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Re: The "Standards" Game

Started byLars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com>
First post2025-11-26 14:33 +0000
Last post2025-11-28 21:37 +0000
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  Re: The "Standards" Game Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-11-26 14:33 +0000
    Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-26 17:02 +0000
      Re: The "Standards" Game Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-11-27 13:51 +0000
        Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-27 14:40 +0000
        Re: The "Standards" Game Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-27 21:28 +0000
          Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-28 00:09 -0500
          Re: The "Standards" Game Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-11-28 15:00 +0000
            Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-28 15:09 +0000
        Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-28 01:39 -0500
          Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-28 13:02 +0100
            Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-28 20:47 +0000
            Re: The "Standards" Game Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-28 21:35 +0000
              Re: The "Standards" Game not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-11-29 08:14 +1000
                Re: The "Standards" Game Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-29 02:00 +0000
                  Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-28 23:41 -0500
                    Re: The "Standards" Game not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-11-29 16:55 +1000
                    Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-29 20:11 +0000
                  Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-11-29 21:39 +1100
                  Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-29 20:00 +0000
                    Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-30 10:22 +0000
                      Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-30 19:53 +0000
                        Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-30 20:13 +0000
                          Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-01 20:22 +0000
                            Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-01 21:46 +0000
                              Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-02 05:35 +0000
                                Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-02 14:35 +0100
                                  Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-02 19:21 +0000
                                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-02 00:49 -0500
                                  Re: The "Standards" Game Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-03 16:18 +0000
                                    Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-03 19:48 +0100
                                      Re: The "Standards" Game Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-03 19:51 +0000
                                        Robocalls "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-03 22:40 +0100
                                          Re: Robocalls c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-03 21:34 -0500
                                          Re: Robocalls Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-04 05:43 +0000
                                          Re: Robocalls The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-04 12:21 +0000
                                            Re: Robocalls Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-04 19:40 +0000
                                              Re: Robocalls "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-04 21:37 +0100
                                    Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-03 23:09 -0500
                                      Re: The "Standards" Game Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-05 19:39 +0000
                                        Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-05 20:54 +0100
                                          Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-06 11:56 +0000
                                            Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-06 13:30 +0100
                                              Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-06 12:48 +0000
                                              Re: The "Standards" Game Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-06 15:11 +0000
                                                Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-07 19:51 +0100
                                                  Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-07 20:31 +0000
                                            Re: The "Standards" Game Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-06 15:07 +0000
                                              Re: The "Standards" Game Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-07 00:35 +0000
                                                Re: The "Standards" Game Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-07 18:50 +0000
                                                  Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-07 19:47 +0000
                                                  Re: The "Standards" Game Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-07 23:27 +0000
                                                    Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-07 23:08 -0500
                                                      Re: The "Standards" Game Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-08 04:46 +0000
                                                        Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-08 00:13 -0500
                                                          Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 08:41 +0000
                                                            Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-08 04:55 -0500
                                                              Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-09 01:50 +0000
                                                                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-09 00:55 -0500
                                                                  Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-09 06:38 +0000
                                                          Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-08 09:01 +0000
                                                            Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-08 04:58 -0500
                                                            Re: The "Standards" Game Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-08 21:16 +0000
                                                      Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-08 14:37 +0100
                                                        Re: The "Standards" Game Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-08 17:41 +0000
                                                          Old people. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-09 15:07 +0100
                                                            Re: Old people. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-09 14:29 +0000
                                                            Re: Old people. c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-09 22:02 -0500
                                                            Re: Old people. bonkmaykr <bonkyboo@canithesis.org> - 2025-12-13 01:10 -0600
                                                              Re: Old people. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-13 20:36 +0100
                                                Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-07 19:53 +0100
                                  Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-03 17:17 +0000
                                    Re: The "Standards" Game Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-03 19:55 +0000
                            Re: The "Standards" Game Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-02 00:17 +0000
                              Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-02 05:40 +0000
                              Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-02 10:50 +0000
                                emergency number routing "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-02 14:41 +0100
                                  Re: emergency number routing Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-02 14:48 -0500
                                    Re: emergency number routing "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-02 21:13 +0100
                                      Re: emergency number routing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-03 04:37 +0000
                                        Re: emergency number routing Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-04 05:43 +0000
                                          Re: emergency number routing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-04 06:57 +0000
                                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-02 20:29 -0500
                                  Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-03 13:10 +0100
                                    Re: The "Standards" Game Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-03 20:07 +0000
                                    Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-03 22:57 -0500
                                      Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-04 07:04 +0000
                              Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-05 21:50 +1100
                                Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-05 12:06 +0100
                                  Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-05 23:10 +1100
                                    Emergency Numbers (Re: The "Standards" Game) Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-05 14:48 +0000
                                      Re: Emergency Numbers (Re: The "Standards" Game) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-05 15:30 +0000
                                      Re: Emergency Numbers (Re: The "Standards" Game) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-05 18:55 +0100
                                        Re: Emergency Numbers (Re: The "Standards" Game) Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-06 22:36 +1100
                                          Re: Emergency Numbers (Re: The "Standards" Game) Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-06 13:37 +0000
                                            Re: Emergency Numbers (Re: The "Standards" Game) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-06 14:46 +0100
                                      Re: Emergency Numbers (Re: The "Standards" Game) Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-06 22:30 +1100
                                      Re: Emergency Numbers (Re: The "Standards" Game) Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2025-12-07 02:46 +0200
                                        Re: Emergency Numbers (Re: The "Standards" Game) Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-07 23:48 +1100
                                          Re: Emergency Numbers (Re: The "Standards" Game) Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-07 12:35 -0500
                                            Re: Emergency Numbers (Re: The "Standards" Game) Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-07 18:52 +0000
                                            Re: Emergency Numbers (Re: The "Standards" Game) Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-08 23:35 +1100
                                              Re: Emergency Numbers (Re: The "Standards" Game) Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-08 21:19 +0000
                                Re: The "Standards" Game Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-05 17:15 +0000
                                  Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-06 11:32 +0000
                                    Re: The "Standards" Game Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-07 01:37 +0000
              Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-29 02:42 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-28 23:45 -0500
                  Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-29 11:03 +0000
                    Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-29 21:47 -0500
                      Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-30 04:12 +0000
                        Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-29 23:36 -0500
                        Re: The "Standards" Game Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-11-30 16:49 +0000
                          Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-30 20:28 +0100
                            Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-01 20:31 +0000
                              Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-02 14:44 +0100
                                Re: The "Standards" Game Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-12-02 13:05 -0500
                                  Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-02 19:35 +0000
                                    Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-02 21:16 +0100
                                      Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-03 05:20 +0000
                                        Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-03 13:14 +0100
                                          Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-03 17:27 +0000
                                  Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-02 21:07 +0100
                                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-02 19:30 +0000
                                  Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-02 21:20 +0100
                                    Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-03 05:11 +0000
                                      Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-03 13:25 +0100
                                        Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-03 17:11 +0000
                                          Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-03 19:59 +0100
                                            Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-04 02:58 +0000
                                        Re: The "Standards" Game Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-04 05:43 +0000
                                          Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-04 07:22 +0000
                      Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-30 10:31 +0000
                        Re: The "Standards" Game Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-30 16:54 +0000
                        Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-30 18:59 +0000
                          Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-30 19:50 +0000
                            Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-30 21:55 -0500
                              Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-01 09:43 +0000
                                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-01 19:56 +0000
                            Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-01 19:53 +0000
                              Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-01 23:16 -0500
                          Re: The "Standards" Game Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-11-30 19:39 -0500
                            Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-01 20:08 +0000
                        Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-30 21:51 -0500
            Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-28 22:16 -0500
              Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-29 11:18 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-29 20:25 +0000
                  Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-29 22:59 -0500
                    Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-30 10:30 +0000
                      Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-30 14:45 +0100
                      Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-30 21:46 -0500
                  Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-30 10:24 +0000
                    Re: The "Standards" Game Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-30 16:54 +0000
                      Re: The "Standards" Game Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-11-30 13:04 -0500
                      Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-30 18:13 +0000
                      Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-30 19:20 +0000
                        Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-30 19:53 +0000
                      Re: The "Standards" Game Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-01 00:10 +0000
                        Re: The "Standards" Game Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-11-30 20:57 -0500
                          Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-01 01:34 -0500
                            Re: The "Standards" Game Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-01 03:40 -0500
                              Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-01 04:50 -0500
                                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-01 10:28 +0000
                                  Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-01 05:57 -0500
                                    Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-01 11:31 +0000
                                      Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-01 22:47 -0500
                                        Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-02 11:06 +0000
                                          Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-02 20:42 -0500
                                          Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-05 22:40 +1100
                                            Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-05 13:05 +0000
                                              Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-06 22:44 +1100
                                                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-06 23:27 -0500
                                                  Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-07 23:53 +1100
                                                    Re: The "Standards" Game Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-07 12:51 -0500
                                                      Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-07 18:08 +0000
                                                        Re: The "Standards" Game Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-07 14:37 -0500
                                                          Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 01:13 +0000
                                                            Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-08 23:49 +1100
                                                            Re: The "Standards" Game Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-08 13:55 +0000
                                                              Re: The "Standards" Game Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-08 12:32 -0500
                                                                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 22:23 +0000
                                                                  Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-09 03:30 -0500
                                                                    Re: The "Standards" Game Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-09 04:12 -0500
                                                                      Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-09 15:29 +0100
                                                                      Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-09 21:01 +0000
                                                                        Re: The "Standards" Game Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-09 14:23 -0800
                                                                      Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-09 20:15 -0500
                                                                        Re: The "Standards" Game Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-09 20:44 -0500
                                                                          Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-10 02:24 -0500
                                                                    Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-09 20:56 +0000
                                                              Sopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-09 15:10 +0100
                                                                Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-09 07:56 -0800
                                                                  Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-10 03:38 +0100
                                                                    Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-09 22:26 -0500
                                                                      Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 10:59 +0000
                                                                        Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-10 15:03 +0000
                                                                          Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 16:48 +0000
                                                                            Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-10 17:32 +0000
                                                                              Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 18:39 +0000
                                                                                Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-11 04:12 +0000
                                                                            Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-11 00:29 -0500
                                                                              Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-11 09:28 +0000
                                                                                Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-11 22:42 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-12 11:37 +0000
                                                                                Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-11 22:29 -0500
                                                                                  Invade America? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-12 13:49 +0100
                                                                        Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-11 02:12 +0000
                                                                      Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-10 22:32 +1100
                                                                        Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-10 21:26 +0000
                                                                        Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-11 01:51 +0000
                                                                          Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 12:02 +0100
                                                                        Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2025-12-10 23:00 -0600
                                                                          Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-11 01:28 -0500
                                                                            Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-11 21:35 +0000
                                                                              Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-11 14:07 -0800
                                                                                Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-12 21:11 +1100
                                                                                  Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-12-12 10:33 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-12 13:58 +0100
                                                                                  Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-12 13:54 +0100
                                                                                    Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-13 21:14 +1100
                                                                                      Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-13 20:40 +0100
                                                                                  Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-12 18:42 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-13 21:16 +1100
                                                                                      Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-13 19:46 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-13 23:52 -0500
                                                                                          Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-14 09:17 +0000
                                                                                            Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-14 22:02 -0500
                                                                                          Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-14 13:32 +0100
                                                                                            Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-15 00:49 -0500
                                                                                              Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-15 05:18 -0500
                                                                                              Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-16 21:36 +0100
                                                                          Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-11 09:27 +0000
                                                                            Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-11 21:14 +1100
                                                                              Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-11 10:58 +0000
                                                                            Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-11 21:44 +0000
                                                                          Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-11 21:10 +1100
                                                                      Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-10 14:23 +0100
                                                                        Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 13:38 +0000
                                                                          Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-11 21:22 +1100
                                                                        Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-10 23:31 -0500
                                                                          Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 12:10 +0100
                                                                            Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-11 23:40 +0000
                                                                              Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-12 03:35 +0100
                                                                    Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-10 03:30 +0000
                                                                      Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-09 23:09 -0500
                                                                        Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 11:03 +0000
                                                                        Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-10 14:37 +0100
                                                                          Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-10 10:09 -0500
                                                                          Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-11 21:43 +1100
                                                                            Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 12:17 +0100
                                                                            Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-11 18:39 +0000
                                                                            Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-11 23:34 -0500
                                                                              Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-12 21:37 +1100
                                                                      Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-09 21:27 -0800
                                                                        Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-10 01:42 -0500
                                                                          Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 11:16 +0000
                                                                            Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-10 07:03 -0500
                                                                              Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 12:05 +0000
                                                                              Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 12:11 +0000
                                                                                Dog poo "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-10 14:51 +0100
                                                                                  Re: Dog poo knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> - 2025-12-10 10:08 -0500
                                                                                Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-11 02:37 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-11 09:01 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 12:23 +0100
                                                                                      Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-11 21:33 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-11 14:03 -0800
                                                                              Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 12:12 +0000
                                                                                Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-10 21:57 -0500
                                                                                  Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-13 21:39 +1100
                                                                                    Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-13 07:00 -0500
                                                                                      Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-13 20:06 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-14 00:18 -0500
                                                                                          Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-14 13:38 +0100
                                                                                            Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-14 20:02 +0000
                                                                                              Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-14 22:43 +0100
                                                                                            Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-15 00:57 -0500
                                                                                              Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-16 21:42 +0100
                                                                                                Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-16 16:29 -0800
                                                                                                  Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-17 01:09 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-17 01:24 -0500
                                                                                                    Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-17 06:53 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-18 22:47 +0100
                                                                                                Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-17 00:51 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-18 22:46 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-19 02:01 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2025-12-19 00:58 -0600
                                                                                                        Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-19 02:46 -0500
                                                                                                        Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-19 08:22 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2025-12-19 13:16 -0600
                                                                                                      Underground fires "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-19 22:28 +0100
                                                                                                        Re: Underground fires rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-20 04:48 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: Underground fires "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-20 13:15 +0100
                                                                                                            Re: Underground fires Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-20 12:14 -0500
                                                                                                              Re: Underground fires "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-20 19:46 +0100
                                                                                                                Re: Underground fires Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-20 16:42 -0500
                                                                                                                  Re: Underground fires "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-20 23:09 +0100
                                                                                                                Re: Underground fires The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-21 02:11 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: Underground fires rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-21 01:34 +0000
                                                                                                              Burning things. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-26 22:42 +0100
                                                                                                            Re: Underground fires c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-21 15:24 -0500
                                                                                                              Re: Underground fires rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-21 23:10 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: Underground fires Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-21 15:34 -0800
                                                                                                                  Re: Underground fires rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-22 06:47 +0000
                                                                                                                    Re: Underground fires c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-22 02:08 -0500
                                                                                                                  Re: Underground fires c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-22 01:53 -0500
                                                                                                              Re: Underground fires Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-22 21:46 +1100
                                                                                                                Re: Underground fires c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-22 07:35 -0500
                                                                                                                  Re: Underground fires Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-23 21:31 +1100
                                                                                                                    Re: Underground fires Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-23 06:40 -0500
                                                                                                                      Re: Underground fires The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-23 12:41 +0000
                                                                                                                        Re: Underground fires Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-23 21:18 +0000
                                                                                                                        Re: Underground fires Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-24 20:43 +1100
                                                                                                                          Re: Underground fires The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-24 13:12 +0000
                                                                                                                      Re: Underground fires Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-24 20:26 +1100
                                                                                                                        OT: Garbage disposal meets rocket science (was: Re: Underground fires) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-24 11:19 +0000
                                                                                                                        Re: Underground fires The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-24 13:04 +0000
                                                                                                                      Re: Underground fires c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-24 04:55 -0500
                                                                                                                        Re: Underground fires The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-24 13:13 +0000
                                                                                                                    Re: Underground fires Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-23 11:43 -0800
                                                                                                                    Re: Underground fires pyotr filipivich <phamp@mindspring.com> - 2025-12-24 09:04 -0800
                                                                                                                    Re: Underground fires "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-27 12:37 +0100
                                                                                                                      Re: Underground fires c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-27 11:44 -0500
                                                                                                              Toxics... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-26 22:47 +0100
                                                                                                          Re: Underground fires Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-21 22:11 +1100
                                                                                                            Re: Underground fires rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-21 20:34 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-19 02:12 -0500
                                                                                    Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-13 22:48 -0500
                                                                                      Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-14 09:16 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2025-12-15 01:05 +0000
                                                                                          Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-15 04:22 +0000
                                                                                            Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-15 18:27 +0000
                                                                                          Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-15 19:17 +0100
                                                                                        Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-14 22:01 -0500
                                                                                          Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-15 21:52 +1100
                                                                                            Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-15 20:27 +0000
                                                                                      Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-14 13:36 +0100
                                                                                        Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-14 19:53 +0000
                                                                                          Forests... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-14 22:45 +0100
                                                                                            Re: Forests... Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-14 23:09 -0500
                                                                                              Re: Forests... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-15 18:24 +0000
                                                                                                Re: Forests... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-15 23:38 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: Forests... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-16 10:48 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: Forests... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-16 19:24 +0000
                                                                                              Re: Forests... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-15 18:59 +0000
                                                                                                Re: Forests... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-16 21:31 +1100
                                                                                                  Re: Forests... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-16 19:15 +0000
                                                                                            Re: Forests... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-15 02:59 -0500
                                                                                              Re: Forests... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-15 19:28 +0000
                                                                              Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 12:13 +0000
                                                                                Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-10 22:22 -0500
                                                                                  Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-11 09:17 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-11 05:00 -0500
                                                                                    Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-11 22:14 +0000
                                                                                      Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-12 11:35 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-12 18:21 +0000
                                                                                          Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-15 17:51 +0000
                                                                                            Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-15 20:39 +0000
                                                                                  Wood "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 19:50 +0100
                                                                              Garbage bags "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-10 14:49 +0100
                                                                                Re: Garbage bags knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> - 2025-12-10 10:10 -0500
                                                                                  Re: Garbage bags The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 16:58 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Garbage bags rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-11 02:46 +0000
                                                                                      Re: Garbage bags The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-11 09:02 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Garbage bags rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-11 21:30 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Garbage bags Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2025-12-12 02:58 -0600
                                                                                  Re: Garbage bags "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 12:28 +0100
                                                                                    Re: Garbage bags The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-11 12:42 +0000
                                                                                      Trails, Dogshit and Plastic in Nature Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-11 13:51 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Trails, Dogshit and Plastic in Nature "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 20:14 +0100
                                                                                      Re: Garbage bags rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-11 20:20 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Garbage bags "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 22:22 +0100
                                                                                Re: Garbage bags The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 16:47 +0000
                                                                                Re: Garbage bags rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-11 02:44 +0000
                                                                                Re: Garbage bags c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-10 23:51 -0500
                                                                                  Re: Garbage bags The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-11 09:24 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Garbage bags rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-11 21:48 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Garbage bags Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-11 13:56 -0800
                                                                            Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-10 14:44 +0100
                                                                            Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-10 21:26 +0000
                                                                            Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-11 02:30 +0000
                                                                              Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 12:37 +0100
                                                                                Dogshit and bags Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-11 14:05 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Dogshit and bags "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 20:16 +0100
                                                                                  Re: Dogshit and bags rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-11 20:08 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Dogshit and bags Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> - 2025-12-12 09:09 +1100
                                                                                Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-11 19:46 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 22:27 +0100
                                                                        Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 11:08 +0000
                                                                          Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-14 22:23 +1100
                                                                            Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-15 18:19 +0000
                                                                              Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-16 23:13 +1100
                                                                                Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-16 14:29 +0000
                                                                  Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-10 22:21 +1100
                                                                Re: Sopping carts, baskets, bags... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-10 22:14 +1100
                                                                  Re: Sopping carts, baskets, bags... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-10 06:40 -0500
                                                                    Re: Sopping carts, baskets, bags... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 11:53 +0000
                                                                      Re: Sopping carts, baskets, bags... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-12 21:57 +1100
                                                                        Re: Sopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-12 18:50 +0000
                                                                          Re: Sopping carts, baskets, bags... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-14 22:34 +1100
                                                                            Re: Sopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-14 20:27 +0000
                                                                              Re: Sopping carts, baskets, bags... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-15 02:50 -0500
                                                                                Re: Sopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-15 20:44 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Sopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-16 22:07 +0100
                                                                                    Re: Sopping carts, baskets, bags... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-17 01:15 +0000
                                                                                      Re: Sopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-18 22:49 +0100
                                                                                        Re: Sopping carts, baskets, bags... Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-19 04:27 -0500
                                                                                          Re: Sopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-19 15:41 +0100
                                                                    Re: Sopping carts, baskets, bags... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-10 14:55 +0100
                                                                      Re: Sopping carts, baskets, bags... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-12 22:06 +1100
                                                                    Re: Sopping carts, baskets, bags... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-12 21:48 +1100
                                                                  Re: Sopping carts, baskets, bags... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 11:47 +0000
                                                          Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-08 23:45 +1100
                                                      Autoblock feature of shopping carts. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-07 19:14 +0100
                                                        Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-07 15:04 -0500
                                                          Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 01:10 +0000
                                                            Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-08 04:41 +0000
                                                              Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-07 23:57 -0500
                                                              Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-08 05:49 +0000
                                                                Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-08 01:29 -0500
                                                                  Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 08:29 +0000
                                                                Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-08 09:03 +0000
                                                                  Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-08 22:23 +0000
                                                                    Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-09 10:03 +0000
                                                                      Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-09 16:13 +0000
                                                                        Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-09 19:14 +0000
                                                                      Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-09 20:21 -0500
                                                                        Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-10 03:25 +0000
                                                              Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-08 01:58 -0500
                                                                Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-08 03:13 -0500
                                                                Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 08:14 +0000
                                                          Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-08 23:52 +1100
                                                            Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 23:15 +0000
                                                              Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-09 22:44 +1100
                                                        Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-07 21:56 -0500
                                                          Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-09 00:04 +1100
                                                            Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 22:46 +0000
                                                              Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-09 01:41 -0500
                                                                Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-09 22:46 +1100
                                                                  Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-09 21:06 +0000
                                                                    Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-11 22:12 +1100
                                                                  Re: Autoblock feature of shopping carts. c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-09 20:42 -0500
                                                      Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-08 23:38 +1100
                                Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-01 22:19 +1100
                                  Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-01 11:33 +0000
                                    Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-01 21:25 +0000
                                      Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-01 21:48 +0000
                                        Re: The "Standards" Game Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-02 02:51 +0000
                                        Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-02 06:05 +0000
                                          Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-02 04:57 -0500
                                            Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-03 16:09 +0000
                                              Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-03 23:03 -0500
                                                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-04 07:00 +0000
                                      Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-01 23:21 -0500
                                    Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-01 22:49 -0500
                                      Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-02 11:12 +0000
                                        Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-02 21:14 -0500
                                          Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-03 11:24 +0000
                                            Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-03 22:13 -0500
                                              Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-04 12:32 +0000
                                              Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-05 23:14 +1100
                                                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-05 21:36 -0500
                                                  Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-06 22:52 +1100
                                                    Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-07 00:07 +1100
                                                    Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-06 23:41 -0500
                                                      Double booting "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-07 19:25 +0100
                                                        Re: Double booting Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-07 19:00 +0000
                                                          Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-07 20:33 +0000
                                                            Re: Double booting "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-07 22:32 +0100
                                                              Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-08 08:56 +0000
                                                                Re: Double booting "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-08 14:53 +0100
                                                          Re: Double booting "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-07 22:31 +0100
                                                            Re: Double booting Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-07 22:24 +0000
                                                              Re: Double booting "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-08 14:53 +0100
                                                                Re: Double booting Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-08 22:43 +0000
                                                                  Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-09 10:11 +0000
                                                                    Re: Double booting "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-09 15:48 +0100
                                                                      Re: Double booting Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-09 16:18 +0000
                                                        Re: Double booting rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-07 19:33 +0000
                                                          Re: Double booting Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-09 00:20 +1100
                                                            Re: Double booting "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-08 14:59 +0100
                                                              Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-08 18:02 +0000
                                                              Re: Double booting rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 22:41 +0000
                                                                Re: Double booting c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-09 03:35 -0500
                                                                  Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-09 10:09 +0000
                                                                    Re: Double booting Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-09 22:53 +1100
                                                                      Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-09 14:08 +0000
                                                                        Re: Double booting Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-11 22:18 +1100
                                                                          Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-11 12:36 +0000
                                                                            Re: Double booting Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-12 22:11 +1100
                                                                      Re: Double booting c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-09 20:50 -0500
                                                                        Re: Double booting Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-10 03:05 +0000
                                                                          Re: Double booting c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-09 22:17 -0500
                                                                            Re: Double booting Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-10 03:25 +0000
                                                                              Re: Double booting c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-10 00:18 -0500
                                                                                Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 10:52 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Double booting rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-11 02:16 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-11 08:58 +0000
                                                                              Re: Double booting Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-14 22:38 +1100
                                                                                Re: Double booting "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-14 13:42 +0100
                                                                            Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 10:49 +0000
                                                                        Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 10:45 +0000
                                                                    Re: Double booting c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-09 20:28 -0500
                                                                  GPS Based Speedometers Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-09 12:47 +0000
                                                                    Re: GPS Based Speedometers knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> - 2025-12-09 08:14 -0500
                                                                      Re: GPS Based Speedometers The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-09 14:13 +0000
                                                                        Re: GPS Based Speedometers Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-09 18:35 +0000
                                                                        Re: GPS Based Speedometers rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-09 20:30 +0000
                                                                          Re: GPS Based Speedometers Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-09 16:52 -0500
                                                                        Re: GPS Based Speedometers Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-09 21:01 +0000
                                                                          Re: GPS Based Speedometers The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 10:37 +0000
                                                                      Re: GPS Based Speedometers Herbert Kleebauer <klee@unibwm.de> - 2025-12-09 16:24 +0100
                                                                        Re: GPS Based Speedometers Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-09 18:39 +0000
                                                                      Re: GPS Based Speedometers Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-14 23:06 +1100
                                                                        Re: GPS Based Speedometers "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-14 13:43 +0100
                                                                        Re: GPS Based Speedometers rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-14 19:09 +0000
                                                                        Re: GPS Based Speedometers c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-15 00:12 -0500
                                                                          Re: GPS Based Speedometers rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-15 19:55 +0000
                                                                    Re: GPS Based Speedometers rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-09 20:46 +0000
                                                                    Re: GPS Based Speedometers c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-09 21:31 -0500
                                                                  Re: Double booting rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-09 20:23 +0000
                                                                    Re: Double booting Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2025-12-09 17:01 -0600
                                                                      Re: Double booting Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-10 03:15 +0000
                                                                        Cars, motors "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 11:16 +0100
                                                                      Re: Double booting rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-10 03:18 +0000
                                                                      Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 10:30 +0000
                                                                        Re: Double booting c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-10 05:59 -0500
                                                                          Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 11:46 +0000
                                                                        Cars, engines... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 11:11 +0100
                                                                          Re: Cars, engines... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-11 21:28 +0000
                                                                            Re: Cars, engines... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-12 03:42 +0100
                                                                              Re: Cars, engines... Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-11 21:49 -0800
                                                                                Re: Cars, engines... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-12 07:09 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Cars, engines... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-15 23:19 +1100
                                                                                    Re: Cars, engines... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-15 18:26 +0000
                                                                                Re: Cars, engines... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-12 14:19 +0100
                                                                                  Re: Cars, engines... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-12 15:27 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Cars, engines... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-12 17:49 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Cars, engines... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-12 20:48 +0100
                                                                                  Re: Cars, engines... Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-13 15:40 -0800
                                                                                    Re: Cars, engines... CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-12-13 19:32 -0500
                                                                                      Re: Cars, engines... Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-13 21:08 -0800
                                                                                    Re: Cars, engines... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-14 01:32 +0000
                                                                                      Re: Cars, engines... Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-13 21:14 -0800
                                                                                        Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-14 01:33 -0500
                                                                                          Re: Cars, engines... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-15 18:18 +0000
                                                                                            Re: Cars, engines... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-16 23:26 +1100
                                                                                              Re: Cars, engines... Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-16 13:20 +0000
                                                                                              Re: Cars, engines... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-16 14:29 +0000
                                                                                                Re: Cars, engines... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-17 23:00 +1100
                                                                                                  Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-17 22:04 -0500
                                                                                                    Re: Cars, engines... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-18 09:51 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Cars, engines... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-14 08:45 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Cars, engines... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-15 18:15 +0000
                                                                                      Re: Cars, engines... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-15 18:02 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Cars, engines... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-15 18:27 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Cars, engines... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-15 23:45 +1100
                                                                                      Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-15 22:28 -0500
                                                                                        Re: Cars, engines... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-16 23:37 +1100
                                                                                          Re: Cars, engines... Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-17 00:42 +0000
                                                                                            Re: Cars, engines... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-17 01:02 +0000
                                                                                            Re: Cars, engines... ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ  <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-12-16 20:12 -0700
                                                                                            Re: Cars, engines... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-18 22:56 +0100
                                                                                              Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-19 02:15 -0500
                                                                                                Re: Cars, engines... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-19 15:42 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-20 03:53 -0500
                                                                                                    Re: Cars, engines... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-20 13:20 +0100
                                                                                              Re: Cars, engines... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-19 22:41 +1100
                                                                                                Re: Cars, engines... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-19 23:15 +1100
                                                                                                Re: Cars, engines... Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-12-19 21:12 +0000
                                                                                                Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-20 01:32 -0500
                                                                                                  Re: Cars, engines... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-20 10:48 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-21 14:49 -0500
                                                                                                      Re: Cars, engines... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-21 20:03 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-21 16:39 -0500
                                                                                                          Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-22 03:07 -0500
                                                                                                          Re: Cars, engines... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-22 12:56 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: Cars, engines... Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-22 17:33 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-23 01:14 -0500
                                                                                                              Re: Cars, engines... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-29 22:20 +0100
                                                                                                                Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-30 03:11 -0500
                                                                                                                  Re: Cars, engines... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-30 09:25 +0100
                                                                                                                    Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-30 13:08 -0500
                                                                                                                      Re: Cars, engines... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-30 18:55 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: Cars, engines... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-31 00:43 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: Cars, engines... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-22 21:59 +1100
                                                                                Re: Cars, engines... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-12 14:32 +0100
                                                                                  Re: Cars, engines... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-12 15:39 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Cars, engines... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-12 20:59 +0100
                                                                                      Re: Cars, engines... Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-13 02:52 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Cars, engines... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-13 06:11 +0000
                                                                                          Re: Cars, engines... Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-14 03:48 +0000
                                                                                            Re: Cars, engines... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-14 08:50 +0000
                                                                                              Re: Cars, engines... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-14 13:51 +0100
                                                                                        Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-13 04:06 -0500
                                                                                          Re: Cars, engines... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-13 21:03 +0100
                                                                                            Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-14 00:03 -0500
                                                                                              Re: Cars, engines... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-14 13:59 +0100
                                                                                                Re: Cars, engines... Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2025-12-14 13:17 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: Cars, engines... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-14 20:27 +0100
                                                                                                Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-15 01:33 -0500
                                                                                                  Re: Cars, engines... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-15 19:34 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: Cars, engines... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-15 19:23 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: Cars, engines... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-16 22:17 +0100
                                                                                          Re: Cars, engines... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-15 17:57 +0000
                                                                              Re: Cars, engines... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-12 06:58 +0000
                                                                                Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-12 02:23 -0500
                                                                                Re: Cars, engines... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-17 23:11 +1100
                                                                                  Re: Cars, engines... Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2025-12-17 12:28 -0600
                                                                                    Re: Cars, engines... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-17 18:39 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-17 22:08 -0500
                                                                                      Re: Cars, engines... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-18 22:55 +1100
                                                                                    Re: Cars, engines... pH <wNOSPAMp@gmail.org> - 2025-12-18 06:01 +0000
                                                                            Re: Cars, engines... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-12 11:29 +0000
                                                                              Re: Cars, engines... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-12 17:31 +0000
                                                                                Re: Cars, engines... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-15 17:50 +0000
                                                                              Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-13 00:13 -0500
                                                                                Re: Cars, engines... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-13 06:18 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-13 02:08 -0500
                                                                                    Re: Cars, engines... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-13 19:44 +0000
                                                                                      Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-13 23:46 -0500
                                                                                        Re: Cars, engines... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-14 09:12 +0000
                                                                                Re: Cars, engines... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-14 20:29 +0100
                                                                                Re: Cars, engines... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-15 17:54 +0000
                                                                            Re: Cars, engines... Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-15 23:01 +1100
                                                                              Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-15 22:24 -0500
                                                                                Re: Cars, engines... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-16 07:44 +0000
                                                                                Re: Cars, engines... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-16 10:48 +0000
                                                                          Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-11 23:02 -0500
                                                                            Re: Cars, engines... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-12 06:52 +0000
                                                                              Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-12 02:19 -0500
                                                                                Re: Cars, engines... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-12 08:14 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Cars, engines... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-12 22:35 -0500
                                                                                    Re: Cars, engines... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-13 06:03 +0000
                                                                              Re: Cars, engines... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-12 14:25 +0100
                                                                            Re: Cars, engines... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-12 14:23 +0100
                                                              Re: Double booting Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-09 22:50 +1100
                                                                Re: Double booting "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-09 14:48 +0100
                                                                  Re: Double booting Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-09 18:50 +0000
                                                                    Re: Double booting rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-09 21:28 +0000
                                                                  Re: Double booting Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-11 22:21 +1100
                                                                    Re: Double booting "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 12:56 +0100
                                                                    Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-11 12:32 +0000
                                                                Re: Double booting Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-09 18:46 +0000
                                                                Re: Double booting c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-09 20:47 -0500
                                                            Re: Double booting rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 22:39 +0000
                                                              Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-09 10:08 +0000
                                                                Re: Double booting Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-09 22:57 +1100
                                                                  Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-09 14:09 +0000
                                                                    Re: Double booting "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-09 15:50 +0100
                                                                      Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-09 19:11 +0000
                                                                        Re: Double booting rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-09 20:20 +0000
                                                                          Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 10:27 +0000
                                                                            Re: Double booting c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-10 05:57 -0500
                                                                              Wheels "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 11:20 +0100
                                                                                Re: Wheels Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-11 18:51 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Wheels "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 20:21 +0100
                                                                                Re: Wheels Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-11 19:40 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Wheels "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 22:29 +0100
                                                                                Re: Wheels rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-11 21:23 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Wheels "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-12 14:44 +0100
                                                                                    Re: Wheels rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-12 19:12 +0000
                                                                                      Re: Wheels "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-13 23:55 +0100
                                                                                        Re: Wheels rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-14 01:36 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Wheels Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-17 23:51 +1100
                                                                                          Re: Wheels "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-18 23:07 +0100
                                                                                            Re: Wheels rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-19 03:24 +0000
                                                                                              Re: Wheels Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2025-12-19 00:55 -0600
                                                                                                Re: Wheels "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-19 15:46 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: Wheels rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-19 19:09 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: Wheels "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-19 22:42 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: Wheels c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-20 03:56 -0500
                                                                                                    Rubber "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-20 13:32 +0100
                                                                                                      Re: Rubber Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-12-20 13:37 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: Rubber rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-21 02:06 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: Rubber Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-20 12:26 -0500
                                                                                                        Re: Rubber Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-20 20:45 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: Rubber rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-21 02:03 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: Rubber Don_from_AZ <djatechNOSPAM@comcast.net.invalid> - 2025-12-20 21:38 -0700
                                                                                                              Re: Rubber candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-12-24 14:10 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: Rubber Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-22 01:00 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: Rubber rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-21 01:52 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: Rubber "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-29 22:26 +0100
                                                                                              Re: Wheels Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-19 05:06 -0500
                                                                                                Re: Wheels rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-19 18:48 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: Wheels Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-19 19:26 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: Wheels "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-19 22:49 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: Wheels rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-20 05:01 +0000
                                                                                              Re: Wheels Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-19 22:48 +1100
                                                                                                Re: Wheels "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-19 15:51 +0100
                                                                                                Re: Wheels rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-19 18:54 +0000
                                                                                                Re: Wheels c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-20 01:50 -0500
                                                                                                  Re: Wheels "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-20 13:47 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: Wheels rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-21 01:48 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: Wheels rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-21 01:42 +0000
                                                                                Re: Wheels c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-11 23:15 -0500
                                                                                  Re: Wheels "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-12 14:50 +0100
                                                                        Re: Double booting "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-10 03:20 +0100
                                                                          Re: Double booting c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-10 00:22 -0500
                                                                            Re: Double booting "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 11:22 +0100
                                                                              Re: Double booting c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-11 23:20 -0500
                                                                                Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-12 11:42 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Double booting c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-13 01:48 -0500
                                                                                Re: Double booting "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-12 14:54 +0100
                                                                                  Re: Double booting Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-18 00:14 +1100
                                                                                    Re: Double booting c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-17 22:06 -0500
                                                                          Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 10:54 +0000
                                                                    Re: Double booting Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-11 22:23 +1100
                                                                      Re: Double booting "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 12:57 +0100
                                                                      Re: Double booting The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-11 12:39 +0000
                                                                  Re: Double booting Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-09 19:02 +0000
                                                            Re: Double booting Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-08 22:51 +0000
                                                        Re: Double booting c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-07 22:04 -0500
                                                        Re: Double booting John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-12-08 09:16 -0800
                                                  Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-06 12:17 +0000
                                                Re: The "Standards" Game Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-05 22:19 -0500
                                                  Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-06 23:02 +1100
                                                    Re: The "Standards" Game Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-06 07:59 -0500
                                                      Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-07 00:20 +1100
                                        Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-05 22:54 +1100
                                          Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-05 21:34 -0500
                                            Re: The "Standards" Game Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-05 22:22 -0500
                                              Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-05 23:26 -0500
                                              Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-06 12:16 +0000
                                            Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-06 12:13 +0000
                                  Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-01 21:41 -0500
                                    Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-02 05:50 +0000
                                      Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-02 10:51 +0000
                                        Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-02 20:32 -0500
                                          Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-03 11:17 +0000
                                            Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-03 21:43 -0500
                                              Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-04 07:09 +0000
                                      Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-02 04:43 -0500
                                    Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-02 10:50 +0000
                                      Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-02 20:31 -0500
                                        Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-03 11:15 +0000
                                      Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-05 23:21 +1100
                            Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-01 09:40 +0000
                              Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-01 04:53 -0500
                                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-01 10:17 +0000
                                  Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-01 05:55 -0500
                                    Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-01 22:27 +1100
                                      Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-01 22:09 -0500
                                        Re: The "Standards" Game Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-02 01:56 -0500
                                          Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-02 11:00 +0000
                                            Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-02 21:27 +0100
                                              Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-02 20:41 +0000
                                            Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-02 20:37 -0500
                                              Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-03 11:19 +0000
                                          Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-02 20:26 -0500
                                          Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-05 23:37 +1100
                                        Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-02 10:57 +0000
                                    Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-01 11:30 +0000
                                      Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-01 22:46 -0500
                                        Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-02 21:40 +0100
                                          Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-02 20:46 +0000
                                            Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-03 00:12 -0500
                                              Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-03 11:31 +0000
                                              Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-03 16:53 +0000
                                                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-03 20:18 +0000
                                                Shareholder primacy (was: Re: The "Standards" Game) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-04 00:10 +0000
                                                  Re: Shareholder primacy (was: Re: The "Standards" Game) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-04 02:28 +0000
                                                    Re: Shareholder primacy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-04 12:24 +0000
                                                      Re: Shareholder primacy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-04 18:24 +0000
                                                        Re: Shareholder primacy John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-12-04 11:08 -0800
                                                          Re: Shareholder primacy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-04 23:18 +0000
                                                            Re: Shareholder primacy c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-05 03:55 -0500
                                                              Re: Shareholder primacy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-05 18:45 +0000
                                                                Re: Shareholder primacy c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-06 04:24 -0500
                                                                  Re: Shareholder primacy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-06 11:55 +0000
                                                                    Re: Shareholder primacy c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-06 23:48 -0500
                                                                      Re: Shareholder primacy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-07 11:33 +0000
                                                                Re: Shareholder primacy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-06 11:52 +0000
                                                              Re: Shareholder primacy Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-06 23:44 +1100
                                                          Re: Shareholder primacy Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-12-06 23:40 +1100
                                                  Re: Shareholder primacy c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-03 21:38 -0500
                                                    Re: Shareholder primacy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-04 07:12 +0000
                                                      Re: Shareholder primacy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-04 12:35 +0000
                                                    Re: Shareholder primacy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-04 12:26 +0000
                                                      Re: Shareholder primacy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-04 18:20 +0000
                                                        Re: Shareholder primacy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-04 19:28 +0000
                                                  Re: Shareholder primacy (was: Re: The "Standards" Game) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-12-04 08:06 -0800
                                                    Re: Shareholder primacy Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-12-04 14:36 -0500
                                    Re: The "Standards" Game Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2025-12-01 12:25 -0600
                                  Re: The "Standards" Game Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-01 18:35 +0000
                                    Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-01 19:19 +0000
                                  Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-01 21:29 +0000
                                    Re: Fighter Jets (The "Standards" Game) Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-02 02:42 +0000
                                      Re: Fighter Jets (The "Standards" Game) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-02 06:13 +0000
                                        Re: Fighter Jets (The "Standards" Game) Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-03 14:44 +0000
                        Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-01 09:39 +0000
                          Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-01 04:51 -0500
                  Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-30 14:41 +0100
              Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-29 13:29 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-29 22:12 -0500
          Re: The "Standards" Game Sam E <no.email@here.invalid> - 2025-11-28 17:29 +0000
            Re: The "Standards" Game Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-28 21:37 +0000

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#78855 — Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags...

FromNuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid>
Date2025-12-11 23:40 +0000
SubjectRe: Shopping carts, baskets, bags...
Message-ID<10hfkpj$2ib36$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#78794
On 2025-12-11, Carlos E.R. wrote:

> On 2025-12-11 05:31, c186282 wrote:
>> On 12/10/25 08:23, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>> On 2025-12-10 04:26, c186282 wrote:
>>>>    If you use a 'permanent' bag, esp from THAT store,
>>>>    they'll claim you STOLE it from them ....
>>>
>>> Nope. They stamp them when they sell them :-)
>>
>>    Unless the under-paid guy FORGETS ...
>
> Hardly... when I buy a new bag and put it on the belt, they scan the
> barcode to charge it, then stamp it, or just scratch the barcode with
> a ballpen.

I've seen shops with cashiers doing that too. I suppose you can imagine
a problem with this: stores that sell such bags *and* have
self-checkouts. Which renders the whole thing useless to keep track of
already paid-for bags.


-- 
Nuno Silva

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#78859 — Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags...

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2025-12-12 03:35 +0100
SubjectRe: Shopping carts, baskets, bags...
Message-ID<3kbs0mxutr.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#78855
On 2025-12-12 00:40, Nuno Silva wrote:
> On 2025-12-11, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> 
>> On 2025-12-11 05:31, c186282 wrote:
>>> On 12/10/25 08:23, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>> On 2025-12-10 04:26, c186282 wrote:
>>>>>     If you use a 'permanent' bag, esp from THAT store,
>>>>>     they'll claim you STOLE it from them ....
>>>>
>>>> Nope. They stamp them when they sell them :-)
>>>
>>>     Unless the under-paid guy FORGETS ...
>>
>> Hardly... when I buy a new bag and put it on the belt, they scan the
>> barcode to charge it, then stamp it, or just scratch the barcode with
>> a ballpen.
> 
> I've seen shops with cashiers doing that too. I suppose you can imagine
> a problem with this: stores that sell such bags *and* have
> self-checkouts. Which renders the whole thing useless to keep track of
> already paid-for bags.

:-)

They put the new bags in the manned lane, not on the self-checkouts lane ;-)


I guess they get some "mistakes" in the self-checkout area, but not that 
many to be important.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#78626 — Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags...

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2025-12-10 03:30 +0000
SubjectRe: Shopping carts, baskets, bags...
Message-ID<mps7qkFjqglU3@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#78617
On Wed, 10 Dec 2025 03:38:46 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:

> They charge for each plastic bag you get on the exit cashier, and they
> encourage people to buy reusable bags. Thus, we have to enter the shop
> with empty reusable bags. It is their doing, not ours. Well, government
> regulation, actually. Pushed by the EU.

They encourage people to use them in the US. I have several but seldom 
have them with me. Besides, the plastic bags come in handy when cleaning 
the litter box.

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#78627 — Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags...

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2025-12-09 23:09 -0500
SubjectRe: Shopping carts, baskets, bags...
Message-ID<ZyGdneOKmsbBb6X0nZ2dnZfqn_udnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#78626
On 12/9/25 22:30, rbowman wrote:
> On Wed, 10 Dec 2025 03:38:46 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> 
>> They charge for each plastic bag you get on the exit cashier, and they
>> encourage people to buy reusable bags. Thus, we have to enter the shop
>> with empty reusable bags. It is their doing, not ours. Well, government
>> regulation, actually. Pushed by the EU.
> 
> They encourage people to use them in the US. I have several but seldom
> have them with me. Besides, the plastic bags come in handy when cleaning
> the litter box.

   USA, outside the People's Republic of California, we
   get so many plastic bags we can barely deal with them.
   Some supermarkets have bins for them ... but the
   regular trash service doesn't want them.

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#78662 — Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags...

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2025-12-10 11:03 +0000
SubjectRe: Shopping carts, baskets, bags...
Message-ID<10hbk1p$1di3b$19@dont-email.me>
In reply to#78627
On 10/12/2025 04:09, c186282 wrote:
> On 12/9/25 22:30, rbowman wrote:
>> On Wed, 10 Dec 2025 03:38:46 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>
>>> They charge for each plastic bag you get on the exit cashier, and they
>>> encourage people to buy reusable bags. Thus, we have to enter the shop
>>> with empty reusable bags. It is their doing, not ours. Well, government
>>> regulation, actually. Pushed by the EU.
>>
>> They encourage people to use them in the US. I have several but seldom
>> have them with me. Besides, the plastic bags come in handy when cleaning
>> the litter box.
> 
>    USA, outside the People's Republic of California, we
>    get so many plastic bags we can barely deal with them.
>    Some supermarkets have bins for them ... but the
>    regular trash service doesn't want them.
> Supermarkets now cfharge a pooit for them and the same for non displsable ones so peole got used to pringing the min diusposable iones nacck in.

Of course *everything* you buy comes in a plastic bag, wrapper, or other 
container.

(actually I have about 10 porcelain and earthenware dishes that were 
sold containing paté: Great for making individual pies in. The paté now 
comes in plastic...)

-- 
“People believe certain stories because everyone important tells them, 
and people tell those stories because everyone important believes them. 
Indeed, when a conventional wisdom is at its fullest strength, one’s 
agreement with that conventional wisdom becomes almost a litmus test of 
one’s suitability to be taken seriously.”

Paul Krugman

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#78695 — Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags...

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2025-12-10 14:37 +0100
SubjectRe: Shopping carts, baskets, bags...
Message-ID<tk9o0mxr7p.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#78627
On 2025-12-10 05:09, c186282 wrote:
> On 12/9/25 22:30, rbowman wrote:
>> On Wed, 10 Dec 2025 03:38:46 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>
>>> They charge for each plastic bag you get on the exit cashier, and they
>>> encourage people to buy reusable bags. Thus, we have to enter the shop
>>> with empty reusable bags. It is their doing, not ours. Well, government
>>> regulation, actually. Pushed by the EU.
>>
>> They encourage people to use them in the US. I have several but seldom
>> have them with me. Besides, the plastic bags come in handy when cleaning
>> the litter box.
> 
>    USA, outside the People's Republic of California, we
>    get so many plastic bags we can barely deal with them.
>    Some supermarkets have bins for them ... but the
>    regular trash service doesn't want them.

We no longer get plastic bags on supermarkets, you have to pay for each 
one, and often they degrade fast.

Only some shops still use plastic bags, like pharmacies. Food stores, no.

I have a garbage container, and I basically need to purchase garbage 
bags of certain sizes. Not that easy to reuse plastic bags from 
supermarkets.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#78705 — Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags...

FromPaul <nospam@needed.invalid>
Date2025-12-10 10:09 -0500
SubjectRe: Shopping carts, baskets, bags...
Message-ID<10hc2g4$1j2nc$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#78695
On Wed, 12/10/2025 8:37 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2025-12-10 05:09, c186282 wrote:
>> On 12/9/25 22:30, rbowman wrote:
>>> On Wed, 10 Dec 2025 03:38:46 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>
>>>> They charge for each plastic bag you get on the exit cashier, and they
>>>> encourage people to buy reusable bags. Thus, we have to enter the shop
>>>> with empty reusable bags. It is their doing, not ours. Well, government
>>>> regulation, actually. Pushed by the EU.
>>>
>>> They encourage people to use them in the US. I have several but seldom
>>> have them with me. Besides, the plastic bags come in handy when cleaning
>>> the litter box.
>>
>>    USA, outside the People's Republic of California, we
>>    get so many plastic bags we can barely deal with them.
>>    Some supermarkets have bins for them ... but the
>>    regular trash service doesn't want them.
> 
> We no longer get plastic bags on supermarkets, you have to pay for each one, and often they degrade fast.
> 
> Only some shops still use plastic bags, like pharmacies. Food stores, no.
> 
> I have a garbage container, and I basically need to purchase garbage bags of certain sizes. Not that easy to reuse plastic bags from supermarkets.
> 

The new supermarket bags haven't solved any problems and
are no more recycle-able than the old ones.

One other country had the right idea -- the stores went
from legacy bags, to no bags at all, which stops the problem
right in its tracks.

   Paul

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#78790 — Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags...

FromDaniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org>
Date2025-12-11 21:43 +1100
SubjectRe: Shopping carts, baskets, bags...
Message-ID<10he78q$259a5$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#78695
On 11/12/2025 12:37 am, Carlos E.R. wrote:

<Snip>

> I have a garbage container, and I basically need to purchase garbage 
> bags of certain sizes. Not that easy to reuse plastic bags from 
> supermarkets.
> 
I have about 30-40 of the old "Single Use" shopping bags (I kept 
forgetting to take them back next time I went shopping!!) so I use them 
as 'kitchen bin liners'. Slowly working my way through them .... just 
don't produce much waste!!

And now we have Four (Count them, four) rubbish bins ... General waste, 
Food & Garden waste (i.e. decomposable stuff), Cardboard & Plastic 
Waste, and Glass waste.

I think only the 'Food & Garden waste' gets collected every week, the 
others alternate. ..... or something like that. ;-)
-- 
Daniel70

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#78797 — Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags...

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2025-12-11 12:17 +0100
SubjectRe: Shopping carts, baskets, bags...
Message-ID<lqlq0mxji3.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#78790
On 2025-12-11 11:43, Daniel70 wrote:
> On 11/12/2025 12:37 am, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> 
> <Snip>
> 
>> I have a garbage container, and I basically need to purchase garbage 
>> bags of certain sizes. Not that easy to reuse plastic bags from 
>> supermarkets.
>>
> I have about 30-40 of the old "Single Use" shopping bags (I kept 
> forgetting to take them back next time I went shopping!!) so I use them 
> as 'kitchen bin liners'. Slowly working my way through them .... just 
> don't produce much waste!!
> 
> And now we have Four (Count them, four) rubbish bins ... General waste, 
> Food & Garden waste (i.e. decomposable stuff), Cardboard & Plastic 
> Waste, and Glass waste.
> 
> I think only the 'Food & Garden waste' gets collected every week, the 
> others alternate. ..... or something like that. ;-)

We have different classifications depending on the city. But usually it is

  decomposable stuff,
  bricks, tins, and food containers
  the rest
  glass
  batteries
  cardboard & paper
  medicines
  clothes that can be reused, toys, shoes. For charities.
  I may have forgotten some.

No special days, we just go down to the street and put your bag in the 
correct container. We don't know when it will be picked.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#78818 — Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags...

FromLars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com>
Date2025-12-11 18:39 +0000
SubjectRe: Shopping carts, baskets, bags...
Message-ID<slrn10jm3vt.18nuq.lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com>
In reply to#78790
On 2025-12-11, Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
> I have about 30-40 of the old "Single Use" shopping bags (I kept 
> forgetting to take them back next time I went shopping!!) so I use them 
> as 'kitchen bin liners'. Slowly working my way through them .... just 
> don't produce much waste!!
>
> And now we have Four (Count them, four) rubbish bins ... General waste, 
> Food & Garden waste (i.e. decomposable stuff), Cardboard & Plastic 
> Waste, and Glass waste.
>
> I think only the 'Food & Garden waste' gets collected every week, the 
> others alternate. ..... or something like that. ;-)

In my city, we have 3 kinds of bins, all collected weekly:
- greenwaste: compostable plant material from gardening. No food waste
  allowed so as not to get rats in the composting facility.
  Also no bamboo or succulents (which is most of our garden plants);
  those have to go in the trash bin
- commingled recyclables - Hard plastics, glass jars, cardboard, paper,
  soup cans. But no pizza boxes or other things contaminated with food.
- trash: Everything else. 

-- 
Lars Poulsen - an old geek in Santa Barbara, California

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#78868 — Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags...

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2025-12-11 23:34 -0500
SubjectRe: Shopping carts, baskets, bags...
Message-ID<3p-cnS-RUa7tBqb0nZ2dnZfqn_udnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#78790
On 12/11/25 05:43, Daniel70 wrote:
> On 11/12/2025 12:37 am, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> 
> <Snip>
> 
>> I have a garbage container, and I basically need to purchase garbage 
>> bags of certain sizes. Not that easy to reuse plastic bags from 
>> supermarkets.
>>
> I have about 30-40 of the old "Single Use" shopping bags (I kept 
> forgetting to take them back next time I went shopping!!) so I use them 
> as 'kitchen bin liners'. Slowly working my way through them .... just 
> don't produce much waste!!
> 
> And now we have Four (Count them, four) rubbish bins ... General waste, 
> Food & Garden waste (i.e. decomposable stuff), Cardboard & Plastic 
> Waste, and Glass waste.
> 
> I think only the 'Food & Garden waste' gets collected every week, the 
> others alternate. ..... or something like that. ;-)

   I've never SEEN a "single use" bag.

   Anyway, check Amazon ... search for 'green'
   or 'compostable' bags. They come in lots of
   sizes. Best compromise these days ... practical
   but at least KIND OF 'green'.

   WAS buying a brand, which disappeared, but they
   were SO thin you'd often have to tie the bag,
   then tie another bag around it just to deal
   with the little holes. The new ones are thicker.

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#78894 — Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags...

FromDaniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org>
Date2025-12-12 21:37 +1100
SubjectRe: Shopping carts, baskets, bags...
Message-ID<10hgr93$2rdj0$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#78868
On 12/12/2025 3:34 pm, c186282 wrote:
> On 12/11/25 05:43, Daniel70 wrote:
>> On 11/12/2025 12:37 am, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>
>> <Snip>
>>
>>> I have a garbage container, and I basically need to purchase garbage 
>>> bags of certain sizes. Not that easy to reuse plastic bags from 
>>> supermarkets.
>>>
>> I have about 30-40 of the old "Single Use" shopping bags (I kept 
>> forgetting to take them back next time I went shopping!!) so I use 
>> them as 'kitchen bin liners'. Slowly working my way through them .... 
>> just don't produce much waste!!
>>
>> And now we have Four (Count them, four) rubbish bins ... General 
>> waste, Food & Garden waste (i.e. decomposable stuff), Cardboard & 
>> Plastic Waste, and Glass waste.
>>
>> I think only the 'Food & Garden waste' gets collected every week, the 
>> others alternate. ..... or something like that. ;-)
> 
>    I've never SEEN a "single use" bag.
> 
>    Anyway, check Amazon ... search for 'green'
>    or 'compostable' bags. They come in lots of
>    sizes. Best compromise these days ... practical
>    but at least KIND OF 'green'.

For some weeks, my sister (who lives locally) was getting serious about 
her garden so would easily fill her 'Recyclables' bin then she would 
bring three of those big bags (full of her garden waste) and dump them, 
out of the bags, into my (usually) almost empty bin.

By about week three, my sister had read the BIG print on those bags so 
knew they were compostible so dumped them (bag and all) into my Bin.

>    WAS buying a brand, which disappeared, but they
>    were SO thin you'd often have to tie the bag,
>    then tie another bag around it just to deal
>    with the little holes. The new ones are thicker.
-- 
Daniel70

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#78632 — Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags...

FromBobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com>
Date2025-12-09 21:27 -0800
SubjectRe: Shopping carts, baskets, bags...
Message-ID<10hb0cd$1a5kd$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#78626

On 12/9/25 19:30, rbowman wrote:
> On Wed, 10 Dec 2025 03:38:46 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> 
>> They charge for each plastic bag you get on the exit cashier, and they
>> encourage people to buy reusable bags. Thus, we have to enter the shop
>> with empty reusable bags. It is their doing, not ours. Well, government
>> regulation, actually. Pushed by the EU.
> 
> They encourage people to use them in the US. I have several but seldom
> have them with me. Besides, the plastic bags come in handy when cleaning
> the litter box.
> 

	Maybe they encourage people to use them in your vicinity, city, county, 
state but in
San Francisco City, County of San Francisco, State of California we are 
discouraged from
single use bags.  As far as it goes when I read in one of those 
underground newspapers,
possibly the LA Star, that animal were badly affected by the use of such 
bags I started
buying reusable bags, and hold my self-bestowed title of the Old Bag 
with a Bag Full of
Bags.  That started about 45 years back.
	So nice paper bags at the stores I shop at though I seldom use them.
	The plastic bags for fruit and vegetable are made out of starch based 
material.
	I hear that there are problems with those as they disintegrate but they 
go into
landfills where they can do it peacefully.
	
	bliss

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#78634 — Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags...

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2025-12-10 01:42 -0500
SubjectRe: Shopping carts, baskets, bags...
Message-ID<QvycnZl6NqnXi6T0nZ2dnZfqn_qdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#78632
On 12/10/25 00:27, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
> 
> 
> On 12/9/25 19:30, rbowman wrote:
>> On Wed, 10 Dec 2025 03:38:46 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>
>>> They charge for each plastic bag you get on the exit cashier, and they
>>> encourage people to buy reusable bags. Thus, we have to enter the shop
>>> with empty reusable bags. It is their doing, not ours. Well, government
>>> regulation, actually. Pushed by the EU.
>>
>> They encourage people to use them in the US. I have several but seldom
>> have them with me. Besides, the plastic bags come in handy when cleaning
>> the litter box.
>>
> 
>      Maybe they encourage people to use them in your vicinity, city, 
> county, state but in
> San Francisco City, County of San Francisco, State of California we are 
> discouraged from
> single use bags.  As far as it goes when I read in one of those 
> underground newspapers,
> possibly the LA Star, that animal were badly affected by the use of such 
> bags I started
> buying reusable bags, and hold my self-bestowed title of the Old Bag 
> with a Bag Full of
> Bags.  That started about 45 years back.
>      So nice paper bags at the stores I shop at though I seldom use them.
>      The plastic bags for fruit and vegetable are made out of starch 
> based material.
>      I hear that there are problems with those as they disintegrate but 
> they go into
> landfills where they can do it peacefully.

   Cannot imagine MUCH impact on the wildlife from
   ordinary thin plastic bags. They tear easily, even
   a mouse could get free. My guess is that you got
   an OD of Greenie Propaganda.

   Of course it doesn't HURT anything to police your
   plastic bags, so if you think you're Doing Something ...

   The starch-based 'plastic' ... may depend on the exact
   formulation. Some of the originals either came all
   apart after just a few days exposure to moisture,
   letting yer tomatoes and such escape or let nasty
   germs get to your food - OR they were big lies and
   NEVER disintegrated or merely came apart into some
   smaller bits of forever plastic so it SEEMED they
   were 'green' to the eye.

   I think the newer ones are more better.

   Starch/sugar/protein-based IS a good idea ... but
   getting exactly the right performance seems a
   bit difficult (esp for $$$-oriented corps).

   Alas, what YOU want to use a particular bag for
   may be the most confounding factor - you may
   want them to fall apart, or keep the family
   photos and such protected for 100 years.

   Been using bio/compostable bags for quite awhile
   now for the trash. Maybe they're imperfect but
   at least they're a half step beyond pure linear
   12-mil black polyethylene. "Green" CAN be - and
   too often is - evil due to politics, but it doesn't
   HAVE to be. There's a middle path.

   The latest "Plastic Scare" ... don't really buy
   into that. There has been massive use of PE and
   other plastics since WW2 - 80 years ! Everything
   is made of, packaged in, covered by, coated
   with, some or another kind of plastic. Remember
   the advice to The Graduate. The species has not
   fallen apart. Lifespan is way up. Closest depop
   cause ... The Pill, not the plastic thingie
   they come in.

   But of course the News insists your brain is 80%
   evil plastic specks now !

   You have been assimilated ... resistance is futile :-)

   Hmmmm ... have an instinct that sugar/protein 'plastic'
   might be better than fooling with starches - easy to
   micro-tweak proteins, and the sugars are the molecular
   glue .....

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#78666 — Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags...

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2025-12-10 11:16 +0000
SubjectRe: Shopping carts, baskets, bags...
Message-ID<10hbkqn$1di3b$21@dont-email.me>
In reply to#78634
On 10/12/2025 06:42, c186282 wrote:
> On 12/10/25 00:27, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 12/9/25 19:30, rbowman wrote:
>>> On Wed, 10 Dec 2025 03:38:46 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>
>>>> They charge for each plastic bag you get on the exit cashier, and they
>>>> encourage people to buy reusable bags. Thus, we have to enter the shop
>>>> with empty reusable bags. It is their doing, not ours. Well, government
>>>> regulation, actually. Pushed by the EU.
>>>
>>> They encourage people to use them in the US. I have several but seldom
>>> have them with me. Besides, the plastic bags come in handy when cleaning
>>> the litter box.
>>>
>>
>>      Maybe they encourage people to use them in your vicinity, city, 
>> county, state but in
>> San Francisco City, County of San Francisco, State of California we 
>> are discouraged from
>> single use bags.  As far as it goes when I read in one of those 
>> underground newspapers,
>> possibly the LA Star, that animal were badly affected by the use of 
>> such bags I started
>> buying reusable bags, and hold my self-bestowed title of the Old Bag 
>> with a Bag Full of
>> Bags.  That started about 45 years back.
>>      So nice paper bags at the stores I shop at though I seldom use them.
>>      The plastic bags for fruit and vegetable are made out of starch 
>> based material.
>>      I hear that there are problems with those as they disintegrate 
>> but they go into
>> landfills where they can do it peacefully.
> 
>    Cannot imagine MUCH impact on the wildlife from
>    ordinary thin plastic bags. They tear easily, even
>    a mouse could get free. My guess is that you got
>    an OD of Greenie Propaganda.
Well you gotta love the people from the village who bring their dogs 
walking in the woods, and scoop the poop into plastic nags, and finding 
no bins for them ,  *hang them on the trees* thereby increasing total 
pollution and stopping the natural processes of poop digestion happening.

> 
>    Of course it doesn't HURT anything to police your
>    plastic bags, so if you think you're Doing Something ...
> 
>    The starch-based 'plastic' ... may depend on the exact
>    formulation. Some of the originals either came all
>    apart after just a few days exposure to moisture,
>    letting yer tomatoes and such escape or let nasty
>    germs get to your food - OR they were big lies and
>    NEVER disintegrated or merely came apart into some
>    smaller bits of forever plastic so it SEEMED they
>    were 'green' to the eye.
> 
Most 'green tech' is virtue signalling bullshit.

>    I think the newer ones are more better.
> 
>    Starch/sugar/protein-based IS a good idea ... but
>    getting exactly the right performance seems a
>    bit difficult (esp for $$$-oriented corps).
> 
What IS the right performance anyway?
Your computer monitor turns to bio-goo in 5 years?
Great, thanks.

Plastic is made for burning. Just scrub the flues to get rid of the 
chlorine, sulhur  and make it hot enough to break down the dioxins.
And generate some power as well.
Of course greens *hate* that because its too sensible.

>    But of course the News insists your brain is 80%
>    evil plastic specks now !
> 
I tend to wonder if that isn't true in the case of Greens.

>    You have been assimilated ... resistance is futile :-)
> 
>    Hmmmm ... have an instinct that sugar/protein 'plastic'
>    might be better than fooling with starches - easy to
>    micro-tweak proteins, and the sugars are the molecular
>    glue .....
> 
Back in the day we made stuff out of wood.


-- 
Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's 
too dark to read.

Groucho Marx


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#78680 — Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags...

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2025-12-10 07:03 -0500
SubjectRe: Shopping carts, baskets, bags...
Message-ID<QSCdnbwXY9oA_KT0nZ2dnZfqn_WdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#78666
On 12/10/25 06:16, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 10/12/2025 06:42, c186282 wrote:
>> On 12/10/25 00:27, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12/9/25 19:30, rbowman wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 10 Dec 2025 03:38:46 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> They charge for each plastic bag you get on the exit cashier, and they
>>>>> encourage people to buy reusable bags. Thus, we have to enter the shop
>>>>> with empty reusable bags. It is their doing, not ours. Well, 
>>>>> government
>>>>> regulation, actually. Pushed by the EU.
>>>>
>>>> They encourage people to use them in the US. I have several but seldom
>>>> have them with me. Besides, the plastic bags come in handy when 
>>>> cleaning
>>>> the litter box.
>>>>
>>>
>>>      Maybe they encourage people to use them in your vicinity, city, 
>>> county, state but in
>>> San Francisco City, County of San Francisco, State of California we 
>>> are discouraged from
>>> single use bags.  As far as it goes when I read in one of those 
>>> underground newspapers,
>>> possibly the LA Star, that animal were badly affected by the use of 
>>> such bags I started
>>> buying reusable bags, and hold my self-bestowed title of the Old Bag 
>>> with a Bag Full of
>>> Bags.  That started about 45 years back.
>>>      So nice paper bags at the stores I shop at though I seldom use 
>>> them.
>>>      The plastic bags for fruit and vegetable are made out of starch 
>>> based material.
>>>      I hear that there are problems with those as they disintegrate 
>>> but they go into
>>> landfills where they can do it peacefully.
>>
>>    Cannot imagine MUCH impact on the wildlife from
>>    ordinary thin plastic bags. They tear easily, even
>>    a mouse could get free. My guess is that you got
>>    an OD of Greenie Propaganda.
> Well you gotta love the people from the village who bring their dogs 
> walking in the woods, and scoop the poop into plastic nags, and finding 
> no bins for them ,  *hang them on the trees* thereby increasing total 
> pollution and stopping the natural processes of poop digestion happening.


   Oh ... wow ...........

   Maybe WAY too much acid back in the day ???


>>    Of course it doesn't HURT anything to police your
>>    plastic bags, so if you think you're Doing Something ...
>>
>>    The starch-based 'plastic' ... may depend on the exact
>>    formulation. Some of the originals either came all
>>    apart after just a few days exposure to moisture,
>>    letting yer tomatoes and such escape or let nasty
>>    germs get to your food - OR they were big lies and
>>    NEVER disintegrated or merely came apart into some
>>    smaller bits of forever plastic so it SEEMED they
>>    were 'green' to the eye.
>>
> Most 'green tech' is virtue signalling bullshit.
> 
>>    I think the newer ones are more better.
>>
>>    Starch/sugar/protein-based IS a good idea ... but
>>    getting exactly the right performance seems a
>>    bit difficult (esp for $$$-oriented corps).
>>
> What IS the right performance anyway?
> Your computer monitor turns to bio-goo in 5 years?
> Great, thanks.

   For the purpose, the correct plastic. No one-size-fits-all
   solution here. SOME plastic stuff should be kind of 'forever'.
   Yer garbage bags ... not nearly so much.

> Plastic is made for burning. Just scrub the flues to get rid of the 
> chlorine, sulhur  and make it hot enough to break down the dioxins.
> And generate some power as well.
> Of course greens *hate* that because its too sensible.

   Burning many kinds of plastic DOES generate a lot
   of toxic stuff, maybe worse than coal.

>>    But of course the News insists your brain is 80%
>>    evil plastic specks now !
>>
> I tend to wonder if that isn't true in the case of Greens.

   Some ... I do suspect ......

   Hanging bags of dog shit ?

   Yep  :-)

>>    You have been assimilated ... resistance is futile :-)
>>
>>    Hmmmm ... have an instinct that sugar/protein 'plastic'
>>    might be better than fooling with starches - easy to
>>    micro-tweak proteins, and the sugars are the molecular
>>    glue .....
>>
> Back in the day we made stuff out of wood.

   Wood, ie paper, does work pretty good for a lot
   of things. However plastic is best at keeping
   bacteria and such out of your lunch.

   Oh, we're kinda using up all the wood. Weeds/hemp
   ought to be substituted as much as possible ... but,
   for now, they won't.

   Hmmm ... saw a vid about central Africa, maybe Nigeria.
   The locals there collect plastic bags and bottles and
   throw them all into a melting pot. Then they throw in
   a lot of plain sand. The result is a kind of 'stone',
   the plastic glues the sand together. They sell 'em for
   paving stones, even bricks to build ordinary houses from.
   The exact mix/composition isn't THAT important. A house
   built from such stuff ought to last 50+ years and no
   bugs will eat it. 100+ years with some minimal UV
   protection .....

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#78681 — Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags...

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2025-12-10 12:05 +0000
SubjectRe: Shopping carts, baskets, bags...
Message-ID<10hbnn5$1fjnp$5@dont-email.me>
In reply to#78680
On 10/12/2025 12:03, c186282 wrote:
> Burning many kinds of plastic DOES generate a lot
>    of toxic stuff, maybe worse than coal.

If you burn it hot enough what you get is elements, and scrubbers get 
rid of those easily.

-- 
  “A leader is best When people barely know he exists. Of a good leader, 
who talks little,When his work is done, his aim fulfilled,They will say, 
“We did this ourselves.”

― Lao Tzu, Tao Te Ching

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#78683 — Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags...

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2025-12-10 12:11 +0000
SubjectRe: Shopping carts, baskets, bags...
Message-ID<10hbo0m$1fjnp$6@dont-email.me>
In reply to#78680
On 10/12/2025 12:03, c186282 wrote:
> Hanging bags of dog shit ?
> 
>    Yep  🙂

It;s people who are conditioned by propaganda that Dog Shit is Bad and 
has to be Disposed Of Properly, so they carry little council provided 
poop bags and put it in the council provided poop bins.

Except the council has no remit over highways and byways that are 
outside the village and on 'agricultural' land where dogs are permitted 
to shit as they please, along with foxes, badgers and weasels etc. etc.

-- 
  “A leader is best When people barely know he exists. Of a good leader, 
who talks little,When his work is done, his aim fulfilled,They will say, 
“We did this ourselves.”

― Lao Tzu, Tao Te Ching

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#78700 — Dog poo

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2025-12-10 14:51 +0100
SubjectDog poo
Message-ID<cfao0mxrjt.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#78683
On 2025-12-10 13:11, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 10/12/2025 12:03, c186282 wrote:
>> Hanging bags of dog shit ?
>>
>>    Yep  🙂
> 
> It;s people who are conditioned by propaganda that Dog Shit is Bad and 
> has to be Disposed Of Properly, so they carry little council provided 
> poop bags and put it in the council provided poop bins.

Dog poo on city pavement is a curse. Very good idea to have pet owner 
collect it.

> 
> Except the council has no remit over highways and byways that are 
> outside the village and on 'agricultural' land where dogs are permitted 
> to shit as they please, along with foxes, badgers and weasels etc. etc.
> 


-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#78704 — Re: Dog poo

Fromknuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com>
Date2025-12-10 10:08 -0500
SubjectRe: Dog poo
Message-ID<10hc2dp$1j22t$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#78700
On 12/10/2025 8:51 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2025-12-10 13:11, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 10/12/2025 12:03, c186282 wrote:
>>> Hanging bags of dog shit ?
>>>
>>>    Yep  🙂
>>
>> It;s people who are conditioned by propaganda that Dog Shit is Bad and 
>> has to be Disposed Of Properly, so they carry little council provided 
>> poop bags and put it in the council provided poop bins.
> 
> Dog poo on city pavement is a curse. Very good idea to have pet owner 
> collect it.
> 
>>
>> Except the council has no remit over highways and byways that are 
>> outside the village and on 'agricultural' land where dogs are 
>> permitted to shit as they please, along with foxes, badgers and 
>> weasels etc. etc.
>>
> 
> 
Reminds me of a short story.  There were two dog owners with their dogs 
talking on the street corner.  While the owners were talking, the dogs 
were also talking.  The one owner picks it up and puts it in the bag. 
Then one dog says to the other "I like to smell, it but to take it home 
with me; YUK."

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