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  M$ Drops "Authenticator" App - Millions Freaked c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-07-02 01:52 -0400
    Re: M$ Drops "Authenticator" App - Millions Freaked Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-07-02 07:59 +0100
      Re: M$ Drops "Authenticator" App - Millions Freaked Carl Fink <carlf@panix.com> - 2025-07-02 12:29 +0000
        Re: M$ Drops "Authenticator" App - Millions Freaked The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-02 13:32 +0100
          Re: M$ Drops "Authenticator" App - Millions Freaked c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-07-02 20:26 -0400
            Re: M$ Drops "Authenticator" App - Millions Freaked The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-03 10:56 +0100
              Re: M$ Drops "Authenticator" App - Millions Freaked c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-07-03 20:42 -0400
                Re: M$ Drops "Authenticator" App - Millions Freaked rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-04 01:38 +0000
                Re: M$ Drops "Authenticator" App - Millions Freaked "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-04 10:20 +0200
                  Re: M$ Drops "Authenticator" App - Millions Freaked c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-07-05 01:50 -0400
                Re: M$ Drops "Authenticator" App - Millions Freaked The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-04 11:21 +0100
                  Re: M$ Drops "Authenticator" App - Millions Freaked c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-07-05 01:58 -0400
                    Re: M$ Drops "Authenticator" App - Millions Freaked The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-05 09:40 +0100
        Re: M$ Drops "Authenticator" App - Millions Freaked c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-07-04 00:31 -0400
      Re: M$ Drops "Authenticator" App - Millions Freaked John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-07-02 07:55 -0700
        Re: M$ Drops "Authenticator" App - Millions Freaked Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-07-02 18:36 +0100
        Re: M$ Drops "Authenticator" App - Millions Freaked Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-07-02 23:16 +0000
    Re: M$ Drops "Authenticator" App - Millions Freaked "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-02 20:04 +0200
      Re: M$ Drops "Authenticator" App - Millions Freaked The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-02 19:53 +0100
        Re: M$ Drops "Authenticator" App - Millions Freaked c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-07-02 21:02 -0400
          Re: M$ Drops "Authenticator" App - Millions Freaked "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-03 12:01 +0200
            Re: M$ Drops "Authenticator" App - Millions Freaked rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-03 18:52 +0000

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#69272 — M$ Drops "Authenticator" App - Millions Freaked

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-14865891/Microsoft-Authenticator-app-axed.html

Microsoft is shutting down an essential feature in an app that
is used by millions to log into accounts.

The tech giant announced this week that users will no longer
be able to store passwords in its Authenticator app, which
is an extra layer of security for accounts that generates
one-time passwords.

Around 75 million people use the app to store their credentials,
but Microsoft will start deleting the codes starting in August.

This will impact users of Microsoft services like Outlook,
Excel, and those using Android and iOS smartphones.

. . .

   Let me guess ... M$ had exactly ONE old guy who
   knew how the app worked - and he quit or retired
   or dropped dead in the break room.

   Win-2k ... there was ONE old guy who could hold
   the entire system and interactions in his head.
   Then he was gone. From XP on we saw endless bloat
   and complication and weird errors ... and that
   gave us Vista and worse.

   Linux is a BIT better in this respect, although
   we do see certain utilities that get depreciated
   as their sole maintainers drop out. We all seem
   to rely on a small inventory of 'geniuses' ...

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#69273

c186282 wrote:

> Microsoft is shutting down an essential feature in an app that
> is used by millions to log into accounts.
> 
> The tech giant announced this week that users will no longer
> be able to store passwords in its Authenticator app

Misleading headline from the Mail, Authenticator is not being dropped, 
it'll continue for its main purpose as MFA, the app has had on-screen 
warnings for ages about password functionality going away

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#69279

On 2025-07-02, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
> Misleading headline from the Mail ...

You just had to write, "Headline from the Mail."
-- 
Carl Fink                                                  carl@finknetwork.com 
https://reasonablyliterate.com                           https://nitpicking.com 
If you want to make a point, somebody will take the point and stab you with it. 
	-Kenne Estes

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#69280

On 02/07/2025 13:29, Carl Fink wrote:
> On 2025-07-02, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
>> Misleading headline from the Mail ...
> 
> You just had to write, "Headline from the Mail."
:-)

-- 
“Progress is precisely that which rules and regulations did not foresee,”

  – Ludwig von Mises

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#69294

On 7/2/25 8:32 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 02/07/2025 13:29, Carl Fink wrote:
>> On 2025-07-02, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
>>> Misleading headline from the Mail ...
>>
>> You just had to write, "Headline from the Mail."
> :-)

   If you want The Dirt first, DM is pretty
   good at that. It's only sort-of a "news"
   site however, tons of celeb gossip and
   it does have a talent for hype. On the
   plus it updates frequently, unlike a lot
   of supposed 'real' news sites.

   'Authenticator' is not entirely going away,
   but many (most?) USE it for the disappearing
   password functionality so it may as well be
   entirely gone.

   I see M$ announced 9000 new job cuts today ...
   the AI is to blame.

   Still seen NO plans for dealing with
   all the humans obsoleted by 'AI' ...

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#69303

On 03/07/2025 01:26, c186282 wrote:
> On 7/2/25 8:32 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 02/07/2025 13:29, Carl Fink wrote:
>>> On 2025-07-02, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
>>>> Misleading headline from the Mail ...
>>>
>>> You just had to write, "Headline from the Mail."
>> :-)
> 
>    If you want The Dirt first, DM is pretty
>    good at that. It's only sort-of a "news"
>    site however, tons of celeb gossip and
>    it does have a talent for hype. On the
>    plus it updates frequently, unlike a lot
>    of supposed 'real' news sites.

The Tabloid Press is unashamedly partisan, shouty, mostly bullshit, and 
occasionally enjoyable.

I read the DE not for news, but to get an idea about what story is 
paying the DE  to promote today, and for a quick overview of what the 
'plebs' are being told to think.

Of course, they don't, and the comments in there are far better written 
than the articles.

For news, you need to dig deeper in more recondite places...

-- 
“Ideas are inherently conservative. They yield not to the attack of 
other ideas but to the massive onslaught of circumstance"

    -  John K Galbraith

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#69321

On 7/3/25 5:56 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 03/07/2025 01:26, c186282 wrote:
>> On 7/2/25 8:32 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 02/07/2025 13:29, Carl Fink wrote:
>>>> On 2025-07-02, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
>>>>> Misleading headline from the Mail ...
>>>>
>>>> You just had to write, "Headline from the Mail."
>>> :-)
>>
>>    If you want The Dirt first, DM is pretty
>>    good at that. It's only sort-of a "news"
>>    site however, tons of celeb gossip and
>>    it does have a talent for hype. On the
>>    plus it updates frequently, unlike a lot
>>    of supposed 'real' news sites.
> 
> The Tabloid Press is unashamedly partisan, shouty, mostly bullshit, and 
> occasionally enjoyable.


   I find DM reasonably 'enjoyable' - a sort of 'variety
   magazine' plugged in to the mainstream culture. From
   time to time it DOES post good sci/tech stuff.

   As for "partisan" - DM is Brit, and I don't really
   know or get Brit political parties or the partisan
   canon that go with them. To the US reader it seems
   relatively non-partisan.

   The best US news doesn't come from the USA - it's
   all too biased. As nobody else 'gets' the USA their
   news about us tends to be Just The Facts.


> I read the DE not for news, but to get an idea about what story is 
> paying the DE  to promote today, and for a quick overview of what the 
> 'plebs' are being told to think.
> 
> Of course, they don't, and the comments in there are far better written 
> than the articles.
> 
> For news, you need to dig deeper in more recondite places...

   I go around the world every day. Whatever most sites
   seem to agree on is probably The Truth.

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#69323

On Thu, 3 Jul 2025 20:42:14 -0400, c186282 wrote:


>    I find DM reasonably 'enjoyable' - a sort of 'variety magazine'
>    plugged in to the mainstream culture. From time to time it DOES post
>    good sci/tech stuff.

If you like the Daily Mail

https://www.bild.de/

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#69326

On 2025-07-04 02:42, c186282 wrote:
>    I go around the world every day. Whatever most sites
>    seem to agree on is probably The Truth.

Maybe, maybe not. In my country, most media are right side shifted, so 
the majority of news are right shifted. Maybe the truth is in fact left 
side.

It is not that easy...

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#69338

On 7/4/25 4:20 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2025-07-04 02:42, c186282 wrote:
>>    I go around the world every day. Whatever most sites
>>    seem to agree on is probably The Truth.
> 
> Maybe, maybe not. In my country, most media are right side shifted, so 
> the majority of news are right shifted. Maybe the truth is in fact left 
> side.
> 
> It is not that easy...
> 

   RIGHT-side ???????????????

   Where have you BEEN dude ?

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#69327

On 04/07/2025 01:42, c186282 wrote:
> I go around the world every day. Whatever most sites
>    seem to agree on is probably The Truth.

A very dangerous assumption.
I simply assume they in the pay of the same entity.


-- 
In a Time of Universal Deceit, Telling the Truth Is a Revolutionary Act.

- George Orwell

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#69339

On 7/4/25 6:21 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 04/07/2025 01:42, c186282 wrote:
>> I go around the world every day. Whatever most sites
>>    seem to agree on is probably The Truth.
> 
> A very dangerous assumption.
> I simply assume they in the pay of the same entity.

   I try to go wide enough so that's kind of
   impossible. Several Euro, African, Asian,
   S.American news sites. No "They" own them all.

   On the flip, I do understand the diff between
   "consumer politics" and Machiavellian realpolitik.
   Always have to bear that in mind.

   In short, IT AIN'T EASY THESE DAYS.

   "Real" is more plastic than ever. Add more 'AI'
   and it becomes even worse.

   LONG LONG back I coined the term "Dali-Ocracy" ...
   a seeming reality where you can never be quite
   sure of what's actually real. The question is
   how long any sort of societies can persist if
   dealing with nothing but the surreal.

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#69341

On 05/07/2025 06:58, c186282 wrote:
> The question is
>    how long any sort of societies can persist if
>    dealing with nothing but the surreal.

Exactly. Game theory favours a psychopath in a nation of trustworthy 
people, but if everyone is psycho, the country tears itself apart.

In Russia there is no truth, Only what must be believed. And that falls 
apart on contact with reality.

-- 
“Some people like to travel by train because it combines the slowness of 
a car with the cramped public exposure of 
an airplane.”

Dennis Miller

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#69324

On 7/2/25 8:29 AM, Carl Fink wrote:
> On 2025-07-02, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
>> Misleading headline from the Mail ...
> 
> You just had to write, "Headline from the Mail."

   It does good stuff ... sometimes ....  :-)

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#69283

On Wed, 2 Jul 2025 07:59:00 +0100
Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

> > Microsoft is shutting down an essential feature in an app that
> > is used by millions to log into accounts.
> > 
> > The tech giant announced this week that users will no longer
> > be able to store passwords in its Authenticator app  
> 
> Misleading headline from the Mail, Authenticator is not being
> dropped, it'll continue for its main purpose as MFA, the app has had
> on-screen warnings for ages about password functionality going away

Won't stop people from being blindsided by it, no doubt - but ye gods,
if you're trusting MS with your passwords that's your first mistake
right there. I mean, they don't even guarantee backup of your O365
instance when you're *paying* them for it...!

(And WinAuth is a perfectly satisfactory substitute for Authenticator
in its primary role, thankfully; have never needed the name brand.)

Besides, haven't we been paying attention to Satya's messianic dog-and-
pony show? Products and services are irrelevant! Chatbots are the
Future Of Everything Forever! Real Soon Now, we promise!

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#69285

John Ames wrote:

> WinAuth is a perfectly satisfactory substitute for Authenticator
> in its primary role

I'm thinking of swapping to 2FAS, anyone used it?

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#69289

On Wed, 2 Jul 2025 07:55:58 -0700, John Ames wrote:

> Besides, haven't we been paying attention to Satya's messianic dog-and-
> pony show?

Remember his first slogan after taking over from The Sweaty One was 
“Mobile First, Cloud First”. Or was it “Cloud First, Mobile First”? I 
can’t remember now, which “First” was firster.

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#69286

On 2025-07-02 07:52, c186282 wrote:
>    Linux is a BIT better in this respect, although
>    we do see certain utilities that get depreciated
>    as their sole maintainers drop out. We all seem
>    to rely on a small inventory of 'geniuses' ...

Being pedantic, I believe it is "deprecated", not "depreciated" :-)

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#69288

On 02/07/2025 19:04, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2025-07-02 07:52, c186282 wrote:
>>    Linux is a BIT better in this respect, although
>>    we do see certain utilities that get depreciated
>>    as their sole maintainers drop out. We all seem
>>    to rely on a small inventory of 'geniuses' ...
> 
> Being pedantic, I believe it is "deprecated", not "depreciated" :-)
> 
Deprecated = not recommended
Depreciated = fallen in value.

Someone should tell the Town council that 'prescirbed' means indicated 
as to be used and 'proscribed' means forbidden. The next time they issue 
a parking ticket for 'parking in a prescribed place'.


-- 
"Corbyn talks about equality, justice, opportunity, health care, peace, 
community, compassion, investment, security, housing...."
"What kind of person is not interested in those things?"

"Jeremy Corbyn?"

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#69295

On 7/2/25 2:53 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 02/07/2025 19:04, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> On 2025-07-02 07:52, c186282 wrote:
>>>    Linux is a BIT better in this respect, although
>>>    we do see certain utilities that get depreciated
>>>    as their sole maintainers drop out. We all seem
>>>    to rely on a small inventory of 'geniuses' ...
>>
>> Being pedantic, I believe it is "deprecated", not "depreciated" :-)
>>
> Deprecated = not recommended
> Depreciated = fallen in value.

   Followed soon by "deceased".

> Someone should tell the Town council that 'prescirbed' means indicated 
> as to be used and 'proscribed' means forbidden. The next time they issue 
> a parking ticket for 'parking in a prescribed place'.

   Hey, dialects vary ... don't be an '-ist'  :-)

   Not much 'forsooth'-ing these days anymore either.

   With the rise of China we'll have to start adding
   more and more Mandarin terminology.

   I am a bit worried about the volume of 'single
   maintainer' software in Linux ...

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