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| First post | 2026-02-12 05:45 +0000 |
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Linux Mint may make fewer releases a year rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-02-12 05:45 +0000
Re: Linux Mint may make fewer releases a year c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-02-12 02:05 -0500
Re: Linux Mint may make fewer releases a year John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-02-12 09:08 -0800
Re: Linux Mint may make fewer releases a year Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-02-12 19:05 +0000
Re: Linux Mint may make fewer releases a year c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-02-12 21:09 -0500
Re: Linux Mint may make fewer releases a year rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-02-13 06:08 +0000
Re: Linux Mint may make fewer releases a year c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-02-13 02:19 -0500
Re: Linux Mint may make fewer releases a year rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-02-13 18:30 +0000
Re: Linux Mint may make fewer releases a year c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-02-14 23:01 -0500
Re: Linux Mint may make fewer releases a year rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-02-15 06:18 +0000
Re: Linux Mint may make fewer releases a year Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-02-15 08:01 -0500
Re: Linux Mint may make fewer releases a year Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-02-15 17:27 +0000
Re: Linux Mint may make fewer releases a year rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-02-15 19:40 +0000
Re: Linux Mint may make fewer releases a year The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-02-15 20:43 +0000
Re: Linux Mint may make fewer releases a year rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-02-15 23:12 +0000
Re: Linux Mint may make fewer releases a year c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-02-15 21:30 -0500
Re: Linux Mint may make fewer releases a year Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-02-16 07:39 -0500
Re: Linux Mint may make fewer releases a year Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-02-17 10:14 +0100
Re: Linux Mint may make fewer releases a year Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-02-17 10:22 +0000
Re: Linux Mint may make fewer releases a year Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-02-17 14:16 +0100
Re: Linux Mint may make fewer releases a year Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-02-26 09:25 +0000
Re: Linux Mint may make fewer releases a year Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-02-15 21:09 +0000
Re: Linux Mint may make fewer releases a year Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-02-16 10:28 +0000
Re: Linux Mint may make fewer releases a year rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-02-16 19:21 +0000
Re: Linux Mint may make fewer releases a year "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-02-16 12:14 +0100
Re: Linux Mint may make fewer releases a year Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-02-16 08:51 -0800
Re: Linux Mint may make fewer releases a year Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-02-17 10:15 +0000
Re: Linux Mint may make fewer releases a year "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-02-17 11:45 +0100
Re: Linux Mint may make fewer releases a year Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-02-17 14:17 +0100
Re: Linux Mint may make fewer releases a year "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-02-17 15:00 +0100
Re: Linux Mint may make fewer releases a year Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-02-18 00:28 +0000
Re: Linux Mint may make fewer releases a year "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-02-18 02:32 +0100
Re: Linux Mint may make fewer releases a year Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-02-18 03:14 +0000
Re: Linux Mint may make fewer releases a year "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-02-19 19:27 +0100
Re: Linux Mint may make fewer releases a year Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-02-17 11:38 -0800
Re: Linux Mint may make fewer releases a year Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-02-17 14:17 +0100
Re: Linux Mint may make fewer releases a year "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-02-17 15:03 +0100
Re: Linux Mint may make fewer releases a year The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-02-17 14:10 +0000
Re: Linux Mint may make fewer releases a year Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-02-18 00:33 +0000
Re: Linux Mint may make fewer releases a year "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-02-28 20:48 +0100
Re: Linux Mint may make fewer releases a year rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-01 02:25 +0000
Re: Linux Mint may make fewer releases a year Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-03-01 07:50 -0500
Re: Linux Mint may make fewer releases a year rbowman <goawy@montana.com> - 2026-03-01 18:34 +0000
Re: Linux Mint may make fewer releases a year Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-03-02 07:22 -0500
Re: Linux Mint may make fewer releases a year rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-02 18:58 +0000
Re: Linux Mint may make fewer releases a year Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-03-02 15:05 -0500
Re: Linux Mint may make fewer releases a year c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-03-03 02:12 -0500
Re: Linux Mint may make fewer releases a year rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-03 18:58 +0000
Re: Linux Mint may make fewer releases a year Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-03-06 00:17 +0000
Re: Linux Mint may make fewer releases a year not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-03-07 08:05 +1000
Re: Linux Mint may make fewer releases a year Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-03-08 02:05 +0000
Re: Linux Mint may make fewer releases a year Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-02-24 07:22 +0000
Re: Linux Mint may make fewer releases a year Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-02-24 10:38 +0100
Re: Linux Mint may make fewer releases a year The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-02-24 12:12 +0000
Re: Linux Mint may make fewer releases a year Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-02-24 13:51 +0100
Re: Linux Mint may make fewer releases a year The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-02-24 13:28 +0000
Re: Linux Mint may make fewer releases a year Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-02-24 18:23 +0000
Re: Linux Mint may make fewer releases a year c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-02-24 22:25 -0500
Re: Linux Mint may make fewer releases a year Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-02-25 08:49 +0000
Re: Linux Mint may make fewer releases a year The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-02-25 11:19 +0000
Re: Linux Mint may make fewer releases a year Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-02-25 16:43 +0000
Re: Linux Mint may make fewer releases a year The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-02-25 17:40 +0000
Re: Linux Mint may make fewer releases a year Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-02-25 20:00 +0000
Re: Linux Mint may make fewer releases a year Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-02-25 23:54 +0000
Re: Linux Mint may make fewer releases a year not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-02-26 07:36 +1000
Re: Linux Mint may make fewer releases a year Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-02-24 15:29 +0000
Re: Linux Mint may make fewer releases a year The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-02-24 12:10 +0000
Re: Linux Mint may make fewer releases a year John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-02-25 10:21 -0800
Re: Linux Mint may make fewer releases a year Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-02-25 20:00 +0000
Re: Linux Mint may make fewer releases a year John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-02-25 13:26 -0800
Re: Linux Mint may make fewer releases a year The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-02-26 11:24 +0000
Re: Linux Mint may make fewer releases a year Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-02-26 17:29 +0000
Re: Linux Mint may make fewer releases a year Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-02-25 22:25 +0000
Re: Linux Mint may make fewer releases a year Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-02-17 11:35 -0800
Re: Linux Mint may make fewer releases a year Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-02-16 20:36 +0000
Re: Linux Mint may make fewer releases a year c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-02-16 18:43 -0500
Re: Linux Mint may make fewer releases a year c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-02-16 18:42 -0500
Re: Linux Mint may make fewer releases a year Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-02-16 07:37 -0500
Re: Linux Mint may make fewer releases a year rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-02-15 19:16 +0000
Re: Linux Mint may make fewer releases a year Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-02-15 11:59 -0800
Re: Linux Mint may make fewer releases a year rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-02-15 22:30 +0000
Re: Linux Mint may make fewer releases a year Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-02-15 15:56 -0800
Re: Linux Mint may make fewer releases a year c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-02-15 22:28 -0500
Re: Linux Mint may make fewer releases a year The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-02-16 10:44 +0000
Re: Linux Mint may make fewer releases a year Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-02-12 17:34 +0000
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-02-12 05:45 +0000 |
| Subject | Linux Mint may make fewer releases a year |
| Message-ID | <mv57ogFg54lU1@mid.individual.net> |
https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2026/02/linux-mint-plans-longer-development- cycle Sounds like a plan to me. Too many distros release on schedule whether the upgrade is ready or not. The only time I had trouble with Fedora KDE, Plasma, and Qt weren't quite there.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-02-12 02:05 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <zeKcnXfhA4xV5hD0nZ2dnZfqnPWdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #81967 |
On 2/12/26 00:45, rbowman wrote: > https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2026/02/linux-mint-plans-longer-development- > cycle > > Sounds like a plan to me. Too many distros release on schedule whether the > upgrade is ready or not. The only time I had trouble with Fedora KDE, > Plasma, and Qt weren't quite there. Good plan. To a degree, Linux has been taken in by the M$ "update fever" bullshit. A push for too-frequent updates can mean that not enough time to find/squash BUGS will be there. Take it a bit slower, get it RIGHT.
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| From | John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-02-12 09:08 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <20260212090830.00007b03@gmail.com> |
| In reply to | #81970 |
On Thu, 12 Feb 2026 02:05:42 -0500 c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: > To a degree, Linux has been taken in by the M$ "update fever" > bullshit. > > A push for too-frequent updates can mean that not enough time to > find/squash BUGS will be there. > > Take it a bit slower, get it RIGHT. "Release early, release often" is an ESR-ism, initially, and has deeper roots in the FOSS world than MS-land (Redmond only adopted it in the Win7 era) - but I agree, it's taken on the quality of a monomania in the last decade-plus. (This seems to be the way of things, with anything in the realm of soft- ware development methodology; first it's a truism, then it's received wisdom, then it's a religion, then it's an Industry, then something else comes along and supplants it. Just look at what "agile" mutated into, compared to the original manifesto.) Obviously, there's cases and reasons to hustle critical fixes out into the field as quick as you reasonably can - but the endless churn of new releases under the Cult of the Constant Update is deeply annoying. At least you can *generally* roll your eyes and disable notifications - unless you're stuck with the Filezilla fascists.
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-02-12 19:05 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10ml89a$1n020$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #81986 |
On Thu, 12 Feb 2026 09:08:30 -0800, John Ames wrote: > Obviously, there's cases and reasons to hustle critical fixes out > into the field as quick as you reasonably can - but the endless > churn of new releases under the Cult of the Constant Update is > deeply annoying. This is why we have different Linux distros that follow different upgrade strategies, with everything from major upgrades at less regular intervals, up to rolling releases and complete bleeding-edge must-have-the-latest-of-everything distros. This way, you can choose the cadence that best makes you happy. Linux is all about choice.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-02-12 21:09 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <WN-dnSx7HoNwGhP0nZ2dnZfqnPqdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #81986 |
On 2/12/26 12:08, John Ames wrote: > On Thu, 12 Feb 2026 02:05:42 -0500 > c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: > >> To a degree, Linux has been taken in by the M$ "update fever" >> bullshit. >> >> A push for too-frequent updates can mean that not enough time to >> find/squash BUGS will be there. >> >> Take it a bit slower, get it RIGHT. > > "Release early, release often" is an ESR-ism, initially, and has deeper > roots in the FOSS world than MS-land (Redmond only adopted it in the > Win7 era) - but I agree, it's taken on the quality of a monomania in > the last decade-plus. > > (This seems to be the way of things, with anything in the realm of soft- > ware development methodology; first it's a truism, then it's received > wisdom, then it's a religion, then it's an Industry, then something > else comes along and supplants it. Just look at what "agile" mutated > into, compared to the original manifesto.) > > Obviously, there's cases and reasons to hustle critical fixes out into > the field as quick as you reasonably can - but the endless churn of new > releases under the Cult of the Constant Update is deeply annoying. At > least you can *generally* roll your eyes and disable notifications - > unless you're stuck with the Filezilla fascists. Mozilla Universe seems to push out a huge update pretty much once a week now. Is the base code THAT crappy ??? Anyway, this issue is mostly 'psychological'. Some people brag in having THE latest versions of everything and some 'security' fascists think 'very latest' means 'perfectly secure'. But, as said, the rush to be 'latest' MAY mean there's not enough time spent finding bugs. Hmmm ... my remaining Manjaro box WON'T update any more. There's an Intel Firmware bit that won't load and that damns updates for EVERYTHING. There may be a PacMan switch ... I'll have to look. The Manjaro isn't THAT damned old and I have it set up nicely so I don't wanna flush everything. Last update was about three months ago, so I should be good for awhile. Made a VM of Deb 'Trixie' to fool around with too. Had numerous probs with the last version when it first came out (stay-ahead fever ?) so I'm not gonna put Trixie on a real box too soon.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-02-13 06:08 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mv7te4Ftkj6U2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #82008 |
On Thu, 12 Feb 2026 21:09:48 -0500, c186282 wrote: > Hmmm ... my remaining Manjaro box WON'T update any more. > There's an Intel Firmware bit that won't load and that damns updates > for EVERYTHING. There may be a PacMan switch ... I'll have to look. > The Manjaro isn't THAT damned old and I have it set up nicely so I > don't wanna flush everything. Last update was about three months ago, > so I should be good for awhile. /etc/pacman.conf IgnorePkg
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-02-13 02:19 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <Bfidnf_cpKwJTRP0nZ2dnZfqn_ednZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #82011 |
On 2/13/26 01:08, rbowman wrote: > On Thu, 12 Feb 2026 21:09:48 -0500, c186282 wrote: > >> Hmmm ... my remaining Manjaro box WON'T update any more. >> There's an Intel Firmware bit that won't load and that damns updates >> for EVERYTHING. There may be a PacMan switch ... I'll have to look. >> The Manjaro isn't THAT damned old and I have it set up nicely so I >> don't wanna flush everything. Last update was about three months ago, >> so I should be good for awhile. > > /etc/pacman.conf IgnorePkg IF I can identify the specific package(s). It's gotten WORSE the past few days ... more and more "can't get there from here" shit. Best tact ... wait a few weeks and see if the Arch repos straighten themselves out. No, I'm not going to dig ten levels down into the app and config files. Too old for that shit. It either works pretty good or .... If not ... then ... well ... the box WILL be converted to Deb Trixie and I'll kiss Arch goodbye forever. On other subjects, STILL having probs with ffmpeg crashing or hanging or refusing to start. Tried numerous fixes, even an external watchdog pgm, but it's still not tame. For now, I'm rebooting the box three times a day. Errs seem to happen a bit after 8 hours.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-02-13 18:30 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mv98u0F5vvtU4@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #82012 |
On Fri, 13 Feb 2026 02:19:47 -0500, c186282 wrote: > Best tact ... wait a few weeks and see if the Arch repos straighten > themselves out. Is it Arch or Manjaro's secret sauce? I'm not having a problem with EndeavourOS.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-02-14 23:01 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <T9Gcnd4eWbao2Az0nZ2dnZfqnPWdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #82017 |
On 2/13/26 13:30, rbowman wrote: > On Fri, 13 Feb 2026 02:19:47 -0500, c186282 wrote: > >> Best tact ... wait a few weeks and see if the Arch repos straighten >> themselves out. > > Is it Arch or Manjaro's secret sauce? I'm not having a problem with > EndeavourOS. Don't have every Arch variant installed fer sure, just Manjaro. I've tried Endeavour however and it's pretty good. My GUESS, for the moment, is that this is a Manjaro issue, not Arch-in-General. However if the problem persists, well, the Big Flush and the box gets Trixie. I've already copied out all the important config files/settings ... Sorry, but I'm a Deb-o-Phile .....
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-02-15 06:18 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mvd6p1Fps8hU4@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #82028 |
On Sat, 14 Feb 2026 23:01:53 -0500, c186282 wrote: > Sorry, but I'm a Deb-o-Phile ..... I was a real Deb-o-Phile in college... When my father saw her he asked 'Who is the little weasel?' He wasn't being cruel since she was small, thin, and had pointed features. Unluckily for her it stuck and she became The Weasel. I'm running Bookworm, sort of. Raspberry Pi OS is derived from it. https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/iot/tutorials/blink-led A little different approach. Might have been coincidental but the .NET application did blink the LED for a while before the Pi sort of locked up. I think it got hot an throttled. I haven't played with it yes but I installed WiringPi. https://github.com/WiringPi/WiringPi There are also a couple of Python libraries. Raspberry's version GpioZero is the one they recommend but gpiod is a little faster. The problem with gpiod is the Pi 5 has a new southbridge structure so anything written for earlier versions has to be updated. gpiozero is included in the OS install and takes that into acount. Note: this is for i/o programming on the Pi itself, not the pico.
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| From | Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> |
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| Date | 2026-02-15 08:01 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <10msg39$3vqvf$6@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #82029 |
rbowman wrote this post by blinking in Morse code: > On Sat, 14 Feb 2026 23:01:53 -0500, c186282 wrote: > >> Sorry, but I'm a Deb-o-Phile ..... > > I was a real Deb-o-Phile in college... When my father saw her he asked > 'Who is the little weasel?' He wasn't being cruel since she was small, > thin, and had pointed features. Unluckily for her it stuck and she became > The Weasel. > > <snip> Heh heh, took me a few seconds to grok that. In grade school we had a similary-featured guy we called The Rat. Anyway, my first distro was the old RedHat 6. Then I bought a no-name laptop with Windows NT on it, and used that for awhile. Then I tried to install RedHat. Partway through the screen would blank and a weird glow would appear. (I later learned it was some issue with the AMD K6 CPU.) So I download Debian and burned an install CD. We were on a road trip, so I spent a lot of time in the passenger seat getting it installed, getting familiar with dselect, and getting the GUI running. It was very absorbing. I didn't try any other distro until Gentoo years later. -- A guy walks into a bar, orders a beer, carries it to the bathroom and dumps it into a urinal. Over the course of the next few hours, he goes back to the bar and repeats this sequence -- several times. Finally the bartender got so curious that he leaned over the bar and asked him what he was doing. Replied the customer, "Avoiding the middleman."
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-02-15 17:27 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mmnkR.933587$urW7.266243@fx10.iad> |
| In reply to | #82030 |
On 2026-02-15, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote: > Anyway, my first distro was the old RedHat 6. Then I bought a > no-name laptop with Windows NT on it, and used that for awhile. > Then I tried to install RedHat. Partway through the screen would > blank and a weird glow would appear. (I later learned it was some > issue with the AMD K6 CPU.) > > So I download Debian and burned an install CD. We were on a road > trip, so I spent a lot of time in the passenger seat getting it > installed, getting familiar with dselect, and getting the GUI > running. It was very absorbing. > > I didn't try any other distro until Gentoo years later. When I first decided to set up a Linux machine, I went to the local bookstore and perused the various Linux books which had an installation CD included. The book I liked best happened to be by Patrick Volkerding, so my first distro was Slackware 3.5, which ran happily on a laptop with 48MB of memory and a 1.3G hard drive. I stayed with Slack for some time, but the lack of package management tools finally got to be too much. Ubuntu 10 was much easier to set up and maintain, but then they switched to the Unity desktop so I bid it farewell. I tried a few other distros (e.g. Mint, CrunchBang) and desktops. Blackbox was nicely lean and mean - perhaps a bit too much so. KDE looked lovely, but was far too heavyweight; even worse, it was constantly spitting messages out in a console window, indicating it was doing too much behind my back for comfort. Eventually I settled on Debian and Xfce. -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | Growth for the sake of \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | growth is the ideology X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | of the cancer cell. / \ if you read it the right way. | -- Edward Abbey
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-02-15 19:40 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mvelpgF313qU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #82031 |
On Sun, 15 Feb 2026 17:27:46 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > When I first decided to set up a Linux machine, I went to the local > bookstore and perused the various Linux books which had an installation > CD included. The book I liked best happened to be by Patrick > Volkerding, so my first distro was Slackware 3.5, which ran happily on a > laptop with 48MB of memory and a 1.3G hard drive. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slackware#Birth I must have caught it somewhere between the 24 floppies in 1993 and the 73 in 1994, I've got an unopened box of Memorex 3.5" floppies -- $3.99 for 10. No idea when I bought them but it was sometime after 2002. They may or may not have been cheaper in the '90s but 8 boxes, plus the time to ftp them down was a serious commitment. I don't remember when CD drives became common. I have a '93 Compaq Concerto laptop with a floppy drive and an optional PCMCIA CD-ROM drive. Funny how that works. All my current laptops need an optional USB optical drive. I do have a big old one that has escaped turning into a Linux box that has a builtin drive. It's XP, I think.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-02-15 20:43 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10mtb5h$ao7n$5@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #82031 |
On 15/02/2026 17:27, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On 2026-02-15, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
>
>> Anyway, my first distro was the old RedHat 6. Then I bought a
>> no-name laptop with Windows NT on it, and used that for awhile.
>> Then I tried to install RedHat. Partway through the screen would
>> blank and a weird glow would appear. (I later learned it was some
>> issue with the AMD K6 CPU.)
>>
>> So I download Debian and burned an install CD. We were on a road
>> trip, so I spent a lot of time in the passenger seat getting it
>> installed, getting familiar with dselect, and getting the GUI
>> running. It was very absorbing.
>>
>> I didn't try any other distro until Gentoo years later.
>
> When I first decided to set up a Linux machine, I went to the
> local bookstore and perused the various Linux books which had
> an installation CD included. The book I liked best happened
> to be by Patrick Volkerding, so my first distro was Slackware
> 3.5, which ran happily on a laptop with 48MB of memory and a
> 1.3G hard drive.
I started with RedHat but Richard K had always raved about Debian so I
started with that, but got fed up with the fact that Stable was years
behind the curve...so tried Ubuntu and didn't really like it and every
was raving about MINT so I installed it and mostly it Just Worked.
That was about 13 years ago now
--
"Fanaticism consists in redoubling your effort when you have
forgotten your aim."
George Santayana
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-02-15 23:12 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mvf26sF587pU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #82035 |
On Sun, 15 Feb 2026 20:43:28 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > I started with RedHat but Richard K had always raved about Debian so I > started with that, but got fed up with the fact that Stable was years > behind the curve...so tried Ubuntu and didn't really like it and every > was raving about MINT so I installed it and mostly it Just Worked. I dropped Red Hat Linux in 2000 when they released the broken gcc 2.96. I liked KDE so I went with SuSE. My last Linux box at work was Debian since I needed a 32-bit OS and they were one of the few left. When you're dealing with legacy code years behind the curve helps. It wasn't so much running on Linux as the Windows code was tied to 32-bit third party APIs. Mint wasn't on my radar until it was mentioned in this group. I fired up a live session but didn't see anything special so didn't install it. Then the library project focused on Mint so I put it on a laptop. Ubuntu on the mini was a fluke but I've lived with it. I'm lazy and it has T-Bird set up for mail and Pan.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-02-15 21:30 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <z3adnS-LroraHA_0nZ2dnZfqnPadnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #82035 |
On 2/15/26 15:43, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 15/02/2026 17:27, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >> On 2026-02-15, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote: >> >>> Anyway, my first distro was the old RedHat 6. Then I bought a >>> no-name laptop with Windows NT on it, and used that for awhile. >>> Then I tried to install RedHat. Partway through the screen would >>> blank and a weird glow would appear. (I later learned it was some >>> issue with the AMD K6 CPU.) >>> >>> So I download Debian and burned an install CD. We were on a road >>> trip, so I spent a lot of time in the passenger seat getting it >>> installed, getting familiar with dselect, and getting the GUI >>> running. It was very absorbing. >>> >>> I didn't try any other distro until Gentoo years later. >> >> When I first decided to set up a Linux machine, I went to the >> local bookstore and perused the various Linux books which had >> an installation CD included. The book I liked best happened >> to be by Patrick Volkerding, so my first distro was Slackware >> 3.5, which ran happily on a laptop with 48MB of memory and a >> 1.3G hard drive. > I started with RedHat but Richard K had always raved about Debian so I > started with that, but got fed up with the fact that Stable was years > behind the curve...so tried Ubuntu and didn't really like it and every > was raving about MINT so I installed it and mostly it Just Worked. > > That was about 13 years ago now I bought Slack and RH way way back, when they came on 5-1/4 floppies. Slack was OK, but RH was more complete and more generally friendly so I used it for a couple years. Then SUSE - which I still think is good but it's awfully "fat". Debian did it all simple and sane and wasn't nearly so fat so I went that way. Ubuntu was ok at the start, then got progressively weirder, more 'proprietary', more aggressive promos of Canonical add-ons to the point where it got very difficult to NOT include them at install. So, back to basic Deb and its closer relatives. Do have Manjaro on one box, but have been having update issues of late. If that keeps up it may have to go Deb.
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| From | Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> |
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| Date | 2026-02-16 07:39 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <10mv36p$r07d$8@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #82035 |
The Natural Philosopher wrote this screed in ALL-CAPS (fixed):
> On 15/02/2026 17:27, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>> On 2026-02-15, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
>>
>>> Anyway, my first distro was the old RedHat 6. Then I bought a
>>> no-name laptop with Windows NT on it, and used that for awhile.
>>> Then I tried to install RedHat. Partway through the screen would
>>> blank and a weird glow would appear. (I later learned it was some
>>> issue with the AMD K6 CPU.)
>>>
>>> So I download Debian and burned an install CD. We were on a road
>>> trip, so I spent a lot of time in the passenger seat getting it
>>> installed, getting familiar with dselect, and getting the GUI
>>> running. It was very absorbing.
>>>
>>> I didn't try any other distro until Gentoo years later.
>>
>> When I first decided to set up a Linux machine, I went to the
>> local bookstore and perused the various Linux books which had
>> an installation CD included. The book I liked best happened
>> to be by Patrick Volkerding, so my first distro was Slackware
>> 3.5, which ran happily on a laptop with 48MB of memory and a
>> 1.3G hard drive.
>>
> I started with RedHat but Richard K had always raved about Debian so I
> started with that, but got fed up with the fact that Stable was years
> behind the curve...so tried Ubuntu and didn't really like it and every
> was raving about MINT so I installed it and mostly it Just Worked.
>
> That was about 13 years ago now
I don't always use Debian, but when I do it's Debian Sid
(unstable).
-- The Most Interesting Linux User in the World
--
You will be married within a year, and divorced within two.
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| From | Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> |
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| Date | 2026-02-17 10:14 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <10n1bgp$sldp$1@news1.tnib.de> |
| In reply to | #82046 |
Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote: >I don't always use Debian, but when I do it's Debian Sid >(unstable). There is nothing wrong with Debian sid. Someone needs to test it so that we can put out a stable release with less bugs. But if it breaks, you need to be able to fix it. And you shouldn't complain if it breaks, it is supposed to. And it seldomly does. Greetings Marc -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marc Haber | " Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header Rhein-Neckar, DE | Beginning of Wisdom " | Nordisch by Nature | Lt. Worf, TNG "Rightful Heir" | Fon: *49 6224 1600402
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| From | Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-02-17 10:22 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10n1fgv$1ljem$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #82058 |
On 2026-02-17, Marc Haber wrote: > Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote: >>I don't always use Debian, but when I do it's Debian Sid >>(unstable). > > There is nothing wrong with Debian sid. Someone needs to test it so > that we can put out a stable release with less bugs. > > But if it breaks, you need to be able to fix it. And you shouldn't > complain if it breaks, it is supposed to. And it seldomly does. I can't help but think there's a significant problem with your affirmation - how can you want it to be used for testing in order to fix issues before the software hits stable if you then tell its users not to complain!? -- Nuno Silva
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| From | Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> |
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| Date | 2026-02-17 14:16 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <10n1pn7$u3e8$1@news1.tnib.de> |
| In reply to | #82060 |
Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> wrote: >On 2026-02-17, Marc Haber wrote: >> Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote: >>>I don't always use Debian, but when I do it's Debian Sid >>>(unstable). >> >> There is nothing wrong with Debian sid. Someone needs to test it so >> that we can put out a stable release with less bugs. >> >> But if it breaks, you need to be able to fix it. And you shouldn't >> complain if it breaks, it is supposed to. And it seldomly does. > >I can't help but think there's a significant problem with your >affirmation - how can you want it to be used for testing in order to fix >issues before the software hits stable if you then tell its users not to >complain!? Maybe a language issue. I don't consider a bug report as a complaint. A complaint is like "YOU broke my system and it took me two days and my backup to fix it". A bug report is like "/usr/bin/foo crashes if invoked with --bamboozle and --frobnicate, core dump attached". Greetings Marc -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marc Haber | " Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header Rhein-Neckar, DE | Beginning of Wisdom " | Nordisch by Nature | Lt. Worf, TNG "Rightful Heir" | Fon: *49 6224 1600402
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