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| Started by | CtrlAltDel <Altie@BHam.com> |
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| First post | 2025-05-21 20:17 +0000 |
| Last post | 2025-06-03 18:09 +0200 |
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Distros specifically designed for children CtrlAltDel <Altie@BHam.com> - 2025-05-21 20:17 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-21 22:42 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-05-21 13:47 -0700
Re: Distros specifically designed for children CtrlAltDel <Altie@BHam.com> - 2025-05-21 22:22 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-22 09:30 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-24 04:45 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-24 05:34 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-24 08:45 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-24 11:44 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-24 11:26 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-05-24 12:20 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-24 22:57 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-05-25 11:01 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-25 12:17 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-25 09:13 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-25 11:44 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-25 18:13 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-05-25 11:10 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-25 12:22 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-25 21:37 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-26 04:13 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-26 12:39 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-05-27 01:46 -0400
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-26 11:15 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-26 12:48 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-05-25 14:42 -0700
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-25 21:49 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-26 04:03 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-26 11:14 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-26 12:44 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-27 00:34 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-27 11:49 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-27 22:31 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-28 04:52 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-28 12:38 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-29 01:43 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-05-28 17:03 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-05-28 17:07 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-28 18:55 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-28 12:34 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-05-28 16:21 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-29 11:01 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-29 09:40 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-29 13:07 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-05-29 15:17 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-05-29 23:02 -0400
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-30 05:39 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-05-30 03:54 -0400
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-05-30 17:14 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-05-30 17:55 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-30 18:26 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-30 22:39 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-05-31 16:11 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-30 18:15 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-05-30 13:10 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-29 12:00 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-29 21:22 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-30 01:36 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-05-29 23:21 -0400
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-30 04:47 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-05-30 03:43 -0400
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-30 17:58 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-05-30 11:08 -0700
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-30 09:46 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-30 23:29 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-30 12:49 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-05-31 13:39 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-31 16:21 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-05-31 15:34 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-28 18:04 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-28 23:57 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-29 11:53 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-29 22:40 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-30 12:53 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-30 14:56 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-31 02:07 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-31 02:04 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-30 14:51 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-30 16:15 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-30 17:24 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-05-30 18:01 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-30 19:39 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-05-30 17:57 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-05-28 00:02 -0400
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-28 09:26 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-28 09:13 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-28 10:44 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-28 10:01 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-28 13:46 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-28 12:49 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-29 03:01 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-29 11:02 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-29 23:54 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-30 09:52 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-30 09:52 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-30 22:34 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2025-05-31 01:25 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Ian <gay@sfuu.ca> - 2025-05-30 23:37 -0700
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-31 06:51 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-31 08:31 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Ian <gay@sfuu.ca> - 2025-05-31 09:48 -0700
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-01 00:21 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Ian <gay@sfuu.ca> - 2025-05-31 17:47 -0700
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-01 06:03 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Ian <gay@sfuu.ca> - 2025-06-01 00:09 -0700
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-01 19:45 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Ian <gay@sfuu.ca> - 2025-06-01 13:47 -0700
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-02 02:12 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Ian <gay@sfuu.ca> - 2025-06-01 22:38 -0700
Re: Distros specifically designed for children "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-06-04 14:34 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-06-04 14:53 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-31 17:19 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-28 12:06 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-05-28 16:22 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-28 17:43 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-05-28 17:06 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-05-28 17:08 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-05-28 12:26 -0700
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-28 21:23 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-05-28 15:13 -0700
Re: Distros specifically designed for children John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-05-28 15:53 -0700
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-29 02:59 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-05-28 20:24 -0700
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-29 04:24 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-05-29 08:58 -0700
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-29 18:51 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-30 09:40 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-30 22:30 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-05-31 12:46 +1000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-05-30 23:20 -0400
Re: Distros specifically designed for children not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-05-31 13:49 +1000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-31 07:27 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-31 06:43 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-31 08:58 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-31 08:07 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-31 10:49 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-31 21:48 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-05-31 13:51 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-31 23:38 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-31 21:49 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-31 04:41 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-31 04:57 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-31 07:28 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-05-31 17:38 +1000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-31 08:18 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-31 17:24 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-06-01 06:07 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-31 10:51 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-05-31 13:49 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-31 07:25 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-31 06:45 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-31 09:01 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-03 00:17 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-31 07:24 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-29 22:43 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-05-29 17:54 -0700
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-30 01:52 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-05-29 23:47 -0400
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-30 09:53 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-05-29 23:52 -0400
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-29 02:58 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-05-28 23:45 -0400
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-05-29 18:36 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-30 01:46 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-30 09:37 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-29 11:04 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-29 09:42 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-29 12:21 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-29 22:42 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-29 18:48 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-29 21:23 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-30 01:42 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-05-29 23:09 -0400
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-30 05:18 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-05-30 03:46 -0400
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-30 18:36 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Joerg Walther <joerg.walther@magenta.de> - 2025-05-29 13:10 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-29 12:29 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-29 12:11 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-29 13:50 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-29 23:50 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-30 12:43 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-29 23:49 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-28 18:11 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-28 19:18 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-28 23:40 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-29 02:55 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-05-28 23:47 -0400
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-29 05:48 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-05-29 02:04 -0400
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-29 18:30 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-30 09:36 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-29 11:06 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-29 09:42 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-29 12:22 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-29 19:13 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-29 21:24 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-30 01:48 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-30 09:55 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-30 09:45 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-30 13:24 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-30 14:42 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-30 16:08 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-30 18:08 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-30 19:42 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-30 22:25 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-31 07:29 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-31 06:49 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-31 09:04 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-31 08:27 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-31 10:59 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-31 12:43 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-31 12:07 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-05-31 14:03 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-31 23:44 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-06-01 10:49 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-06-01 13:58 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-01 19:52 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-01 22:46 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-06-02 05:23 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-02 08:37 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-06-02 07:47 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-02 09:02 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-06-02 10:51 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-02 12:57 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-06-02 14:58 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-06-02 15:38 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-06-02 14:59 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-06-03 07:17 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-06-03 11:58 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-06-06 18:33 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-07 02:22 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-06-08 03:39 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-06-02 09:58 -0700
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-06-02 18:05 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-06-02 09:06 -0700
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-06-03 07:22 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-30 18:05 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-30 14:40 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-30 22:23 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-29 19:11 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-29 12:07 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-29 13:47 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-05-30 08:41 +1000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-30 08:32 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-05-30 11:59 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-30 12:21 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-30 18:44 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-30 12:46 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-05-31 12:27 +1000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-31 02:42 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-05-31 13:39 +1000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-31 04:49 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-05-31 17:56 +1000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-31 08:25 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-31 11:02 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-06-02 09:13 -0700
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-03 00:24 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-06-03 07:24 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-03 09:21 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-06-03 11:01 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-03 10:26 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-06-03 12:35 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-03 12:37 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-06-03 18:32 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-04 04:23 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-04 12:01 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-04 00:19 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-04 00:18 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-03 22:01 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-06-03 12:05 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-06-03 17:00 +0200
GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces (was: Re: Distros specifically designed for children) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-03 10:36 +0100
Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-03 11:32 +0100
Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-03 19:24 +0000
Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-04 11:54 +0100
Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces (was: Re: Distros specifically designed for children) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-06-03 08:42 -0700
Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-03 17:37 +0100
Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces (was: Re: Distros specifically designed for children) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-04 00:15 +0000
Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-06-04 06:50 -0400
Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-04 13:02 +0100
Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-04 23:12 +0000
Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-06-07 16:00 +0000
Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces (was: Re: Distros specifically designed for children) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-06-04 08:48 -0700
Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces (was: Re: Distros specifically designed for children) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-04 23:14 +0000
Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces (was: Re: Distros specifically designed for children) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-06-05 08:45 -0700
Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces (was: Re: Distros specifically designed for children) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-05 23:42 +0000
Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces (was: Re: Distros specifically designed for children) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-06-06 08:32 -0700
Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces (was: Re: Distros specifically designed for children) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-06-06 08:37 -0700
Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces (was: Re: Distros specifically designed for children) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-07 02:19 +0000
Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-06-07 07:05 -0400
Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-06-08 03:46 +0000
Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-08 00:25 -0400
Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-06-08 08:25 -0400
Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-08 18:25 +0000
Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-06-09 08:47 -0400
Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-06-08 23:05 +0000
Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces (was: Re: Distros specifically designed for children) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-06-09 15:34 -0700
Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces (was: Re: Distros specifically designed for children) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-10 01:10 +0000
Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces (was: Re: Distros specifically designed for children) Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-06-10 07:44 +0200
Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-06-10 14:14 +0000
Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-06-10 09:16 -0700
Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-10 23:45 +0000
Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces (was: Re: Distros specifically designed for children) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-06-06 21:02 +0000
Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-06-06 15:03 +0000
Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces (was: Re: Distros specifically designed for children) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-06 00:09 -0400
Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-05 10:46 +0100
Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-06-05 08:54 -0700
Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-05 23:46 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-29 19:02 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-28 23:11 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-29 12:06 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-05-29 09:55 -0700
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-29 23:53 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-29 15:39 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-29 23:51 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-05-29 23:07 -0400
Re: Distros specifically designed for children c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-05-28 23:23 -0400
Re: Distros specifically designed for children John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-05-29 09:51 -0700
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-29 23:58 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-05-30 11:20 -0700
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-30 22:19 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-28 09:09 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-28 12:03 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-28 23:14 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-05-26 01:10 -0400
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-05-31 13:33 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-31 18:37 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-05-31 18:49 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-26 11:11 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-26 12:42 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-05-26 18:11 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-26 20:47 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-05-27 03:10 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-05-27 02:05 -0400
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-27 11:39 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-27 12:45 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-28 12:46 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-05-27 23:48 -0400
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-28 05:04 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-05-28 02:33 -0400
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-28 09:07 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-28 12:49 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-27 00:39 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-27 11:37 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-27 22:28 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-05-27 17:08 -0700
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-28 01:28 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-05-28 00:08 -0400
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-28 04:59 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-05-28 02:37 -0400
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-28 11:56 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-28 14:47 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-28 23:05 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-29 12:21 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-29 13:53 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2025-05-29 18:20 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-29 18:54 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-05-29 09:35 -0700
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-30 12:38 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-05-30 18:06 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-31 09:25 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-29 22:34 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-05-27 23:42 -0400
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-28 09:03 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-05-28 23:38 -0400
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-05-31 13:38 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-28 11:51 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-28 23:06 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-29 12:29 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-29 13:57 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2025-05-29 18:23 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-29 18:51 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-05-29 09:37 -0700
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-30 12:33 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-30 16:12 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-30 23:07 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-31 00:41 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-31 03:17 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-30 22:15 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-30 22:56 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-30 23:27 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-31 09:27 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-31 11:07 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-31 17:27 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-31 22:21 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-31 23:04 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-05-31 19:06 -0700
Re: Distros specifically designed for children c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-01 01:33 -0400
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-06-02 11:35 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-02 13:03 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-02 17:04 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-02 22:48 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-06-02 10:08 -0700
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-02 22:50 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-06-03 07:26 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-03 09:45 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-06-03 11:02 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-03 10:47 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-03 00:05 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-06-03 02:08 +0000
OT: [I'm not even sure what to write here] (was: Re: Distros specifically designed for children) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-03 10:40 +0100
Re: OT: [I'm not even sure what to write here] The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-03 11:45 +0100
Re: OT: [I'm not even sure what to write here] Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-06-03 13:07 +0000
Re: OT: [I'm not even sure what to write here] (was: Re: Distros specifically designed for children) Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-06-03 12:58 +0000
Re: OT: [I'm not even sure what to write here] Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-03 15:02 +0100
Re: OT: [I'm not even sure what to write here] rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-03 19:16 +0000
Re: OT: [I'm not even sure what to write here] Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-06-04 10:13 +0000
Re: OT: [I'm not even sure what to write here] (was: Re: Distros specifically designed for children) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-03 18:46 +0000
Re: OT: [I'm not even sure what to write here] Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-04 00:41 +0100
Re: OT: [I'm not even sure what to write here] rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-04 05:04 +0000
Re: OT: [I'm not even sure what to write here] The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-04 11:52 +0100
Re: OT: [I'm not even sure what to write here] rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-04 20:06 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Popping Mad <rainbow@colition.gov> - 2025-06-03 12:23 -0400
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-03 08:11 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-06-03 02:03 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-03 06:14 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-03 09:02 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-03 17:49 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-03 19:20 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-04 04:10 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-04 11:56 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-04 18:26 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-04 20:36 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-04 19:10 -0400
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-05 09:41 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-07 01:36 -0400
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-06-08 17:41 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-08 18:22 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-08 21:27 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-08 21:26 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-04 01:28 -0400
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-04 12:13 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-04 19:10 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-03 09:01 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-06-03 13:24 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-03 15:37 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-06-04 10:35 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-04 01:26 -0400
Re: Distros specifically designed for children vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-06-04 06:13 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-04 12:13 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-06-04 20:50 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-06-06 18:35 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-07 01:06 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-07 01:05 -0400
Re: Distros specifically designed for children CtrlAltDel <Altie@BHam.com> - 2025-06-02 07:20 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-02 08:41 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children CtrlAltDel <Altie@BHam.com> - 2025-06-02 08:15 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-02 10:17 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children CtrlAltDel <Altie@BHam.com> - 2025-06-02 09:57 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-02 12:56 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children CtrlAltDel <Altie@BHam.com> - 2025-06-03 00:08 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-02 17:44 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-02 22:51 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-03 00:11 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-03 08:12 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-04 01:17 -0400
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-04 12:06 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-06-03 01:56 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-03 08:22 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-03 17:58 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-03 19:22 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-06-03 18:32 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-04 04:48 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-04 11:49 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-04 19:28 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-04 01:22 -0400
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-04 12:11 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-31 23:09 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-06-02 11:30 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-02 13:02 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-06-03 01:51 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-03 04:12 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-06-03 13:26 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-03 15:51 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-06-03 15:50 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-04 00:09 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-03 21:57 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-04 04:16 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-06-04 10:29 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-06-04 06:45 -0400
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-04 12:48 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-04 22:56 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-04 19:32 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-06-04 10:25 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-04 12:19 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-06-04 15:08 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-04 16:40 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-04 18:43 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-04 23:01 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-04 18:39 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-03 00:26 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-06-03 01:47 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-04 00:11 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-06-02 21:24 -0700
Re: Distros specifically designed for children c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-03 00:54 -0400
OT: fascism, far-right (was: Re: Distros specifically designed for children) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-03 10:46 +0100
Re: OT: fascism, far-right Popping Mad <rainbow@colition.gov> - 2025-06-03 12:20 -0400
Re: OT: fascism, far-right Allodoxaphobia <trepidation@example.net> - 2025-06-04 13:37 +0000
Re: OT: fascism, far-right The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-04 15:13 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children CtrlAltDel <Altie@BHam.com> - 2025-05-31 00:35 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-31 03:22 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-07-27 15:24 -0700
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-28 13:08 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-07-28 21:46 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-07-28 14:52 -0700
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-07-28 22:04 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-29 06:20 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-28 23:19 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-29 06:14 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-29 11:36 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-29 18:35 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-29 22:29 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children CtrlAltDel <Altie@BHam.com> - 2025-05-31 22:16 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-31 23:30 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children CtrlAltDel <Altie@BHam.com> - 2025-05-31 22:58 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-01 01:32 -0400
Re: Distros specifically designed for children "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-05-21 18:29 -0400
Re: Distros specifically designed for children CtrlAltDel <Altie@BHam.com> - 2025-05-21 23:22 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2025-05-21 23:51 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-22 01:05 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-22 09:34 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-22 09:32 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-22 00:01 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-22 16:03 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children CtrlAltDel <Altie@BHam.com> - 2025-05-22 20:14 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-22 22:27 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-22 23:26 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-23 06:41 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-23 08:48 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Harold Stevens <wookie@aspen.localdomain> - 2025-05-23 04:03 -0500
Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-23 09:17 +0100
Re: Distros specifically designed for children CtrlAltDel <Altie@BHam.com> - 2025-05-23 23:42 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 <jaworski1978@adres.pl> - 2025-05-24 07:39 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 <jaworski1978@adres.pl> - 2025-05-24 10:27 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-24 08:55 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2025-05-22 21:04 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2025-05-24 13:47 +0000
Re: Distros specifically designed for children jayjwa <jayjwa@atr2.ath.cx.invalid> - 2025-05-25 12:45 -0400
Re: Distros specifically designed for children 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 <jaworski1978@adres.pl> - 2025-06-03 18:00 +0200
Re: Distros specifically designed for children 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 <jaworski1978@adres.pl> - 2025-06-03 18:09 +0200
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| From | Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> |
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| Date | 2025-06-03 11:01 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <101mdkc$2ik46$1@news1.tnib.de> |
| In reply to | #68221 |
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: >e.g. We will make your default to be IPV6 enabled even though no one is >actually using it There is nothing wrong with that. Nothing breaks when IPv6 gets enabled. >Or systemd. No init script broke because there was another program invoking it. >Its all very MCP like "Fuck the users, we are the cool people" > >That's why stupid people like Apple. They spend the time on a user >interface, insist that its the only way to use it, and document it. And yet apple is the company who cares the least about leaving obsolete things behind. They just do it. Windows carried on with the Win16 API for two decades because _their_ App developers couldn't be bothered with upgrading. Apple just says "your 32bit apps are going to stop working with iOS 18" and the app developers shuffle along. Greetings Marc -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marc Haber | " Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header Rhein-Neckar, DE | Beginning of Wisdom " | Nordisch by Nature | Lt. Worf, TNG "Rightful Heir" | Fon: *49 6224 1600402
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-06-03 10:26 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <101mf4d$3sucd$5@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #68223 |
On 03/06/2025 10:01, Marc Haber wrote: > The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: >> e.g. We will make your default to be IPV6 enabled even though no one is >> actually using it > > There is nothing wrong with that. Nothing breaks when IPv6 gets > enabled. > I beg to differ. BIND9 broke for me entirely because it was looking to connect via IPV6 to DNS servers that it couldn't reach,. I made it work as befire by disabling its entiure ability to accepot V6 requests or contact DNS srevers vi V6 >> Or systemd. > > No init script broke because there was another program invoking it. > Well yes, some did. in my case IIRC NFS came up before wifi had established contact, delaying boot for minutes. Someone moved WIFI into userland and gave it a low startup priority while NFS had not been given a systemd dependency that included wifi. >> Its all very MCP like "Fuck the users, we are the cool people" >> >> That's why stupid people like Apple. They spend the time on a user >> interface, insist that its the only way to use it, and document it. > > And yet apple is the company who cares the least about leaving > obsolete things behind. They just do it. Windows carried on with the > Win16 API for two decades because _their_ App developers couldn't be > bothered with upgrading. Apple just says "your 32bit apps are going to > stop working with iOS 18" and the app developers shuffle along. > My point exactly. Apple makes things simple for stupid people at considerable expense to the numpties who buy it. I remember vividly a conversation with my lead programmer: 'how long will it take to build that'? 'Oh about a couple of days' 'And to document it afterwards'. 'Um - make that a week, then' And the more 'feature rich' the code is the more documentation it needs. > Greetings > Marc -- Gun Control: The law that ensures that only criminals have guns.
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| From | Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> |
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| Date | 2025-06-03 12:35 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <101mj57$2j0km$1@news1.tnib.de> |
| In reply to | #68226 |
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: >On 03/06/2025 10:01, Marc Haber wrote: >> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: >>> e.g. We will make your default to be IPV6 enabled even though no one is >>> actually using it >> >> There is nothing wrong with that. Nothing breaks when IPv6 gets >> enabled. >> >I beg to differ. BIND9 broke for me entirely because it was looking to >connect via IPV6 to DNS servers that it couldn't reach,. It should have tried IPv4 then. Since there are gazillion possible misconfigurations that break these features of IPv6, more in-depth debugging or analysis is not possible at this place. I apologize for that. >>> Or systemd. >> >> No init script broke because there was another program invoking it. >> >Well yes, some did. > >in my case IIRC NFS came up before wifi had established contact, >delaying boot for minutes. > >Someone moved WIFI into userland and gave it a low startup priority >while NFS had not been given a systemd dependency that included wifi. Misconfiguration of services is not systemd's fault. Things like that happen. Greetings Marc -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marc Haber | " Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header Rhein-Neckar, DE | Beginning of Wisdom " | Nordisch by Nature | Lt. Worf, TNG "Rightful Heir" | Fon: *49 6224 1600402
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-06-03 12:37 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <101mmqb$3uskc$7@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #68234 |
On 03/06/2025 11:35, Marc Haber wrote:
> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> On 03/06/2025 10:01, Marc Haber wrote:
>>> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>> e.g. We will make your default to be IPV6 enabled even though no one is
>>>> actually using it
>>>
>>> There is nothing wrong with that. Nothing breaks when IPv6 gets
>>> enabled.
>>>
>> I beg to differ. BIND9 broke for me entirely because it was looking to
>> connect via IPV6 to DNS servers that it couldn't reach,.
>
> It should have tried IPv4 then. Since there are gazillion possible
> misconfigurations that break these features of IPv6, more in-depth
> debugging or analysis is not possible at this place. I apologize for
> that.
>
Oh indeed. I am not going to blame IPV6 explicitly, its simply the
result of innovation that the customer doesn't necessarily want or need,
made the default by bright eyed bushy tailed coders with 'modern' ideas.
>>>> Or systemd.
>>>
>>> No init script broke because there was another program invoking it.
>>>
>> Well yes, some did.
>>
>> in my case IIRC NFS came up before wifi had established contact,
>> delaying boot for minutes.
>>
>> Someone moved WIFI into userland and gave it a low startup priority
>> while NFS had not been given a systemd dependency that included wifi.
>
> Misconfiguration of services is not systemd's fault. Things like that
> happen.
But systemd made those service files necessary in the first place.
Its not a criticism of any piece of code per se, its simply the result
of rushing through the new before the old has had a chance to adapt to it
Illustration:
One of our customers phones up...
'Your (its always ours when there was a problem) internet has stopped
working'.
'Oh, remind what you have?'
'Its a Cisco router going through our ISDN system'
'Ah, you have an ISDN PABX, not a single ISDN 64 link then?.
'Yes'
'Has anything changed in the setup recently'
'Yes., the ISDN firmware was upgraded yesterday'...
You can guess the rest. ISDN was downgraded to the version that actually
worked and I heard no more
Innovation, even with the best of intentions, often breaks existing
setups in unexpected ways.
Which is why some of us here are so against innovation *for the sake of
it*. 'Creeping featurism' in programs that used to work well. 'Way of
the future' upgrades to operating system that render old hardware and
software inoperable.
Software written by people who like to code, or do graphic design , not
to make easily understandable ergonomic user interfaces, do extensive
debugging, or write documentation.
Lazy, spoilt compSci BRATS.
>
> Greetings
> Marc
--
“The fundamental cause of the trouble in the modern world today is that
the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt."
- Bertrand Russell
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-06-03 18:32 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <pdH%P.677862$McHf.101855@fx15.iad> |
| In reply to | #68237 |
On 2025-06-03, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: > Which is why some of us here are so against innovation *for the sake of > it*. 'Creeping featurism' in programs that used to work well. 'Way of > the future' upgrades to operating system that render old hardware and > software inoperable. > > Software written by people who like to code, or do graphic design , not > to make easily understandable ergonomic user interfaces, do extensive > debugging, or write documentation. Or they re-define "ergonomic" to mean whatever their shit is this week. > Lazy, spoilt compSci BRATS. Sing it, brother. -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | Growth for the sake of \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | growth is the ideology X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | of the cancer cell. / \ if you read it the right way. | -- Edward Abbey
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-06-04 04:23 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <maa01qFgg9qU7@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #68272 |
On Tue, 03 Jun 2025 18:32:53 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > Or they re-define "ergonomic" to mean whatever their shit is this week. My favorite word. I've driven everything from AH Sprites to Kenworth diesels and the most uncomfortable car I ever drove was an ergonomically designed Audi. They used someone else's ergos. After we split my ex traded it for a Rabbit and I thought that was a step upward. Audi has come a long ways since the early '70s. Then there are ergonomic mice. Great, I guess, if you're a right handed herd creature. I'm too cheap to have ever bought one of those Star Wars ergonomic keyboards so I can't address them.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-06-04 12:01 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <101p922$ojp1$17@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #68288 |
On 04/06/2025 05:23, rbowman wrote: > On Tue, 03 Jun 2025 18:32:53 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > >> Or they re-define "ergonomic" to mean whatever their shit is this week. > > My favorite word. I've driven everything from AH Sprites to Kenworth > diesels and the most uncomfortable car I ever drove was an ergonomically > designed Audi. They used someone else's ergos. After we split my ex traded > it for a Rabbit and I thought that was a step upward. Audi has come a long > ways since the early '70s. > > Then there are ergonomic mice. Great, I guess, if you're a right handed > herd creature. I'm too cheap to have ever bought one of those Star Wars > ergonomic keyboards so I can't address them. REAL ergonomics is supported by testing. It has been shown that people can read - e.g. - an analogue dial and pointer alitmeter in about 1/3rd the time they can read a digital display. So aircraft have those. They can find a knob or switch by feel, but not a touch screen, so aircraft have physical knobs and switches. Consumer 'ergonomics' consists in making it look attractive. So silly people will *buy* it. It doesn't have to actually work, in fact if it doesn't they will be back next year for the newer model ... -- “It is not the truth of Marxism that explains the willingness of intellectuals to believe it, but the power that it confers on intellectuals, in their attempts to control the world. And since...it is futile to reason someone out of a thing that he was not reasoned into, we can conclude that Marxism owes its remarkable power to survive every criticism to the fact that it is not a truth-directed but a power-directed system of thought.” Sir Roger Scruton
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| From | Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-06-04 00:19 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <101o3es$br8d$6@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #68237 |
On Tue, 3 Jun 2025 12:37:47 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > Software written by people who like to code, or do graphic design , not > to make easily understandable ergonomic user interfaces, do extensive > debugging, or write documentation. > > Lazy, spoilt compSci BRATS. Naturally that doesn’t apply to you, because you wouldn’t know how to do any of those tasks, would you?
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| From | Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-06-04 00:18 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <101o3c7$br8d$5@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #68226 |
On Tue, 3 Jun 2025 10:26:37 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > Someone moved WIFI into userland and gave it a low startup priority > while NFS had not been given a systemd dependency that included wifi. The design of the systemd service config system makes that easy to fix. Presumably the distro maintainers fixed it themselves soon after, once they received your bug report (and accompanying patch).
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| From | Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-06-03 22:01 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <101nrbm$9hgt$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #68221 |
On Tue, 3 Jun 2025 09:21:47 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > My beef with programs like GIMP and blender is that huge amounts of > effort go into the cunning 'features' that they have, and almost none > into some sort of vaguely consistent way to access those features, or > explain why you might want to use them or help you use them. There are plenty of tutorials on those Free Software tools, and others, like Inkscape. YouTube, for example, is full of helpful videos giving tips and tricks, often from those who are making a professional living from those very tools. > Too often You Tube videos apply to the version you don't have on an OS > you don't have that simply doesn't have the same menus. That I don’t understand. The tutes tend to cover the latest versions, because there is great interest in learning what’s new. Maybe it would be helpful to see specific examples of what you mean. > That's why stupid people like Apple. I take it you don’t include yourself among that group?
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| From | Rich <rich@example.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-06-03 12:05 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <101modj$3vdni$5@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #68210 |
Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> wrote: > Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >>On Mon, 2 Jun 2025 09:13:48 -0700, John Ames wrote: >> >>> GIMP is deeply frustrating because it's a lot of very solid technical >>> functionality married to a cargo-cult version of the Photoshop UI ... >> >>That’s strange, isn’t it, since most of the Adobe-lovers who don’t like >>GIMP primarily say it’s because its UI is too different from Photoshop. > > So it is similar enough so that non-experts see a similarity, and > different enough that it's too different for photoshop fans. The photoshop fans (the true users) complain that GIMP is not *identical* to Photoshop's UI -- because all their muscle memory and memorized keystroke shortcuts are broken by even the slightest difference.
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| From | Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> |
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| Date | 2025-06-03 17:00 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <101n2nb$2ka83$1@news1.tnib.de> |
| In reply to | #68242 |
Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote: >Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> wrote: >> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >>>On Mon, 2 Jun 2025 09:13:48 -0700, John Ames wrote: >>> >>>> GIMP is deeply frustrating because it's a lot of very solid technical >>>> functionality married to a cargo-cult version of the Photoshop UI ... >>> >>>That’s strange, isn’t it, since most of the Adobe-lovers who don’t like >>>GIMP primarily say it’s because its UI is too different from Photoshop. >> >> So it is similar enough so that non-experts see a similarity, and >> different enough that it's too different for photoshop fans. > >The photoshop fans (the true users) complain that GIMP is not >*identical* to Photoshop's UI -- because all their muscle memory and >memorized keystroke shortcuts are broken by even the slightest >difference. That's what I mean. Greetings Marc -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marc Haber | " Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header Rhein-Neckar, DE | Beginning of Wisdom " | Nordisch by Nature | Lt. Worf, TNG "Rightful Heir" | Fon: *49 6224 1600402
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| From | Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-06-03 10:36 +0100 |
| Subject | GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces (was: Re: Distros specifically designed for children) |
| Message-ID | <101mfnp$3tnqt$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #68190 |
On 2025-06-03, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: > On Mon, 2 Jun 2025 09:13:48 -0700, John Ames wrote: > >> GIMP is deeply frustrating because it's a lot of very solid technical >> functionality married to a cargo-cult version of the Photoshop UI ... > > That’s strange, isn’t it, since most of the Adobe-lovers who don’t like > GIMP primarily say it’s because its UI is too different from Photoshop. > > You think it would be better if it were *more* different? I'd say wanting to jump to a different program without having to learn or read documentation is having unrealistic assumptions. Sure, you *can* have programs designed to be "compatible" UI-wise, but unless that's a main design goal, there are going to be differences. > (As if large parts of what is nowadays associated with the Photoshop UI is > in fact original with Photoshop ...) What is even the GIMP UI nowadays? I haven't used it in some time, but I've already gotten confused by changes, it seemed someone wanted to make it more like a "main menu" and "main window"-driven program, so at least at some point it did change. Is it stable now, or has it embraced the Firefox approach to UI design? -- Nuno Silva
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-06-03 11:32 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces |
| Message-ID | <101mj08$3uskc$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #68228 |
On 03/06/2025 10:36, Nuno Silva wrote: > On 2025-06-03, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: > >> On Mon, 2 Jun 2025 09:13:48 -0700, John Ames wrote: >> >>> GIMP is deeply frustrating because it's a lot of very solid technical >>> functionality married to a cargo-cult version of the Photoshop UI ... >> >> That’s strange, isn’t it, since most of the Adobe-lovers who don’t like >> GIMP primarily say it’s because its UI is too different from Photoshop. >> >> You think it would be better if it were *more* different? > > I'd say wanting to jump to a different program without having to learn > or read documentation is having unrealistic assumptions. Sure, you *can* > have programs designed to be "compatible" UI-wise, but unless that's a > main design goal, there are going to be differences. > >> (As if large parts of what is nowadays associated with the Photoshop UI is >> in fact original with Photoshop ...) > > What is even the GIMP UI nowadays? I haven't used it in some time, but > I've already gotten confused by changes, it seemed someone wanted to > make it more like a "main menu" and "main window"-driven program, so at > least at some point it did change. > > Is it stable now, or has it embraced the Firefox approach to UI design? > Lord knows. I'm only one the earlier version and that is pretty incomprehensible to me. I still can't do layers properly. -- "Nature does not give up the winter because people dislike the cold." ― Confucius
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-06-03 19:24 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces |
| Message-ID | <ma90fcFcl6qU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #68233 |
On Tue, 3 Jun 2025 11:32:40 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > I'm only one the earlier version and that is pretty incomprehensible to > me. I still can't do layers properly. My last go-around with GIMP was an attempt to edit some SVG icons, simple stuff like changing the foreground color or make the background transparent. iirc I wound up with a lot of little windows. This box has 2.10.38 and it looks different to what I remember but I don't have a use for it. Way back when icons appeared and you were supposed to create them I figured it was going to suck. I never could create one that looked like much of anything let alone a file folder.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-06-04 11:54 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces |
| Message-ID | <101p8ke$ojp1$15@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #68277 |
On 03/06/2025 20:24, rbowman wrote: > On Tue, 3 Jun 2025 11:32:40 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >> I'm only one the earlier version and that is pretty incomprehensible to >> me. I still can't do layers properly. > > My last go-around with GIMP was an attempt to edit some SVG icons, simple > stuff like changing the foreground color or make the background > transparent. iirc I wound up with a lot of little windows. > > This box has 2.10.38 and it looks different to what I remember but I don't > have a use for it. Way back when icons appeared and you were supposed to > create them I figured it was going to suck. I never could create one that > looked like much of anything let alone a file folder. Which is why I use Corel Draw - or a 3D modelling program - and export t he view as a bitmap. Far easier. -- Microsoft : the best reason to go to Linux that ever existed.
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| From | John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-06-03 08:42 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces (was: Re: Distros specifically designed for children) |
| Message-ID | <20250603084203.00007f94@gmail.com> |
| In reply to | #68228 |
On Tue, 03 Jun 2025 10:36:57 +0100 Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> wrote: > > That’s strange, isn’t it, since most of the Adobe-lovers who don’t > > like GIMP primarily say it’s because its UI is too different from > > Photoshop. > > > > You think it would be better if it were *more* different? > > I'd say wanting to jump to a different program without having to learn > or read documentation is having unrealistic assumptions. Sure, you > *can* have programs designed to be "compatible" UI-wise, but unless > that's a main design goal, there are going to be differences. It's not about "different programs do things differently" - yes, that does happen, but GIMP's UI design is just kinda shoddy even on its own merits. To cite one convenient example, the designers clearly have no idea what the point is of keyboard accelerators in menus & dialogs; they'll often assign the same accelerator key to multiple controls on the same window so that, instead of quick-navigating through things with a sequence of keystrokes you can commit to muscle memory, you're obliged to look at the screen to *see* which control you've selected - at which point you might as well have just used the mouse. Like, even if they'd picked a different *set* of accelerators than Photoshop for $REASONS, doing it the right way would let you achieve a comparable efficiency of workflow; but they don't really understand or care about good UI design, so they didn't. Adobe are bastards through and through, but they know the reason they can get away with it is that they have the best workflow in the business and working professionals care more about Getting Shit Done than not supporting bastardry, so they *do* make the effort. (I'd also cite, as another example, that they have no idea what the point of context menus is, either - right-clicking in the document window brings up a *whole entire copy* of the main-window menu tree hanging off the mouse pointer, which is utterly bonkers from a usability standpoint - but I'd have to go back to check and make sure that they didn't finally do something at least marginally saner since I last looked.)
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-06-03 17:37 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces |
| Message-ID | <101n8d0$44c6$6@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #68255 |
On 03/06/2025 16:42, John Ames wrote: > On Tue, 03 Jun 2025 10:36:57 +0100 > Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> wrote: > >>> That’s strange, isn’t it, since most of the Adobe-lovers who don’t >>> like GIMP primarily say it’s because its UI is too different from >>> Photoshop. >>> >>> You think it would be better if it were *more* different? >> >> I'd say wanting to jump to a different program without having to learn >> or read documentation is having unrealistic assumptions. Sure, you >> *can* have programs designed to be "compatible" UI-wise, but unless >> that's a main design goal, there are going to be differences. > > It's not about "different programs do things differently" - yes, that > does happen, but GIMP's UI design is just kinda shoddy even on its own > merits. > > To cite one convenient example, the designers clearly have no idea what > the point is of keyboard accelerators in menus & dialogs; they'll often > assign the same accelerator key to multiple controls on the same window > so that, instead of quick-navigating through things with a sequence of > keystrokes you can commit to muscle memory, you're obliged to look at > the screen to *see* which control you've selected - at which point you > might as well have just used the mouse. > > Like, even if they'd picked a different *set* of accelerators than > Photoshop for $REASONS, doing it the right way would let you achieve a > comparable efficiency of workflow; but they don't really understand or > care about good UI design, so they didn't. Adobe are bastards through > and through, but they know the reason they can get away with it is that > they have the best workflow in the business and working professionals > care more about Getting Shit Done than not supporting bastardry, so > they *do* make the effort. > > (I'd also cite, as another example, that they have no idea what the > point of context menus is, either - right-clicking in the document > window brings up a *whole entire copy* of the main-window menu tree > hanging off the mouse pointer, which is utterly bonkers from a > usability standpoint - but I'd have to go back to check and make sure > that they didn't finally do something at least marginally saner since I > last looked.) > I take my hat off to you for even going that far into the whole GIMP UI mess, -- All political activity makes complete sense once the proposition that all government is basically a self-legalising protection racket, is fully understood.
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| From | Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-06-04 00:15 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces (was: Re: Distros specifically designed for children) |
| Message-ID | <101o377$br8d$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #68255 |
On Tue, 3 Jun 2025 08:42:03 -0700, John Ames wrote: > To cite one convenient example, the designers clearly have no idea what > the point is of keyboard accelerators in menus & dialogs; they'll often > assign the same accelerator key to multiple controls on the same > window ... I fired up GIMP 3 and had a quick look round at several dialogs. I simply could not find any examples of what you’re talking about. > (I'd also cite, as another example, that they have no idea what the > point of context menus is, either - right-clicking in the document > window brings up a *whole entire copy* of the main-window menu tree > hanging off the mouse pointer, which is utterly bonkers from a usability > standpoint ... It does still take advantage of Fitts’ Law though, doesn’t it. Is there some other point to context menus?
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| From | Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> |
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| Date | 2025-06-04 06:50 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces |
| Message-ID | <101p8dh$otht$6@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #68283 |
Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:
> On Tue, 3 Jun 2025 08:42:03 -0700, John Ames wrote:
>
>> To cite one convenient example, the designers clearly have no idea what
>> the point is of keyboard accelerators in menus & dialogs; they'll often
>> assign the same accelerator key to multiple controls on the same
>> window ...
>
> I fired up GIMP 3 and had a quick look round at several dialogs. I simply
> could not find any examples of what you’re talking about.
>
>> (I'd also cite, as another example, that they have no idea what the
>> point of context menus is, either - right-clicking in the document
>> window brings up a *whole entire copy* of the main-window menu tree
>> hanging off the mouse pointer, which is utterly bonkers from a usability
>> standpoint ...
>
> It does still take advantage of Fitts’ Law though, doesn’t it. Is there
> some other point to context menus?
I use GIMP a lot. If I need to do something new to me, I just goo-goo
for the answer.
Tools with a lot of functionality take some time to learn.
<https://www.amazon.com/Book-GIMP-Complete-Nearly-Everything/dp/1593273835>
--
History, n.:
Papa Hegel he say that all we learn from history is that we
learn nothing from history. I know people who can't even learn from
what happened this morning. Hegel must have been taking the long view.
-- Chad C. Mulligan, "The Hipcrime Vocab"
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