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  "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-10 22:03 -0500
    Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-11 03:50 +0000
      Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-10 23:24 -0500
        Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-11 05:54 +0000
          Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-11 01:23 -0500
            Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-11 22:08 +0000
              Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-11 23:08 +0000
                Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-11 20:49 -0500
                  Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-12 03:11 +0000
                    Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-12 04:43 +0000
                      Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-12 11:44 +0000
                    Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-12 11:43 +0000
                      Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-12 08:41 -0500
                        Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-12 14:48 +0000
                          Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-12 19:43 +0000
                            Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-12 20:41 +0000
                            Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-13 06:37 -0500
                              Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-13 19:03 +0000
                                Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-13 14:15 -0500
                                  Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-14 03:25 +0000
                                    Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY Joerg Walther <joerg.walther@magenta.de> - 2026-01-14 12:32 +0100
                                      Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-14 18:32 +0000
                                        Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-14 11:10 -0800
                                          Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-15 03:42 +0000
                                            Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-15 00:43 -0500
                                              Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-15 08:03 -0800
                                                Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-15 18:58 +0000
                                                  Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-15 11:40 -0800
                                                  Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-16 02:05 +0000
                                                  Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-16 08:03 -0500
                                                    Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-16 08:14 -0800
                                              Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-15 19:20 +0000
                                    Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-14 11:33 +0000
                                      Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-14 19:02 +0000
                    Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-12 17:36 -0500
                  Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-12 11:41 +0000
                    Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-12 23:41 +0000
                      Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-12 23:01 -0500
                      Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-13 08:02 +0000
                        Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-13 09:16 +0000
                Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-11 23:47 +0000
                Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-11 23:46 +0000
                Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-11 23:46 +0000
                Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2026-01-12 07:02 +0100
              Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-12 07:36 -0500
                Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-12 19:58 +0000
                  Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-01-13 21:39 -0800
        Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-11 16:55 +0000
      Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2026-01-12 13:40 +0000
    Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-01-11 16:21 +0000
      Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-11 16:55 +0000
      Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-01-11 09:36 -0800
    Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY Woozy Song <suzyw0ng@outlook.com> - 2026-01-13 19:36 +0800
    Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-14 23:18 +0100
      Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-14 17:34 -0500
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#81111

rbowman wrote:

>'Workingman's Dead' and 'American Beauty' were good. The long, going 
>nowhere, jams the Dead were famous for sucked.

Actually, they turned me onto Jazz. As a teenager who barely knew any
music besides from the usual pop drivel being played on the radio the
1981 Essen concert which was broadcast live in its entirety on German TV
AND radio till 4:30am showed me there were actually competent musicians
who were able to improvise at length. The next step was to look for more
music similar to this, which would have been Jazz...

>Bob Weir  RIP

Indeed. great guy. Yesterday I watched the first three (out of six)
parts from the documentary 'Long Strange Trip'. Good documentary, it
helps to understand the development of this music. After that I listened
to St Stephen - The Eleven - Turn on Your Lovelight from LiveDead (1969)
at full volume as kind of a tribute. 
Now only the two drummers are left...

-jw-
-- 
And now for something completely different...

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#81118

On Wed, 14 Jan 2026 12:32:33 +0100, Joerg Walther wrote:

> Actually, they turned me onto Jazz. As a teenager who barely knew any
> music besides from the usual pop drivel being played on the radio the
> 1981 Essen concert which was broadcast live in its entirety on German TV
> AND radio till 4:30am showed me there were actually competent musicians
> who were able to improvise at length. The next step was to look for more
> music similar to this, which would have been Jazz...

I tried to like jazz and failed. To provide some context I read Kerouac 
and the other Beats at a young age and they were into the '40s and '50s 
bebop musicians. I found the music twitchy and nervous.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bebop

'Cool jazz' was a little better but by then the folk revival was well 
underway and that was more my speed. I associate cool jazz with Peter 
Gunn.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Gunn

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#81121

On 14 Jan 2026 18:32:47 GMT
rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

> I tried to like jazz and failed. To provide some context I read
> Kerouac and the other Beats at a young age and they were into the
> '40s and '50s bebop musicians. I found the music twitchy and nervous.

Jazz is something I appreciate more for the influence it's had on the
rest of the world than enjoy in raw form. It was a key ingredient in
the cocktail that birthed progressive rock; without that initial shot
in the arm from jazz by way of King Crimson, it might never have gotten
beyond just sounding like the Moody Blues. Likewise, original-flavor
Chicago (before Terry Kath died and the DX7 ruined them) owed a whole
lot to jazz.

That said, "Kind of Blue" is a marvelous album.

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#81137

On Wed, 14 Jan 2026 11:10:53 -0800, John Ames wrote:

> Jazz is something I appreciate more for the influence it's had on the
> rest of the world than enjoy in raw form. It was a key ingredient in the
> cocktail that birthed progressive rock; without that initial shot in the
> arm from jazz by way of King Crimson, it might never have gotten beyond
> just sounding like the Moody Blues. Likewise, original-flavor Chicago
> (before Terry Kath died and the DX7 ruined them) owed a whole lot to
> jazz.

I don't much care for progressives, take that as you may. I'll make an 
exception for 'Whiter Shade of Pale' if that is progressive. I still don't 
know what some of the words in the lyrics are and I certainly don't know 
what it meant but with a little good weed who cares?

I just played it on youtube and had a flashback sitting in my Plymouth on 
a hot July morning in '67 getting ready for another day at my summer gig 
in the NYS Dept. of Edducation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GielMXWQlbw

No not Procol Harum -- a little Mary Hopkin.

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#81140

On 1/14/26 22:42, rbowman wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Jan 2026 11:10:53 -0800, John Ames wrote:
> 
>> Jazz is something I appreciate more for the influence it's had on the
>> rest of the world than enjoy in raw form. It was a key ingredient in the
>> cocktail that birthed progressive rock; without that initial shot in the
>> arm from jazz by way of King Crimson, it might never have gotten beyond
>> just sounding like the Moody Blues. Likewise, original-flavor Chicago
>> (before Terry Kath died and the DX7 ruined them) owed a whole lot to
>> jazz.
> 
> I don't much care for progressives, take that as you may. I'll make an
> exception for 'Whiter Shade of Pale' if that is progressive. I still don't
> know what some of the words in the lyrics are and I certainly don't know
> what it meant but with a little good weed who cares?
> 
> I just played it on youtube and had a flashback sitting in my Plymouth on
> a hot July morning in '67 getting ready for another day at my summer gig
> in the NYS Dept. of Edducation.


   Isn't that "Learing" ?  :-)


> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GielMXWQlbw
> 
> No not Procol Harum -- a little Mary Hopkin.

   LOTS of 'experiments' in the 60s and early 70s.
   Some interesting stuff came out of that. Not
   always with WIDE appeal, but still interesting.

   Heh ... just saw an ad for some new TV 'crime'
   series. Music - Innagoddavida  :-)

   DID like the last half, as the uninspired
   drum solo ended ... that kinda set my tastes
   forever.

   Hmm, try Wo Fat's "Psychedelonaut" ... three
   old fat REALLY WEIRD dead-heavy guys .......

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#81160

On Thu, 15 Jan 2026 00:43:49 -0500
c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:

> Heh ... just saw an ad for some new TV 'crime' series. Music -
> Innagoddavida  :-)
> 
> DID like the last half, as the uninspired drum solo ended ... that
> kinda set my tastes forever.

That's one of those ones where the album version has some good ideas
but kinda flags in the middle. There's a version on their first live
album that's better - still got to contend with the fact that extended
drum solos are *not* to everyone's taste, but there's considerably more
energy to it.

Still, if I had to put together a ranking of favorite "whole side of an
LP" tracks, it'd be a ways below the likes of "Close to the Edge,"
"Tarkus," "Echoes," or "Whippin' Post."

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#81166

On 2026-01-15, John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, 15 Jan 2026 00:43:49 -0500
> c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
>
>> Heh ... just saw an ad for some new TV 'crime' series. Music -
>> Innagoddavida  :-)
>> 
>> DID like the last half, as the uninspired drum solo ended ... that
>> kinda set my tastes forever.
>
> That's one of those ones where the album version has some good ideas
> but kinda flags in the middle. There's a version on their first live
> album that's better - still got to contend with the fact that extended
> drum solos are *not* to everyone's taste, but there's considerably more
> energy to it.

Extended drum solos were a big thing at the time, to the point of being
parodied.  The mockumentary "The Last Polka", a play on "The Last Waltz",
featured John Candy and Eugene Levy as the "The Shmenges", a fictional
duo complete with lederhosen.  At one point in their live concert,
everyone walked offstage during an extended solo by... a tuba.

> Still, if I had to put together a ranking of favorite "whole side of an
> LP" tracks, it'd be a ways below the likes of "Close to the Edge,"
> "Tarkus," "Echoes," or "Whippin' Post."

I loved the whole "art rock" phase, along with concept albums.
For example, side 3 of Pink Floyd's "Ummagumma":
    Sisyphus (parts 1-4)
    Grantchester Meadows
    Several Species of Small Furry Animals
      Gathered Together in a Cave and
      Grooving with a Pict

"Atom Heart Mother" was good too.

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  Growth for the sake of
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  growth is the ideology
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  of the cancer cell.
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |    -- Edward Abbey

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#81168

On Thu, 15 Jan 2026 18:58:22 GMT
Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:

> Extended drum solos were a big thing at the time, to the point of
> being parodied.

A-yup. Personally I'm fine with 'em, provided they keep the flow/energy
going; always liked "Anonymous 2" by Focus, which included not just a
drum solo, but an extended bass solo section, all as part of a long-
form instrumental jam based around an uncredited theme from the 15th
century - doesn't get much more '70s art-rock than that XD

> I loved the whole "art rock" phase, along with concept albums.
> For example, side 3 of Pink Floyd's "Ummagumma":
>     Sisyphus (parts 1-4)
>     Grantchester Meadows
>     Several Species of Small Furry Animals
>       Gathered Together in a Cave and
>       Grooving with a Pict
> 
> "Atom Heart Mother" was good too.

Ummagumma I'm hot & cold on (the live disc is killer, but only Gilmour
& Waters's solo tracks grab me - funny, as Wright is one of my all-time
favorite keyboardists,) but AHM is better than anybody gives it credit
for (even the band themselves mostly hated it.) Think it's because the
centerpiece is such an unusual number, with Floyd pretty much providing
a backing track to an orchestral piece mostly written by someone else.
Heard a live recording that was just the four of them, stripped down to
the bones of the piece, and that was mighty interesting; sounded closer
to the funky bits of "Echoes" than anything...

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#81178

On Thu, 15 Jan 2026 18:58:22 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

> I loved the whole "art rock" phase, along with concept albums.
> For example, side 3 of Pink Floyd's "Ummagumma":

I worked with a chemist who I think had an endless supply of Pink Floyd 
tapes for his Walkman. Maybe it was a defense move -- Jackson's 'Thriller' 
was getting a lot of airplay at the time. My playlist was a little 
different.

 "A Country Boy Can Survivve"1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10qEOmZaYZg

"Thank God I'm a Country Cat"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKL-0w0nq70

It sounds more like Lynyrd Skynyrd's  'God & Guns' that Bochephus. I 
assume the whole thing is AI. I wonder if AI could do a sequel to 'Fritz 
the Cat' or 'Howl's Moving Castle'?  Animators better be looking for a new 
career.

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#81195

Charlie Gibbs wrote this post by blinking in Morse code:

> <snip>
>
> Extended drum solos were a big thing at the time, to the point of being
> parodied. <snip>

While looking for a video of Carl Palmer explaining the drum solo
in "Toccata" in the "Brain Salad Surgery" album (a set of 8
cigar-box-sized synth modules triggered by the drums), I found
this:

    <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UMhWD60LGY>

    Here you are watching possibly the best drum solo of all time
    by 71-year-old drummer Carl Palmer on January 30, 2022, at the
    Ft. Lauderdale, FL Broward Theater of Performing Arts, Carl
    Palmer is still kicking butt and taking names.

Not bad for an old bastard!

> <snip>
>
>> Still, if I had to put together a ranking of favorite "whole side of an
>> LP" tracks, it'd be a ways below the likes of "Close to the Edge,"
>> "Tarkus," "Echoes," or "Whippin' Post."

One of my favorites is the extended version of Aquatarkus on ELP's
Live album.

> I loved the whole "art rock" phase, along with concept albums.
> For example, side 3 of Pink Floyd's "Ummagumma":
>     Sisyphus (parts 1-4)
>     Grantchester Meadows
>     Several Species of Small Furry Animals
>       Gathered Together in a Cave and
>       Grooving with a Pict
>
> "Atom Heart Mother" was good too.

    "I don't wanna work, I just wanna bang on the drum all day.
    I don't wanna play, I just wanna bang on the drum all day."

-- 
Woody: Hey, Mr. Peterson, what do you say to a cold one?
Norm:  See you later, Vera, I'll be at Cheers.
		-- Cheers, Norm's Last Hurrah
Sam:   Well, look at you.  You look like the cat that swallowed the canary.
Norm:  And I need a beer to wash him down.
		-- Cheers, Norm's Last Hurrah
Woody:  Would you like a beer, Mr. Peterson?
Norm:   No, I'd like a dead cat in a glass.
		-- Cheers, Little Carla, Happy at Last, Part 2

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#81201

On Fri, 16 Jan 2026 08:03:03 -0500
Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:

> While looking for a video of Carl Palmer explaining the drum solo in
> "Toccata" in the "Brain Salad Surgery" album (a set of 8 cigar-box-
> sized synth modules triggered by the drums), I found this:
> 
>     <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UMhWD60LGY>
> 
>     Here you are watching possibly the best drum solo of all time by
>     71-year-old drummer Carl Palmer on January 30, 2022, at the Ft.
>     Lauderdale, FL Broward Theater of Performing Arts, Carl Palmer is
>     still kicking butt and taking names.
> 
> Not bad for an old bastard!

Palmer is the goods alright. Bill Bruford's still got it, too, though
it seems he's only un-retired to play shows in his native England.
Can't blame him for not wanting to tour anymore, I s'pose, but dammit!

> One of my favorites is the extended version of Aquatarkus on ELP's
> Live album.

Need to revisit that sometime - there are few prog bands I find as good
live as they were in the studio, but it's been an age and a half since
I sat down with any of ELP's live stuff.

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#81167

On Thu, 15 Jan 2026 00:43:49 -0500, c186282 wrote:

>    DID like the last half, as the uninspired drum solo ended ... that
>    kinda set my tastes forever.

Ah, drum solos...  Apologies to all the drummers, but you're supposed to 
be keeping time in the background. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=He7vVd9Cnyk

https://www.drumbrothers.com/

I avoid their performances. West African polyrhythmic  drumming should 
stat in West Africa.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MtwOKHDuyQ

At least the Indians keep time. There is a pow wow here on the 4th of 
July. There is drumming for the fancy dancers, but the stick game also has 
drummers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nga2DRzvuh4

It's an interesting aural experience after a few hours of almost 
continuous drumming.

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#81112

On 14/01/2026 03:25, rbowman wrote:
> Philip Glass,
> Tangerine Dream, John Cage, and so forth is best played at very high
> volumes 24/7 for the edification of ICE detainees.
  I thought the humane method was simply to shoot them, like puppies...
-- 
Labour - a bunch of rich people convincing poor people to vote for rich 
people by telling poor people that "other" rich people are the reason 
they are poor.

Peter Thompson

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#81119

On Wed, 14 Jan 2026 11:33:25 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 14/01/2026 03:25, rbowman wrote:
>> Philip Glass,
>> Tangerine Dream, John Cage, and so forth is best played at very high
>> volumes 24/7 for the edification of ICE detainees.
>   I thought the humane method was simply to shoot them, like puppies...

The 'musicians' or the detainees? Koyaanisqatsi on an endless loop would 
work for both, maybe with 'The Keep' for relief.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koyaanisqatsi
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Keep_(film)

A soundtrack can make or break a movie. In both of those cases the 
soundtrack was well matched to the cinematic incoherence.

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#81021

On 1/11/26 22:11, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On 2026-01-12, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
> 
>> On 1/11/26 18:08, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>
>>> There is a minimum level of intelligence and social responsibility
>>> that is required in order for democracy to work.  We're currently
>>> getting a graphic example of what happens when these factors fall
>>> below the critical level.
>>
>>     Unfiltered knowledge - knowing what's going on - is
>>     also required. That's become almost impossible to
>>     acquire, it's all contaminated by ideological extremists.
> 
> Worse, many people don't want to know what's going on.
> They just want to know what button to push to make the magic happen.
> 
>>     I go through over a dozen international news/related
>>     sites every day. What little they all agree on is most
>>     likely to be the Truth. The 'spin' has become horrific
>>     alas.
> 
> Whenever I search for information, regardless of topic,
> I scan many sources, then try to form a gestalt in my mind.
> This helps compensate for contaminated sources; the truth
> usually lies between the extremes.
> 
>>     I don't know if 'western civ' can continue much longer
>>     in this environment. Totalitarian/authoritarian states
>>     however CAN.
> 
> And it will be welcomed by the masses.  My wife is currently
> watching a TV documentary on the rise of Adolf Hitler.
> The resemblance to today's situation is frightening.

   Goebbels created a propaganda fantasy world
   for Germans. Then Germans acted upon those
   'truths'. Not good.

   Now we have dozens/hundreds of Goebbels clones
   running 'news'. Would have been better to have
   cloned Hitler .......

   I'll return to my old term "Dali-ocracy" ...
   where the surreal rules and nobody has the
   slightest clue what's going on - yet vote
   and behave as if they do.

   How to counter this ??? Not sure it can be
   done with much success, esp now with the Net
   plus 'AI' invented content.

   So, at this rate, we just keep flying blind until
   we crash into something. Then the REALLY bad people
   in the world take charge at gunpoint.

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#80978

On 12/01/2026 01:49, c186282 wrote:
> I don't know if 'western civ' can continue much longer
>    in this environment. Totalitarian/authoritarian states
>    however CAN.

Oddly enough I think the reverse. But then we in the UK have a strong 
movement away from shit leaders and brainless authoritarianism, a state 
that the US has yet to embrace.

But another couple of Trump years ought to do the trick.


-- 
In todays liberal progressive conflict-free education system, everyone 
gets full Marx.

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#81030

On 2026-01-12, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> On 12/01/2026 01:49, c186282 wrote:
>
>> I don't know if 'western civ' can continue much longer
>>    in this environment. Totalitarian/authoritarian states
>>    however CAN.
>
> Oddly enough I think the reverse. But then we in the UK have a strong 
> movement away from shit leaders and brainless authoritarianism, a state 
> that the US has yet to embrace.
>
> But another couple of Trump years ought to do the trick.

Hopefully it won't be too late by then.  I can just hear a new
MAGA battle cry: "No 22 in 28!"  For if the 22nd amendment is
rescinded, the US is ready to have a dictator for life.

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  Growth for the sake of
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  growth is the ideology
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  of the cancer cell.
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |    -- Edward Abbey

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#81035

On 1/12/26 18:41, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On 2026-01-12, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> On 12/01/2026 01:49, c186282 wrote:
>>
>>> I don't know if 'western civ' can continue much longer
>>>     in this environment. Totalitarian/authoritarian states
>>>     however CAN.
>>
>> Oddly enough I think the reverse. But then we in the UK have a strong
>> movement away from shit leaders and brainless authoritarianism, a state
>> that the US has yet to embrace.
>>
>> But another couple of Trump years ought to do the trick.
> 
> Hopefully it won't be too late by then.  I can just hear a new
> MAGA battle cry: "No 22 in 28!"  For if the 22nd amendment is
> rescinded, the US is ready to have a dictator for life.

   Well, if so, better Trump than, say, Omar or Newsom
   or Mamdani ..........

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#81055

On Mon, 12 Jan 2026 23:41:03 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

> On 2026-01-12, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> On 12/01/2026 01:49, c186282 wrote:
>>
>>> I don't know if 'western civ' can continue much longer
>>>    in this environment. Totalitarian/authoritarian states however
>>>    CAN.
>>
>> Oddly enough I think the reverse. But then we in the UK have a strong
>> movement away from shit leaders and brainless authoritarianism, a state
>> that the US has yet to embrace.
>>
>> But another couple of Trump years ought to do the trick.
> 
> Hopefully it won't be too late by then.  I can just hear a new MAGA
> battle cry: "No 22 in 28!"  For if the 22nd amendment is rescinded, the
> US is ready to have a dictator for life.

Elderly dictators tend to be self canceling. The 22nd cuts both ways. I 
know it will never happen but if by some miracle we got a really, really 
competent president...

Kurt Schlicter had an interesting take today. Vance would be the natural 
candidate but Schlicter hopes he is primaried by some competent 
alternatives. He wants Vance to ultimately get the nomination after 
ripping the guts out of formidable challengers so he'll have built the 
teams and tools to take on whatever the Democrats come up with.

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#81060

On 13/01/2026 08:02, rbowman wrote:
> On Mon, 12 Jan 2026 23:41:03 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> 
>> On 2026-01-12, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On 12/01/2026 01:49, c186282 wrote:
>>>
>>>> I don't know if 'western civ' can continue much longer
>>>>     in this environment. Totalitarian/authoritarian states however
>>>>     CAN.
>>>
>>> Oddly enough I think the reverse. But then we in the UK have a strong
>>> movement away from shit leaders and brainless authoritarianism, a state
>>> that the US has yet to embrace.
>>>
>>> But another couple of Trump years ought to do the trick.
>>
>> Hopefully it won't be too late by then.  I can just hear a new MAGA
>> battle cry: "No 22 in 28!"  For if the 22nd amendment is rescinded, the
>> US is ready to have a dictator for life.
> 
> Elderly dictators tend to be self canceling. The 22nd cuts both ways. I
> know it will never happen but if by some miracle we got a really, really
> competent president...
> 
> Kurt Schlicter had an interesting take today. Vance would be the natural
> candidate but Schlicter hopes he is primaried by some competent
> alternatives. He wants Vance to ultimately get the nomination after
> ripping the guts out of formidable challengers so he'll have built the
> teams and tools to take on whatever the Democrats come up with.
> 
Vance is a complete cunt really. Thicker than pigshit
God help Amerika if he gets to be press.

-- 
"It is an established fact to 97% confidence limits that left wing 
conspirators see right wing conspiracies everywhere"

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