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| Started by | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| First post | 2026-01-14 21:54 +0000 |
| Last post | 2026-01-24 21:36 +0000 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 200 — 26 participants |
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“7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-14 21:54 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-14 17:07 -0500
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-15 08:38 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-15 12:25 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-15 21:10 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-16 13:47 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-15 07:15 -0500
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-15 18:47 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-01-16 11:04 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-16 13:48 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-16 18:37 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-16 22:37 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-17 10:04 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-17 14:28 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-17 15:06 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-17 22:59 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-18 11:13 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-18 12:47 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-18 21:09 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-01-18 21:15 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-18 23:12 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-01-18 19:52 -0800
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-19 00:43 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-19 09:54 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-19 11:15 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-19 14:21 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-19 20:51 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-19 22:48 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-19 08:33 -0800
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-19 20:52 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-19 13:00 -0800
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-19 20:45 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-20 10:46 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-20 12:03 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-20 14:34 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-20 13:40 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-20 16:14 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-20 20:51 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-21 11:19 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-20 13:50 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-20 14:37 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-20 20:55 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-01-20 08:41 -0800
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-20 19:01 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-20 20:59 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-01-20 12:58 -0800
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” jayjwa <jayjwa@atr2.ath.cx.invalid> - 2026-01-19 13:10 -0500
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-17 10:02 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-16 18:23 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-16 07:43 -0500
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-16 14:51 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-16 18:13 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-14 23:58 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-15 03:14 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-15 00:27 -0500
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-15 18:58 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-15 21:04 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-16 13:39 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-16 21:07 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-16 22:28 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-16 21:33 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-01-17 10:39 +1000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-17 10:53 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-01-19 12:15 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-19 14:24 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-19 15:50 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-19 08:38 -0800
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-20 10:48 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-19 20:41 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-20 10:50 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-01-15 10:39 +0100
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-01-16 07:53 +1000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-01-16 10:57 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-16 20:58 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-01-17 10:25 +1000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-17 11:19 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-16 13:47 +0100
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-01-17 10:37 +1000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-17 10:00 +0100
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-01-18 07:03 +1000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-18 01:03 -0500
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-15 11:46 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-15 12:09 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-01-15 14:13 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-15 13:48 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” jayjwa <jayjwa@atr2.ath.cx.invalid> - 2026-01-15 11:22 -0500
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-15 21:05 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-15 22:35 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-01-17 12:03 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-15 18:58 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-16 08:39 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-01-16 11:06 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-15 07:09 -0500
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-15 18:50 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2026-01-15 06:19 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-15 03:00 -0500
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-16 13:44 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-15 21:14 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-15 23:47 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-16 08:35 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-16 13:48 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-16 14:57 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-16 22:31 +0100
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-01-17 10:52 +1000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-17 03:49 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-17 03:26 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-17 09:57 +0100
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> - 2026-01-17 14:12 +1000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-17 14:25 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-17 13:11 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-17 18:20 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-01-19 11:45 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-19 14:27 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to st op using - and what to use instead” vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2026-01-20 05:04 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to st op using - and what to use instead” Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-01-21 00:35 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-01-21 00:32 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-21 04:16 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-01-21 08:58 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-21 09:58 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” marrgol <marrgol@address.invalid> - 2026-01-21 11:56 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-21 12:14 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-21 12:06 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-21 11:28 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-01-22 07:14 +1000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-21 22:04 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-01-21 13:27 -0800
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-21 22:50 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-22 10:43 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-22 13:17 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-22 21:43 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-22 22:40 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-23 12:33 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-23 14:10 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-21 23:01 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-21 22:50 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@usenet.mail.kapsi.fi> - 2026-01-22 09:56 +0200
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-22 10:51 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-22 09:56 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-01-22 09:35 -0800
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-23 12:35 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-23 11:39 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-23 08:02 -0800
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-23 18:43 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-22 13:25 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2026-01-22 17:47 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-22 10:06 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2026-01-22 11:02 +0100
Re: Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2026-01-23 03:33 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-23 14:14 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-23 16:50 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-23 20:55 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-23 22:39 +0100
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2026-01-23 21:18 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-23 22:45 +0100
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-23 23:33 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" John-Paul Stewart <jpstewart@personalprojects.net> - 2026-01-23 18:51 -0500
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-24 08:49 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-24 14:33 +0100
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-24 11:11 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-24 14:15 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-25 09:44 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-25 10:25 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-25 07:02 -0500
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-25 12:39 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2026-01-28 23:44 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-29 08:49 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-25 15:12 +0100
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-26 10:46 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-26 13:13 +0100
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-27 09:02 +0100
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-27 10:10 +0100
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-27 12:44 +0100
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2026-01-27 10:21 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-27 12:44 +0100
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-26 11:56 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-24 14:30 +0100
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-01-23 21:39 -0800
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-24 14:36 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-21 04:17 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-01-21 09:03 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-21 12:19 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-19 13:42 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-01-21 00:42 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-19 20:38 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-01-20 10:52 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@usenet.mail.kapsi.fi> - 2026-01-20 13:30 +0200
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-20 20:20 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-01-21 00:55 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-16 16:23 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-01-15 10:41 +0100
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-15 11:43 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Jason H <jason_hindle@yahoo.com> - 2026-01-18 21:48 +0000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-01-20 07:11 +1000
Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" jayjwa <jayjwa@atr2.ath.cx.invalid> - 2026-01-19 23:35 -0500
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-01-19 20:32 +0800
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-19 20:54 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-01-23 18:38 +0800
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-23 20:56 +0000
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-01-24 20:05 +0800
Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead” Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-24 21:36 +0000
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-01-16 13:48 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <olop3mxcir.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #81181 |
On 2026-01-16 09:35, Richard Kettlewell wrote: > Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> writes: >> On 2026-01-15, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >>> Eli the Bearded wrote: >>>> On a foundation of sand. >>> >>> I go by the docs. The docs show that scp has been fixed to stop using >>> the old, deprecated protocol (at least by default). There is no >>> mention that the command itself is going to be deprecated any time >>> soon. Therefore, it must be safe to continue using. QED. >> >> No, that is not a logical conclusion. >> >> It does invalidate what the article claims, but you cannot conclude that >> it "must be safe". No offense meant to the programmers involved, I >> merely mean that you cannot prove the absence of vulnerabilities. > > I’m not sure what the argument against scp is here or what the supposed > foundation of sand is. The article says it clearly: scp -- wrong. rsync, scp and sftp are all different ways of transferring files securely over SSH. scp did use to use its own protocol at one point, but it has been upgraded to use the same underlying protocol as sftp, so it’s perfectly fine to continue using the same command, if that’s what you’re used to. There is no sign that the scp command itself is going to be deprecated at any point, though no doubt the option to fall back to the old protocol for compatibility’s sake is likely to be removed eventually. > > * scp is better suited to scripting and ad-hoc single-file transfers > than the interactive sftp command is; the two commands are optimized > for slightly different sets of use cases. > > * Historically scp’s bizarre transfer protocol meant it had trouble with > spaces in filenames. Today its use of the SFTP protocol resolves that, > so there is no relevant difference from the sftp command there. (You > can tell it to revert to the old way if you want to see the > difference.) > > * You can’t prove the sftp command, sftp server or rsync free of > vulnerabilities either, so there is no relevant difference there > either. > > So what is the argument against scp? Or is this all just a bit of > pointless nit-picking? > -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-01-16 14:57 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10kdjk7$1ntob$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #81194 |
On 16/01/2026 12:48, Carlos E.R. wrote: > scp -- wrong. rsync, scp and sftp are all different ways of > transferring files securely over SSH. Are they? even if you run rsyncd? -- “Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.” ― Voltaire, Questions sur les Miracles à M. Claparede, Professeur de Théologie à Genève, par un Proposant: Ou Extrait de Diverses Lettres de M. de Voltaire
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-01-16 22:31 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <fbnq3mx3qo.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #81199 |
On 2026-01-16 15:57, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 16/01/2026 12:48, Carlos E.R. wrote: > >> scp -- wrong. rsync, scp and sftp are all different ways of >> transferring files securely over SSH. > > Are they? even if you run rsyncd? AFAIK yes, the transfer happens of the ssh port with ssh type of encryption. That is what the article says, so take it with a pinch of salt. Variances per distributions. It is true in openSUSE. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) |
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| Date | 2026-01-17 10:52 +1000 |
| Subject | Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" |
| Message-ID | <696add5c@news.ausics.net> |
| In reply to | #81213 |
Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: > On 2026-01-16 15:57, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> On 16/01/2026 12:48, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> >>> scp -- wrong. rsync, scp and sftp are all different ways of >>> transferring files securely over SSH. >> >> Are they? even if you run rsyncd? > > AFAIK yes, the transfer happens of the ssh port with ssh type of > encryption. If you use "rsync://" on the client command line, you're connecting to rsyncd using the Rsync protocol which doesn't use encryption, which I often do for LAN transfers. You could still use SSH tunneling for encryption of course. -- __ __ #_ < |\| |< _#
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-01-17 03:49 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" |
| Message-ID | <1v9r3mxp6h.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #81223 |
On 2026-01-17 01:52, Computer Nerd Kev wrote: > Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: >> On 2026-01-16 15:57, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>> On 16/01/2026 12:48, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>> >>>> scp -- wrong. rsync, scp and sftp are all different ways of >>>> transferring files securely over SSH. >>> >>> Are they? even if you run rsyncd? >> >> AFAIK yes, the transfer happens of the ssh port with ssh type of >> encryption. > > If you use "rsync://" on the client command line, you're connecting > to rsyncd using the Rsync protocol which doesn't use encryption, > which I often do for LAN transfers. You could still use SSH > tunneling for encryption of course. I am using the rsync:// syntax, and I don't remember opening another port than 22. :-? I would have to check -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-01-17 03:26 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10kevgm$27kpd$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #81225 |
On Sat, 17 Jan 2026 03:49:37 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: > I am using the rsync:// syntax, and I don't remember opening another > port than 22. :-? > I would have to check I’ve never found a use for the rsyncd protocol, and I don’t think anyone would recommend its use for anything serious any more. Just look at the description <https://manpages.debian.org/rsyncd.conf(5)>: it uses a laughably weak authentication handshake, and the data transfer isn’t even encrypted. SSH is the way to go.
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| From | Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> |
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| Date | 2026-01-17 09:57 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <10kfito$1noor$1@news1.tnib.de> |
| In reply to | #81226 |
Lawrence D´Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >On Sat, 17 Jan 2026 03:49:37 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> I am using the rsync:// syntax, and I don't remember opening another >> port than 22. :-? >> I would have to check > >I’ve never found a use for the rsyncd protocol, and I don’t think >anyone would recommend its use for anything serious any more. Just >look at the description <https://manpages.debian.org/rsyncd.conf(5)>: >it uses a laughably weak authentication handshake, and the data >transfer isn’t even encrypted. > >SSH is the way to go. On the internet: Efficient distribution of public, large data sets. In local, campus or corporate networks: Efficient distribution of large data sets that are not top secret. Greetings Marc -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marc Haber | " Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header Rhein-Neckar, DE | Beginning of Wisdom " | Nordisch by Nature | Lt. Worf, TNG "Rightful Heir" | Fon: *49 6224 1600402
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| From | Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-01-17 14:12 +1000 |
| Subject | Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" |
| Message-ID | <696b0c3a@news.ausics.net> |
| In reply to | #81225 |
Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: > On 2026-01-17 01:52, Computer Nerd Kev wrote: >> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: >>> On 2026-01-16 15:57, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>>> On 16/01/2026 12:48, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>>> >>>>> scp -- wrong. rsync, scp and sftp are all different ways of >>>>> transferring files securely over SSH. >>>> >>>> Are they? even if you run rsyncd? >>> >>> AFAIK yes, the transfer happens of the ssh port with ssh type of >>> encryption. >> >> If you use "rsync://" on the client command line, you're connecting >> to rsyncd using the Rsync protocol which doesn't use encryption, >> which I often do for LAN transfers. You could still use SSH >> tunneling for encryption of course. > > I am using the rsync:// syntax, and I don't remember opening another > port than 22. :-? According to the man page it's TCP port 873. Anyway I think it makes much more sense than dealing with all the complexities, fragilities, and inefficiencies of encryption just to do transfers over a private LAN. LDO evidently concludes the opposite. Here's an example of a public rsync 'site'. This command lists syncable directories and their descriptions: rsync rsync://mirrors.dotsrc.org This page also describes how it can use TLS encryption using a script for OpenSSL "s_client", but that's not part of the base protocol: https://dotsrc.org/mirrors/#rsync-over-tls -- __ __ #_ < |\| |< _#
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-01-17 14:25 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: "7 deprecated Linux commands you need to stop using - and what to use instead" |
| Message-ID | <37fs3mxu17.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #81227 |
On 2026-01-17 05:12, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>> On 2026-01-17 01:52, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
>>> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>>> On 2026-01-16 15:57, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>> On 16/01/2026 12:48, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> scp -- wrong. rsync, scp and sftp are all different ways of
>>>>>> transferring files securely over SSH.
>>>>>
>>>>> Are they? even if you run rsyncd?
>>>>
>>>> AFAIK yes, the transfer happens of the ssh port with ssh type of
>>>> encryption.
>>>
>>> If you use "rsync://" on the client command line, you're connecting
>>> to rsyncd using the Rsync protocol which doesn't use encryption,
>>> which I often do for LAN transfers. You could still use SSH
>>> tunneling for encryption of course.
>>
>> I am using the rsync:// syntax, and I don't remember opening another
>> port than 22. :-?
>
> According to the man page it's TCP port 873.
/etc/firewalld/zones/external.xml:
<rule family="ipv4">
<source address="192.168.0.0/16"/>
<service name="rsyncd"/>
<accept/>
</rule>
I misremembered.
>
> Anyway I think it makes much more sense than dealing with all the
> complexities, fragilities, and inefficiencies of encryption just
> to do transfers over a private LAN. LDO evidently concludes the
> opposite.
>
> Here's an example of a public rsync 'site'. This command lists
> syncable directories and their descriptions:
>
> rsync rsync://mirrors.dotsrc.org
>
> This page also describes how it can use TLS encryption using a
> script for OpenSSL "s_client", but that's not part of the base
> protocol:
>
> https://dotsrc.org/mirrors/#rsync-over-tls
>
openSUSE uses rsync:// to distribute the distribution to mirrors.
--
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-01-17 13:11 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <wwvldhwxu2e.fsf@LkoBDZeT.terraraq.uk> |
| In reply to | #81213 |
"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> writes: > On 2026-01-16 15:57, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> On 16/01/2026 12:48, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> >>> scp -- wrong. rsync, scp and sftp are all different ways of >>> transferring files securely over SSH. >> Are they? even if you run rsyncd? If you tell it to connect to an rsyncd then indeed it does not use SSH. Personally I have never bothered with rsyncd... > AFAIK yes, the transfer happens of the ssh port with ssh type of > encryption. That is what the article says, so take it with a pinch of > salt. Variances per distributions. It is true in openSUSE. The zdnet article says nothing about what protocol rsync uses. -- https://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-01-17 18:20 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10kgjtj$2olv6$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #81240 |
On 17/01/2026 13:11, Richard Kettlewell wrote: > "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> writes: >> On 2026-01-16 15:57, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>> On 16/01/2026 12:48, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>> >>>> scp -- wrong. rsync, scp and sftp are all different ways of >>>> transferring files securely over SSH. >>> Are they? even if you run rsyncd? > > If you tell it to connect to an rsyncd then indeed it does not use SSH. > > Personally I have never bothered with rsyncd... > Ah. I do. None of my data is private that is being stored remotely >> AFAIK yes, the transfer happens of the ssh port with ssh type of >> encryption. That is what the article says, so take it with a pinch of >> salt. Variances per distributions. It is true in openSUSE. > > The zdnet article says nothing about what protocol rsync uses. > I think it is straight streaming of bytes and that is it. Locally i have nfs mounts to move data around. So I don't really use ssh protocols to copy data at all. -- There’s a mighty big difference between good, sound reasons and reasons that sound good. Burton Hillis (William Vaughn, American columnist)
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| From | Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-01-19 11:45 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10kl5g4$9urb$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #81247 |
On 1/17/26 18:20, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 17/01/2026 13:11, Richard Kettlewell wrote: >> "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> writes: >>> On 2026-01-16 15:57, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>>> On 16/01/2026 12:48, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>>> >>>>> scp -- wrong. rsync, scp and sftp are all different ways of >>>>> transferring files securely over SSH. >>>> Are they? even if you run rsyncd? >> >> If you tell it to connect to an rsyncd then indeed it does not use SSH. >> >> Personally I have never bothered with rsyncd... >> > Ah. I do. None of my data is private that is being stored remotely > >>> AFAIK yes, the transfer happens of the ssh port with ssh type of >>> encryption. That is what the article says, so take it with a pinch of >>> salt. Variances per distributions. It is true in openSUSE. >> >> The zdnet article says nothing about what protocol rsync uses. >> > I think it is straight streaming of bytes and that is it. > Locally i have nfs mounts to move data around. > > So I don't really use ssh protocols to copy data at all. > > I'm currently looking at moving from backing up data on Samba shares, to ssh/rsync (due to symlink issues). I fell at the first hurdle of how to have root access on both local and remote host. Eventually I created a new remote user account with passwordless sudo, specifically for rsync. The solution seemed a bit crap. It seemed that such a common usecase should be better documented, like I was missing something. Does rsyncd solve this root access problem? Is it a better/more orthodox solution. I could potentially use nfs, but I do still use Windows occasionally, so would like access from Windows, I did briefly consider dual shares using both Samba and nfs.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-01-19 14:27 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <03o14mx916.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #81297 |
On 2026-01-19 12:45, Pancho wrote: > On 1/17/26 18:20, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> On 17/01/2026 13:11, Richard Kettlewell wrote: >>> "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> writes: >>>> On 2026-01-16 15:57, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>>>> On 16/01/2026 12:48, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> scp -- wrong. rsync, scp and sftp are all different ways of >>>>>> transferring files securely over SSH. >>>>> Are they? even if you run rsyncd? >>> >>> If you tell it to connect to an rsyncd then indeed it does not use SSH. >>> >>> Personally I have never bothered with rsyncd... >>> >> Ah. I do. None of my data is private that is being stored remotely >> >>>> AFAIK yes, the transfer happens of the ssh port with ssh type of >>>> encryption. That is what the article says, so take it with a pinch of >>>> salt. Variances per distributions. It is true in openSUSE. >>> >>> The zdnet article says nothing about what protocol rsync uses. >>> >> I think it is straight streaming of bytes and that is it. >> Locally i have nfs mounts to move data around. >> >> So I don't really use ssh protocols to copy data at all. >> >> > > I'm currently looking at moving from backing up data on Samba shares, to > ssh/rsync (due to symlink issues). I fell at the first hurdle of how to > have root access on both local and remote host. Eventually I created a > new remote user account with passwordless sudo, specifically for rsync. > The solution seemed a bit crap. It seemed that such a common usecase > should be better documented, like I was missing something. > You can configure to access ssh as root without typing a password. With key pairs, and have an agent remember the phrase for you, or have none. > Does rsyncd solve this root access problem? Is it a better/more orthodox > solution. Yes, rsyncd does this. > > I could potentially use nfs, but I do still use Windows occasionally, so > would like access from Windows, I did briefly consider dual shares using > both Samba and nfs. > > -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> |
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| Date | 2026-01-20 05:04 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to st op using - and what to use instead” |
| Message-ID | <10kn2c6$tsjb$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #81301 |
At Mon, 19 Jan 2026 14:27:28 +0100, "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: > On 2026-01-19 12:45, Pancho wrote: > > On 1/17/26 18:20, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >> On 17/01/2026 13:11, Richard Kettlewell wrote: > >>> "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> writes: > >>>> On 2026-01-16 15:57, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >>>>> On 16/01/2026 12:48, Carlos E.R. wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> scp -- wrong. rsync, scp and sftp are all different ways of > >>>>>> transferring files securely over SSH. > >>>>> Are they? even if you run rsyncd? > >>> > >>> If you tell it to connect to an rsyncd then indeed it does not > >>> use SSH. > >>> > >>> Personally I have never bothered with rsyncd... > >>> > >> Ah. I do. None of my data is private that is being stored remotely > >> > >>>> AFAIK yes, the transfer happens of the ssh port with ssh type of > >>>> encryption. That is what the article says, so take it with a > >>>> pinch of salt. Variances per distributions. It is true in > >>>> openSUSE. > >>> > >>> The zdnet article says nothing about what protocol rsync uses. > >>> > >> I think it is straight streaming of bytes and that is it. > >> Locally i have nfs mounts to move data around. > >> > >> So I don't really use ssh protocols to copy data at all. > >> > >> > > > > I'm currently looking at moving from backing up data on Samba > > shares, to ssh/rsync (due to symlink issues). I fell at the first > > hurdle of how to have root access on both local and remote host. > > Eventually I created a new remote user account with passwordless > > sudo, specifically for rsync. The solution seemed a bit crap. It > > seemed that such a common usecase should be better documented, like > > I was missing something. > > > > You can configure to access ssh as root without typing a password. > With key pairs, and have an agent remember the phrase for you, or > have none. I thought I'd jump in here, and point out that you can have a passphraseless secret key on the client, and set the key in authorized_keys to only be able to run a single command (or a set of commands). > > Does rsyncd solve this root access problem? Is it a better/more > > orthodox solution. > > Yes, rsyncd does this. Regarding rsyncd, you should have a client program, rsync-ssl installed: $ apt-file search -x ^/usr/bin/rsync-ssl$ rsync: /usr/bin/rsync-ssl However, I believe you have to set up an ssl proxy like nginx to handle the SSL/TLS. See the section "SSL/TLS Daemon Setup" in rsyncd.conf(5) for how to do that. -- -v System76 Thelio Mega v1.1 x86_64 Mem: 258G OS: Linux 6.18.5 D: Mint 22.3 DE: Xfce 4.18 (X11) NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090Ti (24G) (580.105.08) "There's my way, and then there's the easy way."
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| From | Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-01-21 00:35 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: “7 deprecated Linux commands you need to st op using - and what to use instead” |
| Message-ID | <10kp70t$1mrat$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #81331 |
On 1/20/26 05:04, vallor wrote: > At Mon, 19 Jan 2026 14:27:28 +0100, "Carlos E.R." > <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: > >> On 2026-01-19 12:45, Pancho wrote: >>> On 1/17/26 18:20, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>>> On 17/01/2026 13:11, Richard Kettlewell wrote: >>>>> "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> writes: >>>>>> On 2026-01-16 15:57, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>>>>>> On 16/01/2026 12:48, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> scp -- wrong. rsync, scp and sftp are all different ways of >>>>>>>> transferring files securely over SSH. >>>>>>> Are they? even if you run rsyncd? >>>>> >>>>> If you tell it to connect to an rsyncd then indeed it does not >>>>> use SSH. >>>>> >>>>> Personally I have never bothered with rsyncd... >>>>> >>>> Ah. I do. None of my data is private that is being stored remotely >>>> >>>>>> AFAIK yes, the transfer happens of the ssh port with ssh type of >>>>>> encryption. That is what the article says, so take it with a >>>>>> pinch of salt. Variances per distributions. It is true in >>>>>> openSUSE. >>>>> >>>>> The zdnet article says nothing about what protocol rsync uses. >>>>> >>>> I think it is straight streaming of bytes and that is it. >>>> Locally i have nfs mounts to move data around. >>>> >>>> So I don't really use ssh protocols to copy data at all. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> I'm currently looking at moving from backing up data on Samba >>> shares, to ssh/rsync (due to symlink issues). I fell at the first >>> hurdle of how to have root access on both local and remote host. >>> Eventually I created a new remote user account with passwordless >>> sudo, specifically for rsync. The solution seemed a bit crap. It >>> seemed that such a common usecase should be better documented, like >>> I was missing something. >>> >> >> You can configure to access ssh as root without typing a password. >> With key pairs, and have an agent remember the phrase for you, or >> have none. > > I thought I'd jump in here, and point out that you can have > a passphraseless secret key on the client, and set the key > in authorized_keys to only be able to run a single command > (or a set of commands). > Cool. I tailored sudo to only be passwordless for rsync, I'm not sure what extra this gives me, but it is interesting. I note I had to write a wrapper bash script to allow command arguments.
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| From | Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-01-21 00:32 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10kp6qv$126fr$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #81301 |
On 1/19/26 13:27, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2026-01-19 12:45, Pancho wrote: >> On 1/17/26 18:20, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>> On 17/01/2026 13:11, Richard Kettlewell wrote: >>>> "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> writes: >>>>> On 2026-01-16 15:57, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>>>>> On 16/01/2026 12:48, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> scp -- wrong. rsync, scp and sftp are all different ways of >>>>>>> transferring files securely over SSH. >>>>>> Are they? even if you run rsyncd? >>>> >>>> If you tell it to connect to an rsyncd then indeed it does not use SSH. >>>> >>>> Personally I have never bothered with rsyncd... >>>> >>> Ah. I do. None of my data is private that is being stored remotely >>> >>>>> AFAIK yes, the transfer happens of the ssh port with ssh type of >>>>> encryption. That is what the article says, so take it with a pinch of >>>>> salt. Variances per distributions. It is true in openSUSE. >>>> >>>> The zdnet article says nothing about what protocol rsync uses. >>>> >>> I think it is straight streaming of bytes and that is it. >>> Locally i have nfs mounts to move data around. >>> >>> So I don't really use ssh protocols to copy data at all. >>> >>> >> >> I'm currently looking at moving from backing up data on Samba shares, >> to ssh/rsync (due to symlink issues). I fell at the first hurdle of >> how to have root access on both local and remote host. Eventually I >> created a new remote user account with passwordless sudo, specifically >> for rsync. The solution seemed a bit crap. It seemed that such a >> common usecase should be better documented, like I was missing something. >> > > You can configure to access ssh as root without typing a password. With > key pairs, and have an agent remember the phrase for you, or have none. > My concern was about having a root account. AIUI, modern security advice is to not have an interactive root account, i.e. with a password. So being a good boy, I don't. Whether this strategy is practical in the real world is unclear to me.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-01-21 04:16 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10kpjv2$1qg7h$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #81389 |
On 21/01/2026 00:32, Pancho wrote: > My concern was about having a root account. > > AIUI, modern security advice is to not have an interactive root account, > i.e. with a password. So being a good boy, I don't. Whether this > strategy is practical in the real world is unclear to me. I always enable one. Sometimes when there is an emergency you need not to have to type 'sudo' to edit every file... -- The theory of Communism may be summed up in one sentence: Abolish all private property. Karl Marx
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| From | Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-01-21 08:58 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10kq4fc$1vi98$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #81402 |
On 1/21/26 04:16, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 21/01/2026 00:32, Pancho wrote: >> My concern was about having a root account. >> >> AIUI, modern security advice is to not have an interactive root >> account, i.e. with a password. So being a good boy, I don't. Whether >> this strategy is practical in the real world is unclear to me. > > I always enable one. > > Sometimes when there is an emergency you need not to have to type 'sudo' > to edit every file... sudo bash
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-01-21 09:58 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10kq80d$20kk7$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #81416 |
On 21/01/2026 08:58, Pancho wrote:
> On 1/21/26 04:16, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 21/01/2026 00:32, Pancho wrote:
>>> My concern was about having a root account.
>>>
>>> AIUI, modern security advice is to not have an interactive root
>>> account, i.e. with a password. So being a good boy, I don't. Whether
>>> this strategy is practical in the real world is unclear to me.
>>
>> I always enable one.
>>
>> Sometimes when there is an emergency you need not to have to type
>> 'sudo' to edit every file...
>
> sudo bash
I am not sure that duplicates roots environment exactly.
--
“I know that most men, including those at ease with problems of the
greatest complexity, can seldom accept even the simplest and most
obvious truth if it be such as would oblige them to admit the falsity of
conclusions which they have delighted in explaining to colleagues, which
they have proudly taught to others, and which they have woven, thread by
thread, into the fabric of their lives.”
― Leo Tolstoy
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| From | marrgol <marrgol@address.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-01-21 11:56 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <10kqbdi$21nge$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #81418 |
On 2026-01-21 at 10:58 The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>>> My concern was about having a root account. >>>> >>>> AIUI, modern security advice is to not have an interactive root account, >>>> i.e. with a password. So being a good boy, I don't. Whether this >>>> strategy is practical in the real world is unclear to me. >>> >>> I always enable one. >>> >>> Sometimes when there is an emergency you need not to have to type 'sudo' >>> to edit every file... >> >> sudo bash > > I am not sure that duplicates roots environment exactly. 'sudo -i' does.
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