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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
| Subject | Re: The Web (HTML) Sux |
| References | (10 earlier) <20251222144314.000060d0@gmail.com> <10icj90$3snlp$2@dont-email.me> <20251222153725.000058b6@gmail.com> <10icl7j$3t6jc$2@dont-email.me> <20251223095921.00004fba@gmail.com> |
| Message-ID | <uGD2R.380051$ACS3.140455@fx17.iad> (permalink) |
| Date | 2025-12-23 21:18 +0000 |
On 2025-12-23, John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> wrote: > On Mon, 22 Dec 2025 23:45:56 -0000 (UTC) > Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: > >>> Separation of form from content does *not* mean that web designers >>> are obligated to use overwrought, kludgy, or abusive design patterns >>> that the user then has to direct their browser to ignore. That's an >>> absurd thing to say. >> >> “Beauty lies in the eye of the beholder” would seem to be the most >> polite response. > > You can argue that it's a matter of taste if you like. For myself, I am > entirely comfortable saying that overwrought, kludgy, and (especially) > abusive patterns are *objectively bad web design,* in the same way that > the people in charge of Grenfell Tower were engaging in objectively bad > architectural renovations (thankfully, fewer people die as a result of > bad web design, most years,) and that web designers who employ them are > bad and should stop. On the other hand, web sites that display the characteristics mentioned above might be considered beautiful - and _objectively_ good - if viewed through the eye of a different beholder: one who profits from the money, mouse clicks, etc. brought in by such sites. -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | Growth for the sake of \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | growth is the ideology X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | of the cancer cell. / \ if you read it the right way. | -- Edward Abbey
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Re: The Web (HTML) Sux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-24 12:59 +0000
Re: The Web (HTML) Sux Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-24 19:08 +0000
Re: The Web (HTML) Sux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-24 12:58 +0000
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Re: The Web (HTML) Sux Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-24 19:11 +0000
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Re: The Web (HTML) Sux Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-25 03:49 +0000
Re: The Web (HTML) Sux kouya <kouyaheika@canithesis.org> - 2025-12-24 22:01 -0600
Re: The Web (HTML) Sux Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-25 04:52 +0000
Re: The Web (HTML) Sux kouya <kouyaheika@canithesis.org> - 2025-12-24 23:07 -0600
Re: The Web (HTML) Sux vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2025-12-25 12:33 +0000
Re: The Web (HTML) Sux vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2025-12-25 12:30 +0000
Re: The Web (HTML) Sux Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-26 11:45 +0000
Re: The Web (HTML) Sux Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-29 19:16 +0000
Re: The Web (HTML) Sux Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-29 19:14 +0000
Re: The Web (HTML) Sux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-25 03:30 +0000
Re: The Web (HTML) Sux Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-25 21:05 +0000
Re: The Web (HTML) Sux Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-25 22:11 +0000
Re: The Web (HTML) Sux Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-26 11:55 +0000
Re: The Web (HTML) Sux Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-26 18:12 +0000
Re: The Web (HTML) Sux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-26 18:45 +0000
Re: The Web (HTML) Sux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-26 19:23 +0000
Re: The Web (HTML) Sux Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-26 21:09 +0000
Re: The Web (HTML) Sux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-25 22:38 +0000
Re: The Web (HTML) Sux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-26 07:13 +0000
Re: The Web (HTML) Sux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-26 08:35 +0000
Re: The Web (HTML) Sux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-26 11:50 +0000
Re: The Web (HTML) Sux Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2025-12-26 14:43 +0000
Re: The Web (HTML) Sux not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-12-27 08:29 +1000
Re: The Web (HTML) Sux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-27 04:05 +0000
Re: The Web (HTML) Sux Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-27 09:46 +0000
Re: The Web (HTML) Sux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-27 13:10 +0000
Re: The Web (HTML) Sux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-27 23:35 +0000
Re: The Web (HTML) Sux Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-27 09:58 +0000
Re: The Web (HTML) Sux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-27 23:41 +0000
Re: The Web (HTML) Sux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-27 13:04 +0000
Re: The Web (HTML) Sux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-27 13:04 +0000
Re: The Web (HTML) Sux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-27 23:24 +0000
Re: The Web (HTML) Sux "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-28 14:46 +0100
Re: The Web (HTML) Sux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-29 03:48 +0000
Re: The Web (HTML) Sux Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-26 11:36 +0000
Re: The Web (HTML) Sux John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-12-26 08:42 -0800
Re: The Web (HTML) Sux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-26 19:21 +0000
Re: The Web (HTML) Sux Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-26 21:10 +0000
Re: The Web (HTML) Sux Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-24 11:43 +0000
Re: The Web (HTML) Sux Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-24 11:41 +0000
Re: The Web (HTML) Sux Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-24 11:37 +0000
Re: The Web (HTML) Sux John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-12-26 08:38 -0800
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