting to see that transition here in the US as >>> well. They are starting with the large corporations (which I think they >>> already have taken over) but will eventually move to the medium/ small >>> businesses over time. I hope it doesn't happen because then it's just evil >>> running all of us. But we'll have to see over then next couple elections >>> what happens. >> >> Really?! This was news to me. Usually I read in european pro-business >> papers, that in the US all is well, and the EU is flushed down the >> drain, so it was very interesting to hear. On the other hand, lawfare >> and regulatory capture is a US national sport, so perhaps the driving >> force behind that are the big corporations in order to stop any >> competition from developing. >> > > Heh, The government controls the news and most of the media here. > (specifically the democratic party). Facebook, Google, and Microsoft all do > the Government's bidding and the only reason why Twitter stopped being a > Government puppet is because Elon purchased it and kicked the Government out > (government has been going after Elon ever since). I should note that our > Government power is in Democrat hands right now. Democrats will deny this is > happening but you can do the research and look into things beyond the surface > and you can find the truth of it. This election between Kamala and Trump will > decide the fate of the US. If Kamala wins the Government will shift to either > a Nationalist Socialist country or a Communist Socialist country depending on > certain other factors. If Trump wins we will remain a Republic Capitalist > country. Despite what the media says, word on the ground is Trump is winning > hearts and minds and personally I think that's good for our country. We'll > see what happens in the next few weeks. (Our elections are Nov 5th) I agree with you analysis. Also note that Trump winning will be the absoultely best outcome for europe in the long term. If the (social) democrats win, they will continue to pay for europes security problems and wars, so europe will never learn to take responsibility for its own security and neighboring crazy countries. If Trump wins, a clear message will be sent that its time for europe to shape up, since the US will no longer pay for everything. Contrary to popular belief, that will actually create a safer and more stable world, than the EU constantly leaning on the US. >> I wonder where the next wave of tech startups will come from? Perhaps >> Milei will manage to drain the swamp in Argentina, and Argentina will >> become the innovation power house of the planet? Talk about something >> unexpected, if that were to happen! >> >>>> In my opinion, the EU will become a museum where rich tourists from the >>>> rest of the world will go to experience food and culture. There will of >>>> course be a tail of tech jobs in heavy industry, but all innovation will >>>> leave the EU if its current socialist and pro- regulation agenda >>>> continues for long. >>> >>> I fear this is coming to the US as well. "We the people" need to vote out >>> the politicians that are supporting this cause. But the issue is the >>> younger generations seem to want this to happen. Sadly I don't think they >>> realize how bad this is going to be for us over here but they won't >>> realize it until it's too late I'm afraid. >> >> Sad to hear it. And is it still the case that neither US party has any >> intention of actually lowering the debt of the country? If not, I would >> imagine that it eventually will reach a level at which the credit rating >> agencies cannot ignore it any longer, and that day will certainly send >> shock waves throughout the global economy! =/ > > Despite what the media says Trump is our better bet in this regard. The issue > is, because of democrat spending over the last 2 decades (they have held > office 12 out of the 20 years) it would take at least 2-3 republican > presidential terms to stop the bleed and break even. probably another 2 terms > to start lowering the debt. There is just so much waste happening that the > best Trump can do in 4 years (assuming he gets into the office again, fingers > crossed) is slow down the spending. It will take another republican president > 2 more terms (8 years) to get all the rest of the waste out of our government > budget to get to 0/0 each year. It would also cost us a lot of social > services that go to people who really don't need them. Don't get my wrong, > there are legitimate cases and I believe we should take care of our people > but in my opinion, we spend 30% of those services on people who actually need > it and 70% on people who don't. I mean, I could get on social services right > now if I wanted to and get $660 a month for free and continue working my job. > And there is absolutely nothing wrong with me (and I do very well for myself > financially so if someone like me can get $660 a month you know money is > being wasted). If we get rid of that 70% junk spending then we'd probably cut > a large portion of our spending down. > > Sorry, got off topic there.. Very interesting! Usually you read in europe that all is doom and gloom and that the US will collapse. I'm happy to hear that there is light in the tunnel as long as the republicans win. As for democrats winning, I really do fear for the future of the US. It seems like they will completely obliterate the working classes and consolidate wealth in the political class and their sycophants.
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-10-13 22:58 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence |
| Message-ID | <ngYOO.62488$Enpe.36844@fx38.iad> |
| In reply to | #59361 |
On 2024-10-13, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
> On Sun, 13 Oct 2024, Phillip Frabott wrote:
>
>>> In terms of how much MS there is in the infra, you are 100% right. There
>>> are small initiatives here and there, for instance, München switched to
>>> libreoffice, but usually what happens, is that Microsoft bribes the
>>> politicians with promises of an R&D center employing X 100 or 1000 people
>>> if they change back, and of course they do, since they are politicians and
>>> not open source enthusiasts.
Except, perhaps, for Venezuela. I haven't heard much news lately about
how their open-source mandate was going - is it still in effect?
>> Yeah I mean, MS would never "allow" it to happen. Until politicians are
>> willing to lose money, MS will continue to feed governments money to keep
>> them solidly on MS products. Which again, is where I can say that any
>> 'speeding ticket' case that would be against MS will be quickly dismissed.
>
> I think france judged that MS has to unbundle teams from Office, and in
> france it is illegal for them to give away their software since it risks
> outcompeting the local competition. But I have not checked this, so
> caveat emptor.
I once got my hands on a copy of Window XP N - the N stands for "No
Internet Explorer", which was a European mandate.
<snip>
>>> In my opinion, the EU will become a museum where rich tourists from the
>>> rest of the world will go to experience food and culture. There will of
>>> course be a tail of tech jobs in heavy industry, but all innovation will
>>> leave the EU if its current socialist and pro-regulation agenda continues
>>> for long.
>>
>> I fear this is coming to the US as well. "We the people" need to vote out
>> the politicians that are supporting this cause.
Who will they vote in? These days voting is like trying to decide
whether you want to be shot or stabbed.
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
-- The Who
>> But the issue is the younger
>> generations seem to want this to happen. Sadly I don't think they realize
>> how bad this is going to be for us over here but they won't realize it
>> until it's too late I'm afraid.
It is sad - it's like watching drug addicts slip away.
> Sad to hear it. And is it still the case that neither US party has any
> intention of actually lowering the debt of the country? If not, I would
> imagine that it eventually will reach a level at which the credit rating
> agencies cannot ignore it any longer, and that day will certainly send
> shock waves throughout the global economy! =/
I wonder whether national debt is even seen the same way as personal
debt. It certainly doesn't seem that way. If we as individuals ran
our finances the way governments run theirs, we'd be thrown in jail.
--
/~\ Charlie Gibbs | We'll go down in history as the
\ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | first society that wouldn't save
X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | itself because it wasn't cost-
/ \ if you read it the right way. | effective. -- Kurt Vonnegut
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| From | D <nospam@example.net> |
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| Date | 2024-10-14 11:41 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence |
| Message-ID | <b7568d33-70f1-dd78-9ea2-c5c62beb6c46@example.net> |
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On Sun, 13 Oct 2024, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On 2024-10-13, D <nospam@example.net> wrote: > >> On Sun, 13 Oct 2024, Phillip Frabott wrote: >> >>>> In terms of how much MS there is in the infra, you are 100% right. There >>>> are small initiatives here and there, for instance, München switched to >>>> libreoffice, but usually what happens, is that Microsoft bribes the >>>> politicians with promises of an R&D center employing X 100 or 1000 people >>>> if they change back, and of course they do, since they are politicians and >>>> not open source enthusiasts. > > Except, perhaps, for Venezuela. I haven't heard much news lately about > how their open-source mandate was going - is it still in effect? Venezuela is by now a failed state run by criminals, so I think they probably don't even follow their own rules. >>> Yeah I mean, MS would never "allow" it to happen. Until politicians are >>> willing to lose money, MS will continue to feed governments money to keep >>> them solidly on MS products. Which again, is where I can say that any >>> 'speeding ticket' case that would be against MS will be quickly dismissed. >> >> I think france judged that MS has to unbundle teams from Office, and in >> france it is illegal for them to give away their software since it risks >> outcompeting the local competition. But I have not checked this, so >> caveat emptor. > > I once got my hands on a copy of Window XP N - the N stands for "No > Internet Explorer", which was a European mandate. > > <snip> Fascinating! Never seen such a thing in europe. On the other hand, I've run linux 100% the past 2 decades and I only work with linux and the associated eco-system so fortunately I do not get exposed to windows that often. My main source of filth is teams and chrome. >>>> In my opinion, the EU will become a museum where rich tourists from the >>>> rest of the world will go to experience food and culture. There will of >>>> course be a tail of tech jobs in heavy industry, but all innovation will >>>> leave the EU if its current socialist and pro-regulation agenda continues >>>> for long. >>> >>> I fear this is coming to the US as well. "We the people" need to vote out >>> the politicians that are supporting this cause. > > Who will they vote in? These days voting is like trying to decide > whether you want to be shot or stabbed. > > Meet the new boss, same as the old boss. > -- The Who > >>> But the issue is the younger >>> generations seem to want this to happen. Sadly I don't think they realize >>> how bad this is going to be for us over here but they won't realize it >>> until it's too late I'm afraid. > > It is sad - it's like watching drug addicts slip away. > >> Sad to hear it. And is it still the case that neither US party has any >> intention of actually lowering the debt of the country? If not, I would >> imagine that it eventually will reach a level at which the credit rating >> agencies cannot ignore it any longer, and that day will certainly send >> shock waves throughout the global economy! =/ > > I wonder whether national debt is even seen the same way as personal > debt. It certainly doesn't seem that way. If we as individuals ran > our finances the way governments run theirs, we'd be thrown in jail. This is the biggest mistake in monetary policy in our times. The economy of the state should be run _exactly_ as the individual economy. If that was the case, we'd have much more stable markets, and happier long term prospects.
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| From | Juancho <eternal@notreally.com> |
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| Date | 2024-11-01 18:11 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence |
| Message-ID | <nnefvk-ei9.ln1@intheattic.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #59328 |
On 2024-10-12, D <nospam@example.net> wrote: > > Fortunately at least this practice is illegal in the EU, so there they > cannot do this. That practice may be illegal in the EU, but that only means there they cannot say that they are doing this.
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| From | not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) |
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| Date | 2024-10-11 07:38 +1000 |
| Subject | Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence |
| Message-ID | <6708495f@news.ausics.net> |
| In reply to | #59272 |
Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> wrote: > Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote: >>In comp.os.linux.misc Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> wrote: >>> But RedHat, and its lackey Poettering, >> >>You should note that the lackey Poettering is now employed by his >>original handler when he was employed by RedHat: Microsoft. >> >>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lennart_Poettering >> >> Lennart Poettering (born 15 October 1980) is a German software >> engineer working for Microsoft ... > > Microsoft is putting an awful lot of money into Linux. I consider that > a good thing. I would prefer a free OS funded by lots of organisations putting a little money in, rather than relying on a few companies that invest a lot and whose individual opinions therefore matter. But beggers can't be choosers (although I can still choose old versions of Linux, like I'm using now, for some things). -- __ __ #_ < |\| |< _#
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| From | Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> |
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| Date | 2024-10-11 08:28 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence |
| Message-ID | <veagie$r541$1@news1.tnib.de> |
| In reply to | #59290 |
not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) wrote: >I would prefer a free OS funded by lots of organisations putting a >little money in, rather than relying on a few companies that invest >a lot and whose individual opinions therefore matter. But beggers >can't be choosers (although I can still choose old versions of >Linux, like I'm using now, for some things). So you're doing your own security? Or do you just not care about being vulnerable? Greetings Marc -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marc Haber | " Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header Rhein-Neckar, DE | Beginning of Wisdom " | Nordisch by Nature | Lt. Worf, TNG "Rightful Heir" | Fon: *49 6224 1600402
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| From | not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) |
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| Date | 2024-10-12 07:57 +1000 |
| Subject | Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence |
| Message-ID | <67099f2f@news.ausics.net> |
| In reply to | #59297 |
Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> wrote: > not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) wrote: >>I would prefer a free OS funded by lots of organisations putting a >>little money in, rather than relying on a few companies that invest >>a lot and whose individual opinions therefore matter. But beggers >>can't be choosers (although I can still choose old versions of >>Linux, like I'm using now, for some things). > > So you're doing your own security? Or do you just not care about being > vulnerable? I run a firewall that blocks inbound connections from the internet, and I don't run JS-supporting web browsers on them so no random JS hacking about at old browser vulnerabilities. If you wanted to take that approach for an internet server then "doing your own security" would be a more meaningful commitment, although the CIP supported kernels are a good starting point. -- __ __ #_ < |\| |< _#
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| From | D <nospam@example.net> |
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| Date | 2024-10-11 10:53 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence |
| Message-ID | <a66a3914-6c11-0ffb-f390-bb54cb5134e6@example.net> |
| In reply to | #59290 |
On Thu, 11 Oct 2024, Computer Nerd Kev wrote: > Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> wrote: >> Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote: >>> In comp.os.linux.misc Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> wrote: >>>> But RedHat, and its lackey Poettering, >>> >>> You should note that the lackey Poettering is now employed by his >>> original handler when he was employed by RedHat: Microsoft. >>> >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lennart_Poettering >>> >>> Lennart Poettering (born 15 October 1980) is a German software >>> engineer working for Microsoft ... >> >> Microsoft is putting an awful lot of money into Linux. I consider that >> a good thing. > > I would prefer a free OS funded by lots of organisations putting a > little money in, rather than relying on a few companies that invest > a lot and whose individual opinions therefore matter. But beggers > can't be choosers (although I can still choose old versions of > Linux, like I'm using now, for some things). > Microsoft funding something they don't own, usually boils down to: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish .
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2024-10-11 18:36 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence |
| Message-ID | <lmt9i1Fuaa4U3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #59298 |
On Fri, 11 Oct 2024 10:53:58 +0200, D wrote: > Microsoft funding something they don't own, usually boils down to: > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish . In fairness Microsoft follows the same path for things they do own. Silverlight anyone?
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| From | D <nospam@example.net> |
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| Date | 2024-10-11 22:00 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence |
| Message-ID | <6c009b44-849a-7bd6-3323-4520bf047559@example.net> |
| In reply to | #59307 |
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On Fri, 11 Oct 2024, rbowman wrote: > On Fri, 11 Oct 2024 10:53:58 +0200, D wrote: > >> Microsoft funding something they don't own, usually boils down to: >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish . > > In fairness Microsoft follows the same path for things they do own. > Silverlight anyone? > Touché!
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| From | Phillip Frabott <nntp@fulltermprivacy.com> |
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| Date | 2024-10-12 12:40 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence |
| Message-ID | <vee8qp$7vmp$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #59307 |
On 10/11/2024 14:36, rbowman wrote: > On Fri, 11 Oct 2024 10:53:58 +0200, D wrote: > >> Microsoft funding something they don't own, usually boils down to: >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish . > > In fairness Microsoft follows the same path for things they do own. > Silverlight anyone? > I always looked at Silverlight as a temporary technology until HTML5 was implemented. Microsoft did say that Silverlight was always a limited run technology when people started asking about where Silverlight would fit into the HTML5 era. So I don't think it was as much EEE as it was, just something to keep people busy until HTML5. -- Phillip Frabott ---------- - Adam: Is a void really a void if it returns? - Jack: No, it's just nullspace at that point. ----------
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| From | Phillip Frabott <nntp@fulltermprivacy.com> |
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| Date | 2024-10-12 12:43 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence |
| Message-ID | <vee8uq$7vmp$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #59298 |
On 10/11/2024 04:53, D wrote: > > > On Thu, 11 Oct 2024, Computer Nerd Kev wrote: > >> Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> wrote: >>> Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote: >>>> In comp.os.linux.misc Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> wrote: >>>>> But RedHat, and its lackey Poettering, >>>> >>>> You should note that the lackey Poettering is now employed by his >>>> original handler when he was employed by RedHat: Microsoft. >>>> >>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lennart_Poettering >>>> >>>> Lennart Poettering (born 15 October 1980) is a German software >>>> engineer working for Microsoft ... >>> >>> Microsoft is putting an awful lot of money into Linux. I consider that >>> a good thing. >> >> I would prefer a free OS funded by lots of organisations putting a >> little money in, rather than relying on a few companies that invest >> a lot and whose individual opinions therefore matter. But beggers >> can't be choosers (although I can still choose old versions of >> Linux, like I'm using now, for some things). >> > > Microsoft funding something they don't own, usually boils down to: > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish . I bothers me how many Linux users want these large corps money in the game. It's dangerous in my opinion because these companies don't have their users best interests at heart at all. And for Microsoft it's all EEE anyways so Microsoft's Money in Linux is very bad news. (yes, pun intended for those who got it). -- Phillip Frabott ---------- - Adam: Is a void really a void if it returns? - Jack: No, it's just nullspace at that point. ----------
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| From | D <nospam@example.net> |
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| Date | 2024-10-12 22:55 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence |
| Message-ID | <a954b84c-ed72-4a87-fd0a-a59023bb7fc9@example.net> |
| In reply to | #59324 |
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On Sat, 12 Oct 2024, Phillip Frabott wrote: > On 10/11/2024 04:53, D wrote: >> >> >> On Thu, 11 Oct 2024, Computer Nerd Kev wrote: >> >>> Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> wrote: >>>> Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote: >>>>> In comp.os.linux.misc Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> wrote: >>>>>> But RedHat, and its lackey Poettering, >>>>> >>>>> You should note that the lackey Poettering is now employed by his >>>>> original handler when he was employed by RedHat: Microsoft. >>>>> >>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lennart_Poettering >>>>> >>>>> Lennart Poettering (born 15 October 1980) is a German software >>>>> engineer working for Microsoft ... >>>> >>>> Microsoft is putting an awful lot of money into Linux. I consider that >>>> a good thing. >>> >>> I would prefer a free OS funded by lots of organisations putting a >>> little money in, rather than relying on a few companies that invest >>> a lot and whose individual opinions therefore matter. But beggers >>> can't be choosers (although I can still choose old versions of >>> Linux, like I'm using now, for some things). >>> >> >> Microsoft funding something they don't own, usually boils down to: >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish . > > I bothers me how many Linux users want these large corps money in the game. > It's dangerous in my opinion because these companies don't have their users > best interests at heart at all. And for Microsoft it's all EEE anyways so > Microsoft's Money in Linux is very bad news. (yes, pun intended for those who > got it). I agree completely. That's why linux is becoming less good and more political. I've had dealings with the linux foundation, and it was all corporate CV stuffing and corporate bullsh*t. But, another factor I think, is the age and size of the project. It is ossifying. Innovation is slowing down. I often wonder if the community oriented people will turn to BSD, or if there will be a new kind of "big bang" that will generate something new, that will take off with lightning speed?
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2024-10-13 00:40 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence |
| Message-ID | <ln0j8rFeuqtU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #59327 |
On Sat, 12 Oct 2024 22:55:37 +0200, D wrote: > I often wonder if the community oriented people will turn to BSD, or if > there will be a new kind of "big bang" that will generate something new, > that will take off with lightning speed? https://thenewstack.io/open-source-needs-younger-maintainers-how-can-it- get-them/ I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for the next big bang for operating systems. For that matter Linux and *BSD have been more like a 50 year slow burn than any sort of bang if you consider Unix to be the progenitor.
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| From | D <nospam@example.net> |
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| Date | 2024-10-13 11:50 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence |
| Message-ID | <7e5a688b-d740-b8e0-c067-ec7b7f3b85bf@example.net> |
| In reply to | #59331 |
On Sun, 13 Oct 2024, rbowman wrote: > On Sat, 12 Oct 2024 22:55:37 +0200, D wrote: > >> I often wonder if the community oriented people will turn to BSD, or if >> there will be a new kind of "big bang" that will generate something new, >> that will take off with lightning speed? > > https://thenewstack.io/open-source-needs-younger-maintainers-how-can-it- > get-them/ > > I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for the next big bang for operating > systems. For that matter Linux and *BSD have been more like a 50 year slow > burn than any sort of bang if you consider Unix to be the progenitor. > I would argue linux was a big bang. As for open source maintainers, this is good! There is of course no responsibility, and I think perhaps companies will learn what they are basing their products on, in case a maintainer disappears. If there's a need, a way will be found. But looking at the developers I meet today, the vast majority are javascript and python ninjas. The ones I know who do C, rust and are generally brilliant are: 1. Few. 2. Older. I agree that if that is part of a trend, many open source projects will slowly die over the years, and as you say, the chance of a new OS from scratch is perhaps also lower. But there is this Ladybug browser, with the associated OS, can that be something?
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-10-13 13:04 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence |
| Message-ID | <vegcvg$lobb$6@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #59338 |
On 13/10/2024 10:50, D wrote: > > > On Sun, 13 Oct 2024, rbowman wrote: > >> On Sat, 12 Oct 2024 22:55:37 +0200, D wrote: >> >>> I often wonder if the community oriented people will turn to BSD, or if >>> there will be a new kind of "big bang" that will generate something new, >>> that will take off with lightning speed? >> >> https://thenewstack.io/open-source-needs-younger-maintainers-how-can-it- >> get-them/ >> >> I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for the next big bang for operating >> systems. For that matter Linux and *BSD have been more like a 50 year >> slow >> burn than any sort of bang if you consider Unix to be the progenitor. >> > > I would argue linux was a big bang. I wouldn't. We'd been using Unix for years for bigger iron than a single user PC. It was pretty well organised in every area except its commercial existence. Too much Lawfare. As soon as a Lawfare free Linux and BSD came out, people who had used Unix grabbed it an carried on the worlds Big Iron fed up with being sued decided that not owning Linux was a fair price to pay for no one else owning it either. As for open source maintainers, this > is good! There is of course no responsibility, and I think perhaps > companies will learn what they are basing their products on, in case a > maintainer disappears. > > If there's a need, a way will be found. > > But looking at the developers I meet today, the vast majority are > javascript and python ninjas. Java as well, but plenty of C++ ers around. > > The ones I know who do C, rust and are generally brilliant are: > > 1. Few. > 2. Older. > > I agree that if that is part of a trend, many open source projects will > slowly die over the years, and as you say, the chance of a new OS from > scratch is perhaps also lower. > Writing a new limited scope OS is not that hard (at least for younger programmers) on something like a Pi Pico or Arduino. The problem with linux is that it comes with all options available, and being able to run 10,000 users or web sessions is not relevant to a PI Zero running a domestic heating controller. Most people accept this and throw in enough RAM to run the standard kernel and dont try to modify it in anyway. The game is not worth the candle. I have a domestic heating contraller with a potential performance equal to a VAX 11/70? so what? It only cost $20 > But there is this Ladybug browser, with the associated OS, can that be > something? -- No Apple devices were knowingly used in the preparation of this post.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2024-10-13 18:39 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence |
| Message-ID | <ln2ie6Fo4ibU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #59343 |
On Sun, 13 Oct 2024 13:04:00 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > I wouldn't. We'd been using Unix for years for bigger iron than a single > user PC. It was pretty well organised in every area except its > commercial existence. > Too much Lawfare. Unix had a rocky history going back the the Bell anti-trust suit and it didn't get better as time went on. At least in the Boston area a lot of PDP-11s were running Unix systems of dubious ancestry.
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| From | Harold Stevens <wookie@aspen.localdomain> |
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| Date | 2024-10-13 13:56 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence |
| Message-ID | <slrnvgo5u4.111dk.wookie@aspen.localdomain> |
| In reply to | #59357 |
In <ln2ie6Fo4ibU2@mid.individual.net> rbowman: > Unix had a rocky history going back the the Bell anti-trust suit and it > didn't get better as time went on It lingered until at least 2021 in the canker SCO+Dog Vs. World: Timeline of SCO–Linux disputes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_SCO%E2%80%93Linux_disputes Why Novell sold Unix rights to SCO--insider's story https://www.zdnet.com/article/why-novell-sold-unix-rights-to-sco-insiders-story/ -- Regards, Weird (Harold Stevens) * IMPORTANT EMAIL INFO FOLLOWS * Pardon any bogus email addresses (wookie) in place for spambots. Really, it's (wyrd) at att, dotted with net. * DO NOT SPAM IT. * I toss GoogleGroup (http://twovoyagers.com/improve-usenet.org/).
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2024-10-13 18:24 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence |
| Message-ID | <ln2hi3Fo4ibU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #59338 |
On Sun, 13 Oct 2024 11:50:39 +0200, D wrote: > But there is this Ladybug browser, with the associated OS, can that be > something? It's more viable than TempleOS or some of the others. https://wiki.osdev.org/Notable_Projects A new OS has to be better than the existing alternatives, not only different. It also needs to inspire the confidence that it will be around for longer than a mayfly. A small scale example is Mbed OS. https://os.mbed.com/blog/entry/Important-Update-on-Mbed/ https://blog.arduino.cc/2019/07/31/why-we-chose-to-build-the-arduino- nano-33-ble-core-on-mbed-os/ The second link is why Arduino chose Mbed for the Nano 33 BLE Sense. It made perfect sense in 2019. Arduino wasn't the only one to use Mbed. Now they are scrambling to move to Zephyr OS. https://blog.arduino.cc/2024/07/24/the-end-of-mbed-marks-a-new-beginning- for-arduino/ Compared to a general purpose OS like Linux or BSD, an embedded RTOS is samll potatoes but for something like Firefox for example to develop for a new OS there has to be the confidence it isn't going to die. That applies to many projects other than OSs where you're dependent on a third party.
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