Re: smart plugs???

From	Mike Scott <usenet.16@scottsonline.org.uk.invalid>
Newsgroups	comp.os.linux.misc, alt.os.linux.mint
Subject	Re: smart plugs???
Date	2025-01-17 16:42 +0000
Organization	Scott family
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On 16/01/2025 20:48, Phillip wrote:
> I don't disagree that most users are not likely to be able to set up 
> complex things, but realistically, companies should always make it 
> possible to bypass their cloud service. The ruse is "people are too 
> stupid to do this" as an excuse for cloud services being obligatory. 
> Even though, they actually aren't. Just give users the option to bypass 
.....
> 
> Offer users the option, if they want it. But never force it or make it 
.....
> 
> This is how it should be. And for users that want all that cloud stuff, 
> it can be optional available to them.
> 
> Anyone that thinks these things should be forced is just perpetuating an 
> abusive system or just lacks knowledge on how these things work.

(OP)

+1.

With the added note that control of all these cloud-based gizmos is 
probably located in China. Perhaps not the best of ideas in the current 
climate.


-- 
Mike Scott
Harlow, England

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                Re: smart plugs??? Mike Scott <usenet.16@scottsonline.org.uk.invalid> - 2025-01-17 19:05 +0000
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