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| Started by | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| First post | 2025-12-23 22:51 +0000 |
| Last post | 2025-12-29 13:29 +0000 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 195 — 22 participants |
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Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-23 22:51 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice kouya <kouyaheika@canithesis.org> - 2025-12-24 06:27 -0600
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-24 13:24 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-24 19:08 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-25 02:21 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-24 21:35 -0500
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-12-26 09:06 -0800
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-26 18:38 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-12-26 11:53 -0800
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-26 23:15 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-26 22:49 -0500
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-27 12:52 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Jim Jackson <jj@franjam.org.uk> - 2026-01-06 23:09 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-06 15:25 -0800
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-26 20:49 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-27 03:56 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-26 20:37 -0800
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-27 05:59 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-27 08:51 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-27 09:13 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-27 23:01 +0000
X11 forks (was: Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-28 10:43 +0000
Re: X11 forks (was: Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-29 03:35 +0000
Re: X11 forks Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> - 2025-12-29 18:14 +1000
Re: X11 forks c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-29 03:28 -0500
Re: X11 forks not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-12-30 07:30 +1000
Re: X11 forks "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-30 09:33 +0100
Re: X11 forks Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-30 08:47 +0000
Re: X11 forks "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-30 14:46 +0100
Wayland hardware requirements (was: Re: X11 forks) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-31 09:25 +0000
Re: Wayland hardware requirements The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-31 12:12 +0000
Re: Wayland hardware requirements not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-01-01 07:31 +1000
Re: X11 forks rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-31 03:19 +0000
Re: X11 forks "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-31 11:50 +0100
Re: X11 forks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-31 12:09 +0000
Re: X11 forks "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-31 18:48 +0100
Re: X11 forks Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-31 20:59 +0000
Re: X11 forks "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-01 02:51 +0100
Re: X11 forks Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-01 02:33 +0000
Re: X11 forks rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-01 06:01 +0000
Re: X11 forks rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-01 03:10 +0000
Re: X11 forks Harold Stevens <wookie@aspen.localdomain> - 2026-01-01 04:04 -0600
Re: X11 forks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-01 13:10 +0000
Re: X11 forks "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-01 14:28 +0100
Re: X11 forks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-01 14:00 +0000
Re: X11 forks Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-01 19:12 +0000
Re: X11 forks vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2026-01-02 04:15 +0000
Re: X11 forks rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-31 19:54 +0000
Re: X11 forks John-Paul Stewart <jpstewart@personalprojects.net> - 2025-12-31 14:28 -0500
Re: X11 forks "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-31 20:43 +0100
Re: X11 forks rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-31 20:00 +0000
Re: X11 forks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-31 22:58 +0000
Re: X11 forks rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-01 02:56 +0000
Re: X11 forks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-31 22:45 +0000
Re: X11 forks rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-30 02:20 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-27 09:48 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-27 06:22 -0500
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-27 12:55 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-27 11:50 -0500
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-27 18:20 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-27 22:33 -0500
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-29 03:40 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-29 00:50 -0500
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-29 13:31 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-27 22:55 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-27 23:35 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-12-27 13:29 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-27 11:53 -0500
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-27 21:32 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-27 12:54 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-27 22:52 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-28 14:11 +0100
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-28 13:35 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-27 01:05 -0500
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-27 08:59 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-27 04:42 -0500
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-27 22:11 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-28 14:05 +0100
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-28 13:34 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-29 03:21 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-29 12:58 +0100
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-26 22:56 -0500
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-27 12:57 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-27 22:31 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-28 14:33 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-28 12:40 -0500
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-28 20:12 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-28 21:00 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-28 22:17 +0100
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-28 22:56 +0000
Service startup errors Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-29 00:16 +0000
Re: Service startup errors Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-29 02:08 +0000
Re: Service startup errors "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-29 03:15 +0100
Re: Service startup errors Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-29 03:39 +0000
Re: Service startup errors "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-29 12:59 +0100
Re: Service startup errors c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-28 21:47 -0500
Re: Service startup errors Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-30 18:53 +0000
Re: Service startup errors rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-31 03:12 +0000
Re: Service startup errors vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2025-12-31 04:40 +0000
Re: Service startup errors rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-31 08:24 +0000
Re: Service startup errors Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-31 18:55 +0000
Re: Service startup errors Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-01-01 04:29 +0000
Re: Service startup errors Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-01 04:38 +0000
Re: Service startup errors Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-01-01 04:58 +0000
Re: Service startup errors The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-01 13:13 +0000
Re: Service startup errors Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-31 09:13 +0000
Re: Service startup errors Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-31 09:53 +0000
Re: Service startup errors Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-31 09:59 +0000
Re: Service startup errors Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-31 21:04 +0000
Re: Service startup errors rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-01 02:31 +0000
Re: Service startup errors rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-31 19:49 +0000
Re: Service startup errors Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-31 18:55 +0000
Re: Service startup errors rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-31 19:41 +0000
Re: Service startup errors Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-31 20:13 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-29 03:16 +0100
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-29 03:49 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-29 01:00 -0500
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-29 13:12 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-29 13:04 +0100
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-30 19:14 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-30 22:43 +0100
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-30 22:09 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-30 23:24 +0100
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-30 22:12 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-30 23:27 +0100
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-30 22:29 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-31 11:59 +0100
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-26 22:45 -0500
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-25 03:26 +0000
How distros can get choosen by chance (was: Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-25 10:51 +0000
Re: How distros can get choosen by chance jayjwa <jayjwa@atr2.ath.cx.invalid> - 2025-12-25 13:27 -0500
Re: How distros can get choosen by chance rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-25 18:40 +0000
Re: How distros can get choosen by chance Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-25 12:34 -0800
Re: How distros can get choosen by chance rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-25 22:11 +0000
Re: How distros can get choosen by chance Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-25 14:55 -0800
Re: How distros can get choosen by chance "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-28 14:28 +0100
Re: How distros can get choosen by chance rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-29 02:09 +0000
Re: How distros can get choosen by chance Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-25 21:05 +0000
Re: How distros can get choosen by chance rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-25 22:22 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice kouya <kouyaheika@canithesis.org> - 2025-12-24 21:37 -0600
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-25 11:46 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-25 11:59 -0500
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-26 07:04 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-26 02:27 -0500
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice kouya <kouyaheika@canithesis.org> - 2025-12-25 23:07 -0600
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-28 13:56 +0100
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-28 13:32 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-28 14:51 +0100
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-28 14:02 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-28 21:46 +0100
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-28 16:24 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-28 17:31 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-28 12:53 -0500
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-28 20:16 +0000
Linux GUIs Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-29 00:10 +0000
Re: Linux GUIs Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-29 02:09 +0000
Re: Linux GUIs c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-28 21:50 -0500
Re: Linux GUIs Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-29 10:16 +0000
Re: Linux GUIs c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-29 05:23 -0500
Re: Linux GUIs "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-29 13:09 +0100
Re: Linux GUIs Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-12-29 14:29 +0100
Re: Linux GUIs The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-29 17:25 +0000
Re: Linux GUIs c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-30 01:04 -0500
Re: Linux GUIs rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-31 02:53 +0000
Re: Linux GUIs not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-12-30 07:32 +1000
Re: Linux GUIs rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-30 01:07 +0000
Re: Linux GUIs John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-12-30 09:01 -0800
Re: Linux GUIs c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-30 12:58 -0500
Re: Linux GUIs rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-31 02:47 +0000
Re: Linux GUIs Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-12-30 13:02 +0100
Re: Linux GUIs Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-29 06:43 -0800
Re: Linux GUIs Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-29 22:09 +0000
Re: Linux GUIs c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-28 21:29 -0500
Re: Linux GUIs rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-29 02:57 +0000
Re: Linux GUIs c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-28 22:13 -0500
Re: Linux GUIs "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-29 13:11 +0100
Re: Linux GUIs The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-29 13:21 +0000
Re: Linux GUIs Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-29 15:56 +0000
Re: Linux GUIs Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-29 22:08 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-29 02:37 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-28 20:57 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-29 02:35 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-29 10:08 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-29 13:32 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-29 22:07 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-29 02:21 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-28 22:08 -0500
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-28 20:56 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-28 20:43 -0500
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-29 03:23 +0100
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-29 03:16 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-29 03:15 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-29 10:21 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-29 05:26 -0500
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-29 13:29 +0000
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| From | Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> |
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| Date | 2025-12-29 14:29 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Linux GUIs |
| Message-ID | <10itvni$20odq$1@news1.tnib.de> |
| In reply to | #80038 |
"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: >The KDE folk spent some time (months?) to optimize the memory footprint >of KDE, and I think it got lighter than XFCE. So I heard. I can not >imagine how displaying a window with round edges and colour gradations >and 3D effects can use less memory. Just look at how much your desktop takes before and after starting whatever browser you use. Then stop worrying about the size of your desktop. Greetings Marc -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marc Haber | " Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header Rhein-Neckar, DE | Beginning of Wisdom " | Nordisch by Nature | Lt. Worf, TNG "Rightful Heir" | Fon: *49 6224 1600402
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-29 17:25 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Linux GUIs |
| Message-ID | <10iudi4$15ims$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #80043 |
On 29/12/2025 13:29, Marc Haber wrote: > "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: >> The KDE folk spent some time (months?) to optimize the memory footprint >> of KDE, and I think it got lighter than XFCE. So I heard. I can not >> imagine how displaying a window with round edges and colour gradations >> and 3D effects can use less memory. > > Just look at how much your desktop takes before and after starting > whatever browser you use. Then stop worrying about the size of your > desktop. > Exactly. It's hard to run a browser that does all you want in less than 1GB. My home heating controller - a web server running on a pi zero - uses 45MB to display in firefox! -- "It is an established fact to 97% confidence limits that left wing conspirators see right wing conspiracies everywhere"
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-12-30 01:04 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: Linux GUIs |
| Message-ID | <EbCcnU4UR9_-9s70nZ2dnZfqnPudnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #80061 |
On 12/29/25 12:25, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 29/12/2025 13:29, Marc Haber wrote: >> "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: >>> The KDE folk spent some time (months?) to optimize the memory footprint >>> of KDE, and I think it got lighter than XFCE. So I heard. I can not >>> imagine how displaying a window with round edges and colour gradations >>> and 3D effects can use less memory. >> >> Just look at how much your desktop takes before and after starting >> whatever browser you use. Then stop worrying about the size of your >> desktop. >> > Exactly. > It's hard to run a browser that does all you want in less than 1GB. > > > My home heating controller - a web server running on a pi zero - uses > 45MB to display in firefox! Yep, CAN be done small and neat ! The 99.99% are used to desktop-type units with tons of CPU/mem/storage. This is their point of reference. However if they get into things like PIs they come to a very different perspective. While humans are still relevant, proper computer/IT training should start out with things like Ards and Picos - learn that there is actual hardware involved, how to make do with small mem, low CPU, little or no Net. That will instill a proper state of mind that WILL be of great benefit down the road. AI ... that's where it drifts into "magic", speak your spells and let the 'gods' make it (sort of) real.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-12-31 02:53 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Linux GUIs |
| Message-ID | <mrjhhnFqvk0U4@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #80090 |
On Tue, 30 Dec 2025 01:04:19 -0500, c186282 wrote: > While humans are still relevant, proper computer/IT training should > start out with things like Ards and Picos - learn that there is > actual hardware involved, how to make do with small mem, low CPU, > little or no Net. That will instill a proper state of mind that WILL > be of great benefit down the road. May background was mostly in embedded. When I interviewed for my last job in one of the questions from the director of engineering the preamble was 'assume unlimited memory'. 'What world is this?' I thought. Several years later he said "When I interviewed you I kept getting the impression you were thinking 'Why is he asking this stupid shit?'"
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| From | not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) |
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| Date | 2025-12-30 07:32 +1000 |
| Subject | Re: Linux GUIs |
| Message-ID | <6952f38a@news.ausics.net> |
| In reply to | #80043 |
Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> wrote: > "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: >>The KDE folk spent some time (months?) to optimize the memory footprint >>of KDE, and I think it got lighter than XFCE. So I heard. I can not >>imagine how displaying a window with round edges and colour gradations >>and 3D effects can use less memory. > > Just look at how much your desktop takes before and after starting > whatever browser you use. Then stop worrying about the size of your > desktop. Or in my case choose to use a more lightweight browser. -- __ __ #_ < |\| |< _#
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-12-30 01:07 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Linux GUIs |
| Message-ID | <mrgmvaFch82U7@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #80077 |
On 30 Dec 2025 07:32:59 +1000, Computer Nerd Kev wrote: > Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> wrote: >> "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: >>>The KDE folk spent some time (months?) to optimize the memory footprint >>>of KDE, and I think it got lighter than XFCE. So I heard. I can not >>>imagine how displaying a window with round edges and colour gradations >>>and 3D effects can use less memory. >> >> Just look at how much your desktop takes before and after starting >> whatever browser you use. Then stop worrying about the size of your >> desktop. > > Or in my case choose to use a more lightweight browser. Yeah, but lynx doesn't work on a lot of sites anymore.
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| From | John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-12-30 09:01 -0800 |
| Subject | Re: Linux GUIs |
| Message-ID | <20251230090110.000029cd@gmail.com> |
| In reply to | #80085 |
On 30 Dec 2025 01:07:54 GMT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: > > Or in my case choose to use a more lightweight browser. > > Yeah, but lynx doesn't work on a lot of sites anymore. I am increasingly finding "doesn't work in ELinks" to be a useful metric for judging sites that I really don't care to visit that much. There are exceptions, but it's amazing how much of the Internet I don't actually need in my life that badly.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-12-30 12:58 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: Linux GUIs |
| Message-ID | <4MacnSV0Gu1Wj8n0nZ2dnZfqn_qdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #80116 |
On 12/30/25 12:01, John Ames wrote: > On 30 Dec 2025 01:07:54 GMT > rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: > >>> Or in my case choose to use a more lightweight browser. >> >> Yeah, but lynx doesn't work on a lot of sites anymore. > > I am increasingly finding "doesn't work in ELinks" to be a useful > metric for judging sites that I really don't care to visit that much. > There are exceptions, but it's amazing how much of the Internet I don't > actually need in my life that badly. I tried the KDE browser "Konqueror". It does seem lighter than FFox or Chromium. It does not work, at least super well, on some sites however ... but will work with far more than lynx/elinks. I've tried a bunch of browsers over the years, most stink in one way or another. FFox/Chromium/M$ are the premier products and developers cater to them. Sorry, that's just the way it's going to be.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-12-31 02:47 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Linux GUIs |
| Message-ID | <mrjh6mFqvk0U3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #80119 |
On Tue, 30 Dec 2025 12:58:20 -0500, c186282 wrote: > I tried the KDE browser "Konqueror". It does seem lighter than FFox > or Chromium. It does not work, at least super well, on some sites > however ... but will work with far more than lynx/elinks. The KDE installs for Fedora and Endeavour don't include Konqueror. Dolphin lives on. It was on my former OpenSUSE box but it was sporadic enough I seldom used it. My default for some time has been Brave though I'm currently interviewing WaterFox on one box. It has a few warts but the developers specifically rejected Firefox's AI enshitification. Brave has a little star if you want Leo to take a shit but it's easy to turn off. It's becoming increasingly difficult to turn off AI in VS Code so I'm looking at Code-OSS.
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| From | Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> |
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| Date | 2025-12-30 13:02 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Linux GUIs |
| Message-ID | <10j0f04$28qs8$1@news1.tnib.de> |
| In reply to | #80077 |
not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) wrote: >Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> wrote: >> "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: >>>The KDE folk spent some time (months?) to optimize the memory footprint >>>of KDE, and I think it got lighter than XFCE. So I heard. I can not >>>imagine how displaying a window with round edges and colour gradations >>>and 3D effects can use less memory. >> >> Just look at how much your desktop takes before and after starting >> whatever browser you use. Then stop worrying about the size of your >> desktop. > >Or in my case choose to use a more lightweight browser. If you don't need 90 % of today's web, that sounds like a sensible decision. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marc Haber | " Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header Rhein-Neckar, DE | Beginning of Wisdom " | Nordisch by Nature | Lt. Worf, TNG "Rightful Heir" | Fon: *49 6224 1600402
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| From | Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> |
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| Date | 2025-12-29 06:43 -0800 |
| Subject | Re: Linux GUIs |
| Message-ID | <10iu42r$12b56$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #80038 |
On 12/29/25 04:09, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2025-12-29 03:50, c186282 wrote: >> On 12/28/25 21:09, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >>> On Mon, 29 Dec 2025 00:10:05 -0000 (UTC), Lars Poulsen wrote: >>> >>>> Can you explain in a few words the difference betwen LXDE and XFCE? >>> >>> Last I recall, LXDE is one of those lightweight GUIs, XFCE is not. >> >> XFCE is still pretty "light". It is a little more >> 'integrated', with a little more 'eye candy', than >> LXDE however. If you can't find an LXDE install for >> yer distro then use XFCE as the next-best. >> >> Now if you're using something like a PI then >> LXDE or a close mutation IS what you want just >> to save memory/CPU/GPU. > > The KDE folk spent some time (months?) to optimize the memory footprint > of KDE, and I think it got lighter than XFCE. So I heard. I can not > imagine how displaying a window with round edges and colour gradations > and 3D effects can use less memory. KDE's Plasma 5 was more compact. KDE's Plasma 6 is much larger. I don't use it for rounded corners, 3D effects or greater color gradations. The only reason that I use it is because KDE's Plasma 5 is no longer updated. I am unhappy that KDE's task-games has not been updated. But I like to use the KDE product and have enough power to do so without noticable slow down. 20 years of KDE desktop environment for me which amounts to 20 years of Linux for me and maybe 6 months of XP, and 10 years approximately of AmigaOS 1.2-3.9. bliss- Dell Precision 7730- PCLOS 2026- Linux 6.12.63-pclos1- KDE Plasma 6.5.4
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-29 22:09 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Linux GUIs |
| Message-ID | <10iuu6e$1c0aq$7@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #80038 |
On Mon, 29 Dec 2025 13:09:55 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: > The KDE folk spent some time (months?) to optimize the memory > footprint of KDE, and I think it got lighter than XFCE. So I heard. > I can not imagine how displaying a window with round edges and > colour gradations and 3D effects can use less memory. This is aided by the fact that KDE is built on Qt, which is optimized to run on a wide range of platforms, including limited-resource embedded ones.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-12-28 21:29 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: Linux GUIs |
| Message-ID | <cp-dnU6P6vAKesz0nZ2dnZfqnPWdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #79982 |
On 12/28/25 19:10, Lars Poulsen wrote: > On 2025-12-28, Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote: >>>> I spent quite a while, 2-3 months IIRC, trying to adapt to Gnome 3 (and >>>> to adapt it to me). I am quite adaptable, using all of Windows, macOS, >>>> Android and desktop Linux regularly, but still didn’t manage to get used >>>> to Gnome 3. So MATE it is. > >> On 12/28/25 12:31, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >>> My only contact with Gnome 3 is the API. I don't do much graphics >>> programming, and I work in straight C, not C++. Gnome was the only >>> graphics toolkit I could find with C linkages, so it was Hobson's Choice. > > On 2025-12-28, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: >> I did use Centos for a little while - the G3 interface >> was just TERRIBLE. Did manage to get something else >> running on it. They didn't really WANT you to use >> anything but G3 on it though .... >> >> Best compromise bet these days is XFCE. Very usable. >> MATE is 'sort of usable' ... I don't HATE it, but >> don't like it either. > > I can never rember which is which. Can you explain in a few words the > difference betwen LXDE and XFCE? That'd take too long. Install both, try both. Then you'll know. In a little nut shell, LXDE has even less 'eye candy' and attempts at 'app integration' than even XFCE - while remaining nice and usable. Nearest Win equiv would be XP - with a hint of Win2k). Still like LXDE best, though you get more and earlier support for XFCE these days.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-12-29 02:57 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Linux GUIs |
| Message-ID | <mre90hFtqk8U9@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #79982 |
On Mon, 29 Dec 2025 00:10:05 -0000 (UTC), Lars Poulsen wrote: > I can never rember which is which. Can you explain in a few words the > difference betwen LXDE and XFCE? Several letters? Even better, the original LXDE crew didn't like Gtk 3 so went off to develop LXQt. I had a Lubuntu install that used LXQt. LXDE was resurrected from the dead and strangely enough a heavily modified version is used in Raspberry Pi OS so the terminal is LXTerminal. Xfce has the panel on top (usually) and LXDE doesn't (usually).
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-12-28 22:13 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: Linux GUIs |
| Message-ID | <6decndc7ib1wbMz0nZ2dnZfqn_adnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #79999 |
On 12/28/25 21:57, rbowman wrote: > On Mon, 29 Dec 2025 00:10:05 -0000 (UTC), Lars Poulsen wrote: > >> I can never rember which is which. Can you explain in a few words the >> difference betwen LXDE and XFCE? > > Several letters? Even better, the original LXDE crew didn't like Gtk 3 so > went off to develop LXQt. I had a Lubuntu install that used LXQt. LXDE was > resurrected from the dead and strangely enough a heavily modified version > is used in Raspberry Pi OS so the terminal is LXTerminal. > > Xfce has the panel on top (usually) and LXDE doesn't (usually). Um, easy enough to move that ... LXQt ... do NOT like it. LXDE ... STILL love it. Anyway, that's MY take, MY aesthetic. Plenty of choices - take your pick. Can't really say one is "better" than another, it Just Depends.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-29 13:11 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Linux GUIs |
| Message-ID | <3p7a2mxku8.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #79999 |
On 2025-12-29 03:57, rbowman wrote: > Xfce has the panel on top (usually) and LXDE doesn't (usually). Huh? I had no idea. In openSUSE it is always at the bottom. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-29 13:21 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Linux GUIs |
| Message-ID | <10itv9e$1029n$7@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #80037 |
On 29/12/2025 12:11, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2025-12-29 03:57, rbowman wrote: >> Xfce has the panel on top (usually) and LXDE doesn't (usually). > > Huh? I had no idea. In openSUSE it is always at the bottom. > Mate has panels wherever I put them. Currently I have one - the task bar I suppose - along the top and the apps down the RH side, both on autohide . I have 8 virtual screens in the task bar as well. AFAICR virtual screens are not a usual feature, but MATE has them -- "And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch". Gospel of St. Mathew 15:14
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| From | Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-29 15:56 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Linux GUIs |
| Message-ID | <wwvwm25qo1s.fsf@LkoBDZeT.terraraq.uk> |
| In reply to | #80042 |
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> writes: > On 29/12/2025 12:11, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> On 2025-12-29 03:57, rbowman wrote: >>> Xfce has the panel on top (usually) and LXDE doesn't (usually). >> Huh? I had no idea. In openSUSE it is always at the bottom. >> > Mate has panels wherever I put them. Currently I have one - the task > bar I suppose - along the top and the apps down the RH side, both on > autohide . > > I have 8 virtual screens in the task bar as well. > > AFAICR virtual screens are not a usual feature, but MATE has them Even Windows has virtual screens these days l-) -- https://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-29 22:08 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Linux GUIs |
| Message-ID | <10iuu4c$1c0aq$6@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #80055 |
On Mon, 29 Dec 2025 15:56:47 +0000, Richard Kettlewell wrote: > Even Windows has virtual screens these days l-) Apple and Microsoft finally copied a feature that Unix/*nix systems have had for years ... decades.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-12-29 02:37 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mre7quFtqk8U8@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #79969 |
On Sun, 28 Dec 2025 12:53:17 -0500, c186282 wrote: > Best compromise bet these days is XFCE. Very usable. I had it on my work Debian box and tried it on LM. I was surprised that LM looked quite a bit different to Debian. I don't know which is the plain vanilla Xfce.
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