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| Started by | SugarBug <3883@sugar.bug> |
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| First post | 2024-07-03 17:05 -0500 |
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NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder SugarBug <3883@sugar.bug> - 2024-07-03 17:05 -0500
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder RabidPedagog <rabid@pedag.og> - 2024-07-03 19:58 -0400
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-07-04 12:06 +0200
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-04 11:15 +0100
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2024-07-04 10:41 +0000
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-04 12:01 +0100
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2024-07-05 02:10 +0000
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-05 09:54 +0100
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-07-05 12:29 +0200
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-05 12:08 +0100
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-07-05 19:15 +0200
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-05 18:40 +0100
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2024-07-06 03:19 +0000
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-07-06 12:42 +0200
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2024-07-07 00:55 +0000
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-07 11:19 +0100
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-07-07 21:12 +0200
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-07-07 21:32 +0000
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-07-08 11:52 +0200
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-07-07 12:51 +0200
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-07 12:33 +0100
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-07-07 21:23 +0200
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-07-06 17:57 +0000
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2024-07-07 00:48 +0000
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-07 11:11 +0100
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-07 11:10 +0100
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2024-07-07 10:15 +0000
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-07 12:26 +0100
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-07-06 12:31 +0200
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-07-05 20:28 +0000
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2024-07-06 11:00 +1000
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-07-06 12:34 +0200
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2024-07-07 09:33 +1000
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-07 11:18 +0100
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-07-07 17:23 +0000
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-07-07 18:13 +0000
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) - 2024-07-07 20:04 +0100
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-07-08 11:50 +0200
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) - 2024-07-08 18:04 +0100
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-07-08 22:17 +0200
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-09 09:34 +0100
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-07-09 12:21 +0200
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-08 08:43 +0100
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-07-07 21:11 +0200
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-09 09:38 +0100
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2024-07-09 20:47 +0200
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-09 20:31 +0100
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-06 11:29 +0100
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-07-06 17:57 +0000
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-07-06 12:33 +0200
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2024-07-05 13:03 +0000
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-05 15:05 +0100
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-07-05 19:19 +0200
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2024-07-06 03:15 +0000
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-07-06 12:39 +0200
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2024-07-07 00:57 +0000
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-07-07 12:53 +0200
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2024-07-05 12:49 +0000
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-05 14:59 +0100
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication Jack Strangio <jackstrangio@yahoo.com> - 2024-07-06 05:30 +0000
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-06 11:32 +0100
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-07-04 23:29 +0200
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2024-07-05 02:15 +0000
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-07-05 12:26 +0200
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2024-07-06 03:42 +0000
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-07-06 12:50 +0200
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2024-07-07 09:28 +0000
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-07 11:33 +0100
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-07-07 17:23 +0000
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2024-07-07 17:38 +0000
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-07-07 21:19 +0200
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-07-04 10:11 -0400
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder Bobbie Sellers <blissInSanFrancisco@mouse-potato.com> - 2024-07-04 09:12 -0700
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-07-07 12:33 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <v6dudu$aj2e$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #56742 |
On 07/07/2024 11:51, D wrote: > The lie I do not buy is that the government will fix everything. I see > politicians becoming richer and richer, I see regulations becoming more, > I see more and more government contracts being awarded to corporates who > are in bed with the government. > State Capture Crony Capitalism NO Free market at all. Carefully regulated market > As I said, this is not my definition of free markets, this is my > definition of early stage socialism. And since this, as per your > message, seems to be what you mean with free markets, we will just talk > past each other. > Yup. Its a bastrdised blend of fascism oligarchy and Maexism The big money uses Marxist socialist ideology and metaphysics to sell the idea of benevolent state control to the Liberal chatterati. Meanwhile the peasants get fucked as per usual. > What I do find interesting though, is that we see a lot of the same > problems, but we land in dramatically different solutions. Indeed. I see the retreat of the State from such an overwhelming presence as being the only way to actually workout what works, by a less regulated market. Unfortunately many societies that have faced this in the past ended up with complete collapse and a regression back to a lot less civilisation -- To ban Christmas, simply give turkeys the vote.
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| From | D <nospam@example.net> |
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| Date | 2024-07-07 21:23 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <e96fd26f-3646-f533-bb58-bd80edbe6e75@example.net> |
| In reply to | #56747 |
On Sun, 7 Jul 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 07/07/2024 11:51, D wrote: >> The lie I do not buy is that the government will fix everything. I see >> politicians becoming richer and richer, I see regulations becoming more, >> I see more and more government contracts being awarded to corporates who >> are in bed with the government. >> > State Capture > Crony Capitalism > NO Free market at all. Carefully regulated market This is the truth! >> As I said, this is not my definition of free markets, this is my >> definition of early stage socialism. And since this, as per your >> message, seems to be what you mean with free markets, we will just talk >> past each other. >> > Yup. Its a bastrdised blend of fascism oligarchy and Maexism > > The big money uses Marxist socialist ideology and metaphysics to sell the > idea of benevolent state control to the Liberal chatterati. > > Meanwhile the peasants get fucked as per usual. What is sad is that the peasants believe that marxism will set them free, but as you say, they are the ones who will be fucked the worst by the current ideology. All of us here are probably one variety or other of a technical specialist, that is, members of the technological priesthood. We will be fine one way or another. The peasants are the ones who will suffer. >> What I do find interesting though, is that we see a lot of the same >> problems, but we land in dramatically different solutions. > Indeed. I see the retreat of the State from such an overwhelming presence as > being the only way to actually workout what works, by a less regulated > market. True. It is an interesting business challenge to move ones own business to such markets and through such legal constructions as to do that and maximize long term profit. > Unfortunately many societies that have faced this in the past ended up with > complete collapse and a regression back to a lot less civilisation This does scare me. I'm short term pessimistic and long term (30+ years) optimistic.
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-07-06 17:57 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <CAfiO.31276$Gqcd.22863@fx18.iad> |
| In reply to | #56676 |
On 2024-07-06, Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> wrote:
> If you want people to support Capitalism, they must have Capital. Many
> people have little to no Capital... soo...
>
> I can't blame young people for turning to Socialism. They'll never own
> a house, never have any wealth, why should they care?
Any 20-year-old who isn't a liberal has no heart.
Any 40-year-old who isn't a conservative has no brain.
-- not Winston Churchill
Any 60-year-old who isn't a moderate has no soul.
-- me
> By the way, I struggle to see our system working, it is failing
> miserably too.
Not for those at the top...
--
/~\ Charlie Gibbs | We'll go down in history as
\ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | the first society that wouldn't
X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | save itself because it wasn't
/ \ if you read it the right way. | cost-effective. -- Kurt Vonnegut
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| From | Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> |
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| Date | 2024-07-07 00:48 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnv8jpfq.4uu.rotflol2@geidiprime.bvh> |
| In reply to | #56700 |
On 2024-07-06, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote: > On 2024-07-06, Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> If you want people to support Capitalism, they must have Capital. Many >> people have little to no Capital... soo... >> >> I can't blame young people for turning to Socialism. They'll never own >> a house, never have any wealth, why should they care? > > Any 20-year-old who isn't a liberal has no heart. > Any 40-year-old who isn't a conservative has no brain. > -- not Winston Churchill > Any 60-year-old who isn't a moderate has no soul. > -- me > >> By the way, I struggle to see our system working, it is failing >> miserably too. > > Not for those at the top... > I'm Gen X, with children. My children are not going to have homes of their own, the ways things are going. The system is failing. I'm not going to waste my energy supporting "Capital", when "Capital" is determined to sell out my nations future and my childrens future.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-07-07 11:11 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <v6dpl7$9l29$6@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #56706 |
On 07/07/2024 01:48, Borax Man wrote: > I'm Gen X, with children. My children are not going to have homes of > their own, the ways things are going. The system is failing. I'm not > going to waste my energy supporting "Capital", when "Capital" is > determined to sell out my nations future and my childrens future. I bought my first house when I was 43. My first new car when I was 50 You have no idea how lucky you were. -- “The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools.” Herbert Spencer
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-07-07 11:10 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <v6dpil$9l29$5@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #56700 |
On 06/07/2024 18:57, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On 2024-07-06, Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> If you want people to support Capitalism, they must have Capital. Many >> people have little to no Capital... soo... >> >> I can't blame young people for turning to Socialism. They'll never own >> a house, never have any wealth, why should they care? > > Any 20-year-old who isn't a liberal has no heart. > Any 40-year-old who isn't a conservative has no brain. > -- not Winston Churchill > Any 60-year-old who isn't a moderate has no soul. > -- me > http://vps.templar.co.uk/Cartoons%20and%20Politics/dilemma.jpg >> By the way, I struggle to see our system working, it is failing >> miserably too. > > Not for those at the top... > Indeed. The unintended result of high tech eliminating the need for human labour, is that human labour is now worthless. And so the likes of Putin find themselves with a garden full of human weeds. Putin' solution is to send them to war to let the Ukrainians kill them In the West they become simply 'spare' a huge underclass supplied with taxpayers money to recycle it back to the corporate purveyors of brain candy. Or absorbed into the state propaganda machine to spout pointless woke garbage in the mass media -- “Some people like to travel by train because it combines the slowness of a car with the cramped public exposure of an airplane.” Dennis Miller
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| From | Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> |
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| Date | 2024-07-07 10:15 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnv8kql4.s7e.rotflol2@geidiprime.bvh> |
| In reply to | #56730 |
On 2024-07-07, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: > On 06/07/2024 18:57, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >> On 2024-07-06, Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> wrote: >> >>> If you want people to support Capitalism, they must have Capital. Many >>> people have little to no Capital... soo... >>> >>> I can't blame young people for turning to Socialism. They'll never own >>> a house, never have any wealth, why should they care? >> >> Any 20-year-old who isn't a liberal has no heart. >> Any 40-year-old who isn't a conservative has no brain. >> -- not Winston Churchill >> Any 60-year-old who isn't a moderate has no soul. >> -- me >> > > http://vps.templar.co.uk/Cartoons%20and%20Politics/dilemma.jpg > >>> By the way, I struggle to see our system working, it is failing >>> miserably too. >> >> Not for those at the top... >> > > Indeed. > > The unintended result of high tech eliminating the need for human > labour, is that human labour is now worthless. > > And so the likes of Putin find themselves with a garden full of human > weeds. > Putin' solution is to send them to war to let the Ukrainians kill them > In the West they become simply 'spare' a huge underclass supplied with > taxpayers money to recycle it back to the corporate purveyors of brain > candy. > Or absorbed into the state propaganda machine to spout pointless woke > garbage in the mass media > > The fact that humans become considere to be "worthless" shows the system was utterly inhumane and corrupt to begin with. That is alone grounds enough to warrant us overturning it.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-07-07 12:26 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <v6du1f$aj2e$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #56733 |
On 07/07/2024 11:15, Borax Man wrote: > > The fact that humans become considere to be "worthless" shows the system > was utterly inhumane and corrupt to begin with. That is alone grounds > enough to warrant us overturning it. Well there you go on some moral trip again! Juts like the Marxists want you to be. I am not taking morality, I am talking system stability Putin and a bunch of technocrats can run Russia for their own benefit and can safely ignore the serfs, because the serfs have no power at all. And contribute nothing to the economy -- “But what a weak barrier is truth when it stands in the way of an hypothesis!” Mary Wollstonecraft
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| From | D <nospam@example.net> |
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| Date | 2024-07-06 12:31 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <e4dc5d41-79d9-6bbe-6380-33378f4893c5@example.net> |
| In reply to | #56671 |
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On Fri, 5 Jul 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 05/07/2024 18:15, D wrote: >> >> >> On Fri, 5 Jul 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> >>> On 05/07/2024 11:29, D wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, 5 Jul 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>>> >>>>>> I see this quite often in my line of work, this condescension towards >>>>>> the uneducated, that people only vote a particular way because of >>>>>> ignorance of fear. Worse, is that this mentality is now promoted and >>>>>> coddled, workplaces now champion themselves as promoters of a "social >>>>>> good", which gives those who work there an even bigger head. >>>>> >>>>> The only people who vote for delusion are the champagne socialists with >>>>> their Art degrees and their moral 'issues' >>>> >>>> This is the truth! Most extreme tech-socialists I've met live in houses, >>>> have at least 2 cars, and are generally very well off. Often they do >>>> have big public sector customers who help them fund their life styles. >>>> >>>> It is also completely impossible to discuss why their politics is >>>> irrational and damaging to society at large, because they are such huge >>>> winners of the current system. >>>> >>>> However... and here is where it gets interesting! >>>> >>>> I know one socialist from a working class background, and he is the only >>>> socialist I know who it is actually possible to discuss politics with! >>>> Needless to say, we've ended up in the agree to disagree box quite >>>> often, but from time to time we actually do agree on something. >>> >>> A late friend was a rampant sort of lower middle class Scottish raving >>> socialist of the red union sort. He became a local councillor, and said >>> that 'the only people who ever got things done were the Tory squirearchy. >>> >>> And yet he was overjoyed when Blair got in. >>> >>> I finally realised that what appealed was the ideology. The fact that >>> Labour never has and never will solve a single social problem it >>> identifies as 'crucial' meant nothing to him >>> It was the thought, that counted. >>> >>> Virtue signalling, not practical politics. >>> >>> Socialists are the ultimate cat-bellers. Full of solutions that cannot be >>> implemented or won't work if they are. >>> >>> And sadly that became the game of the Tories too, which is why they have >>> been given the finger. All mouth and no trousers. >> >> This is true. Socialism has been refuted historically (it has never >> worked), logically (it is self-contradictory) and scientifically (it has >> been proven by economists not to work). Yet, the masses insist on believing >> it. >> >> The reason is that it is a religion where the leaders promise heaven on >> earth, here and now, and workers who don't like their lives, hope that this >> time it will be different, which of course it never is. >> >> But who knows? Maybe humanity will learn one day? > Socialism is essentially paternalistic slavery. Everyone works for the > gummint, and the gummint tells them what to think do and say and 'sees them > right'. > Except somehow it never does... Amen!
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-07-05 20:28 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <oHYhO.2877$OXD2.2231@fx47.iad> |
| In reply to | #56669 |
On 2024-07-05, D <nospam@example.net> wrote: > On Fri, 5 Jul 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >> Socialists are the ultimate cat-bellers. Full of solutions that cannot be >> implemented or won't work if they are. >> >> And sadly that became the game of the Tories too, which is why they have been >> given the finger. All mouth and no trousers. > > This is true. Socialism has been refuted historically (it has never > worked), logically (it is self-contradictory) and scientifically (it has > been proven by economists not to work). Yet, the masses insist on believing it. > > The reason is that it is a religion where the leaders promise heaven on > earth, here and now, and workers who don't like their lives, hope that > this time it will be different, which of course it never is. Unfortunately, this is true of demagogues on both the left and the right. Take a look at the United States today, for instance. In fact, if you replace "socialism" with "unbridled capitalism", you've pretty much covered the whole spectrum (aside from us radical moderates sitting in the middle, watching the chaos unfold on both sides). > But who knows? Maybe humanity will learn one day? I'm not holding my breath. -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | We'll go down in history as \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | the first society that wouldn't X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | save itself because it wasn't / \ if you read it the right way. | cost-effective. -- Kurt Vonnegut
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| From | not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) |
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| Date | 2024-07-06 11:00 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <6688973f@news.ausics.net> |
| In reply to | #56673 |
Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote: > On 2024-07-05, D <nospam@example.net> wrote: >> On Fri, 5 Jul 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>> Socialists are the ultimate cat-bellers. Full of solutions that cannot be >>> implemented or won't work if they are. >>> >>> And sadly that became the game of the Tories too, which is why they have been >>> given the finger. All mouth and no trousers. >> >> This is true. Socialism has been refuted historically (it has never >> worked), logically (it is self-contradictory) and scientifically (it has >> been proven by economists not to work). Yet, the masses insist on believing it. >> >> The reason is that it is a religion where the leaders promise heaven on >> earth, here and now, and workers who don't like their lives, hope that >> this time it will be different, which of course it never is. > > Unfortunately, this is true of demagogues on both the left and the right. > Take a look at the United States today, for instance. In fact, if you > replace "socialism" with "unbridled capitalism", you've pretty much > covered the whole spectrum (aside from us radical moderates sitting > in the middle, watching the chaos unfold on both sides). It's an inevitability of politics since people are generally too willing to believe in easy utopian promises. When you look at minor policical parties it's even worse, because they never get enough power to implement their misconceived schemes and therefore grow their own imaginary world where "because we'll solve a with b, we can fix c with d...". The major parties love to inflate the potential of their schemes as well, but eventually they actually achieve power and frequently fail to implement them or find they're ineffective, so their policies get flushed out and start again at the next election/revolution. To try and get closer to topic, imagine it as a stack in a computer. Then if the majors make a particular habit of filling their stack with rubbish between each flush, a radical minor party might get elected and unleash their huge full stack of ideas. Then that soon gets flushed out in a stream of failure and infeasibility, so the new party is forced to realign itself along some other course while still trying to hold on to the support it won for its original vision. They often turn to frantic nationalism at that point. -- __ __ #_ < |\| |< _#
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| From | D <nospam@example.net> |
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| Date | 2024-07-06 12:34 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <baba664d-7f53-9fdc-59fc-779f22bd7b26@example.net> |
| In reply to | #56674 |
On Sat, 6 Jul 2024, Computer Nerd Kev wrote: > Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote: >> On 2024-07-05, D <nospam@example.net> wrote: >>> On Fri, 5 Jul 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>>> Socialists are the ultimate cat-bellers. Full of solutions that cannot be >>>> implemented or won't work if they are. >>>> >>>> And sadly that became the game of the Tories too, which is why they have been >>>> given the finger. All mouth and no trousers. >>> >>> This is true. Socialism has been refuted historically (it has never >>> worked), logically (it is self-contradictory) and scientifically (it has >>> been proven by economists not to work). Yet, the masses insist on believing it. >>> >>> The reason is that it is a religion where the leaders promise heaven on >>> earth, here and now, and workers who don't like their lives, hope that >>> this time it will be different, which of course it never is. >> >> Unfortunately, this is true of demagogues on both the left and the right. >> Take a look at the United States today, for instance. In fact, if you >> replace "socialism" with "unbridled capitalism", you've pretty much >> covered the whole spectrum (aside from us radical moderates sitting >> in the middle, watching the chaos unfold on both sides). > > It's an inevitability of politics since people are generally too > willing to believe in easy utopian promises. When you look at minor > policical parties it's even worse, because they never get enough > power to implement their misconceived schemes and therefore grow > their own imaginary world where "because we'll solve a with b, we > can fix c with d...". > > The major parties love to inflate the potential of their schemes > as well, but eventually they actually achieve power and frequently > fail to implement them or find they're ineffective, so their > policies get flushed out and start again at the next > election/revolution. To try and get closer to topic, imagine it as > a stack in a computer. > > Then if the majors make a particular habit of filling their stack > with rubbish between each flush, a radical minor party might get > elected and unleash their huge full stack of ideas. Then that soon > gets flushed out in a stream of failure and infeasibility, so the > new party is forced to realign itself along some other course while > still trying to hold on to the support it won for its original > vision. They often turn to frantic nationalism at that point. Now for the next question... how would you fix this?
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| From | not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) |
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| Date | 2024-07-07 09:33 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <6689d45f@news.ausics.net> |
| In reply to | #56687 |
D <nospam@example.net> wrote: > On Sat, 6 Jul 2024, Computer Nerd Kev wrote: >> Then if the majors make a particular habit of filling their stack >> with rubbish between each flush, a radical minor party might get >> elected and unleash their huge full stack of ideas. Then that soon >> gets flushed out in a stream of failure and infeasibility, so the >> new party is forced to realign itself along some other course while >> still trying to hold on to the support it won for its original >> vision. They often turn to frantic nationalism at that point. > > Now for the next question... how would you fix this? No idea, and I'd be highly skeptical of anyone who thinks they do have a solution to it. -- __ __ #_ < |\| |< _#
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-07-07 11:18 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <v6dq0o$9l29$7@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #56704 |
On 07/07/2024 00:33, Computer Nerd Kev wrote: > D <nospam@example.net> wrote: >> On Sat, 6 Jul 2024, Computer Nerd Kev wrote: >>> Then if the majors make a particular habit of filling their stack >>> with rubbish between each flush, a radical minor party might get >>> elected and unleash their huge full stack of ideas. Then that soon >>> gets flushed out in a stream of failure and infeasibility, so the >>> new party is forced to realign itself along some other course while >>> still trying to hold on to the support it won for its original >>> vision. They often turn to frantic nationalism at that point. >> >> Now for the next question... how would you fix this? > > No idea, and I'd be highly skeptical of anyone who thinks they do > have a solution to it. > If it were that easy we would have done it by now. UK prioritises stability over representation. EU nations are more representative, but volatile. Or are they? Germany's disastrous state of its energy infrastructure now is the direct result of Merkel going into coalition with a Green minority party. Plant windmills and kill off nuclear to placate the Greens, but import Russian gas and East German lignite to do the heavy lifting. The UKs election is a classic example of 'we want these fuckers out, and we don't actually care who gets in: They can't be any worse' Of course, they will be... So we will have to kick *this* lot out next time -- "In our post-modern world, climate science is not powerful because it is true: it is true because it is powerful." Lucas Bergkamp
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-07-07 17:23 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <raAiO.22589$Q786.3193@fx10.iad> |
| In reply to | #56735 |
On 2024-07-07, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 07/07/2024 00:33, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
>
>> D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 6 Jul 2024, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
>>>
>>>> Then if the majors make a particular habit of filling their stack
>>>> with rubbish between each flush, a radical minor party might get
>>>> elected and unleash their huge full stack of ideas. Then that soon
>>>> gets flushed out in a stream of failure and infeasibility, so the
>>>> new party is forced to realign itself along some other course while
>>>> still trying to hold on to the support it won for its original
>>>> vision. They often turn to frantic nationalism at that point.
>>>
>>> Now for the next question... how would you fix this?
>>
>> No idea, and I'd be highly skeptical of anyone who thinks they do
>> have a solution to it.
>
> If it were that easy we would have done it by now.
>
> UK prioritises stability over representation. EU nations are more
> representative, but volatile.
>
> Or are they?
>
> Germany's disastrous state of its energy infrastructure now is the
> direct result of Merkel going into coalition with a Green minority
> party. Plant windmills and kill off nuclear to placate the Greens, but
> import Russian gas and East German lignite to do the heavy lifting.
>
> The UKs election is a classic example of 'we want these fuckers out, and
> we don't actually care who gets in: They can't be any worse'
>
> Of course, they will be...
>
> So we will have to kick *this* lot out next time
Politicians are like diapers:
they must be changed often,
and for the same reason.
-- not Mark Twain
--
/~\ Charlie Gibbs | We'll go down in history as
\ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | the first society that wouldn't
X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | save itself because it wasn't
/ \ if you read it the right way. | cost-effective. -- Kurt Vonnegut
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2024-07-07 18:13 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <lf0476Fqm5qU3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #56735 |
On Sun, 7 Jul 2024 11:18:00 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > UK prioritises stability over representation. EU nations are more > representative, but volatile. After 4 July I don't know about UK stability. Apparently the voters were a little sick of stable. I don't know enough of the situation to know if un- Brexit is in the cards.
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| From | jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) |
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| Date | 2024-07-07 20:04 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication |
| Message-ID | <memo.20240707200418.9260G@jgd.cix.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #56762 |
In article <lf0476Fqm5qU3@mid.individual.net>, bowman@montana.com (rbowman) wrote: > On Sun, 7 Jul 2024 11:18:00 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > > > UK prioritises stability over representation. EU nations are more > > representative, but volatile. > > After 4 July I don't know about UK stability. Apparently the voters > were a little sick of stable. I think what they were mainly sick of was incompetence. > I don't know enough of the situation to know if un-Brexit is in > the cards. Very unlikely. The EU would not take the UK back unless all the major political factions were in favour of it, which is definitely not the case at present. John
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| From | D <nospam@example.net> |
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| Date | 2024-07-08 11:50 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication |
| Message-ID | <50398c3b-1dca-838b-da46-0303da2f61b7@example.net> |
| In reply to | #56765 |
On Sun, 7 Jul 2024, John Dallman wrote: > In article <lf0476Fqm5qU3@mid.individual.net>, bowman@montana.com > (rbowman) wrote: >> On Sun, 7 Jul 2024 11:18:00 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> >>> UK prioritises stability over representation. EU nations are more >>> representative, but volatile. >> >> After 4 July I don't know about UK stability. Apparently the voters >> were a little sick of stable. > > I think what they were mainly sick of was incompetence. > >> I don't know enough of the situation to know if un-Brexit is in >> the cards. > > Very unlikely. The EU would not take the UK back unless all the major > political factions were in favour of it, which is definitely not the case > at present. > > John > Are you sure? I think the EU would love to get it's old milking cow back.
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| From | jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) |
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| Date | 2024-07-08 18:04 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces |
| Message-ID | <memo.20240708180458.9260J@jgd.cix.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #56780 |
In article <50398c3b-1dca-838b-da46-0303da2f61b7@example.net>, nospam@example.net (D) wrote: > > The EU would not take the UK back unless all the major political > > factions were in favour of it, which is definitely not the case > > at present. > Are you sure? I think the EU would love to get it's old milking cow > back. Pretty sure. Having the UK rejoin and then want to leave again within a few years after an election would be very counter-productive for the EU. That's the general opinion among UK citizens in favour of rejoining. There would also be a lot of fuss when people not so keen on rejoining discovered that the UK would lose many of its old opt-outs. One of those was created specifically to allow the Murdochs to keep on owning TV stations as well as newspapers, and other media companies have taken advantage of that. We can thus be sure that most of the media would oppose rejoining as being against their interests. John
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| From | D <nospam@example.net> |
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| Date | 2024-07-08 22:17 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces |
| Message-ID | <7ed6487c-00b8-c511-8dac-d248453c7746@example.net> |
| In reply to | #56797 |
On Mon, 8 Jul 2024, John Dallman wrote: > In article <50398c3b-1dca-838b-da46-0303da2f61b7@example.net>, > nospam@example.net (D) wrote: > >>> The EU would not take the UK back unless all the major political >>> factions were in favour of it, which is definitely not the case >>> at present. >> Are you sure? I think the EU would love to get it's old milking cow >> back. > > Pretty sure. Having the UK rejoin and then want to leave again within a > few years after an election would be very counter-productive for the EU. > That's the general opinion among UK citizens in favour of rejoining. > > There would also be a lot of fuss when people not so keen on rejoining > discovered that the UK would lose many of its old opt-outs. One of those > was created specifically to allow the Murdochs to keep on owning TV > stations as well as newspapers, and other media companies have taken > advantage of that. We can thus be sure that most of the media would > oppose rejoining as being against their interests. > > John > Very interesting! Thank you for the information John.
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